Here's what the little mouse in Steve's huge fat bald screaming head must be dreaming up:
The world will no longer need to advertise on the best search engine ever. Businesses won't pay to be listed in a geographical way with satelite imagery attached. People won't use a fluid, streamlined interface. INSTEAD, they will use WINDOWS XP and INTERNET EXPLORER and SOON LONGHORN and INTERNET EXPLORER 7 because these are GREAT products.
And then he wakes up in the middle of the night, his mouse too tired to run that little wheel, and he goes to the bathroom, looks in the mirror and screams at himself: I LOVE YOU GOOGLE, I LOVE YOU BIG BROTHER.
Note to Mr. Ballmer: Google has vision and beauty the likes of which you would never understand, so give the little mouse a rest.
Ok, so check out what's going to happen. A dude is going to chop off like 20 people's hands and toss them down laundry chutes, catapult them over fences, attach them to radio controlled cars, etc. just to simulate as if these people are escaping. Then he/she is going to escape quietly via some other route when the guards are all chasing hands. Or am I crazy?
You make excellent points. However, what part of firefox's user interface needs polish? How is it that people say Opera is faster than firefox? I'd say maybe that's true if you cram firefox with plugins. I'm a simplist and use it as is, with no plugins and it's the best most reliable and awesome piece of code on my machine (besides stuff I write, of course).
Here's settling the mouse gestures thing once and for all. I can navigate faster and with less hand exhaustion by typing and using shortcuts than anybody will ever be able to via mouse gestures.
I also like debugging my web pages the old fashioned way, that's right, change code and Ctrl+F5 to refresh cache reload page. I think firefox is the way to go for 90% of daily activity. I keep Opera, Netscape, and IE around just for that 10% like browsing sharepoint sites. All in all, simplicity = better browser since HTML is supposed to be simple.
I'm reading through this review, and I'm like... hm, that's kind of cool... yeah, more of the same there... more of the same... slow processor... etc.
And then it hits me like two and a half bricks. Don't you think Apple is working on something like this? Take the 20GB iPod, awesome touch wheel and everything, make Mac OS X Mobile and add a few other PDA things, it wouldn't be much bigger than this beast and it would be like: Thanks for playing iPaq and PalmOne, good game, good bye.
ok, here's what we do if this goes into effect.
We make a fake email account. Then we go and sign up on every spam ridden and diseased site we can possibly think of, drugs, penile and breast enhancements, the works. Then we write a program to automatically submit "This SPAM was a waste of my time, I want my money" requests to the spammers. The more spam you get, the richer you get. After you set up a healthy inflow of spam, you're set for life.
unplugging the internet, I don't think they can do any real damage to anything. I personally believe that it's only a matter of time until something gets set up to put the consumer in better contact with the artists and cut out things like the MPAA and RIAA. MiddleMan ~ 1/Technology
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You know, I totally agree. The promised "funny"-ness of the videos also left to be desired. For example, I watched the videos while at work and I didn't laugh once. However, listening to a sound bite from Cadyshack (specifically when the groundskeeper tells Bill Murray to kill all the golfers) made me blow chunks of candy shell and chocolate along with water on my laptop screen in the middle of a serious database discussion.
Now, more to your point sir, I think these would be more informative:
Show a split screen: Internet Explorer on the Right and Firefox on the left. pan back to show the users: A grandma on the left and a geeky bill gates look-alike on the right. Put a big word on the screen (like volcano) and a countdown 3... 2... 1... GO! Then the grandma and the geek start browsing the web for volcanos using their respective browsers. Show how easily Control Click and tab navigation coupled with the smooth popup blocker and the search engine at the top right lead to results. Also show how the internet explorer user is stuck in a sea of popups and gets malware installed on his computer so it runs slower and has to go to the task bar to navigate through all the pages he's opened and keeps having to install search bar helpers or go to different websites to search for everything. Grandma wins, and a firefox pounces in between them and puts her hand up boxing style. Now that's entertainment.
Dude, I went to cornell and the robot's reproduction is way too asexual to have ever been programmed by the horny little cs majors and mech-ees that roam the halls of Upson.
1.) See Roman empire for downfall.
2.) Hackers are going to know everything about you by walking past you. They can even cut your finger off and use your precious Biometric security enabled device because they'll know your 16-digit password is your social security number plus your last name and birthday, Mr. Smith.
