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Firefox Promo Videos

sebFlyte writes "Last week Mozilla Europe launched some extremely funny promotional videos for Firefox and ZDNet is reporting that they're spreading across the net like wildfire." From the article: "This is just the beginning -- I only posted it on my personal blog and it's already spreading nicely...We wanted to start small as we were concerned that servers wouldn't be able to handle the load."

421 comments

  1. Can't handle the load? by jobeus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "we were concerned that servers wouldn't be able to handle the load" -> Slashdotted already. :(

    1. Re:Can't handle the load? by angst7 · · Score: 1

      No doubt. Posted right in the middle of the US lunch hours no less.

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    2. Re:Can't handle the load? by Curtman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Posted right in the middle of the US lunch hours no less.

      Some of us are in different time zones you insensitive clod.

      (Sorry, it's been a while since I've seen an insensitive clod accusation)

    3. Re:Can't handle the load? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      A torrent link would be commendable, but the initial base thing is that most people have flash already.

      No configuring, no messing, no downloading, no installing.

      it just works (for most people).

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    4. Re:Can't handle the load? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Slashdotted already. :(

      did you try or just try to jump in and claim it has been /.'d? 10 minutes after your post, all 3 videos loaded promptly for me.

      they're really not that good to be honest. you aint missing much.

      my summary:

      Office
      Guy staring at his computer screaming.. closes with 'feel the difference'

      Mobile
      Young woman staring at home computer. picks up her mobile phone in place of her other snack and takes a bight out of it. chews it up. closes with 'taste the difference'

      Notebook
      guy sitting on couch with notebook computer. his head pops off and lands on the notebooks keyboard area. .. 'see the difference'

    5. Re:Can't handle the load? by ReverendLoki · · Score: 4, Funny
      Some of us are in different time zones you insensitive clod.

      Some of us are insensitive clods you... er... yeah

      (That should help hold you over)

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    6. Re:Can't handle the load? by Curtman · · Score: 5, Informative

      so why the hell didn't they make it a bittorrent link?

      Why the hell didn't they update the bittorrent link you mean.

    7. Re:Can't handle the load? by angst7 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some of us are in different time zones you insensitive clod.

      Note the 's' in 'hours.' Not that I'm not an insensitive clod, I just figured the average slashdotter smart enough to figure it out on her own.

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    8. Re:Can't handle the load? by ZB+Mowrey · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean there are women on slashdot?

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    9. Re:Can't handle the load? by brunson · · Score: 1

      There you go over-estimating the intelligence of slashdot readers, you insensitive clod!

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    10. Re:Can't handle the load? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Some of us have jobs, and at some of those jobs they have things called corporate computer use policy, and believe it or not, a lot of folks are not allowed to do bittorrent. I know that the last guy around here who was using BT to download anything was met at his cubicle by out information assurance team and securty where he was asked to hand over his machine and was escorted from the building for violation of company computer use policy.

    11. Re:Can't handle the load? by Curtman · · Score: 1

      I just figured the average slashdotter smart enough to figure it out

      It's just a shame that in gaining your infinite wisdom, you had to give up your sense of humour.

    12. Re:Can't handle the load? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why the fuck are you wasting time downloading flash animations and reading slahsdot at work?

      Get back to work, and worry about it when you've got time to do so at home, where you can do whatever the fuck you want!

    13. Re:Can't handle the load? by Curtman · · Score: 1

      Some of us are insensitive clods you... er... yeah

      I salute you sir. That's awesome, nicely done.

    14. Re:Can't handle the load? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "not allowed to 'do' bittorrent"? "securty"? Not only can't you spell but you have no grammar skills whatsoever. You should follow him out the door and become a part of the unemployed masses. You don't deserve a paying position!

    15. Re:Can't handle the load? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Working fine for me, but then again, maybe it's just Google Web Accelerator doing it's thing.

    16. Re:Can't handle the load? by MikeDX · · Score: 1

      To be honest the best part of the set of videos was the semi-nipple shot when you first see the girl in the green top. the rest was +5 overrated.

    17. Re:Can't handle the load? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news: "Firefox considered harmful for health"

    18. Re:Can't handle the load? by isorox · · Score: 2, Funny

      right in the middle of the US lunch hours no less.

      The continental US covers 4 time zones. With a 4 hour lunch no wonder you're all so fat!

    19. Re:Can't handle the load? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not allowed to smoke marijuana at home or use anabolic steroids. You can't keep some firearms either. Apparently it's illegal to descramble some of the photons that companies send into your home from space as well. It's also illegal to view cartoon pornography that involves cartoon characters that look like children, because that counts as child pornography. You can't obtain or distribute any obscene material at all actually. What counts as obscene depends on what community you live in. So if your uptight community thinks that the Playboy shoots you download off the internet are purient and offensive and lack any artistic value, then looks like you're an obscenity law violator.

    20. Re:Can't handle the load? by hempalicious · · Score: 1

      Then how do you explain all the skinny Chinese people?

    21. Re:Can't handle the load? by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      China is all one time zone. Serious.

    22. Re:Can't handle the load? by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

      No, he was just insulting all the girlie-man computer geeks.

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  2. Huh! by Rudisaurus · · Score: 1, Informative

    Slashdotted already, 15 seconds after first post!

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  3. This is slashdot so... by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny
    I can't be the only one who read that as "Firefox Porno Videos".

    Wasn't porn the whole reason that people wanted a better web browser in the first place?

    1. Re:This is slashdot so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, you definitely weren't the only one. I converted two friends alone because they were serial wankers and Firefox seemed a much better option. (One was thankful for the possibility of having several password-protected profiles on one desktop.)

    2. Re:This is slashdot so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Haha I read that too and thought, you fucking sad nerdy bastards. Then I read it again, realised what it really was, and thought the same thing.

    3. Re:This is slashdot so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're not alone...

    4. Re:This is slashdot so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Wasn't porn the whole reason that people wanted a better web browser in the first place?

      But Firefox doesn't even have a newsreader in it. nntp://alt.binary.erotica.firefox.promo

    5. Re:This is slashdot so... by Auckerman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Wasn't porn the whole reason that people wanted a better web browser in the first place?"

      Yes, actaully.

      Way back in the day, what got me on the web was the fact that Netscape included a USENET reader that could handle inline UUEncoded files. More specifically JPEG. Had I gotten on the Internet any later than I did (91), I wouldn't know anywhere near as much about Unix as I do now. Having to figure out how to make PINE to launch a shell so I could compile tintin and have less limited access to USENET (their default reader had no subscribe feature and only "approved" groups) ended up being the major foundations of a later career.

      Who says porn is bad for you.

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    6. Re:This is slashdot so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What, you mean it doesn't make you blind and deaf?!

      On a more serious note, it can render you night blind, because each time you ejaculate you get rid of about 5 mg of zinc (which is found in high quantities in semen), but the latter is essential to bringing vitamin A to the eyes, and its deficiency can cause night blindness.

      Zinc is also found in high quantities in cereals, so if you wank 3 times per day (as one of my friends does, not joking), you may want to increase your intake of zinc. Google is your friend.

      Haven't heard anything as far as masturbation causing hearing loss goes ... "Haven't heard," "hearing loss," get it?! I'm here all week.

      By the way, frequent masturbation, hence ejaculation, decreases the risk of prostate cancer because each ejaculation rids the prostate of the crap that causes the cancer.

      Plus, unless you're a die hard Catholic, ejaculation is a morale boost.

    7. Re:This is slashdot so... by T-Ranger · · Score: 1

      It is entirely possible that it did say "Porno" the first time you read it, only to be silently "edited" after the fact".

    8. Re:This is slashdot so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tee hee! It's funny cause it's about sex!

    9. Re:This is slashdot so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ejaculation rids the prostate of the crap that causes the cancer

      Err.. so you're saying semen causes cancer? :o)

    10. Re:This is slashdot so... by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      It does say "Porno"! Where did you read something else?

    11. Re:This is slashdot so... by Hrodvitnir · · Score: 1

      Opening in a new tab with the middle mouse button is great for viewing large numbers of thumbnails.

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    12. Re:This is slashdot so... by Strolls · · Score: 1
      More specifically JPEG. Had I gotten on the Internet any later than I did (91), I wouldn't know anywhere near as much about Unix as I do now.
      Oh, I don't know. My granny got on the Internet when she was 97, and she can still compile her own kernel.
    13. Re:This is slashdot so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      any later than I did (91)

      Damm that makes you like what, 110 years old by now.

  4. first impressions by uberjoe · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I first glanced at this story I thought it said Firefox porno videos. Hot browser sex! IE and Foxy FF go on safari!

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  5. Wildfire by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 5, Funny

    We wanted to start small as we were concerned that servers wouldn't be able to handle the load.

    Welcome to slashdot. Now it's spreading like the fire inside the case of your webserver.

    1. Re:Wildfire by COMON$ · · Score: 4, Funny

      thanks to the mineral oil PCs discussed yesterday we can now refer to the slashdot effect as the deep fry effect. break out the batter, fish, beer, invite some friends, and submit your website to slashdot.

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    2. Re:Wildfire by Pyrowolf · · Score: 1
      ZDNet is reporting that they're spreading across the net like wildfire."
      ... funny, you'd think you would be able to find them someplace else if they were "spreading like wildfire". Why in the world didn't they at least setup BT mirror(s) out of the gate.
  6. Shock factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    reminds me of the XBox advert.

  7. Oops. by Frobnicator · · Score: 0, Redundant
    We wanted to start small as we were concerned that servers wouldn't be able to handle the load.
    But now we expect our servers to go up in flames as the slashdot horde arrives.
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  8. Got my father switched today by BronxBomber · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Which got me thinking - I wonder if its possible to push more marketing toward the older generation who are too afraid to switch from "tried and true" MSIE/Outlook?

    A lot of the older generation has no idea what ActiveX is, how harmful it can be... it would be swell to see Firefox maybe try to get the attention of more casual, not-so-savvy PC users.

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    1. Re:Got my father switched today by uniqueUser · · Score: 0

      Firefox maybe try to get the attention of more casual, not-so-savvy PC users.

      You would have to make every thing easy. An end user does not want content to be blocked b/c of security issues. If FireFox takes this route, you will end up with just a slightly cooler version of IE!

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    2. Re:Got my father switched today by L0neW0lf · · Score: 5, Informative

      I agree...however, I think Firefox still has some minor hurdles to overcome in this department.

      Not in usability, Firefox certainly has that. However, you cannot install Firefox over another copy of Firefox without having two versions in "Add/Remove Programs" in Windows. You can't get an upgrade patch for Firefox just a whole new version (Though admittedly the download is far smaller than IE). I've also found that if you have Auto-Update on it may take several days to inform you of an update, which concerns me if 0-day exploits with the browser become a problem (I also think "Check For Updates" should be an option off the Help drop-down menu).

      I think Firefox is great, and it's my browser of choice...but I think they could polish it just a little more for the average user.

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    3. Re:Got my father switched today by BronxBomber · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Why is easy bad?

      This is a common misconception. If Firefox expects to make any serious inroads, then they must address the casual user. Word of mouth is powerful, but not that powerful. Saying it would mean everything would have to be too easy is, to me, a copout.

      Strictly speaking this has little to do with security. It has to do with prevention of scripts and executables being launched without user permission. This is one of the many things FF does well. IE does not. All a casual user has to do is install FF - default settings work fine for 99% of their surfing requirements. Cant get much easier than that.

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    4. Re:Got my father switched today by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

      Read what you said in a non-geek way. It's just crap to most people. Why not just be honest..

      "Firefox will stop spyware installing on your PC, which will make your PC run better in the long term. Which means you won't have to spend money on crap software or buy a new PC quite as soon".

      Sell Firefox to the idiots through their wallets since they won't care for the truth.

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    5. Re:Got my father switched today by jacksonj04 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apparently 1.1 includes a far nicer update handler.

      I want 1.1, because at the moment I have 0.8, 0.9, 1.0, 1.0.1, 1.0.2, 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 in my add/remove programs list.

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    6. Re:Got my father switched today by VStrider · · Score: 2, Informative

      "...you cannot install Firefox over another copy of Firefox without having two versions in "Add/Remove Programs" in Windows." I hear this is fixed on the latest version; you can now use the autoupdate to update FF, without getting two entries on Add/Remove programs. However, i don't use windows, so i cannot verify that. But you could try it.

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    7. Re:Got my father switched today by mjh · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I wonder if its possible to push more marketing toward the older generation who are too afraid to switch from "tried and true" MSIE/Outlook?
      Good grief! When *I* think of the "older" generation, I think of people who amazed that an entire computer could fit into a single room. How wonderful that we've come far enough that we're worried about the distributed software that the "older" generation is using on their *personal* *computer*!

      (BTW: I use firefox and mutt. I just look old.)

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    8. Re:Got my father switched today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And ActiveX is harmful how exactly? Geez... just don't run it. It's the same as saying executables are harmful. Idiot.

    9. Re:Got my father switched today by hass · · Score: 1

      This was supposed to be fixed in 1.03. I only have 1.03 so the fix worked for me.

    10. Re:Got my father switched today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously have no idea what ActiveX is or what it can do. Your comment of "just don't run it" seems to imply that users have control over whether a page (or popup, or email in outlook for that matter) decides to start running an ActiveX control.

