"The Supreme Court's recent ruling overturning the warrantless use of GPS tracking devices has caused a 'sea change' inside the U.S. Justice Department, according to FBI General Counsel Andrew Weissmann.
Or, Mr. Weissmann, you and the FBI could have just picked up a copy of the Constitution. Even a cursory reading of the 4th Amendment would have told the FBI that affixing a GPS device to someone's vehicle without even the nicety of having paid a judge a visit was eventually going to get the lot of you in a legal pickle and likely mean the Supreme Court would toss it out.
I recommend the FBI get a copy of the Constitution. It's available at your local library, at many bookstores. Hell, there's got to be a hundred thousand websites out there that have the full text.
Someone who is willing to break the law to try to fix the vote isn't likely going to care about any other law. Properly, the law should be written so that if any malfeasance like this is proven, the election results are vacated and a new election run.
Quite frankly I find reading hypertext manuals and the like a lot more difficult than straight serial text with footnotes and references. But at least there's some justification for "click here to get more information on..." In fiction, it just makes things more awkward and hard to follow. It becomes a horrible distraction.
This is a country that effectively has two governments, neither of which actually controls large portions of the country.
One thing I can say with certainty. In two or three hundred years, historians will look on the existence of Pakistan as an independent state from India as one of the worst tragedies in 20th century history. It's the country that should never have existed.
(Not that India is much better with its own desire to control what its citizens see on the intertubes.)
WTF? We're talking about fully functional mail systems including all the features he claims he invented, at least three years before his program even existed. GUI mail program in 1973. Check. Mail with cc and bcc by 1975, check.
No modern mail system descends from his system. The majority of email systems out there are direct descendants of the ARPAnet systems. The header formats have a clear descent back to 1971, the mbox format in place by 1973. He didn't do fuck all.
Your analogy is bullshit. The proper analogy is some guy building a car years after other automobiles were built and up and running, copyrighting the name of it as CAR and then going around claiming he invented the CAR.
If you can show even one single email system after his software that is in the least bit based on his software then you might have something. But you don't, because it was a dead end, not based on any of the functional systems that came before it, and not inspiring any of the systems that came after it. If anything, the actual inspiration of modern mail clients is Elm, which was specifically designed to be compatible with mail and mailx.
Fucking apologetic AC retard. No wonder you post AC. Probably too fucking stupid to even figure out how to get an account.
So far as I can tell, he has no role in computer history. His program did not inspire the next major stage in email, which was Elm (which pretty much inspired all the later major email programs like Pine, Eudora, Pegasus and so forth), and I think Elm, with its continued compatibility with the mbox format (which in turn dates back to the early 1970s) indicates a pretty clear line of descent.
He wrote an email program in 1978. At best that makes it an offshoot of the development of said systems, an evolutionary dead-end. Meanwhile, the various descendants of ARPAnet's mail system continue to this very day.
He didn't invent email or the UI. He's full of shit. Beyond that, the reason to bring up ARPANet mail systems is because the email we use nowadays via SMTP, POP3 and IMAP is a direct descendant of those mail systems dating back to the early 1970s (and a somewhat indirect descendant of earlier mail systems). This guy's program, so far as I can tell, inspired no later mail system. If you can show me where the guys that wrote Elm in the mid-1980s were inspired by this software, that might even be something, but a survey of history indicates that their inspiration was mailx, present in Unix v7, which was written to be compatible with the mail command, which had been present in one form or another since Unix V1 back in 1971.
Every one of this guys claims have been debunked, so why are you still defending his very obvious lies?
I guess there might be a case for misrepresentation, though I'll wager the licensing agreement allows the company to do whatever they like.
The real solution here is, of course, not to pay these guys. Don't play their stupid game. If their stunt loses them customers, they're not likely to try it again.
If there is an RFC from 1975 detailing "to", "from" and "bcc", it in all likelihood means the features were already out there and this was simply formalizing them. There are numerous email programs, in the ARPA tree and out of it, who had these or similar features many years before this guy wrote his program.
BCC was present in RFC680, from 1975. The Unix V6 mail program didn't explicitly have mail folders, but from what I can tell of the man page for the Unix V6 mail command ( http://man.cat-v.org/unix-6th/1/mail ), the notion that mail could stored somewhere other than the.mail file in the home directory did exist in 1975. The Unix V7 mail command (you can find its man page at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/v7vol1.pdf on page 112) most certainly does support saving mail to multiple mailbox files (and what is an mbox file but a bloody folder, which is essentially what Thunderbird still uses with an additional index file). It's that basic multiple mbox structure that programs like Elm and Pine would ultimately build on top of. MH that appears to be from around 1979 also handles multiple mail folders.
So no, the guy didn't invent bcc or multiple mail folders either. He didn't invent the first GUI mail system, which was probably Xerox's Laurel.
