You honestly believe putting up a law against photographing air bases will be an obstacle to a 'totalitarian and genocidal' country meaning to 'wipe [you] out' from carrying out their goals? that strikes me as putting a sheet of paper between you and a loaded gun, sorry.
It's only a symbolic gesture, but semiotics are very important to the enemy. The enemy believes that the kaffir harbi (infidels in the house of war) are weak and incognizant of their fate. This will inform then that this is not the case.
Careful with that, plenty of people said that in the US in 2001 and you see where that got them.
Where, exactly? Is anybody being sent to reeducation camps? Are there mutaween religious police breaking down your door because you utterred the wrong prayer according to some Hisbah bill?
All I see is some wine-soaked mediocrats whining about how their flights got delayed because the TSA frisked them.
I understand that you're making the "slippery slope" argument, but I do not believe it has reached that point yet, nor do I believe that this will happen in the forseeable future. There are enough checks and balances in society to prevent that.
Yes, I forgot about them. However, keep in mind that the South Asian situation would be worse if the Islamists were allowed to escalate further. The entire Levant (Israel-West Bank-Lebanon-Syria-Jordan) is smaller than some of India's states.
There are many people who have fought for their freedom and rather died then not to be free.
All of them were typically fighting tyranny or oppression (sometimes only perceived tyranny or oppression). They were not fighting complete, civilizational annihilation. Many of those freedom fighters would change their stance once they perceived an existential threat from their enemy. Marshall Tito, for instance.
There is a difference in degree here. Our very existence is in danger.
So basically you do not like the restrictions that will be forced upon you, so you give up your freedom voluntarily.
I'm willing to sacrifice SOME (not all) freedoms in order to protect and preserve my life, the lives of my family and the very core of our civilization which is in existential danger, yes.
The law does almost nothing to prevent terrorism while throwing innocent people in jail for doing things a free person would normally do.
I don't know about that, but it does send a message to a totalitarian and genocidal enemy (Pakistan) that they will have a tougher time in carrying out their goals.
I'll take some risk with my freedom, thanks.
I'd rather lose some freedoms than die in a nuclear fireball, or live in perpetual misery in the Dhimmitude of an Islamic theocracy. Pakistan means to destroy our country or, failing that, occupy it and subject non-Muslims to the dehumanizing oppression of Dhimmitude (fighting Islamic Jihad is mentioned in their constitution, as well as the motto of their Army).
It's easy for you to pontificate, sitting in a country surrounded by well-wishing allies. Not so for us, being the only democracy surrounded by Islamic theocracies and totalitarian dictatorships who mean to wipe us out (and have already tried to do so once: http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/).
In a free society, that is precisely what it means.
No it does not. Absolute freedom is a pipe dream. A modern society has to have safety measures, particularly in vulnerable regions like aircraft. If there is reasonable cause to suspect some people of carrying out terrorism then they should be detained.
Peer-review isn't always what it's cracked up to be. Read about the Bogdanov controversy that erupted in my uni some years back that exposes some serious flaws in the peer-review process.
Is that a fact? Then why are there so many Keralites desperately fleeing the state and migrating to those filthy capitalist scum-ridden havens like Mumbai and Delhi?
Nice try, but Dalits are as Hindu as any other. In Islamic Pakistan (where Hindus are a persecuted minority) Dalits brave discrimination from Muslim fanatics in order to go pray in temples:
Castes are a form of socio-economic collusion in India since 12th century. Hinduism's caste system is a religious-based system of separating groups and keeping one class (the Brahmins) over everyone else.
Oh really? Then explain how Muslims segregate their "Biradaris" and "Qaums" into "Ashraf" (noble ones) and "Arzal" (degraded ones, also called Dalit Muslims) and how Christians in India also practice against Dalits in Churches, schools and village communities.
Hate crimes do take place against the disadvantaged groups in rural areas from time to time. The difference is that the educated middle class (numbering 300 million people from many walks of life) generally takes a dim view on caste intolerance in the country. I myself am middle class, and the product of an intercaste marriage (mother's family is a "high-caste" Brahmin though poor refugees from East Pakistan, father's family is a Dalit "untouchable" though relatively wealthy) and there never were any problems from anybody. Plus, India outlaws any discrimination against disadvantaged peoples, and has 50% affirmative action in schools, colleges and jobs for all disadvantaged peoples.
Indeed, you are right in every aspect. Malaysia is a lot like Nazi Germany in this respect (compare their racist ideology of "Bumiputera" ie sons of the soil to Nazi Germany's "Blut und Boden" or "blood and soil"; same thing).