3.) You don't need an ID to take off with a plane from Canada and smash it into whatever the expletive you want.
In other news, Apple turns right back around and sues the actual Tiger animal (panthera tigris). Apple is claiming that the animal misled them to name their product after something occuring in nature and did not notify them that twenty million other companies out there have used the name Tiger to suggest a powerful sleek product.
In other shocking news, joining in TigerDirect's "Lawsuit" is a conglomeration of six hundred thousand Chinese Restaurants who also feel wronged by Apple's use of the word Tiger.
To only add to the confusion, the actual Apple fruit (malus pumila) is suing Apple for their misleading representation that the Apple fruit is always bitten out of.
*&#@^( you! you crazy, money hungry, insane, can't do business bastards who sue for stupid ass reasons.
This is unnerving, everyone missed my point. With emphasis, I would like to reiterate:
"lowering the transaction costs by cutting out and slimming down the middle-man is only smart business."
That's exactly what OpenSource needs to address in order to be accepted into mainstream. If adopting OpenSource software is going to make people lose their jobs, why THE HELL WOULD YOU DO THAT?
ok, that's fine, so show me examples of open source projects making money. That was my question to begin with. All people have done is negate my statements without any counterexamples. The one person said less money paid on licenses may mean more in-house IT jobs. Got any more ideas like that?
While I respect Open Source I think it has yet to come up with a respectable way of making money. Someone else said this country is about innovation. It's not. It's about making money. Maybe innovation is one of the ways to get us there. However, lets consider. Microsoft has enough cash to pay its employees for over three years without bringing in any income. Debian has 40,000 dollars.
You can offer people free Word-compatible products that have no bugs or memory leaks and "find-as-you-type" functionality all you want, but unless you figure out a way to rake in the big bucks, you'll have a hard time convincing someone to go that route. Now, I personally have a few ways to make money with open standards and open software but I'm not about to divulge them on Slashdot! However, I'd like to hear your ideas : )
"Not only do many of us work in the IT field and have to deal with all this poorly written software"
I agree. I personally love the extensibility, power, freedom, and dare I say beauty of open source software. I am a proud Firefox / Thunderbird / OpenOffice / Ubuntu user in the midst of a Microsoft shop.
However, Especially for those of us in the IT field, that "poorly written software" is crucial to our existence. Microsoft doesn't only make money for itself. It makes money for all the IT staffs of all the companies that use Microsoft products and for all the consultants that come in to help those IT staffs. If you count how many people that is, I'm sure you'll see that much depends on Microsoft, glistening in green cash and poor software as it is.
I love what you said in the end, and if I had my way, I would make the world like that. The question is, how would all the people I mentioned make money if everyone used open standards and interoperable products?
That's an awesome point, I wish I could mod you up. However, Bin Laden is a coward and he would never let himself die. The other thing is, if that guy is actually silly enough to turn Bin Laden in, wouldn't we know who he is and just renig on our 20 billion and say screw you, you bombed our country?
it would have cost us less to take all the threats in the world seriously than to incur the losses resulting from the 9/11 attacks. Think about it:
- emotional damage for the country (not to be understimated, this is very much a country by the people)
- monetary damage (count the airline fiasco and the 200 some billion dollars spent on Iraq with it, because 9/11 was used as an excuse to go there)
- Bush is still in the white house... irreparable
While on the subject, why pay 200 some billion dollars to go through Iraq "supposedly" to stop Bin Laden? Why not just offer a 20 billion dollar reward for Bin Laden? A lot less U.S. soldiers dead, and shit, for that money, I'd go after him.
I waited a while to avoid the slashdot traffic, got my copy and got up and running. First page I went to was the MSDN KnowledgeBase which Opera had problems with. To my delight, they fixed it : )
Opera is now snappier and ineed more lightweight than it used to be.
So I go to post my happy findings to/. and I press Ctrl + T to get a new tab. Lo and Behold, the Add a new bookmark comes up. Not cool.
I'm posting this from Firefox and have realized one very important thing: I'm in love with the cute little fox and it's Ctrl+T, Ctrl+TAB, Ctrl+W, Ctrl+Click interface. However, way to go Opera, you have now become a browser that I do not dislike.
Quickly, before it's too late and before everyone else reads/.
Seriously, I don't care what you're selling, I'm not buying it. On principle alone. Firefox is free. If I want a feature, I'll code it up myself. I'm sure your product is nice but it's like selling ice to an eskimo.