    11. Re:Got my father switched today by Nakago4 · · Score: 1

      I only have 1.0.4 in my add/remove programs. And I've been using it on this computer since 1.0.1 And I don't remove the installation before updating, so I'm not sure why they are being removed for me and not for you.

    12. Re:Got my father switched today by Rylz · · Score: 1

      However, you cannot install Firefox over another copy of Firefox without having two versions in "Add/Remove Programs" in Windows.

      I have been wondering why they haven't fixed this... All they would have to do is check the registry for "Mozilla Firefox (*)" in the directory of the registry where add/remove programs entries are kept (I think it's HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Unin stall, but I'm not on Windows right now so I can't check.). Seriously, would it be too hard to add this? Firefox needs to look clean and polished, and multiple entries in Add/Remove Programs is likely to give people the opposite impression.

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    13. Re:Got my father switched today by argent · · Score: 1

      you cannot install Firefox over another copy of Firefox without having two versions in "Add/Remove Programs" in Windows

      You are SO ready for a Mac.

      they could polish it just a little more for the average user.

      Include a copy of PearPC?

    14. Re:Got my father switched today by argent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And ActiveX is harmful how exactly?

      The whole point of ActiveX in the MS HTML control is to allow a remote site to load and run a native executable without you having to decide whether to run/install/download/whatever.

      Of course that has turned out to be a horribly bad idea, and they've wrapped ActiveX in so many layers of protection that downloading and installing a program is INFINITELY easier than figuring out how to configure IE to let you use ActiveX the way it was intended.

      The problem is, all those layers of protection don't include "making ActiveX disabled by default", because it's *also* how Windows implements a lot of the features of Windows Explorer. So if someone can figure out how to convince the HTML control that their remote exploit's really an ActiveX applet installed by Windows Explorer, locally, it'll happily run it. then they can do anything.

      Microsoft regularly fixes this, usually in a way that breaks someone's software or adds another annoying dialog to train you to ignore annoying dialogs. And just as regularly someone finds another hole, and Ad-Aware or Symantec has to figure out another signature to detect another virus or spybot...

    15. Re:Got my father switched today by argent · · Score: 1

      An end user does not want content to be blocked b/c of security issues.

      That's another advantage of Firefox. Because the design is safer, there's fewer cases where it has to block content that might be dangerous.

    16. Re:Got my father switched today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life is too short to think of a witty signature.

      Learn to think faster.

    17. Re:Got my father switched today by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I guess that's why I caught java backdoor virus (yes, it installs ordinary windows .dll via java applet). That was guess with what software? Firefox (0.9.x) and Sun Java (don't remember version #). I turned off java since then and won't be running any single java applet anymore.

      Hey, all the software has bugs... ActiveX is dangerous technology and should be turned off by default (they did it in winxp sp2).

      By the way - if you find me some recent IE exploit that allows remote installation of ActiveX without user confirmation - I'll happily agree with you. But IIRC that was circa pre-y2k I've seen any.

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    18. Re:Got my father switched today by CrackHappy · · Score: 1

      That is interesting. It only ever lists the latest version that is installed for me - it seems to automatically get rid of the older one. What OS are you using?

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    19. Re:Got my father switched today by argent · · Score: 1
      ActiveX is dangerous technology and should be turned off by default (they did it in winxp sp2).

      No they didn't. They only blocked it for the Internet Zone, and they only require confirmation even there. They can't turn it off completely because then Software Update, some Control Panel applets, and other tools that depend on ActiveX components wouldn't work.

      Which means that it is still true that if you can get the applet into the "local zone", the HTML control will happily launch it. This is not a bug... a bug can be fixed. This is a design flaw, fixing it will require significantly modifying what has become a core API in Windows. And unlike Java, you can't turn it off.

      find me some recent IE exploit that allows remote installation of ActiveX without user confirmation

      User confirmation isn't a high enough barrier to propogation. manual installation is barely enough, but it is better than confirmation. I spent years doing Windows support as part of my job, and a lot of people around here still think it is. I still get users coming to me saying they "clicked OK again", but I've never had anyone explicitly download and install an attachment twice.

      And preventing remote installation isn't enough, if there's a vulnerability in a widely used existing ActiveX applet it can be used, even if that applet was never intended to be run from the browser. For example, here's an ironic one:


      SYM04-009
      May 20, 2004
      Symantec Norton AntiVirus 2004 ActiveX Control Vulnerability

  9. haha... by filtur · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I thought that said Firefox Porno videos. Oh well, wishful think I guess.

    1. Re:haha... by turgid · · Score: 1

      You too? So I'm not the only person here with a filthy mind. :-)

    2. Re:haha... by SilentBob4 · · Score: 1

      Firefox Porno? hmmm I think that might be illegal...

    3. Re:haha... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm amazed multiple people say the same thing and each get modded up, while someone with a different perspective gets branded a -1 Troll. On second thought, I'm not amazed.

    4. Re:haha... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but a non-corporate slave wealthy one at that. Now get back to work before I fire your ass.

    5. Re:haha... by krunchyfrog · · Score: 0

      I was getting my cheetos ready.. Damn.

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    6. Re:haha... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my God! You're so funny and original! Get yourself a girlfriend.

  10. Starting small... by CajunElder · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We wanted to start small as we were concerned that servers wouldn't be able to handle the load."

    I'm sure a post to Slashdot is going to help.

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  11. ugh by AIX-Hood · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mentioning "video" without the subsequent "torrent link" is asking for trouble.

    1. Re:ugh by DustMagnet · · Score: 1

      Mentioning "video" without the subsequent "torrent link" is asking for trouble.

      It's only 60K. I had not trouble downloading it (I didn't even use wget). Sorry, but I can't torrent from work, even at lunch hour. Here's a direct link.

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    2. Re:ugh by DustMagnet · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I didn't reallize there are two more videos.

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    3. Re:ugh by AIX-Hood · · Score: 1

      Well I mentioned it as I'm not able to pull up their page at all, let alone their video files.

    4. Re:ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the difference between "video" and "videos" for you.

  12. 404 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    404 - Funny not found

    1. Re:404 by ignorant_coward · · Score: 1


      I've seen the other posts of people who don't get the commercials. Does it have anything to do with the commercials being done by "Mozilla Europe" and the complaints are possibly coming from the USA? Being from the USA, there's lots of European stuff that just flies over my head.

    2. Re:404 by frostw · · Score: 1

      No, I'm from Europe, and I can assure you, they weren't funny.

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    3. Re:404 by antic · · Score: 1


      Agreed. Anyone calling these "extremely funny" is wearing their special FireFox glasses, or needs to expand their horizons...

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  13. 'Promo' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bet I wasn't the only one to read that as porno. Must go home.

    1. Re:'Promo' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one who DID read it as "promo"?

    2. Re:'Promo' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CONGRATULATIONS! You are the __4th__ person to post this wonderful insight!

  14. the ultimate irony by gmr2048 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I couldn't get the videos to work in Firefox 1.0.4 (with Flashblock installed). I clicked on the Flashblock "play" button, but then got only audio, no video. I had to open the page in IE to see them. Oh the humanity.

    -gary

    1. Re:the ultimate irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      I had to open the page in IE to see them. Oh the humanity.

      It's a targeted audience.

    2. Re:the ultimate irony by jfengel · · Score: 1

      It's funny that the irony didn't occur to me at the time: I have Flash installed only on IE, not on FF. Whenever I actually want to view a Flash thing (which is nearly never), I just boot up IE. I didn't even notice that I was booting IE to view an ad for FF.

      Why don't I just use Flashblock? Well, I used to, but somehow or other a more recent installation of FF didn't get Flash connected in to it, and I was just as happy to be 100% certain that I'd never see any flash unless I specifically went out of my way for it.

      Why don't I just use adblock then? Because I like web ads. I like the fact that I get all sorts of cool stuff supported by minimalistic advertising. (I have animated gifs turned off, too.) I like getting Slashdot and others for free, as long as the ads don't try to convince my eyes that they're more important than the content.

    3. Re:the ultimate irony by stanleypane · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is an executable flag for running Firefox without any third party add-ons activated. Simply add -safe-mode to the end of the executable that starts firefox:

      firefox.exe -safe-mode
      or...
      ./firefox -safe-mode
      or...
      ./firefox-bin -safe-mode

      Depending on your operating system, one of those will work.

    4. Re:the ultimate irony by sci50514 · · Score: 0

      Me too. I have to disable Flashblock to view it.

    5. Re:the ultimate irony by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      thats funny because i have flashblock and mine worked fine.

      1.0.3 tho..

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    6. Re:the ultimate irony by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1
      Why don't I just use adblock then? Because I like web ads. I like the fact that I get all sorts of cool stuff supported by minimalistic advertising. (I have animated gifs turned off, too.) I like getting Slashdot and others for free, as long as the ads don't try to convince my eyes that they're more important than the content.

      Oddly enough, I use Adblock for exactly the same reasons. I generally don't block ads. But once a Flash or simularly annoying ad pops up, Adblock lets me block that and simular ads from that source (or the entire source if they're annoying enough). The vast majority of my Adblock config looks like "*.addomain.net/ads/*.swf*".

      I see a large number of ads. And they don't annoy me.

      My previous solution was using Privoxy and default definitions that targeted every known ad server.
    7. Re:the ultimate irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had this problem too, turned out it wasn't Flashblock that was the problem, but Adblock.

      Turn off Obj-Tabs in Adblock. I did that and now I can see the videos.

    8. Re:the ultimate irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just watched with 1.04 and flashblock.. not a problem for me.

    9. Re:the ultimate irony by jjon · · Score: 1

      Same here. dilbert.com wants to display banner ads? Fine. dilbert.com starts showing pop-ups? That was the point I started using Privoxy (that was pre-Mozilla, using IE). So showing pop-ups caused me to see far *less* adverts on their site - very counterproductive.

      Firefox (with AniDisable, FlashBlock, and the built-in popup blocker) is good enough that I don't need Privoxy any more.

      Now, dilbert.com is starting to display full-page ads between pages, and framed ads floating over the top of the content. I'm currently blocking the Javascript that displays these using a HOSTS file, but I can see I'm going to need Privoxy again soon.

    10. Re:the ultimate irony by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1
      I can see I'm going to need Privoxy again soon.

      Or AdBlock. The reason I have that preference is the quick-and-easy interface AdBlock offers to blocking offensive content. Granted - this could simply be my ignorance with Privoxy. Having said that, AdBlock gives me tabs and even a button to pop up a listing of potential elements. Between the two, I'm able to pick off the offending parties and leave the unoffensive ads alone. Since this is rather quick and painless to do, I generate a better blocking list without throwing up my hands and blocking it all.
    11. Re:the ultimate irony by Narchie+Troll · · Score: 1

      What the hell could dilbert.com have that is so useful as to merit endless battles to block irritating ads? Just looks like a comic strip to me.

      Do you not have a newspaper or something?

  15. Share & Enjoy by orangeguru · · Score: 1

    They should offer eMule and BT links for easier sharing ...

  16. Coulda been better... by MicroBerto · · Score: 1
    That wasn't THAT funny, although I like that guy.

    What would have been better was him screaming like that, and then he goes to the woman in the ad "nasty pop-up..." and then the screen flashes "SHOULD HAVE USED FIREFOX", and point you to getfirefox.com.

    That's the marketing angle I would like for firefox. Not that it's better through addition (which it is), but appeal to people because it's better through subtraction (less bullshit that IE lets through).

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    1. Re:Coulda been better... by Inigo+Montoya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These ads are just NOT funny.. frankly, they suck!
      where is the connection to Firefox in any of these ads?

      Perhaps I just have no sense of humor. I came away scratching my head and saying "huh?"

    2. Re:Coulda been better... by jkeegan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope, you have a sense of humor (I remember).. These ads just sucked.

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  17. Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefox by norfolkboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The adverts are certainly cool, I enjoyed watching them.

    BUT, although they mention FireFox, they don't give much clue as to what it does, other than "it's something to do with computers".

    I can't see this converting anyone.

    Sure, there is a link to download FF at the end, but users these days really should be discouraged from downloading something just because "the advertiser says so". Aren't we working against that culture?

    I really think the adverts need to make more noise about what firefox is and does.

  18. funny ehh? by mrokkam · · Score: 1

    Yeah... verrry funny. Poor guys are worried about load handling and you go ahead and slashdot them!!

    I already got one "unable to connect" error.

    poor fellas

  19. Bittorrent? by yrogerg · · Score: 0, Redundant

    No really, hasn't anyone heard of bittorrent?

  20. British Humor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "extremely funny" isn't quite how I'd describe them... maybe a little nonsensical and amusing. I'm still left wanting that 30 seconds of my life back though.

    Sorry, it's just my opinion.

  21. 404 Not Funny by JPelorat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah... ok. So I guess a few kiddies might get a kick out of it.

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    1. Re:404 Not Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/extremely funny/totally lame/

    2. Re:404 Not Funny by Nyhm · · Score: 1

      As another comment stated, I'm glad to see folks promoting Firefox, but...

      These videos are filmed well, but they don't deliver ANY meaningful message. WHY should I use Firefox - so my office blows up, so I eat my cell phone, so my head falls off? These films are like those generic royalty-free images you can purchase to attach to any product web page; they work with any "computer user" product (as another post pointed out), then "attach logo here."