I am genuinely concerned about the situation with the Chinese and Indian minorities there. Race riots targeting them seem to be escalating, and Malaysian leaders like Najib Razak openly threatening Chinese Malaysians with genocide and Mahathir Mohamed who said that Indians in Malaysia are "as subversive as Jews" and so forth, Malaysia looks like another Darfur waiting to happen.
[quote] Because that never happened anywhere else. [/quote]
Not on the same scale that it does in Indonesia, no. The atrocities against non-Muslims by the Jemiah Islamiyah (who practically run large parts of Indonesia) are staggering, not to mention that rigid Shariah/Dhimmi Laws are pretty much the norm in significant parts of the country.
It's not as bad as Pakistan or Iran, but getting there fast.
Pakistan is hardly "peaceful" by any means, given the increasing dominance of the Muttahida Majilis-i-Amal and the Jamaat-e-Islami (both vast and powerful Islamist parties), and non-Muslims have been and still are severely persecuted in Pakistan (Sangla hill riots, the 1971 Bangladesh genocide, the forced kidnapping and conversion of Hindu and Christian minorities), as numerous human rights NGO's and various condemnations by the USCIRF have documented exhaustively (in fact, Turkey is markedly better off).
I agree as far as temples and defense staff are concerned, and I believe that the Temple act already allows for some of this. Not so sure about Judges. The judiciary should be selected strictly on the basis of merit, not on ethnic affiliations. Else we will have judges who are biased in favor of their communities.
Otherwise India will disintegrate into 3000+ separate Kingdoms.
That danger is far more likely to be realized by the China-backed Maoists and Pakistan-backed Islamic militants than by legislative wrongdoings.
Not at all. They are center-right, not far-right or far-left. The real "fascists" in India are those like the Congress Party/Communist party combine who engage in forced censorship (google Salman Rushdie, Taslima Nasreen, Ram Swarup), appease militant Islamists for the sake of Muslim votes (google Mohammed Afzal, National Development Front), organize pogroms against poor Hindus and Tibetan Buddhists (google Morichjhanpi massacre, Nanoor massacre, Nandigram massacre), distort/revise our history (like Nazi holocaust deniers in the west) to remove the vast atrocities inflicted on Hindus by Muslims throughout the centuries and intentionally sell our country down the river to people who seek it's destruction (google Naxalites, regarded as India's biggest security threat and heavily funded by Chinese Communists).
If we guess that the hull is 3 cm thick, and the hole is 10 cm in diameter (the hole is effectively a pipe), according to the ancient looking chart I found, the flow rate is 748 liters per second. (This is assuming I'm interpreting this correctly).
Yeah, it look ok. You can also go with a crude order-of-magnitude approximation (which is as accurate as we're ever gonna get for this topic) by assuming streamlined flow and applying Bernoulli's law ( http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/BernoullisLaw.html so the hull thickness isn't directly relevant), with P at about 100 kilopascals, and the density of air at about 1.2 kg/m3, the velocity of air escaping is about 400 m/s, times pi*r^2 gives about 1.147 m^3/s or around 1147 liters/s. Given that there will be a helluva lot of turbulence and nonlinear transport effects due to the nitrogen in the air freezing into microscopic icicles as it nears the cold vacuum of space, the actual speed will be less than that but at the same order of magnitude, so 748 l/s sounds about right.
Yes I agree. I would even go as far as to say that Bastille day in France was when Western civilization, as we understand and appreciate it today, was born.
Given that Malaysia practices the most cruel and frightening kind of racial discrimination against Chinese and Indian minorities in all of South-East Asia, with their Nazi-like (and I'm not Godwinning here) racist ideologies of Ketuanan Melayu (Malay Supremacy) and Bumiputra (meaning "sons of the soil, which literally resembles Nazi Germany's "Blut und Boden" or "Blood and Soil") and engages in state sponsored discrimination against Indians and Chinese, I would imagine that some kind of aggressive change is long pending. That or remove the minorities from the country before the Malay racists conduct genocide on them all (which is their eventual intent). I;ve spoken to many overseas Chinese and Indians in he country, and most are literally afraid for their lives. Parts of Kuala Lumpur look like Russian Shtetls, or the Warsaw Ghettoes of WW-II, with violent, Malay mob-imposed racial segregation, discrimination and stigmatization.
Notice how the racist GP stigmatizes, demonizes and dehumanizes Chinese and Indian minorities as "not tied to identity", just like the Nazis stigmatized Jews as "alien non-Aryans and unbound to the blood and soil of Germany", or whatever.