Ok, now I know it's not my good looks, so I have a relevant experience to share. I used to be a huge geek, and I still am in many ways.
You say that "you won't have anywhere near the success as someone half as smart that thinks they're twice as smart and can kick a ball". I say you're dead wrong.
It's important to be able to kick a ball and be in good physical shape. But you don't have to have a gift from God to dunk on no 12 foot tall rim or get a free kick in from 30 meters.
I'm good at chess, more precisely speed chess. And I don't care what woman it is, I can make her laugh with my trash talking and I can make her interested in the game just by smiling and showing her that I love it. Long story short, if you love anything, a woman will see that in you and respect it (men will too).
Also, allow me to reiterate, comments such as "A confident male can get into the pants of a woman fairly easily" are slightly ignorant of the fact that this is not the case anymore seeing as how women are actually people and they also make money and don't Need men to protect them any longer. It's a crazy world out there, but you'll be all right if you smile once in a while... and mean it.
lol, ok, but I was talking about "girls" not women.
To completely defeat your point: how would women know if someone has "the best chances of reproduction"? What if some millionaire is sterile? How's he going to reproduce? Why is it that poor people have more kids than rich people? And on another note, women are people you know. They also make money.
To your other point. Research mathematics and "high energy physics" are not marketable, eh? This country spends more money on their military than the next 15 nations Combined dude. What do you think it takes to research weapons? An MBA?
Also, this country's GDP is 11 Trillion per year. That's a third of the world's. Do you think perhaps the companies that generate this GDP do it using an abacus and pencil and paper? No dude, they do it using computers. Any programmer or intellectual for that matter who can use a computer and put together a few sentences is extremely marketable in this country. And, from personal experience, most women do actually love that : )
heh, how did Romania get dragged into this?
I'm from Romania and I can relate my personal experience. I was given my first computer when I was 4 and have been programming and building hardware ever since. I work in America now, I went to Cornell (oooh, fancy) and I am a consultant.
What people said about the school system in Russia is true about Romania as well. You were bombarded with information and were constantly competing for the top spots in the class. Intelectuals were very cool and the girls were attracted to you if you were smart. For example, chess and math was a way to get girls (imagine my shock when I came to the U.S.). There were jocks too, and girls liked them as well, but my point is Intelectuals were respected and encouraged. And by the way, in response to an earlier post, "olympics" are actually "olympiads" and you have them all over the world silly, such as the mathematics olympiad which the Bulgarians just won, I believe.
This might help make good programmers and hackers, but also as other people said the "best in the world" claims are ridiculous. Best at what? And since when do countries compete against each other at hacking?
That being said, one of the most amazing guys I've ever seen is Romanian. I saw this dude stomping out viruses realtime in DOS using the debug program. He works for Microsoft now.
In Soviet Russia... Microsoft hacks you!
I love the first half of the thread. It basically says, Windows users are not as stupid as to go:
"wow, this Open Source software is really good, in reaction to my new finding I will now turn my back to the Open Source community and continue to buy expensive Microsoft products"
In case people don't realize, Microsoft doesn't really make that much money from the average consumer at home who has to buy their own software. They make money from the coorporations that buy tens of thousands of licenses to every minutely new version of Office because Microsoft has the marketing down SOLID.
People at home will always love new things like OpenOffice and Firefox if these are done well and marketted a little bit better. My favorite is Firefox. They really botched the job with the 1.0 release (pauses as entire/. community throws bricks). Well, is it just me or do the Flash and other incorporated plugins slow down the main browser (like UI elements and find as you type). However, it was marketted well and word of mouth was affectionate, even passionate.
And this makes my point. What coorporations are using Firefox as a standard browser? Does Firefox provide a front end for Excel or a drag and drop interface for Outlook? Of course not, and we don't want it to. But until some product offers an alternative way to do some of these things, IE will never be dislodged.
Therefore, to even stand a CHANCE at taking some market share away from Microsoft, Open Source development must push as far as possible into the Windows domain giving more and more people options and choices and in the end, the freedom and ease of switching to any OS they want. Why must they do this? Because Bill Gates did it (in a slightly more evil closed way) and he's the richest man on the planet so it must be right.
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Silly Ballmer, propaganda fears are for kids.