      In addition to providing no message there is no humor. There is mild amusement, but nothing that would qualify as a joke. "404 Not Funny" is funnier than these ads.

      This is, of course, all my opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if it is wrong.

  22. Anyone got a torrent up? by gte910h · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is screaming at the top of its lungs for a bittorrent

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    1. Re:Anyone got a torrent up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the problem is that we've got multiple bittorrent postings in this article.
      Everybody knows that bittorrent works best when there's only one...

    2. Re:Anyone got a torrent up? by dereference · · Score: 1

      Must that "office" dude in the first vid!

  23. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by norfolkboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    sorry - that sounded a bit harsh. I think it's great that people are trying to promote FF.

    I just don't feel the "blank and mysterious" adverts of the dot-com-bubble era are the right way to do it.

  24. Firefox Porno videos? by N8F8 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Oh yea!

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    1. Re:Firefox Porno videos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CONGRATULATIONS! You are the __5th__ person to post this wonderful insight!

  25. This is why its good to be a nerd by PopeAlien · · Score: 4, Funny

    See - this just goes to show: popularity is bad!
    I always knew it was best to toil in obscurity!

    1. Re:This is why its good to be a nerd by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's what a BitTorrent link is for.

  26. Grr... by beeswax · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or does firefox seem to get promoted/mentioned by Slashdot everyday?

    It's like eating your favorite food everyday, eventually you'll get sick of it.

    1. Re:Grr... by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is it just me or does firefox seem to get promoted/mentioned by Slashdot everyday?

      So does MSFT, now that you mention it.

      Why oh why do they insist on discussing web browsers when we're just trying to upgrade our web browsers?

      Um, irony, this is earth, we have another post.

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    2. Re:Grr... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Funny

      They're trying to keep the Google:Firefox ratio ar 1:1.

  27. Safe for work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before I click...

    Are these videos safe to view at work?

  28. Oh..... Promo videos by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I thought it said porno videos.

    Damnit.

    1. Re:Oh..... Promo videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CONGRATULATIONS! You are the __6th__ person to post this wonderful insight!

  29. Goodness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone post a video link on slashdot and in the same story admit they are concerned about handling the load?

    That's about like posting a sign on a major highway pointing to your house that says "free beer, but we might run out!" and then having 2 cans actually in your fridge.

    Bittorrent, anyone?

  30. Coral cache ... ? by Z-MaxX · · Score: 5, Informative
    You can try the Coral cached version:

    http://funnyfox.org.nyud.net:8090/

    Which loads fine for me, but the Flash animations just show "-21474..." or something in the middle of a black empty rectangle. I wonder if the .swf file is trying to request another resource on the funnyfox.org server? Instead of using a relative URL?

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    1. Re:Coral cache ... ? by ElectricBrain · · Score: 1

      OH! This works! The flash works for me.

      Im on Firefox 1.0.4 with flashblock and when i run the flash vid, it works.

      Woohoo!

  31. Not funny? by AaronD12 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Um... am I the only one that thought those were not funny? Good special effects but special effects don't make things funny. Content makes things funny.

    Yawn.

    /Firefox user on PC; Safari on Mac

    1. Re:Not funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I didn't think it was very funny either.

    2. Re:Not funny? by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, I thought they were all rubbish. A clear case of someone trying to be far too smart for their own good. The population at large does not know the brand firefox, does not know what it does and more importantly does not really care. A couple unamusing and totally obscure videos are not going to change that.

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    3. Re:Not funny? by Betaman · · Score: 1

      I'd like to chime in a add to the group of people who think these video were not funny, and in fact a poor attempt at being so. I use FireFox on PC + Mac, I like it. Stick with the FireFox development. Stop making lame commercials.

    4. Re:Not funny? by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      It really pains me to agree... but I have to!

      That said, 10 out of 10 for polish. They really did do a good job in terms of quality (if we ignore the humour element completely).

    5. Re:Not funny? by JesterXXV · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed. Not only were they not funny, they were terrible advertising. Budweiser tells me their beer tastes good. Kleenex tells me their tissue is soft. What the fuck is Firefox trying to say? Web browsing is exciting?

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    6. Re:Not funny? by extremesanity · · Score: 2, Informative

      I also thought they were dumb as hell. Usually I look forward to advertisements by alternative type tech companies like apple, etc because they are inventive. Oh well, it is free afterall...

    7. Re:Not funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      imagine these were IE commercials... would \. still run a story that these "extremely funny"? I guess not. And then there is this mention of the "spread like wildfire" "I also wanna viral internet movie hype crap"... pffff

    8. Re:Not funny? by AzraelKans · · Score: 1

      I agree, the Woman eating the phone was kind of funny, since it was a bit unexpected. (although pointless as well)

      But the other two: some guy screams in his office in extasis while watching his screen and then it explodes, some guy loses his head while using his laptop, Hmm.. wheres the punchline? wheres the difference from this commercial to any other AD mentioning some new spec on a tv or a car? or some new tv series?

      Oh... and one hint, you shouldnt label something funny as "funny", laughter comes out of surprise and irony, its a lot more difficult to make someone laugh if you constantly remind him/her what they are watching is "funny" since you are ruining the surprise.

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    9. Re:Not funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No you're not the only one.

      This ad is not funny at all -- that's were it misses. It's an attempt to build a brand and raise curiosity but falls flat on its face because there's not much there that would raise the viewers interest over the minimum threshold to try to find out what "firefox" is -- that's where the humor would help but is sadly lacking on this one.

      Not funny, not fascinating, not piqueing curiosity. It's a good attempt, so they get points for trying but unfortunately fails.

    10. Re:Not funny? by p3d0 · · Score: 1
      You're not the only one. I didn't find them even mildly amusing. I want those 90 seconds of my life back.

      Uh huh huh. Uh huh huh. His head popped off, Beavis.

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  32. This is funny? by ElectricBrain · · Score: 1

    How the hell is something like this funny? Kinda creepy, I'd say.

    http://j-walkblog.com/images/firefoxad.jpg

  33. For or against FireFox? by skoda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I watched these movies a few days back, and found them amusing, but I didn't understand their message. Are they suggesting that using e.g. IE is so devastating to the user that his head will pop off? Or is using Firefox so horrible that he scream in horror? Or are these good things, to show how remarkably different Firefox is from the competition?

    Cute videos, but I have no idea what they're trying to communicate.

    1. Re:For or against FireFox? by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 1

      I watched these movies a few days back, and found them amusing, but I didn't understand their message. Are they suggesting that using e.g. IE is so devastating to the user that his head will pop off? Or is using Firefox so horrible that he scream in horror? Or are these good things, to show how remarkably different Firefox is from the competition?

      Yeah, I can't think of anything *really* exciting about firefox. Yes, it works, and it does what many of us *expect* from a browser. Blocks pop-ups. Blocks cookies. But are they something to lose your head over? Maybe if they showed an IE user next to the FF user, and the IE user's head blowing up or screaming because he keeps trying to close pop-ups that just opens more. Or if they showed an IE user with a machine so slowed by spyware they just sit and chat on the phone and the FF user busy surfing and then eating the phone because she's so distracted by being able to do something (probably hard get the point across without some narration), then the videos would be somewhat meaningful.

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    2. Re:For or against FireFox? by denidoom · · Score: 1
      I hate to admit it, but the things I like about Firefox are the knick knacks like skins and the UI (the Find feature). I also like the multiple tabs although I know Netscape has this as well.

      The first commercial I think is a good one because this is the first time to my knowledge that "office people" (non technical people) have become excited over a browser. At my former company, the Sales people were downloading Firefox because they had heard about it in the news and it gave them a feeling of technical 'leetness that however undeserved, is important for FF to permeate the mainstream. While the commercial is a bit abstract, for the European audience perhaps it has more meaning. (?)

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    3. Re:For or against FireFox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when have commercials communicated anything other than a brand name?

    4. Re:For or against FireFox? by AndersOSU · · Score: 1

      I think the message is that you don't know what you're missing if you don't use fire fox.
      At least that was my impression watching the poping off head, and candy bar one. The scream I don't so much get.
      The way I see it presumably they are using FF for the first time and the head pop-ing off, screaming, and obliviousness are side effects of the unexpected goodness.

    5. Re:For or against FireFox? by dingchakforreal · · Score: 1

      ..firefox so horrible that he scream in horror..

      i think the point of the 1st promo was that the guy had a jaw dropping experience..

    6. Re:For or against FireFox? by kiddailey · · Score: 1


      Funny, the first commercial looked to me like the guy was panicking over something gone wrong.

      That, or he was just having a Matrix moment :)

    7. Re:For or against FireFox? by nine-times · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I can't think of anything *really* exciting about firefox. Yes, it works, and it does what many of us *expect* from a browser. Blocks pop-ups. Blocks cookies. But are they something to lose your head over? Maybe if they showed an IE user next to the FF user, and the IE user's head blowing up or screaming because he keeps trying to close pop-ups that just opens more. Or if they showed an IE user with a machine so slowed by spyware they just sit and chat on the phone and the FF user busy surfing and then eating the phone because she's so distracted by being able to do something (probably hard get the point across without some narration), then the videos would be somewhat meaningful.

      I think most people's expectations are different from yours. Most people don't blame IE for the pop-up windows they get. They think that's just how the internet works. They think computers slow down as the "machinery" gets old, and that's why people think their computers are running slow (when it's actually viruses and spyware).

      So for the masses, Firefox probably should pretend like it's doing amazing things. It's "blocking" pop-ups, and "oiling the machinery of your computer" by not installing spyware.

      Ok, so I agree that it's still not doing anything exciting, but since when has that mattered for advertisements? Like the AOL commercials with the little yellow guy running on a treadmill-- what improvements were they selling with that one? Oh, but whatever it was, people bought into it.

    8. Re:For or against FireFox? by Dracolytch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is, you're trying to recieve a consise message from an advertisement that does not have one. There is no underlying message, and they are suggesting very little.

      The whole idea of this kind of advertising is to get your attention, and then show you a brand name. It's called brand exposure, and it's surprisingly effective. That's it, nothing more.

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    9. Re:For or against FireFox? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      While the commercial is a bit abstract, for the European audience perhaps it has more meaning. (?)

      Erm... "Firefox will give you amazing shouting powers capable of destroying an office building"?


      How about an ad where the user clicks on an icon quite similar to IE's (with a name like "Internet Discoverer" underneath) and the computer says: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that..." The user stares at the screen, cut, the Firefox logo with the slogan: "Guaranteed to not turn your computer into a crazy killing machine!"

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    10. Re:For or against FireFox? by __aaitqo8496 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't need to say anything. It's funny, people remember it - that's it. As long as they remember "Firefox" and not "guy screaming", the campaign does its job.

    11. Re:For or against FireFox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As long as they remember "Firefox" and not "guy screaming", the campaign does its job.


      Unless, of course, the association they remember is "Firefox" and "dumber than shit".

    12. Re:For or against FireFox? by denidoom · · Score: 1

      I actually was commenting half blind since I was viewing at work, and had the sound off. Kind of neat the message minus sound is different :)

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    13. Re:For or against FireFox? by TERdON · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I can't think of anything *really* exciting about firefox. Yes, it works, and it does what many of us *expect* from a browser.

      It is EXACTLY because of that I like Firefox. It's as lean as possible, works, and doesn't do anything unnecessary.

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    14. Re:For or against FireFox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Exposure to this brand may cause you to
      • scream in agony
      • eat toxic cell phones
      • have your head suddenly pop off


      I found the experience disturbing. There was a definite tinge of pain throughout that turned me off.

      Now, the office girl... How do I get to see more of her?
    15. Re:For or against FireFox? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Two points:

      1) 90% of people aren't using Firefox so this is the base case. The other ten percent won't assume people are trashing their own product
      b) Microsoft would never make an ad like this. That says more than anything the ad contains.

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  34. "Funny"?? by psallitesapienter · · Score: 1

    What a weird sense of humor Europ has. Only the second one was mildly good.

    1. Re:"Funny"?? by Eric604 · · Score: 1

      I could only watch the first one. It was incredible lame. Looks like it was done by teens thinking distortion effects and screaming are funny.

  35. Screencap by CypherXero · · Score: 1

    I have a screencap of the best part of the video:
    http://www.collegechixors.com/images/firefox_screa m.jpg

    1. Re:Screencap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean screencrap?

    2. Re:Screencap by schon · · Score: 1

      Wow - I didn't know that Steven Tyler was even a firefox user, let alone that he'd appear in promos for them!

    3. Re:Screencap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like the goatse guy, but from the other end.

  36. Yipes! by devphaeton · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Somehow i first read the title as "Firefox Porno Videos"

    Maybe it's time for lunch.....

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    1. Re:Yipes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CONGRATULATIONS! You are the __7th__ person to post this wonderful insight!

  37. FTA by harley_frog · · Score: 1
    The videos had registered 300,000 hits by the end of the weekend, and were nearing 500,000 hits by Tuesday

    And after today, expect 500,000 today just from /. readers alone.

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  38. Re:Coral cache ... WORKING! by Z-MaxX · · Score: 1

    Okay, it's working now! It must have just taken some time to load.

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  39. In other news... by dfn5 · · Score: 1
    Judging by the replies to this article, 50% of slashdot readers have dyslexia. Or watch too much porn. I'm not sure which.

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    1. Re:In other news... by mortonda · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a motd I saw when logging into a terminal that ran "fortune":

      Are you lysdexic?