Numerous international NGO's have detailed files on the massive levels of Jim Crow-style racial stigmatization of minorities that takes place across Malay society, their media, their government, all their major institutions, and the like.
Malaysia is a massive genocide waiting to happen, unless some kind of change isn't implemented NOW, preferably through international condemnations and sanctions of some kind.
That's okay. I expected a militant extremist response like the one the AC spewed out notice his use of ad hominem attack instead of argument, proving that I touched a real raw nerve of truth there. That's leftists for you. When they can;t respond intelligently, they respond by fascistic tactics.
Constructive criticism, even if it is strident polemic, is fine and even worth aggressively defending by those who value true liberty.
What passes for "criticism" on slashdot, however, is not criticism in the political sense of the word, but knee-jerk Hesperophobia and anti-Americanism, and is grossly disproportionate on many levels. America, for all it's woes, is not as oppressive or repressive as Malaysia, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Balkan Countries, the Maghreb, or any other third world disaster area, nor will it ever be.
All this so-called "critiism" is largely the result of far-left "postmodernism" and "multicuturalism" in some sections of American society that is deeply disturbing. Both postmodernism and multiculturalism are Orwellian bullshit of the highest order, and are a third-world-leftist strategy to undermine the values and principles that define American society and the American Nation (which still gives refuge and succor to millions of immigrants like myself fleeing the third world paradises of the left).
The situation in Malaysia is truly dire, thanks to the institutional racism against overseas Chinese and Indian communities (based on their state ideology of "Ketuanan Melayu" ie Malay Supremacy and "Bumiputra" ie sons of the soil, similar to the "Blut und Boden" ie "Blood and soil" ideology of Nazi Germany), the de-facto Islamofascist theocracy, widespread corruption and a violent, genocidal collective attitude that makes all their neighbors uneasy.
I know more muslims than you do, and while some have kept their religion to themselves, many many others have (either openly or implicitly) declared their desire to kill me and then revise history to make it like they didn't.
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You honestly believe putting up a law against photographing air bases will be an obstacle to a 'totalitarian and genocidal' country meaning to 'wipe [you] out' from carrying out their goals? that strikes me as putting a sheet of paper between you and a loaded gun, sorry.
It's only a symbolic gesture, but semiotics are very important to the enemy. The enemy believes that the kaffir harbi (infidels in the house of war) are weak and incognizant of their fate. This will inform then that this is not the case.
Careful with that, plenty of people said that in the US in 2001 and you see where that got them.
Where, exactly? Is anybody being sent to reeducation camps? Are there mutaween religious police breaking down your door because you utterred the wrong prayer according to some Hisbah bill?
All I see is some wine-soaked mediocrats whining about how their flights got delayed because the TSA frisked them.
I understand that you're making the "slippery slope" argument, but I do not believe it has reached that point yet, nor do I believe that this will happen in the forseeable future. There are enough checks and balances in society to prevent that.
Yes, I forgot about them. However, keep in mind that the South Asian situation would be worse if the Islamists were allowed to escalate further. The entire Levant (Israel-West Bank-Lebanon-Syria-Jordan) is smaller than some of India's states.
There are many people who have fought for their freedom and rather died then not to be free.
All of them were typically fighting tyranny or oppression (sometimes only perceived tyranny or oppression). They were not fighting complete, civilizational annihilation. Many of those freedom fighters would change their stance once they perceived an existential threat from their enemy. Marshall Tito, for instance.
There is a difference in degree here. Our very existence is in danger.
So basically you do not like the restrictions that will be forced upon you, so you give up your freedom voluntarily.
I'm willing to sacrifice SOME (not all) freedoms in order to protect and preserve my life, the lives of my family and the very core of our civilization which is in existential danger, yes.
I doubt he was sitting safely surrounded by well-wishing allies.
He was not surrounded by enemies who wanted to wipe out his people off the face of the earth completely, no.
And 18th century Britishers did not have access to nuclear weapons. Pakistani Islamists do
.
The law does almost nothing to prevent terrorism while throwing innocent people in jail for doing things a free person would normally do.
I don't know about that, but it does send a message to a totalitarian and genocidal enemy (Pakistan) that they will have a tougher time in carrying out their goals.
I'll take some risk with my freedom, thanks.
I'd rather lose some freedoms than die in a nuclear fireball, or live in perpetual misery in the Dhimmitude of an Islamic theocracy. Pakistan means to destroy our country or, failing that, occupy it and subject non-Muslims to the dehumanizing oppression of Dhimmitude (fighting Islamic Jihad is mentioned in their constitution, as well as the motto of their Army).