Here's what the little mouse in Steve's huge fat bald screaming head must be dreaming up:
The world will no longer need to advertise on the best search engine ever. Businesses won't pay to be listed in a geographical way with satelite imagery attached. People won't use a fluid, streamlined interface. INSTEAD, they will use WINDOWS XP and INTERNET EXPLORER and SOON LONGHORN and INTERNET EXPLORER 7 because these are GREAT products.
And then he wakes up in the middle of the night, his mouse too tired to run that little wheel, and he goes to the bathroom, looks in the mirror and screams at himself: I LOVE YOU GOOGLE, I LOVE YOU BIG BROTHER.
Note to Mr. Ballmer: Google has vision and beauty the likes of which you would never understand, so give the little mouse a rest.
Ok, so check out what's going to happen. A dude is going to chop off like 20 people's hands and toss them down laundry chutes, catapult them over fences, attach them to radio controlled cars, etc. just to simulate as if these people are escaping. Then he/she is going to escape quietly via some other route when the guards are all chasing hands. Or am I crazy?
You make excellent points. However, what part of firefox's user interface needs polish? How is it that people say Opera is faster than firefox? I'd say maybe that's true if you cram firefox with plugins. I'm a simplist and use it as is, with no plugins and it's the best most reliable and awesome piece of code on my machine (besides stuff I write, of course).
Here's settling the mouse gestures thing once and for all. I can navigate faster and with less hand exhaustion by typing and using shortcuts than anybody will ever be able to via mouse gestures.
I also like debugging my web pages the old fashioned way, that's right, change code and Ctrl+F5 to refresh cache reload page. I think firefox is the way to go for 90% of daily activity. I keep Opera, Netscape, and IE around just for that 10% like browsing sharepoint sites. All in all, simplicity = better browser since HTML is supposed to be simple.
I'm reading through this review, and I'm like... hm, that's kind of cool... yeah, more of the same there... more of the same... slow processor... etc. And then it hits me like two and a half bricks. Don't you think Apple is working on something like this? Take the 20GB iPod, awesome touch wheel and everything, make Mac OS X Mobile and add a few other PDA things, it wouldn't be much bigger than this beast and it would be like: Thanks for playing iPaq and PalmOne, good game, good bye.
ok, here's what we do if this goes into effect. We make a fake email account. Then we go and sign up on every spam ridden and diseased site we can possibly think of, drugs, penile and breast enhancements, the works. Then we write a program to automatically submit "This SPAM was a waste of my time, I want my money" requests to the spammers. The more spam you get, the richer you get. After you set up a healthy inflow of spam, you're set for life.
unplugging the internet, I don't think they can do any real damage to anything. I personally believe that it's only a matter of time until something gets set up to put the consumer in better contact with the artists and cut out things like the MPAA and RIAA. MiddleMan ~ 1/Technology
You know, I totally agree. The promised "funny"-ness of the videos also left to be desired. For example, I watched the videos while at work and I didn't laugh once. However, listening to a sound bite from Cadyshack (specifically when the groundskeeper tells Bill Murray to kill all the golfers) made me blow chunks of candy shell and chocolate along with water on my laptop screen in the middle of a serious database discussion.
Now, more to your point sir, I think these would be more informative:
Show a split screen: Internet Explorer on the Right and Firefox on the left. pan back to show the users: A grandma on the left and a geeky bill gates look-alike on the right. Put a big word on the screen (like volcano) and a countdown 3... 2... 1... GO! Then the grandma and the geek start browsing the web for volcanos using their respective browsers. Show how easily Control Click and tab navigation coupled with the smooth popup blocker and the search engine at the top right lead to results. Also show how the internet explorer user is stuck in a sea of popups and gets malware installed on his computer so it runs slower and has to go to the task bar to navigate through all the pages he's opened and keeps having to install search bar helpers or go to different websites to search for everything. Grandma wins, and a firefox pounces in between them and puts her hand up boxing style. Now that's entertainment.
Dude, I went to cornell and the robot's reproduction is way too asexual to have ever been programmed by the horny little cs majors and mech-ees that roam the halls of Upson.
what is so bad?
1.) See Roman empire for downfall.
2.) Hackers are going to know everything about you by walking past you. They can even cut your finger off and use your precious Biometric security enabled device because they'll know your 16-digit password is your social security number plus your last name and birthday, Mr. Smith.
3.) You don't need an ID to take off with a plane from Canada and smash it into whatever the expletive you want.
You're right... the rovers could have sex and in time hope to breed a mighty race of rovers which could then pull out the one that's stuck.