  40. These "extremely funny" videos... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...are the strongest evidence I've seen that Slashdot's lameness filter isn't working.

  41. url for actual swf files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:url for actual swf files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Anyone notice in the first video that she appears to be using an old one-button Apple mouse and keyboard?

      Let's hope the folks at Firefox take some of the money this may generate and hire a more current "supporting actor."

    2. Re:url for actual swf files by lolocaust · · Score: 2, Funny

      http://mozilla.mirrors.tds.net/mozilla-video//bure au1.swf

      Ahh, Goatse.

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    3. Re:url for actual swf files by sootman · · Score: 1

      the third looks inspired by Aphex Twin's 'Come To Daddy'

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  42. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't see the hype. They were vaguely amusing at best, certainly not the hilarity people are talking about. I suspect it's just the novelty of seeing a fairly polished video advert for an open-source project that is impressing people. Really, if they were promoting any other product, would people even bother talking about it?

  43. Don't play The Office in the office by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    unfortunately, that should have had a warning - my officemates were a bit taken aback by the yelling.

    But The Mobile was quite funny.

    Can't get The Network to work. I think they've been slashdotted.

    [humorous rant] Darn you slashdot! Yet another cool idea suffers under the weight of worldwide geek traffic! When will it ever stop? [/rant]

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  44. Re:FTA errata by harley_frog · · Score: 1

    Damn, hit Submit instead of Preview. Should read "expect 500,000 hits just from /. readers alone."

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  45. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by miltimj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interesting, I didn't even get them knowing what Firefox is. At best, they are lame. As this is only one person's opinion, take it with a grain of salt of course.

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  46. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your right. see/feel/taste(??) the difference? difference between what and what?

    these are pretty useless as far as marketing goes. Such teasers can work in some industries, but not in the computer industry.. "woa! is this some new software?! I better click this and download it!!" .. most people would get this in their email (or whatever) and be like "this might be software, I better not click anything.. DELETE! DELETE!"

  47. Torrent? by iolaus · · Score: 1

    Honestly, couldn't a script be written relatively easily that would take an accepted story submission, download chosen media, automatically create a torrent, and replace the original link with the torrent link?

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    1. Re:Torrent? by alienfluid · · Score: 1

      not everyone has access to torrent ports. for me, im behind a firewall that does not allow torrent downloads.

  48. How did they author the videos? by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I have watched the video...my question is how they authored it. Was it a Java "thing" similar to what was at http://mirror.fluendo.com/cortado/? Was it a Windows Media embeded file, or RealPlayer? Quicktime? The browser URL does not say much. I have not tried it on Linux so I do not know.

    Overall, I was impressed. Technical slashdotters, please elaborate. Thanx.

    1. Re:How did they author the videos? by pdbogen · · Score: 1

      ..It was Shockwave (I.e., Flash).

    2. Re:How did they author the videos? by justforaday · · Score: 3, Informative

      They're Flash files with video as the content. Go check out the trial copy of Sorenson Squeeze for an idea of what options you have for this sort of compression. Aside from it being evil evil Flash, it's really not bad...

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    3. Re:How did they author the videos? by Suppafly · · Score: 1

      It's flash.

    4. Re:How did they author the videos? by thisisnotsam · · Score: 1

      Its flash Right click on it.

    5. Re:How did they author the videos? by VStrider · · Score: 1

      It's flash. Shockwave is different from flash.

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    6. Re:How did they author the videos? by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      No, I would say that this is a very approiate use of flash. We are looking for a video, so we expect some sort of plug in. However, not having normal video controls is quite annoying, but it is an approiate use of Flash.

      The menus aren't made with flash, which is where Flash gets annoying.

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    7. Re:How did they author the videos? by justforaday · · Score: 1

      Actually, I fully agree with you here. My "evil evil Flash" comment was more of a jab at the people that despise everything Flash. Using Flash for video is actually quite nice. The big gripe I have with it is what you mention, standard video controls. Having to build them separately and then integrate them with the FLV/SWF file is a bit ugly. OTOH, it does allow for full customization of the GUI. Oh yeah, my only other gripe with Flash video is that it's being used for ads (I'm talking the annoying ads placed in the middle of a webpage, not like these video clips). Then again, that's what Flashblock is for...

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    8. Re:How did they author the videos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These aren't "movies" or "videos." They're Flash crap. Flash will never desecrate my computer. Especially now that they're used for tracking like cookies used to be. But even before then, Flash has ALWAYS sucked.

  49. Horrible. by Refrag · · Score: 1

    It's too bad these videos are completely unfunny.

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    1. Re:Horrible. by dmneoblade · · Score: 1

      Its sad that you don't see the benefits of good european humor. A lot of people don't see it, but I personally want more of those.

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    2. Re:Horrible. by Refrag · · Score: 1

      There are no benefits to that style of "humor." Because there is no substance to it. I'm almost offended that you tried to pass it off as European humor. That's insulting to Europeans!

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  50. mod parent up - nt by c0ldfusi0n · · Score: 1

    n/t

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  51. You're thinking of by crush · · Score: 5, Funny

    FirefoXXX

    1. Re:You're thinking of by Pushnell · · Score: 1

      Ah, that must be the ActiveXXX interface to the gecko engine.

  52. MOD DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    troll...

  53. Foxy Cleopatra by DanCentury · · Score: 2, Funny

    The key to Firefox reaching the masses it to appeal to the lowest common denominators: sex and fear. You can sell it via fear, by touting better security (there's not a lot in the mainstream press to prove that to the average Joe, but...).

    With sex, you could set Beyonce aka Foxy Cleopatra to do a commerical. Get it, "Foxy"? Maybe OG Pam "Foxy Brown" Grier?

    Or maybe a sexy anthropomorphic cartoon lady fox? Eh? Maybe? A sexy cartoon lady fox would be better than the "non-anthropomorphic fox soul-kissing the earth" which is what the logo looks like now. (That comment just bough me a Score of -1)

    1. Re:Foxy Cleopatra by clgoh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe something like this?

    2. Re:Foxy Cleopatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe a sexy anthropomorphic cartoon lady fox? Eh? Maybe?

      I'm so happy that I don't have to watch your dreams.

    3. Re:Foxy Cleopatra by da3dAlus · · Score: 1

      (-1 Furryfan)

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  54. mustache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The woman in the second movie is sporting a little stache.... These aren't really that funny...at all...

  55. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by MartinG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they don't give much clue as to what it does

    That's not neccesarily a bad thing. It's an old advertising trick to deliberately miss out some information in order to stimulate curiosity.

    Admittedly, this could be leaving out too much.

    I think what this might do it hurry those who do know what firefox is into getting round to trying it. I know I would if it made me eat telephones.

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  56. Bittorrent for 60 KB Shockwave Flash movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bittorrent makes sense for larger files.

    1. Re:Bittorrent for 60 KB Shockwave Flash movies? by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 1

      The *loader* is 60K. The actual video is larger. I wish they'd post it in a regular video format...

    2. Re:Bittorrent for 60 KB Shockwave Flash movies? by modecx · · Score: 1

      It makes just as much sense for smaller files--indeed files of any size. The download for all of the files is 3.7MB. If you had to host that and pay for it all by your lonesome when 500,000 people suddenly descend on your site, you'd be screaming! The tracker I'm connected to is indicating about 50MB/minute. That's quite alot of bandwidth if you had to pay for it. I've uploaded 45MB myself, and I'll keep it open till demand slows down.

      The more you can offload your bandwidth needs onto other people, especially if you're giving the content away for free, the better. It's also better from the standpoint of the people wanting to download--you're all but guranteed to get it, whatever the size and number of people requesting it are--at the cost of a tiny bit of your upstream bandwidth.

      Win win, as they say.

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    3. Re:Bittorrent for 60 KB Shockwave Flash movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      indeed files of any size

      Uh, it doesn't make sense for files that are smaller than the bittorrent protocol overhead.

    4. Re:Bittorrent for 60 KB Shockwave Flash movies? by modecx · · Score: 1

      Sure it does, if one user alone couldn't handle the demand. A POTS modem user could, for instance, with the help of BT, disseminate a 100KB file to thousands more people (even to other regular modem users) than his little pipe could do alone. Even for high demand files as small as 1MB BT makes lots of sense.

      The protocol is what? 20% of the size of the payload (probably mostly checksums for chunks)? I really don't know, but that's my guess. More than that would not make sense. It could potentially be useful for pretty small files--admittedly for lower and lower values of usefulness.

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    5. Re:Bittorrent for 60 KB Shockwave Flash movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The amount of data that the server has to send is probably not 20%, but whatever it is it has the form a*x+b. If the file is smaller than b/(1-a), then IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO USE BITTORRENT.

    6. Re:Bittorrent for 60 KB Shockwave Flash movies? by modecx · · Score: 1

      That's like saying that it dosen't make sense to drive cars when busses are more efficient.

      case in point:

      a)busses don't arrive when you want them to.

      b)busses don't always go where you want to go.

      If bittorrent is a 4x4 and it gets you to the mountians but sucks down more gas in the process, it still does it's purpose. If your purpose is to distribute a small file from a slow connection, with an outside higher bandwidth tracker, IT WILL WORK. Heck, once it's seeded the rest of the peers will probably take over for a good long time, and it didn't use your bandwidth except for a minute or two.

      It's like having a team of someone eles's horses pull your jeep uphill when you run out of gas! How can you argue against that? Humans do plenty of things that don't make sense (energy wise and monetarily, amongst others), but we still do it, and here we are! Jeepers!

      Maybe it would be more efficient if we all up and died! It'd probably make more sense too, for those chalenged of sensibility!

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    7. Re:Bittorrent for 60 KB Shockwave Flash movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, you're cheating. To be fair compare "bittorrent with an outside higher bandwidth tracker" against "FTP with an outside FTP server" from the point of view of the dialup user uploading his tiny file.

  57. Same old drill by gopher_hunt · · Score: 1
  58. No its not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    says it cant resolve the domain. unless its supposed to do nothign but throw up a firefox error message in which case that movie blows.

  59. Totally offtopic.... by XMyth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ahh yes...the things porn leads us to learn about computers....

    - Mastering file/directory filesystems.
    - Encryption
    - Clearing recently used documents
    - Splitting partitions (What's this K: drive, Jimmy?)
    - Writing filename obfusactors (using a password as an encryption seed no-less!)
    - Wiping all trails of browsing for a day, cookies, cache, history, etc..
    - Keyboard shortcuts like Alt+Tab, Alt+Space, N, Win+D, Alt+F4.
    - Tabbed browsing, sweet sweet tabbed browsing.
    - Popup blockers, minimizing your pr0n is useless when HOT YOUNG TEEN VIRGINS banners popup afterwards!
    - Back when those XXX password sites actually WORKED! (AdultChecks/AdultBouncers were easy to come by!)
    - Going on IRC to find those FTP servers and/or DCC bots with 5 to 1 ratios ! 4300 cps baby!

    This is just off the top of my head too...seriously.

    1. Re:Totally offtopic.... by IceAgeComing · · Score: 5, Funny

      Keyboard shortcuts like Alt+Tab, Alt+Space, N, Win+D, Alt+F4.

      Funny how they're all for the left hand.

      Coincidence? More discrimination against left-handers? Or...something else?

    2. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Laxitive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll add one to that: writing your first serious application.

      I annotated my entire collection which I traded on IRC. Since many fserves wanted certain things, and not others (no low-qual pics, no b&w pics, only lesbians, etc.).

      I wrote an app in python that parsed a manifest file that described all the files in a particular directory, and then let you trawl it using arbitrary boolean queries over boolean, integer, and string fields.

      The exact usage of the app went like this:
      reset (reset the set of working files to all files)
      men = 0 (remove any pic with men)
      women >= 2 (remove any pic with less than 2 women)
      hc = true (remove softcore pics)
      dump (dump working set to screen and pipe it through more)

      That's how you searched for HC lesbian pics :) You could also use 'or' to delimit multiple queries on the same line. No 'and's, though, since you could just simulate that by typing out the queries on successive lines.

      Oh man. I was so proud of myself when I got that written. I was 15 years old, just learning python. It was the first time I had programmed something that was of actual use to me.. that helped me in some real, tangible, immediate way. My IRC fserve efficiency went up an order of magnitude after that. Porn is a more powerful motivator than you can ever imagine. Especially for 15 year old boys with a lot of time on their hands. Ah, good times... good times.

      -Laxitive

    3. Re:Totally offtopic.... by XMyth · · Score: 1

      Hah! I hadn't noticed that. Incidentally I am left handed, so go figure.... :)

    4. Re:Totally offtopic.... by quiffhanger · · Score: 1

      Acutally, us left handers have an inherent advantage when surfing pr0n: our right hand is on the mouse, so we can use our favoured hand for... ;) -ross

    5. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting observation. I guess they were designed to keep the right hand on the mouse (computer mouse that is).

    6. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Darvin · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, as a left-handed person in a world run by the right-handers, i've been forced to use a computer like my right-handed overlords.

      I feel so oppressed. :(

    7. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the keyboard designers knew that most of the time, when those key combos are needed, the right hand is busy with something else.