It's easy for you to pontificate, sitting in a country surrounded by well-wishing allies. Not so for us, being the only democracy surrounded by Islamic theocracies and totalitarian dictatorships who mean to wipe us out (and have already tried to do so once: http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/).
In a free society, that is precisely what it means.
No it does not. Absolute freedom is a pipe dream. A modern society has to have safety measures, particularly in vulnerable regions like aircraft. If there is reasonable cause to suspect some people of carrying out terrorism then they should be detained.
Peer-review isn't always what it's cracked up to be. Read about the Bogdanov controversy that erupted in my uni some years back that exposes some serious flaws in the peer-review process.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdanov_Affair
Is that a fact? Then why are there so many Keralites desperately fleeing the state and migrating to those filthy capitalist scum-ridden havens like Mumbai and Delhi?
Nice try, but Dalits are as Hindu as any other. In Islamic Pakistan (where Hindus are a persecuted minority) Dalits brave discrimination from Muslim fanatics in order to go pray in temples:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7667850.stm
Castes are a form of socio-economic collusion in India since 12th century. Hinduism's caste system is a religious-based system of separating groups and keeping one class (the Brahmins) over everyone else.
Oh really? Then explain how Muslims segregate their "Biradaris" and "Qaums" into "Ashraf" (noble ones) and "Arzal" (degraded ones, also called Dalit Muslims) and how Christians in India also practice against Dalits in Churches, schools and village communities.
A Dalit would never be allowed to marry into one of the higher castes and would never be accepted as an equal
My father was, and he's as Dalit as they come. Over 25% of India's Chief Ministers of state are Dalits. Try harder, Osama.
You've been reading Pakistani propaganda a bit too much I think...
Hate crimes do take place against the disadvantaged groups in rural areas from time to time. The difference is that the educated middle class (numbering 300 million people from many walks of life) generally takes a dim view on caste intolerance in the country. I myself am middle class, and the product of an intercaste marriage (mother's family is a "high-caste" Brahmin though poor refugees from East Pakistan, father's family is a Dalit "untouchable" though relatively wealthy) and there never were any problems from anybody. Plus, India outlaws any discrimination against disadvantaged peoples, and has 50% affirmative action in schools, colleges and jobs for all disadvantaged peoples.
Indeed, you are right in every aspect. Malaysia is a lot like Nazi Germany in this respect (compare their racist ideology of "Bumiputera" ie sons of the soil to Nazi Germany's "Blut und Boden" or "blood and soil"; same thing).
I am genuinely concerned about the situation with the Chinese and Indian minorities there. Race riots targeting them seem to be escalating, and Malaysian leaders like Najib Razak openly threatening Chinese Malaysians with genocide and Mahathir Mohamed who said that Indians in Malaysia are "as subversive as Jews" and so forth, Malaysia looks like another Darfur waiting to happen.
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Because that never happened anywhere else.
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Not on the same scale that it does in Indonesia, no. The atrocities against non-Muslims by the Jemiah Islamiyah (who practically run large parts of Indonesia) are staggering, not to mention that rigid Shariah/Dhimmi Laws are pretty much the norm in significant parts of the country.
It's not as bad as Pakistan or Iran, but getting there fast.
Pakistan is hardly "peaceful" by any means, given the increasing dominance of the Muttahida Majilis-i-Amal and the Jamaat-e-Islami (both vast and powerful Islamist parties), and non-Muslims have been and still are severely persecuted in Pakistan (Sangla hill riots, the 1971 Bangladesh genocide, the forced kidnapping and conversion of Hindu and Christian minorities), as numerous human rights NGO's and various condemnations by the USCIRF have documented exhaustively (in fact, Turkey is markedly better off).
I agree as far as temples and defense staff are concerned, and I believe that the Temple act already allows for some of this. Not so sure about Judges. The judiciary should be selected strictly on the basis of merit, not on ethnic affiliations. Else we will have judges who are biased in favor of their communities.
Otherwise India will disintegrate into 3000+ separate Kingdoms.
That danger is far more likely to be realized by the China-backed Maoists and Pakistan-backed Islamic militants than by legislative wrongdoings.
BJP is a fascist party
Not at all. They are center-right, not far-right or far-left. The real "fascists" in India are those like the Congress Party/Communist party combine who engage in forced censorship (google Salman Rushdie, Taslima Nasreen, Ram Swarup), appease militant Islamists for the sake of Muslim votes (google Mohammed Afzal, National Development Front), organize pogroms against poor Hindus and Tibetan Buddhists (google Morichjhanpi massacre, Nanoor massacre, Nandigram massacre), distort/revise our history (like Nazi holocaust deniers in the west) to remove the vast atrocities inflicted on Hindus by Muslims throughout the centuries and intentionally sell our country down the river to people who seek it's destruction (google Naxalites, regarded as India's biggest security threat and heavily funded by Chinese Communists).