I'm imagining that the other rover is pretty far away and wouldn't get there for a year or so.
But hey, what's everyone all pesimistic about... as you point out, you do have two rovers, why not use the other one? The MISSION CONTINUES!
In other news, Apple turns right back around and sues the actual Tiger animal (panthera tigris). Apple is claiming that the animal misled them to name their product after something occuring in nature and did not notify them that twenty million other companies out there have used the name Tiger to suggest a powerful sleek product.
In other shocking news, joining in TigerDirect's "Lawsuit" is a conglomeration of six hundred thousand Chinese Restaurants who also feel wronged by Apple's use of the word Tiger.
To only add to the confusion, the actual Apple fruit (malus pumila) is suing Apple for their misleading representation that the Apple fruit is always bitten out of.
*&#@^( you! you crazy, money hungry, insane, can't do business bastards who sue for stupid ass reasons.
This is unnerving, everyone missed my point. With emphasis, I would like to reiterate:
"lowering the transaction costs by cutting out and slimming down the middle-man is only smart business."
That's exactly what OpenSource needs to address in order to be accepted into mainstream. If adopting OpenSource software is going to make people lose their jobs, why THE HELL WOULD YOU DO THAT?
ok, that's fine, so show me examples of open source projects making money. That was my question to begin with. All people have done is negate my statements without any counterexamples. The one person said less money paid on licenses may mean more in-house IT jobs. Got any more ideas like that?
"they're not out to make money." Thank you for precisely proving my point.
While I respect Open Source I think it has yet to come up with a respectable way of making money. Someone else said this country is about innovation. It's not. It's about making money. Maybe innovation is one of the ways to get us there. However, lets consider. Microsoft has enough cash to pay its employees for over three years without bringing in any income. Debian has 40,000 dollars. You can offer people free Word-compatible products that have no bugs or memory leaks and "find-as-you-type" functionality all you want, but unless you figure out a way to rake in the big bucks, you'll have a hard time convincing someone to go that route. Now, I personally have a few ways to make money with open standards and open software but I'm not about to divulge them on Slashdot! However, I'd like to hear your ideas : )
"Not only do many of us work in the IT field and have to deal with all this poorly written software"
I agree. I personally love the extensibility, power, freedom, and dare I say beauty of open source software. I am a proud Firefox / Thunderbird / OpenOffice / Ubuntu user in the midst of a Microsoft shop.
However, Especially for those of us in the IT field, that "poorly written software" is crucial to our existence. Microsoft doesn't only make money for itself. It makes money for all the IT staffs of all the companies that use Microsoft products and for all the consultants that come in to help those IT staffs. If you count how many people that is, I'm sure you'll see that much depends on Microsoft, glistening in green cash and poor software as it is.
I love what you said in the end, and if I had my way, I would make the world like that. The question is, how would all the people I mentioned make money if everyone used open standards and interoperable products?
That's an awesome point, I wish I could mod you up. However, Bin Laden is a coward and he would never let himself die. The other thing is, if that guy is actually silly enough to turn Bin Laden in, wouldn't we know who he is and just renig on our 20 billion and say screw you, you bombed our country?
it would have cost us less to take all the threats in the world seriously than to incur the losses resulting from the 9/11 attacks. Think about it:
- emotional damage for the country (not to be understimated, this is very much a country by the people)
- monetary damage (count the airline fiasco and the 200 some billion dollars spent on Iraq with it, because 9/11 was used as an excuse to go there)
- Bush is still in the white house... irreparable
While on the subject, why pay 200 some billion dollars to go through Iraq "supposedly" to stop Bin Laden? Why not just offer a 20 billion dollar reward for Bin Laden? A lot less U.S. soldiers dead, and shit, for that money, I'd go after him.
I waited a while to avoid the slashdot traffic, got my copy and got up and running. First page I went to was the MSDN KnowledgeBase which Opera had problems with. To my delight, they fixed it : )
/. and I press Ctrl + T to get a new tab. Lo and Behold, the Add a new bookmark comes up. Not cool.
Opera is now snappier and ineed more lightweight than it used to be.
So I go to post my happy findings to
I'm posting this from Firefox and have realized one very important thing: I'm in love with the cute little fox and it's Ctrl+T, Ctrl+TAB, Ctrl+W, Ctrl+Click interface. However, way to go Opera, you have now become a browser that I do not dislike.