    8. Re:Totally offtopic.... by kentmartin · · Score: 1

      Heh - Darwinism at work keeping you types from depositing anywhere there might be a risk of propogating that sinister DNA ;)

    9. Re:Totally offtopic.... by snorklewacker · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm a right-hander but .. hey wait, I am not going to have this discussion...

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    10. Re:Totally offtopic.... by atarione · · Score: 1

      Actually for the pr0n lefthandedness is pretty helpful since almost all of us use righthanded mice.

      however that said, someday Righty is going to Pay.

      Viva the Lefty Revolution.

      fucking righthanded facists always trying to keep a lefty down.

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    11. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You even forgot to tell about the wonders of wget -r and the use of gnome-moz-remote in shell for loops ...

    12. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      that helped me in some real, tangible, immediate way. My IRC fserve efficiency went up an order of magnitude after that. Porn is a more powerful motivator than you can ever imagine. Especially for 15 year old boys with a lot of time on their hands.

      a real *tangible* immediate way eh? sure it was *time* you had on your hands? either you intended those puns or you have a hidden talent for wordgames you need to use more(inbetween the pr0n surfing anyway) ;-)

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    13. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Noxx · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ahhhh...the benefits of being ambidextrous. So much better being able to handle the mouse with either hand.

      Yes, I said mouse. WTF are *you* thinking? :)

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    14. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Laxitive · · Score: 1


      The 'tangible' wasn't meant as a joke. The 'time on their hands' part, however.. yeah. Good catch :)

      -Laxitive

    15. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      OK..."snorkelwacker".

    16. Re:Totally offtopic.... by kevcol · · Score: 1

      Left handed keyboards:
      http://www.fentek-ind.com/modular.htm

      I am a rightie who started mousing 10 years ago with the left hand because of issues I had with RSI with my right arm, in effect, turning me into a left hander for computer use. I don't have any problems, but I may be missing something with problems you see personally from being a leftie using rightie layouts/interface design.

    17. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time.

      Good plan.

    18. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, the trick is to 1) use the opposite hand that you use for writing or throwing things (ie a left handed person should use their right) and 2) sit on your hand for a few minutes before .. until it gets tingly and has fallen asleep.

      The net affect being that it will not feel like "your hand" doing the work .. and is generally more enjoyable.

    19. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine what you can do now that you turned 16...

    20. Re:Totally offtopic.... by WWWWolf · · Score: 2, Funny

      And here I am today, deeply pondering and re-reviewing the underlying design and capabilities of my web app which uses flexible relation-based metadata (kept in PostgreSQL) and simple, yet powerful frontend (made with Ruby on Rails), providing extensible, flexible, easy to maintain, user-friendly system with rich front end, good editing capabilities, and multi-user security and collaborative features... (basically the whole boatload of buzzwords and there's more where it came from...) ...for storing furry images.

      The application is shaping up really nicely. Probably going to rock for any purpose if you have tons of drawings and other artwork to archive, and tag the heck out of everything. I just kept wondering how the heck I'm going to explain people these various porr-noggg-raphy-related fields. But knowing that people do code sophisticated software for these purposes as well, I guess I'll just mention those features with straight face. =)

    21. Re:Totally offtopic.... by da3dAlus · · Score: 1

      Wow, I didn't know Win+D did that! Why am I just learning this NOW?! Dammit.

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    22. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wheeze .... Oh to have been 15 in the era of Python.
      I remember hacking around on the C64 to figure out how to rename the images on strip poker.

    23. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's also known as "The Stranger"

    24. Re:Totally offtopic.... by InvaderXimian · · Score: 1

      Someone needs a girlfriend...

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    25. Re:Totally offtopic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about win+L

    26. Re:Totally offtopic.... by XMyth · · Score: 1

      My wife wouldn't approve.

    27. Re:Totally offtopic.... by CBDSteve · · Score: 1

      dump (dump working set to screen and pipe it through more)

      Of course. What ELSE could a 'dump' flag mean in this case..?

  60. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The idea is to create curiosity in the viewer. Once they go to the site, they will get to now what the ad is about. And, once they are visiting the site, it isn't a huge step to download the browser.

  61. MOD UP THOSE WORK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2k

  62. Ehhh, Okay.... by MikeBeck · · Score: 1

    .... Huh, Hilarious.. I think not....

  63. Re:mod u 4 by tsalaroth · · Score: 0

    that's the only funny thing i've ever seen come out of goat.cx.

  64. Oblig Simpsons quote by DrinkingIllini · · Score: 1

    "Look Smithers, Garbo is coming!"

    1. Re:Oblig Simpsons quote by AndersOSU · · Score: 1

      Gabo.
      sheesh if your going to make an obligatory quote, you might as well get it right

    2. Re:Oblig Simpsons quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "Gabbo".

    3. Re:Oblig Simpsons quote by DrinkingIllini · · Score: 1

      Actually, I am right, Burns mistakenly calls gabbo garbo. So suck on that.

  65. Not AVI/MPGs.... by unborracho · · Score: 1

    It should be noted that these aren't actually video files, rather shockwave flash objects embedded in HTML.. not exactly something that you torrent. They're not all that large either way.

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  66. slashdot video by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1

    Lets slashdot a video site.

    What could go wrong :-D /me saw that a week or two ago when it was a hit on the blogosphere.

  67. Extremely Funny? by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 1

    Ok... I like the idea of some ads for Firefox, but these are definitely not extremely funny. They're cute and made me smile, but something extremely funny would probably make me laugh outloud or wet myself.

    I'd like to see Firefox ads parody the dotcom Superbowl ads from a few years back. Perhaps something with that damn sock puppet or the E-Trade dancing monkey.

    All that said, any publicity is good publicity, so any ad is better than no ad at all.

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  68. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by alienw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Looks like you don't know much about marketing. You don't want to give the viewer much clue as to what something does. If you say up front "It's a web browser", people will think "oh ok i already have one, goodbye". If you make them think "what the hell is firefox?", they will click on the link and read the sales pitch on firefox.org (and quite likely download and try it). Much more effective.

  69. They're awful by PickyH3D · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Maybe I do not get the humor of a person screaming, or a persons head falling off (I guess I grew out of that when I passed my teenage years??).

    Stupid modern marketing and going for shock value instead of features. The notebook and office ones do not even show Firefox, aside from the link at the end. Oh ya, some rediculously stupid ad for it is going to intrigue me into downloading something.

    Feel/Taste/See the difference? TASTE? These are some of the worst "ads" I have ever seen.

    1. Re:They're awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you never licked you screen?

    2. Re:They're awful by The-Bus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would have to agree. They are atrocious. Whoever is helping promote Firefox/Mozilla doesn't know what they are talking about. First, a full-page ad in the New York Times won't be read by that many people. That money could've been used to get some stories or PR to be run in AP and a thousand small local papers in the "technology" section. The NYT ad was a waste of money.

      These ads, on the other hand, are even worse. They don't explain what Firefox is, they don't talk about it's advantages, and are therefore completely irrelevant. (Compare this to the AOL with Spamblocker buffet line ad, which is a lot better, even if the product isn't). Worse, they're not even funny. And then to top it all off, you try "viral marketing" them on a bunch of blogs --- these are people that already know about Firefox.

      I can guarantee that infomercials running in the morning advertising Firefox for $4.95 would be loads more succesful than this crap.

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    3. Re:They're awful by Sweetshark · · Score: 1

      Stupid modern marketing and going for shock value instead of features. This ad is not made for you.
      Oh ya, some rediculously stupid ad for it is going to intrigue me into downloading something.
      This ad is not made for you.
      Feel/Taste/See the difference? TASTE? These are some of the worst "ads" I have ever seen.
      This ad is not made for you.

      The people that choose a browser by its features/security already use Firefox or Opera. These ads are for the mindless AOLers that buy into stuff because its "cool". You dont get the guys careing for facts with ads anyway - they do thier own research.

    4. Re:They're awful by globalar · · Score: 1

      The advertising seems more directed at the Firefox community mindset than on communicating and appealing to the general public. The effect is that tech-minded groups are heavily interested in the promotions, but the average user simply disregards it as so much noise they have learned to filter.

      Besides, most people don't get excited about browser software (geeks and fans aside). Firefox can only be so important. The advertising minds need to find what that importance is and milk it.

    5. Re:They're awful by DThorne · · Score: 1

      I think the Times article was smart. These are just dumb. FF isn't even about making your jaw drop. It's about net security, new features to let you work faster and more efficiently, and really is more about being in the *background*, not the foreground. I applaud the aggressive moves to get FF into the public eye, but they paid the wrong people to come up with the creative, and worse, approved it. They aren't remotely funny, let alone *extremely* funny.

      This sort of stuff isn't even *necessary*, unless they're extremely edgy, controversial and yes, funny. Otherwise it reads like an amateur milk commercial.

      Were there any Google ads back in the day? Nope. Word of mouth, until CNN got a hold of it.

      DT

    6. Re:They're awful by gamer4Life · · Score: 1

      The money should be spent to pay off judges and politicians to force legislation to order Microsoft to include Firefox in Windows.

      That's the way things are usually done.

    7. Re:They're awful by Boiling_point_ · · Score: 1
      They don't explain what Firefox is, they don't talk about it's advantages, and are therefore completely irrelevant.

      "+5, Insightful" ?

      "Coca-Cola is a refreshing carbonated beverage containing the stimulating and addictive effects of sugar and caffeine. You should buy some because it outperforms competing drink brands."

      Honestly - have you not noticed that advertising has moved on in the past fifty years? If spelling things out literally was the best way to make people buy something, it would still be the dominant advertising paradigm. In our culture, in this place and time, that simply doesn't work as well as creative use of metonymy, association and suggestion.

      Eliciting an emotional response - be it humour, surprise, comfort or whatever - and then shoving a carefully managed brand in front of people DOES work. This is a brand awareness campaign - not a direct call to action, despite what it looks like.

      Think about your regular grocery shopping. Of all the things that you re-buy every week, how many brands can you honestly say you chose off the shelf at random the first time, without ever hearing about them somewhere first? Of course there'll be a brand of deodorant here and a packet of corn chips there that you just thought you'd try out and then you liked it, but everybody, sometime, chooses a product because it just looks more credible than the generic box next to it. You sound pretty savvy, so you, like me I hope, aren't as motivated by recognition and trust as most people are. For many people, that's almost the only reason they choose one brand over another.

      IANA Marketer, but I did it at uni, and work with some.

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    8. Re:They're awful by PickyH3D · · Score: 1
      Heh. I am not using Firefox or Opera. Good ol' IE. I do have Firefox installed occasionally for questionable sites that I am forced to check.

      As for the ads not being made for me. I still hold to the fact that they are horrible and give no reason to try the software other than extremely bad humour (I find it hard to believe Europeans enjoy this; our comedy cannot be that much more advanced...). Taste software? Does that appeal to anyone? I guarantee it does not appeal to the few friends I just showed it too; none of those do. These commercials do not have one ounce of coolness in them, and they make the software much less appealing.

    9. Re:They're awful by kwoff · · Score: 1

      I don't think they have to be that "informative" to be be effective ads, but I also agree that only an 8 year old from like 50 years ago would find those funny. I thought they were annoying in an almost Jar Jar Binksian way, FWIW.

  70. Firefox unkept by dalillama · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or does the girl in the "The Mobile" video have the biggest moustache ever?

  71. Very Brit/EU humor by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 0, Redundant

    enjoyable.

    [SPOILER WARNING]

    .

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    [SPOILER BELOW]

    The first video, the default one [NOT a good choice, sadly, for a default], has a man screaming his head off in astonishment and subsequent damage to his office building. Quite funny, and shocking, but you should turn the volume WAY DOWN before you go to the site because it's too loud. And since it's the default ... well, you get my drift.

    The second video, The Mobile, involves a young woman's intense fascination with Firefox. Warning: mobiles were harmed in the filming of this short, although one hopes of the edible chocolate kind.

    The third video, The Network, involves a young man who is so amazed his head ... well ... let's just say he's quite astonished, in a kind of jaw dropping way, if a bit more than that.

    Overall, quite amusing, although most Americans coming from a place which doesn't like that brand of humor will probably be complaining about them.

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    1. Re:Very Brit/EU humor by whitehatlurker · · Score: 1
      It's intriguing that people apply the tag "English humour" to these, when the filenames are obviously French. Anyway ...

      I am a fan of British humour, and of some French humour as well, but it has to be something I find amusing to begin with. The only one of these I found to be amusing was the second one (the Mobile).

      It's not a cutural thing (well, not a nationality based cultural thing anyway) ... these are just not that funny (well, the second one is).

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  72. Both by bjpirt · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows it'll make you go blind

    (disclaimer: yes I know dyslexia is not a sight issue)

  73. What is the message? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps it is Euro humor, but I don't usually scream in agony when I see something I like. Nor does my head fall off in bewilderment. I would get the impressions that these people were using IE and had a bunch of porn popups in the office or the lap top froze while typing email.

    However, I think the cell phone movie was right on. I'm not sure I would eat a cell phone because I was distracted by Fire Fox, however. :)

  74. Re:Extremely Funny? by dubdays · · Score: 1

    You're correct in that they're not "extremely" funny. They're more funny in a "they must have been smoking something when they came up with that" sort of way.

  75. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by DrinkingIllini · · Score: 1

    Actually, you're probably both right. Some users (particularly the older market) prefer the hard sell, and some prefer something more mysterious, both are effective in their respective markets.