If we guess that the hull is 3 cm thick, and the hole is 10 cm in diameter (the hole is effectively a pipe), according to the ancient looking chart I found, the flow rate is 748 liters per second. (This is assuming I'm interpreting this correctly).
Yeah, it look ok. You can also go with a crude order-of-magnitude approximation (which is as accurate as we're ever gonna get for this topic) by assuming streamlined flow and applying Bernoulli's law ( http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/BernoullisLaw.html so the hull thickness isn't directly relevant), with P at about 100 kilopascals, and the density of air at about 1.2 kg/m3, the velocity of air escaping is about 400 m/s, times pi*r^2 gives about 1.147 m^3/s or around 1147 liters/s. Given that there will be a helluva lot of turbulence and nonlinear transport effects due to the nitrogen in the air freezing into microscopic icicles as it nears the cold vacuum of space, the actual speed will be less than that but at the same order of magnitude, so 748 l/s sounds about right.
Yes I agree. I would even go as far as to say that Bastille day in France was when Western civilization, as we understand and appreciate it today, was born.
Given that Malaysia practices the most cruel and frightening kind of racial discrimination against Chinese and Indian minorities in all of South-East Asia, with their Nazi-like (and I'm not Godwinning here) racist ideologies of Ketuanan Melayu (Malay Supremacy) and Bumiputra (meaning "sons of the soil, which literally resembles Nazi Germany's "Blut und Boden" or "Blood and Soil") and engages in state sponsored discrimination against Indians and Chinese, I would imagine that some kind of aggressive change is long pending. That or remove the minorities from the country before the Malay racists conduct genocide on them all (which is their eventual intent). I;ve spoken to many overseas Chinese and Indians in he country, and most are literally afraid for their lives. Parts of Kuala Lumpur look like Russian Shtetls, or the Warsaw Ghettoes of WW-II, with violent, Malay mob-imposed racial segregation, discrimination and stigmatization.
Notice how the racist GP stigmatizes, demonizes and dehumanizes Chinese and Indian minorities as "not tied to identity", just like the Nazis stigmatized Jews as "alien non-Aryans and unbound to the blood and soil of Germany", or whatever.
Numerous international NGO's have detailed files on the massive levels of Jim Crow-style racial stigmatization of minorities that takes place across Malay society, their media, their government, all their major institutions, and the like.
Malaysia is a massive genocide waiting to happen, unless some kind of change isn't implemented NOW, preferably through international condemnations and sanctions of some kind.
That's okay. I expected a militant extremist response like the one the AC spewed out notice his use of ad hominem attack instead of argument, proving that I touched a real raw nerve of truth there. That's leftists for you. When they can;t respond intelligently, they respond by fascistic tactics.
Constructive criticism, even if it is strident polemic, is fine and even worth aggressively defending by those who value true liberty.
What passes for "criticism" on slashdot, however, is not criticism in the political sense of the word, but knee-jerk Hesperophobia and anti-Americanism, and is grossly disproportionate on many levels. America, for all it's woes, is not as oppressive or repressive as Malaysia, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Balkan Countries, the Maghreb, or any other third world disaster area, nor will it ever be.
All this so-called "critiism" is largely the result of far-left "postmodernism" and "multicuturalism" in some sections of American society that is deeply disturbing. Both postmodernism and multiculturalism are Orwellian bullshit of the highest order, and are a third-world-leftist strategy to undermine the values and principles that define American society and the American Nation (which still gives refuge and succor to millions of immigrants like myself fleeing the third world paradises of the left).
The situation in Malaysia is truly dire, thanks to the institutional racism against overseas Chinese and Indian communities (based on their state ideology of "Ketuanan Melayu" ie Malay Supremacy and "Bumiputra" ie sons of the soil, similar to the "Blut und Boden" ie "Blood and soil" ideology of Nazi Germany), the de-facto Islamofascist theocracy, widespread corruption and a violent, genocidal collective attitude that makes all their neighbors uneasy.
I know more muslims than you do, and while some have kept their religion to themselves, many many others have (either openly or implicitly) declared their desire to kill me and then revise history to make it like they didn't.
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And at least with them you're free to leave and not totally brainwashed.
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Tell that to Abdul Rahman of Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_(convert)
Arguably, I'd say Hamas, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, Jamaat-e-Islami and others are pretty brainwashed (belief in antisemitic conspiracies etc.).