Quickly, before it's too late and before everyone else reads /.
Seriously, I don't care what you're selling, I'm not buying it. On principle alone. Firefox is free. If I want a feature, I'll code it up myself. I'm sure your product is nice but it's like selling ice to an eskimo.
Ok, now I know it's not my good looks, so I have a relevant experience to share. I used to be a huge geek, and I still am in many ways.
You say that "you won't have anywhere near the success as someone half as smart that thinks they're twice as smart and can kick a ball". I say you're dead wrong.
It's important to be able to kick a ball and be in good physical shape. But you don't have to have a gift from God to dunk on no 12 foot tall rim or get a free kick in from 30 meters.
I'm good at chess, more precisely speed chess. And I don't care what woman it is, I can make her laugh with my trash talking and I can make her interested in the game just by smiling and showing her that I love it. Long story short, if you love anything, a woman will see that in you and respect it (men will too).
Also, allow me to reiterate, comments such as "A confident male can get into the pants of a woman fairly easily" are slightly ignorant of the fact that this is not the case anymore seeing as how women are actually people and they also make money and don't Need men to protect them any longer. It's a crazy world out there, but you'll be all right if you smile once in a while... and mean it.
lol, ok, but I was talking about "girls" not women.
To completely defeat your point: how would women know if someone has "the best chances of reproduction"? What if some millionaire is sterile? How's he going to reproduce? Why is it that poor people have more kids than rich people? And on another note, women are people you know. They also make money.
To your other point. Research mathematics and "high energy physics" are not marketable, eh? This country spends more money on their military than the next 15 nations Combined dude. What do you think it takes to research weapons? An MBA?
Also, this country's GDP is 11 Trillion per year. That's a third of the world's. Do you think perhaps the companies that generate this GDP do it using an abacus and pencil and paper? No dude, they do it using computers. Any programmer or intellectual for that matter who can use a computer and put together a few sentences is extremely marketable in this country. And, from personal experience, most women do actually love that : )
heh, how did Romania get dragged into this? I'm from Romania and I can relate my personal experience. I was given my first computer when I was 4 and have been programming and building hardware ever since. I work in America now, I went to Cornell (oooh, fancy) and I am a consultant. What people said about the school system in Russia is true about Romania as well. You were bombarded with information and were constantly competing for the top spots in the class. Intelectuals were very cool and the girls were attracted to you if you were smart. For example, chess and math was a way to get girls (imagine my shock when I came to the U.S.). There were jocks too, and girls liked them as well, but my point is Intelectuals were respected and encouraged. And by the way, in response to an earlier post, "olympics" are actually "olympiads" and you have them all over the world silly, such as the mathematics olympiad which the Bulgarians just won, I believe. This might help make good programmers and hackers, but also as other people said the "best in the world" claims are ridiculous. Best at what? And since when do countries compete against each other at hacking? That being said, one of the most amazing guys I've ever seen is Romanian. I saw this dude stomping out viruses realtime in DOS using the debug program. He works for Microsoft now. In Soviet Russia... Microsoft hacks you!
I love the first half of the thread. It basically says, Windows users are not as stupid as to go: "wow, this Open Source software is really good, in reaction to my new finding I will now turn my back to the Open Source community and continue to buy expensive Microsoft products" In case people don't realize, Microsoft doesn't really make that much money from the average consumer at home who has to buy their own software. They make money from the coorporations that buy tens of thousands of licenses to every minutely new version of Office because Microsoft has the marketing down SOLID. People at home will always love new things like OpenOffice and Firefox if these are done well and marketted a little bit better. My favorite is Firefox. They really botched the job with the 1.0 release (pauses as entire /. community throws bricks). Well, is it just me or do the Flash and other incorporated plugins slow down the main browser (like UI elements and find as you type). However, it was marketted well and word of mouth was affectionate, even passionate.
And this makes my point. What coorporations are using Firefox as a standard browser? Does Firefox provide a front end for Excel or a drag and drop interface for Outlook? Of course not, and we don't want it to. But until some product offers an alternative way to do some of these things, IE will never be dislodged.
Therefore, to even stand a CHANCE at taking some market share away from Microsoft, Open Source development must push as far as possible into the Windows domain giving more and more people options and choices and in the end, the freedom and ease of switching to any OS they want. Why must they do this? Because Bill Gates did it (in a slightly more evil closed way) and he's the richest man on the planet so it must be right.