  76. They need a fourth one by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1


    They need a fourth one called "The Hacker" with an ending tagline of "Be The Difference" with a button for "Donate Money or Coding Skills [Here]".

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  77. Re:Firefox unkept or is it the poster? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or does the girl in the "The Mobile" video have the biggest moustache ever?

    I think you need to clean your monitor.

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  78. Re:Spreading like wildfire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On a planet with thousands of billions of trees, couple thousand burning bushes is not exactly "spreading like of wildfire". Half of them are propably quite dry.

    Try picking on incorrect analogies for a change.

  79. Mirror of SWF files by alienfluid · · Score: 1

    Direct mirrors of the SWF files can be found on my blog. http://www.farhanahmed.net/blog/

  80. Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    ... or does the girl in "The Mobile" have a Billy Dee Williams moustache?

  81. Re:Extremely Funny? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see Firefox ads parody the dotcom Superbowl ads from a few years back. Perhaps something with that damn sock puppet or the E-Trade dancing monkey.

    Um, these are ads for the EU - the European Union.

    Why would they want to parody some American game show? Now, if you meant some killer football (the one that David Beckham plays, not the rugby variant in the US) parody, that might be appropriate.

    News flash: the world does not revolve around the US any longer, and hasn't since shortly after 2000.

    It's funny for them. You're not required to understand why.

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  82. I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this supposed to be some kind of British humor or something? Honestly, I'll laugh at just about anything but these adverts were just dumb. They don't even convey a clear message about whatever the hell the message is that they're trying to convey.

  83. Re:mod u 4 by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

    I can't believe you clicked it, don't you look at where links take you?

    OK, it was actually not bad for any goat*.*

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  84. Mirror by Exstatica · · Score: 1

    I found the flash files that were trying to load from the orginal here is a mirror.... http://www.exstatica.net/flash/firefox/theoffice.h tm http://members.dslextreme.com/users/exstatica/fire fox/theoffice.htm Enjoy.

    1. Re:Mirror by spoodie · · Score: 1

      Thanks, that was a lot less painful that sharing the slashdot effect with all the plebs.

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    2. Re:Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anytime.

      My server can handle it, no problem. The 3.0mbit GSH.DSL can't. :)

  85. any programing tips? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, do these vids give any advice on avoiding bloated complex software full of security holes? No? Didn't think so.

    Sorry Firefox, you're just the "open source IE".

  86. Cat got your tongue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This hype is great and can teach you that scream at any MS mention is as dumb as you think it is. In no way FF directly insulted IE: the media made this assumption for the masses. Just show to world your (good) work and the changes will come. Show that it really *just works*. It's that simple.

    Keep spreading...

  87. Not Maui X-Stream's VX30!! by itomato · · Score: 1

    The videos are swf (flash).

    There's some things being done with video > flash.. VNC can do it now, you just watched some videos.

    Adobe's stock will definately go up when they start tying Premeire into Flash or vice-versa.

  88. Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ive setup a mirror here, with the actual .swf files.
    http://www.kore-net.com/funnyfox/

  89. I thought so too by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 0, Troll

    And what the hell was the point? Was he screaming because firefox was good? Or that IE was bad? And it's not "british" humor as someone suggested. Just cause some fucking yank doesn't get something, it doesn't mean it's british humor. Sorry, bit of a rant. Either way, that was far from being entertaining, funny or relevent. Way to go funnyfuckfirefox.cum, you've actually turned me off to firefox. I'm getting Opera now just to rebel.

  90. What will happen to Firefox when IE 7 comes out? by Shinob1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally, I just made a switch from IE to Firefox. I like FF a lot, it reminds me of Safari. I use to have a G4 and I fell in love with the Safari browser. I later sold my G4 and went a long time without a computer. I'm a PC tech, and I need to hate having PC's at home b/c all I do is work on them. Now I have a 75% built windows machine to surf the web and run Doom3. Other than that I don't use my PC.

    My thoughts are though, since Billy has up'd the release of IE 7, I am sure he is going to make it a FF killer. I'm positive things like tabbed browsing and some other goodies are going to be in the new version. In addition, I wonder if Microsoft may use some of the same marketing ideas that FF is now using? MS is already showing the new Xbox 360 on MTV, could we see similar things with the new flavor of IE? Maybe they will reinvent their paradigm and try to reach users who have switched to FF and bring them back to the dark side?

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  91. Bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not making any sense doesn't make it funny. It's not Europeen humor- it's humor for retards. And I don't think all Europeens are retarded...are they?

  92. Not funny. by itomato · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Extremely funny". Who checks this crap?

    Extremely lame. It's like they thought, "Hey, let's get CRAZY!!" then they forgot where they were going with it.

    Let's get CRAZY!! WHOO! now we're all CRAZY!! Now what? Oh I know! Let's end here!

    Hey! Know what'll *really* slay 'em? She takes a BITE out of her CELL PHONE, and DOESN'T EVEN REALIZE!! How CRAZY is that?! Whoo!

  93. Fuck off, bigot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, because only Americans won't have the capacity to like them.. and anyone who doesn't like them must therefore be American.. go fuck yourself, you goddamn bigot.

  94. "extremely funny?" by drdanny_orig · · Score: 1
    I can't be the only one who found those slightly less than funny, can I? Just as a reminder,
    amusing: arousing or provoking laughter; "an amusing film with a steady stream of pranks and pratfalls"; "an amusing fellow"; "a comic hat"; "a comical look of surprise"; "funny stories that made everybody laugh"; "a very funny writer"; "it would have been laughable if it hadn't hurt so much"; "a mirthful experience"; "risible courtroom antics"
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    1. Re:"extremely funny?" by octaene · · Score: 1

      Man, I agree! They weren't funny, they were fuckin' stoopid. If I didn't know what Firefox was, I would have inferred from these vids that it was a pr0n accelerator or something.

  95. Re:mod u 4 by tsalaroth · · Score: 0

    my right hand is far more morbid than my left, and it controls the mouse...

  96. Uber bandwidth host by I+kan+Spl · · Score: 1

    Here isa mirror of the files, it on a university so you can *try* to slashdot it:

    http://people.ucsc.edu/~jhagen/portable1.swf
    http://people.ucsc.edu/~jhagen/bureau1.swf
    http://people.ucsc.edu/~jhagen/jeune1.swf

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  97. Re:Extremely Funny? by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 1

    So Europeans really find it funny when someone accidentally chews on their cellphone, they yell as loud as possible, or their head falls off? Based on my experience watching quite a bit of British comedy, it tends to be more sophisticated than American comedy (see Shaun of the Dead compared to Viva La Bam for an example). To get to the class of comedy these ads would be in (4th grade humor), you'd have to start at British comedy and go way past American comedy until you got to the comedy that really doesn't require any wit or intelligence to come up with. You know, like groin kicks? Har har.

    Besides, since when has the SuperBowl been a game show? Correct me if I'm wrong (I've only watched the last 15 of them), but I thought it was a sporting event. Not only that, but the most watched sporting event in the world each year.

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  98. Nope. by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    I've got a clean monitor, and she has a stache.

  99. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...I enjoyed watching them."

    Well, I can't say that they were really that enjoyable to watch. Personally, I didn't find them "extremely" funny. It was enough to get a "heh" out of me, but not something like GoDaddy's SuperBowl ad.

    Anyways, the rest of what you said was on par--well said, also.

  100. Answer: Nothing by Run4yourlives · · Score: 1

    Judging from some of the posts over at the IE Blog, IE7 won't be a firefox killer. With a project that started in January and a beta due out in a couple of months, it looks more to be a stop gap measure than a full on new release.

    Basically, it'll help prevent those that haven't already switched from doing so, but I doubt it'll be strong enough to bring back those who've already left.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see an IE8 in longhorn though.

    1. Re:Answer: Nothing by Shinob1 · · Score: 1

      I can see your point on that. However would that be an issue for FF, people not switching because some of the "cool" features are now included in IE?

      I think that IE should have had tabbed browsing a long time ago really. But MS is probably to busy patching security holes. = )

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  101. torrent link by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 4, Informative

    You mean like this one?

    1. Re:torrent link by AIX-Hood · · Score: 1

      Good stuff, thanks.

  102. Is it just me? by GarbanzoBean · · Score: 1

    When I look at this ads, this is the only thing that I can think of: they used IE and got spyware/adware installed by accident that is popping up really weird porn ads.

    1. Re:Is it just me? by azhrarn33 · · Score: 1

      That's about what I got. Certainly I don't want to show any of those to friends I'm trying to convince to switch. "Look, if you use this new browser, you'll eat your cellphone, destroy your workplace, and ultimately die by decapitation! Give it a shot!" "Hey, why are you running away?"

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  103. Re:Extremely Funny? by WillAffleck · · Score: 1

    So Europeans really find it funny when someone accidentally chews on their cellphone, they yell as loud as possible, or their head falls off? Based on my experience watching quite a bit of British comedy, it tends to be more sophisticated than American comedy (see Shaun of the Dead compared to Viva La Bam for an example).

    I see you missed half the jokes in Shaun of the Dead then. That's ok, it was funny even from an American perspective, but half of brit comedy is about the quiet desparation and all that.

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  104. Bullshit. by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    This is not "Brit" humor.

  105. Re:They're not American humour by alex_ware · · Score: 1

    They are not awful they are just not suited to your tastes. Slashdot is mainly American so will be expecting them to be US centric which they are not. The humour is not American but it is still funny. They have had a good effect in their TARGET audience, is that not what matters?

    Go on mod me down i have karma to burn.

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  106. where've you been hiding? by nine-times · · Score: 1
    Welcome to advertising in the 21st century. No ads these days explain what a product does or why it's better than competing products. Too much research has shown that the rational appeals of a "superior product" are pretty ineffective.

    Most ads these days don't even talk about the product, maybe don't even show the product. Think about a coffee commercial: In the '50s, coffee commercials talked about how their coffee was deeper, darker, and more delicious than their competition. Maybe there was a little jingle to go along with it. Now, they have some attractive couple sitting around having a sweet romantic conversation. Maybe someone in the commercial is drinking coffee, but that's about as much reference to the product as you get.

    I'd guess these commercials will probably be pretty effective at generating hype, and tech products live off of hype.

    1. Re:where've you been hiding? by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

      The problem with the coffee commercials are that people ALREADY KNOW it's about coffee. Think about a coffee commercial about a new brand called "Smiths". If they don't show the coffee, or even a coffee cup, and just say at the end "Buy Smith's"... who's gonna know what the hell it is??

      For something as "complicated" as installing an alternative web browser on your computer, the ads need to give people an idea of what they're going to get. The few people that actually do a google search for "Firefox" probably won't even download it.

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    2. Re:where've you been hiding? by nine-times · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but something as "complicated" as installing an alternative browser, most people who don't know how to do it and haven't already heard of Firefox won't do it anyhow. The key is to get it so, when their friendly neighborhood geek comes around, they say, "I saw this ad for Firebox, or whatever. You know that one with the guy yelling? Well, I need that, right?"

      I know, it sounds ridiculous, but that's how a lot of computer decisions get made. Someone who doesn't know anything gets convinced that they need something that they don't know what it is. I know people who don't understand that they can have e-mail without AOL. I know people who don't know the difference between Outlook Express and "the internet". And do you know why these people get uneasy when I mention the idea of installing Firefox? Because they've never heard of it.

  107. Mod parent up, working torrent link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make sure to mod parent up, I'll stay on and seed this for at least an hour or two.

  108. SWF Torrents Mirror. by technix4beos · · Score: 1
    I just uploaded these to my webhost who graciously allows torrent traffic. (Hurricane Electric rocks.)

    You'll find the torrents and more here:

    http://haikunews.org:6969

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    1. Re:SWF Torrents Mirror. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When's Haiku going to be at the beta stage? I fancy giving next-gen BeOS a shot, but I'm too lazy to CHECK OUT MY HOMEPAGE D00DS

  109. Video links by cshields2 · · Score: 1

    Here are the links to the videos (hosted on boxes outside of the webserver being slashdotted right now):

    http://video.funnyfox.org/?product=Bureau
    http://video.funnyfox.org/?product=Jeune
    http://video.funnyfox.org/?product=Portable

  110. Ugh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know I'm going to sound like a troll, but there is nothing even remotely humourous about these videos. If these were IE commercials, there would be endless flames about how idiotic they are. Nothing against Firefox, these just suck.

  111. Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I transfered the 60K file to a netless computer that has IE and Flash, and all I got is a black screen and a white "0%" in the middle. This is obviously not a link to the actual video.

  112. Re:Extremely Funny? by alex_ware · · Score: 1

    It is still totally irelavent in most of Europe, it might mean A LOT to Americans but the Olympics surely gets more viewers or maybe the World Cup (football AKA Soccer).

    Get over it, the EU has a different sense of humour to the US.

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  113. MOD PARENT UP! by rokka · · Score: 1

    Only working link in this thread

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  114. Please DON'T use the direct links.. by cshields2 · · Score: 1

    These files are mirrored on more than just TDS. Please use the redirector links I posted below so that TDS does not get hammered. Thanks

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=149252&thresho ld=0&commentsort=0&tid=154&tid=186&tid=1&mode=thre ad&cid=12511262

  115. Firefox Commercial by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

    Here's a nice computer-animated Firefox commercial made by some person(s) from SCAD.

    1. Re:Firefox Commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Horrible. Absolutely horrible.

    2. Re:Firefox Commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the horror, the horror.

  116. I'll be the first to admit... by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

    I don't get them.

    Are they excited to be using Firefox? Or should they change to Firefox to stop whatever happens to them?

    Really, someone please explain them to me.

  117. Come on by houghi · · Score: 1

    People tried to sneak in advertisement to slashdot in their articles. Now they just link to the advertising itself?

    It is called Viral marketing Thanks for bending over for the advertising companies.

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  118. N is left handed? by lullabud · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only a pr0n surfer would say that the letter N is a left-handed keystroke.

    1. Re:N is left handed? by pmazer · · Score: 1

      How is N even a shortcut by itself?

    2. Re:N is left handed? by GraemeDonaldson · · Score: 1

      It isn't. "Alt+Space, N" is the sequence to select Minimise from the Window menu on Windows.

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  119. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shit, they're for Firefox? I thought they were Infiniti ads...

  120. Thanks for the tip! by DogDude · · Score: 1

    I actually use my keyboard as much as possible to get around Windows, so I was surprised when I learned about Win+D from your post! Thanks for the info! It doesn't help with all keyboards of course (I have several of those old IBM clicky-clicky keyboards), but it's great for the newer ones!

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    1. Re:Thanks for the tip! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I dunno if it works on anything but stinkpads but my A21p came with a utility to remap keys. I remapped right-alt to the windows key. It might work on normal computers, too; seems awfully uncharitable if it doesn't, since IBM sells keyboards, too.

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  121. Re:Congratulations! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My what now?

  122. Hilarious by Tharkban · · Score: 1

    I'm laughing because they were so bad...

    What were they supposed to mean anyway?!

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  123. Especially if you find ... by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

    It's like eating your favorite food everyday, eventually you'll get sick of it.

    Especially if you find bugs in it.

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  124. Actual swf videos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and not the idiotic 60K loaders that others are linking/posting.

  125. No torrent = get what's coming to ya by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as I'm concerned, if they're too fucking stupid to put up a torrent, they deserve a good Slashdotting.

  126. Funny, but confusing to the 'normie' by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

    (Yes, that's a FG pun)

    Anyway, the videos are funny... but they're going to confuse the normal people. Who thinks everyone knows what Firefox is? And even if they've heard of it, do they know it's free? These videos don't even explain what the people are doing on their computers. Normal people will think "what the.." and then go back to whatever they were doing.

    Horrible, horrible advertising techniques!! Come on guys, stop thinking inside your own boxes!

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  127. girls girls girls by The+Nipponese · · Score: 1

    I'm sure it doesn't hurt that 2 of the 3 feature hotties.

  128. Mirror of Funnyfox.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  129. Good thinking... by jusdisgi · · Score: 1

    We wanted to start small as we were concerned that servers wouldn't be able to handle the load.

    Well, you've come to the right place...

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  130. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by geeber · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I agree with you totally. In fact, I know what firefox does - use it every day - but I am mystified by these ads. For example, are the people in the ads screaming and having their heads blown off because they just tried firefox and think it is the coolest thing since sliced bread? Or are they using IE and so totally annoyed at it they loose all semblance of sanity? Personally, I haven't a clue.

  131. Re:Extremely Funny? by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 1

    You misread what I posted. Shaun of the Dead is insanely funny to me. It was witty and subtle, which is what British comedy tends to be. The US version of The Office is one of the few American comedies that I can say the same thing about.

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  132. Funny huh? by Toba82 · · Score: 1

    Just watched them... and they are not even remotely funny. 404 File Not Funny is right...

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  133. Huh? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

    These are funny?

    Are you folks so insulated from reality that you found even one of these ads amusing? A guy screaming, a girl eating a phone, and a guy's head popping off. These are amusing concepts? This is what you call mirth? Do I have to be high to get it?

    The adverts are horrible. They don't convey a thing about firefox, and fail at keeping someone interested. I actually got sleepy watching the ads.

    It's like a dot com era ad. They don't tell you what they're doing, or why you should do it, and the ads don't make sense. GET FIREFOX - because this ad tells you to. Never mind what firefox is. The end screen could have said: "Get Firefox, the faster, smaller, free web browser."

    It almost makes me want to remove firefox.

    Worthless. Absolutely worthless.

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  134. Mirrors by HvitRavn · · Score: 1

    Take your pick:
    http://home.powertech.no/oracel/funnyfox/
    http://www.sjedu.no/funnyfox/

    I liked the bureau one the most, but none of them gave any really big laughs. Charming though :)

  135. [ INSERT LOGO / TAGLINE HERE ] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Er...these weren't made for Firefox at all. Someone just happened to buy the rights to slap a Firefox logo on it at the end.

    Slightly humorous but otherwise totally useless.

  136. ...and by itomato · · Score: 1

    ...and that hot jet exhaust streaming from the CRT on his desk gave him a Mentos-gasm.

    Daring? European?

  137. or... by rbochan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Pornzilla ;o)

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  138. Promos... by VAXcat · · Score: 1

    This is great! I hated it when Fox canceled the series for no good reason. These promos should really help build an audience for the Serenity movie when it comes out in September. Ohh...wait...Firefox...nevermind...

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  139. EXTREMELY funny? by DeXtroMe · · Score: 1

    This is like the fourth place I've seen this story posted with the same or similar wording, and I must ask, how many of us here are so socially inept that they find these ads 'exremely' funny. You must be he same people hat laugh whenever they see a dancing singing cat in a commercial.

  140. StarFlops? by Frangible · · Score: 1

    Thanks, I was looking for a term for Ep 1/2!

  141. No, the NYT ad was worth the money. by chuhwi · · Score: 1

    The NYT ad was worth the money, because there was a ridiculous amount of press about this strange phenomenon where users of a browser were so moved as to donate money for its promotion. Creations like these videos may not in and of themself attract users. However, the effort people put into promoting firefox will continue to raise awareness.

    1. Re:No, the NYT ad was worth the money. by PlacidPundit · · Score: 1

      What press was that? It may have happened, I just don't remember seeing anything other than on Slashdot. Were they talking about it on cable news networks, for instance?

  142. Re:Congratulations! by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sorry. You don't deserve proper grammar. Now go chew on a log, fuckface.

  143. use the source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what are you complaining about? you have the source, why dont you code something :)

  144. These make Firefox look bad by GoClick · · Score: 1

    These aren't good at all. I can't tell weather the people are pissed off at Firefox or Something else.

    Hell it doesn't even tell people what Firefox does.

    I should hope these don't end up on TV, wow look people, use Firefox and you'll feel like crap.

    In as far as promotional video goes this is awful.

    I hope they didn't pay for these

  145. Funny? by ZeroZen · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else find these commercials not funny, and even a little morbid? I just don't get the joke, and the morphing of heads and faces just creeps me out.

  146. Rejected ads by zrk · · Score: 2, Funny

    These were deemed too unsavory

    Bedroom

    Late night, guy surfing, withthe only illumination coming from the screen. Moaning noises coming from the computer (pr0n implied). Closes with 'touch the difference'

    Bathroom

    Woman, seated, gets this bug-eye expression while scribbling with her stylus. Ends with 'smell the difference'

  147. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by flibble-san · · Score: 1

    People will watch these and wonder what Firefox is. A quick type on google and bammo. Ads that don't tell you exactly what a product is makes people want to find out for themselves. Shame these 'funny' commercials are nowhere near funny. They suck, sorry.

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  148. Oh look, another stumpfucking bigot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming it was an American that said it was "british humor"

  149. "inspired" by the 2003 PowerMac G5 Ad? by nokiator · · Score: 1

    Doesn't the "Office" video for Firefox look a bit too much like one of the original PowerMac G5 ads where the user was literally blown away.

  150. Hahaha... by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    I was trying to download some papers from a prof's website at your school at for some reason my connection kept randomly timing out...

    That must be the reason why. :-)

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  151. firefox and torrents by nazsco · · Score: 1

    getting a torrent is way too much trouble...

    what about letting the browser treat it like another protocol?

    torrent://1.2.3.4/video1.torrent

    and the browser deals with loading the hash file and conecting to peers and all the hassle. so to me, it's just another download link...

  152. Re:Extremely Funny? by MynockGuano · · Score: 1

    The Super Bowl is well-known to be the highlight of television advertising, at least in the U.S.. The commercials rarely have anything to do with the sport or the event (no moreso than you'd usually see with a commercial during a football match, whatever your flavor), they just usually tend to be highly entertaining. There were some really funny dot-com ones in the past few years, some obviously done with a low (production) budget. The one he was referring to was, if I remember correctly, was just a 20 second or so clip of a monkey doing something really stupid, with a quip at the end remarking how they just spent 2+ million dollars to show a monkey doing something stupid on TV during the Super Bowl, and how you could probably put your own money to better use by visiting their site.

    The difference is there was a message with the humor. Personally, I thought there was very little humor in the Firefox ads regardless, but where they truly missed was the "grab." You want the humor to be tied with your product, so that the thought of one triggers the other (i.e. thinking of the joke reminds you of the product, seeing the product makes you smile because you think of the joke). The last thing you want to do is spend money to make an extremely funny commercial about which people will struggle to remember the next day, "now what was that commercial for, again? Oh well, no matter--at least it was funny."

    Disclaimer: I am a coder geek and not a marketer in any way, but that seems to just make logical sense to me.

  153. More mirrors by agoodm · · Score: 1

    Its unfortunate to see all the mirrors are dieing so im going to be very kind and offer my fast server as a fast mirror that will handle the load fine. the link to the home page is http://files.photojerk.com/alan/www.funnyfox.org/i ndex.html Its taking ages to download the files from the overloaded server so the completenes of the mirror will improove slowly. Anyone can use the support form on our homepage to contact me and ill gladly mirror sites for them. Alan

    1. Re:More mirrors by agoodm · · Score: 1
  154. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by milimetric · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know, I totally agree. The promised "funny"-ness of the videos also left to be desired. For example, I watched the videos while at work and I didn't laugh once. However, listening to a sound bite from Cadyshack (specifically when the groundskeeper tells Bill Murray to kill all the golfers) made me blow chunks of candy shell and chocolate along with water on my laptop screen in the middle of a serious database discussion.

    Now, more to your point sir, I think these would be more informative:

    Show a split screen: Internet Explorer on the Right and Firefox on the left. pan back to show the users: A grandma on the left and a geeky bill gates look-alike on the right. Put a big word on the screen (like volcano) and a countdown 3... 2... 1... GO! Then the grandma and the geek start browsing the web for volcanos using their respective browsers. Show how easily Control Click and tab navigation coupled with the smooth popup blocker and the search engine at the top right lead to results. Also show how the internet explorer user is stuck in a sea of popups and gets malware installed on his computer so it runs slower and has to go to the task bar to navigate through all the pages he's opened and keeps having to install search bar helpers or go to different websites to search for everything. Grandma wins, and a firefox pounces in between them and puts her hand up boxing style. Now that's entertainment.

  155. For some reason... by Teja · · Score: 1

    I see that these ads are perfect for putting on the side of Yahoo Launch Radio windows. Or any free internet radio services. Short 30 second clips and at the end is a link to Firefox. I'd imagine that they'd sway in quite a bit amount of users.

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  156. Re:Congratulations! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I meant to do that, really!"

    Much like I am sure you meant to be the sixth person to post the same jejune joke.

  157. PLEASE NOTE THESE MIRRORS ARE FAST by agoodm · · Score: 1

    Please let the strain off of the site and use the many mirrors posted here. Alan

  158. Re:Extremely Funny? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    The difference is there was a message with the humor. Personally, I thought there was very little humor in the Firefox ads regardless, but where they truly missed was the "grab." You want the humor to be tied with your product, so that the thought of one triggers the other (i.e. thinking of the joke reminds you of the product, seeing the product makes you smile because you think of the joke). The last thing you want to do is spend money to make an extremely funny commercial about which people will struggle to remember the next day, "now what was that commercial for, again? Oh well, no matter--at least it was funny."

    Disclaimer: I am a coder geek and not a marketer in any way, but that seems to just make logical sense to me.


    Ah, but while I may be a coder geek, my first degree was in Business Management for Sales and Marketing. And I did win an award back in the late 1980s for a humorous play written in French and English in Canada. So I do think it's funny and I don't expect you to get it.

    It's a free series of ads. From that bar it's very good. If we had 2+ million dollars (or even better Euros) to waste on an ad as you mentioned, I would have different expectations. But we don't. Because they aren't spending that kind of cash.

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  159. Negative brand exposure? by msimm · · Score: 1

    The ads are somewhat amusing, but I find them disturbing. Don't get me wrong I'm all about being disturbed: but by my browser? Why.

    In the future I hope they learn how to spoof existing campaigns (Apple/Dell) and leave the disturbing part to the individuals choice of website.

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    Quack, quack.
  160. Totally LOSER ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been really disappointed with the marketing of FF.
    First they decide to run ads in NYT.
    I didnt approve, but to help the cause, i did.
    I donated.
    Then they run the ad, and nowhere is my name to be found.
    So they apologize with excuses as to why it didn't take.
    And then they promise me either a refund or a large corrected poster of the ad names.
    Nothing.
    I email them, they dont respond.
    No poster, no refund.
    Its sorta a donation, so thats ok.
    But if they're gonna promise something to make amends, that's when it changes, and i DO expect whatever they promise.
    Now, some folks have worked hard to make video ads, which is good. But the ads are content poor.
    Never does any of the 3 show FF, or even IE (blowing up, popups, etc.).
    So far, they are really just riding the coattails of the majority, looking for alternatives from MS.
    I initially was wowed by FF, but with all the security blemishes, the mozilla error reporting poping up on me every week, i am wondering, WTF.
    If MS comes up with a robust IE version, which they are famous for doing combacks, I will go back to IE. Something I would NOT have considered, if the FF bunch was a bit more careful and serious about what they're doing.
    FFF.
    Do you know what that stands for? :D

  161. Classic problem with bad advertising by RomulusNR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These guys clearly either haven't really done much work in advertising... or else they have, and failed miserably.

    What must be the number one problem with a lot of advertisements over the past couple of years, especially for new products, is that the advertisers spend too much time being weird, funky, shocking, and funny, and COMPLETELY FORGET ABOUT THE FRICKIN' PRODUCT.

    At any given moment I can rattle off a commercial I've seen whose content really stuck with me, but I couldn't for the life of me tell you what the hell they were advertising.

    Like that Dodge Ram commercial where the middle aged guy is making the two salespeople turn the truck back and forth.

    Wait a minute, that's not a Dodge Ram commercial at all, it's a Vehix commercial. Well, at least we were close with this one, it's car related somehow.

    Or what about those commercials about the company with the tech support department that is so good it can tell you if something is funny? Wait, that's for TBS. Who doesn't actually provide that service at all.

    And these ones are for that website thats so crazy and shocking that it makes your head explode. Right?

    These ads don't say anything - I mean, nothing at all - about what's good about Firefox. All they say is that it'll make you scream, or decapitate you. A little balance with some message of benefit might help.

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    1. Re:Classic problem with bad advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      They haven't failed miserably. I agree with the GP post that the ad is not good but it's not the reasons you describe that is the problem.

      The ads you're complaining about are designed to implant an emotion in your brain associated with whatever product they're advertizing -- i.e. you go surfing on the web and you see an firefox icon so something fuzzy triggers in your brain telling it is somehow interesting and you click on the icon. THAT's where you get the information about the product.

      You try to tell in a short ad like this why the product is cool will just bore people.

      Unfortunately this ad itself fails, although trying hard, by creating a somewhat confusing emotion -- or maybe that's the point after all, getting that slight sense of confusion to trigger the watcher to go clarify what the heck a "firefox" is when they next see that foxy icon somewhere on the net. Hmmm..

      I still don't like the ad though, I'm more entertained by the emotions of humor than confusion...

    2. Re:Classic problem with bad advertising by RomulusNR · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, Firefox itself does not appear in these commercials in any way.

      The product is missing from its own commercial. That's a pretty classic failure.

      Couple the mystery of "what is this thing?" and the trepidatious "what will it do to me" and I think you have a pretty bad formula for selling something, about as bad as it gets.

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      Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
  162. And the point of this commercial was...? by Noxx · · Score: 1

    First off, I am a Firefox user and enjoy it despite the inconvenience of working in an IE/MS environment...so save the flames for your steak tonight. With that said, what exactly was the point of those ads? They said exactly nothing about the product or the benefits it would give the user...the people featured could have just seen anything from a BSOD to naked pictures of Jar-Jar Binks. Remember, to most of the world Firefox is a book by Craig Thomas (or a Clint Eastwood movie, if you prefer). How about at least mentioning the words "web browser" in the ad?

    By all means, get the word out about Firefox and convert the masses before their collective heads pop off...but do it by telling people what you're offering and how it will benefit their lives, not by showing a cute dot-com type commercial that only works if you're *already* a known brand.

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    Study everything, you'll find something you can use - Jason Bourne
  163. Alexa showing Funnyfox.org monster spike by otisg · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Alexa showing Funnyfox.org monster spike by pl1ght · · Score: 0

      Some would call it a success, some would call it slashdotting. See hwo big the spike is 2 days from now after the word is out how lame the commercials are.

    2. Re:Alexa showing Funnyfox.org monster spike by otisg · · Score: 1

      I agree. They are not that cool nor innovative. But they ride the hype/buzz wave pretty well.

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    3. Re:Alexa showing Funnyfox.org monster spike by Sir+Pallas · · Score: 1

      First, your links are messed up. That's what preview is for. Second, the statement is misleading. Yes, Microsoft.com has less traffic than Google.com. BUT it's only in the number 3 spot, as per Alexa: Yahoo is #1 and MSN is #2. Those sites are at about 300,000 and 280,000 million hits, but Google is down around 200,000.

  164. Something that would REALLY be funny. by StreetChip · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Show the guy in the office again but this time show him surfing using IE. Then show him hitting a malware page that replicates a virus to his computer , the virus while running also plays an audio clip "You have been infected by GayPornLover.exe, Internet Explorer victims are so easy!" Now have him screaming over that while in the background you see all of the other networked computers in his entire building catch the same virus from him as the building begins to crack and crumble to the ground. Have him still screaming while the entire building breaks up and falls to the ground, him included. Flash forward to the guy in a full body cast in the hospital, 1 leg up, where he says: "My company would still exist today if I had only used Firefox." The existing ads are crap BTW, not funny, not even interesting. They are just dumb.

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  165. Oh yeah? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    I don't even have shockwave installed, you insensitive clod!

  166. Wow, totally unfunny, Good job. by pl1ght · · Score: 0

    These commercials are a complete waste of bandwidth. They make no sense, and are not funny in anyway imagineable.

  167. My Ad by triso · · Score: 1

    Here's my contribution to the anti-microsoft rebellion. It is in the form of a 30 second ad:

    INT - MARY'S HOME OFFICE.
    [Mary is seen banging her hand down on her desk]
    MARY:
    Damn!
    [John comes into the picture]
    JOHN:
    Hey Mary, what's wrong?
    [In a frustrated voice]
    MARY:
    My computer is as slow as molasses...
    and all those pop-ups...
    I can't get any work done.
    JOHN:
    That's because you're using Windows XP and Internet Explorer.
    [Mary turns to John and looks into his eyes.]
    MARY:
    Go on.
    JOHN:
    I use Linux and I'm never going back. No more blue-screens-of-death, pop-ups, no spam, no worms and no spy-ware.
    MARY:
    But I'm not a geek.
    JOHN:
    Linux isn't just for geeks anymore and it's free. You can share it with your friends, too.
    MARY:
    Sounds great. How do I get copy?
    JOHN:
    I'll bring the disks and install it for you on Saturday.
    [Mary is now elated]
    MARY:
    Sounds like a plan. Can I go down on you?
    JOHN:
    Sure!
    [Fade to black]
    VOICE OVER:
    Linux...Look for the Penguin.
    SFX: Zipper opening
    MARY:
    Oh John, I never knew.
    [SFX: Slurping sounds.]

  168. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by keymygrip · · Score: 1

    Yes, that and they really weren't funny. I am sorry if I am being snobby, but I thought they were predictable and the jokes rather tired (uh oh, is she going to eat something besides the candy bar?)

    So yeah, not funny and not descriptive of the product. That should appeal to the demographic "people who are not already using Firefox." Overall well done I say.

  169. Give this one a try by simdan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You might be interested in this spot. Made by a student no less.
    http://studentpages.scad.edu/~eedwar21/firefoxweb. htm

  170. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1
    Such teasers can work in some industries, but not in the computer industry.. "woa! is this some new software?! I better click this and download it!!" .. most people would get this in their email (or whatever) and be like "this might be software, I better not click anything.. DELETE! DELETE!"
    ...and yet self-installed spyware and other malware continues to proliferate. Huh. How odd. ;)
  171. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

    I agree. These spots were worth a smirk. But then, so much web multimedia humor that gets spread around is in that category. I can't say that GoDaddy's ad was any better.

  172. I'm a big firefox fan, but... by Smelly+Toejam · · Score: 1

    I did not find any of these commercials to be "extremely funny"...

  173. thank you! by F�an�ro · · Score: 1

    thank you!

  174. Not to be an Ass by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

    But these are incredibly stupid. I sincerly doubt people will go use Firefox because they are going to have a better orgasm when they see the computer screen, or whatever these commercials are supposed to show.

  175. Now, now by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    don't make me fist you with a rule of pennies for your impudance. NYAR!

    1. Re:Now, now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think any of those words mean what you think they do.

      Actually, I don't have any idea what "rule of pennies" means either.

  176. European viral humor lost on American nerds by mattOzan · · Score: 1
    I didn't think they were that funny either, but that's because my humor gland is petrified after a lifetime of watching craptacular American sitcoms.

    Have you ever seen a Mentos commercial? That's what people are used to and expect in Europe. If you tried to show some Friends-wannabe or Dodge-Ram-Tough-type Firefox commercial there they'd be regarding you with the same puzzlement and derision.

    Plus, I think most are missing out on the stated "viral" nature of these adverts. Yes, they left out lots of product information; that's what qualifies as a "viral" ad campaign. It is solely about building buzz, interest and name recognition--not listing off product features and advantages.

    1. Re:European viral humor lost on American nerds by viva_fourier · · Score: 1

      Or, maybe the Europeans have a virus that affects their funny bone...

      Seriously, even if their is some element of humor here that is lost in cross-cultural translation, there is no point to these ads.

      If they exist to generate a buzz as you have suggested, I think they shot themselves in the foot. Case in point: I read of the ads here on slashdot and proceeded to view them with my firefox-using coworkers. "Thank you for wasting our time" and "Why does Firefox need to run stupid ads" and "Is the new Opera release any good" are all comments that are part of the *buzz* you mentioned...

      If Firefox succeeds in confusing its own users with this "ad-campaign", what are the potential-users going to think?

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      and now back to the fallout shelter...
  177. Office: IE user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I thought the guy in the office was an IE user and he had just gone to a porn site and gotten 1 million popups and that's why his head asploded.

  178. by 'extremely funny' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you mean 'just stupid'... right?

    1. Re:by 'extremely funny' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rock on, AC. I hear ya. lame.

  179. I think the link's broken by untaken_name · · Score: 1

    You said the link was to some 'incredibly funny' videos. The link took me instead to some not-so-funny ones. Could you post the correct link, please?

  180. No full-screen by Kagami001 · · Score: 1

    No full-screen mode, either.
    Very annoying on high-res displays.

  181. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's called building a brand

  182. um.. by Zulu · · Score: 0

    am I the only one who finds these pretty stupid?

  183. Firefox sux compared... by Zyleth · · Score: 1

    Why bother using a less than worthy web browser called Firefox, when you could use the excellent new browser called Opera 8. FireFox doesn't even compare!!!

  184. Re:Cool ads, but I don't think they promote Firefo by Feztaa · · Score: 1

    "it's something to do with computers"

    Or, more correctly, "it's something to do with computers that will either a) make you scream until your office explodes, b) make you eat your cellphone, or c) make your head pop off"

    I'm not sure entirely what it was about firefox that was this amazing. It's still the same internet as you'd see in any other browser.

  185. What?! by conran · · Score: 1

    They made no sense at all... I did get a laugh out of having a guy SCREAM while I had the volume up at work, though. I figured you'd have to click a link to start the videos so I just opened the site up in a new tab and kept browsing /.

  186. "Extremely funny"? by Frodo+Crockett · · Score: 1

    Did the submitter link the wrong website?

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  187. Test your DUB IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any dub-savvy guys around here?

    If so, answer this:
    What is the song playing on THE NOTEBOOK video?

    Fire at will...

  188. WTF are you talking about? by orionware · · Score: 1

    1) Not that funny. at all. seriously. not. not even slightly.

    2) If anyone gets that excited over a freakin browser, especially one that allows web sites to WRITE files it the drive and execute them, they need to be pushed down a splintered flight of stairs - twice.

    3) I use Firefox (love the web developer plugin!) and while I really dig it, it's simply a way for me to view the web. It's not curing cancer for fuck's sake.

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    Karma means nothing to me, so suck it...
  189. The Funniest Part Is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That a fresh new Firefox Install on Windows 2K Professional CAN'T VIEW THE VIDEOS!

    Hahahahahaha!!!!

  190. They aren't real... by (el)Capitan.Nick · · Score: 1

    Obviously microsoft or some clever enemy of firefox made these advertisements with the knowledge that it would turn us against the browser. An insider, a traitor amongst them!

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    "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what's right." -Isaac Asimov
  191. Re:ummm by Splintax · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, but those promo vids were hardly "extremely funny". The Firefox fanboyism here is incredible.

  192. UK/Benelux/Scandic humor with an "elite" slant by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Don't worry if you don't get it.
    This type of commercial is fairly normal in the UK, Benelux and Scandinavia. It tries to inherit both from those who are pointed into something you don't expect seeing (usually Monty-Python-like funny, using modern sfx) and those that have an elite stance that only a certain group can understand or that lives of people not understanding what it's about right away.
    The thing that is strange about it is that it combines a strong humorous concept with a rather 'serious' concept.
    Anyway, whatever you think, these commercials are made by professionals and are quite good actually. They're just so absolutely unsuited for the american market and watching habbits. That's all.

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    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
  193. actually by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 1

    it's meant to be roll of pennies. And I meant fisting in the sense of me shoving my fist into an orafice. The roll of pennies would be kept in my fist. Thusly, it's more painful.