I don't give him credit for that, because the fact is that the notion of an electronic mail system (much more specific than the very broad notion like electronic communications system) dates back to the first half of the 1960s, at least, and most certainly the antecedent of the modern email client dates back to 1971, with the first official description of a standardized header format that we would recognize as being Internet/ARPANet email dating back to 1973.
Another poster has found RFC196 as an early mailbox protocol in 1971, but the earliest variant of a recognizable mail format would be RFC561 from 1973, which gives a header format that would be recognizable to pretty much any modern mail client.
From what I can tell, RFC561 mail was distributed via FTP. But cool on you for finding an ARPANet antecedent to 561, that pushes it back to the original mail command.
What I can't figure out is how the piece of shit thought he wouldn't be outed? If he's so fucking smart, he must surely have realized that all the information showing him to be a conman can be found in about five minutes.
And how did he copyright it? Register it? Send himself registered mail with the word "email" in the envelope. I think he's a liar from top to bottom. ARPANet email had been around for over a decade by the time of this alleged copyrighting, and older email systems had been around several years before the Unix V1 mail command.
Quite right. There are a number of different formats. But the most widely used one is based on RFC561 all the way back in 1973 (though I imagine it only formalized what guys like Ray Tomlinson had already been doing for a couple of years). Both UUCP and SMTP were built specifically with this basic format in mind, since by the time they were developed, it had been in use for years.
Even if he is the first to use the term "email" (which I don't believe), electronic mail messages that even a modern email user would recognize had been in use for the better part of seven years by 1978. The guy is a liar, and he's trying to cover it up with clever semantics games. One can trace the evolution of modern email systems with trivial ease from the Unix version 1 mail command through the RFCs detailing out header formats, message body encoding, UUCP and SMTP transmission protocols right up to RFC2822 in 2001. I don't see this asshat's name on any of the RFCs or as an author of any of the mail variants. He's a liar, or nuts. In either case, if I was MIT, I'd be looking at giving this moron his walking papers.
The mail command dates back to v1. And the earliest RFC (561) stating the structure of ARPANET mail messages dates back to 1973. That's talking about direct ancestors of modern mail systems based on RFC 822. But just about any modern email program would be able to open up an RFC 561 formatted message and display it correctly.
I was referring to Unix-style email, which is the granddaddy of most the email passed around today. By 1973 there was RFC 561, which was, so far as I'm aware the first description of a proper ARPANET text message.
Which he didn't. The ancestor of the mail systems used on the Internet today was the mail command from the original versions of Unix, way back around 1971 or so. This guy is either a lunatic or a liar, but the one thing he isn't is the inventor of email.
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At the same time, what this evil bastard did needs punishing.
Or, Mr. Weissmann, you and the FBI could have just picked up a copy of the Constitution. Even a cursory reading of the 4th Amendment would have told the FBI that affixing a GPS device to someone's vehicle without even the nicety of having paid a judge a visit was eventually going to get the lot of you in a legal pickle and likely mean the Supreme Court would toss it out.
I recommend the FBI get a copy of the Constitution. It's available at your local library, at many bookstores. Hell, there's got to be a hundred thousand websites out there that have the full text.
Someone who is willing to break the law to try to fix the vote isn't likely going to care about any other law. Properly, the law should be written so that if any malfeasance like this is proven, the election results are vacated and a new election run.
Quite frankly I find reading hypertext manuals and the like a lot more difficult than straight serial text with footnotes and references. But at least there's some justification for "click here to get more information on..." In fiction, it just makes things more awkward and hard to follow. It becomes a horrible distraction.
This is a country that effectively has two governments, neither of which actually controls large portions of the country.
One thing I can say with certainty. In two or three hundred years, historians will look on the existence of Pakistan as an independent state from India as one of the worst tragedies in 20th century history. It's the country that should never have existed.
(Not that India is much better with its own desire to control what its citizens see on the intertubes.)
WTF? We're talking about fully functional mail systems including all the features he claims he invented, at least three years before his program even existed. GUI mail program in 1973. Check. Mail with cc and bcc by 1975, check.
No modern mail system descends from his system. The majority of email systems out there are direct descendants of the ARPAnet systems. The header formats have a clear descent back to 1971, the mbox format in place by 1973. He didn't do fuck all.
Your analogy is bullshit. The proper analogy is some guy building a car years after other automobiles were built and up and running, copyrighting the name of it as CAR and then going around claiming he invented the CAR.
If you can show even one single email system after his software that is in the least bit based on his software then you might have something. But you don't, because it was a dead end, not based on any of the functional systems that came before it, and not inspiring any of the systems that came after it. If anything, the actual inspiration of modern mail clients is Elm, which was specifically designed to be compatible with mail and mailx.
Fucking apologetic AC retard. No wonder you post AC. Probably too fucking stupid to even figure out how to get an account.
Yes. It's called installing Chrome or Firefox.
So far as I can tell, he has no role in computer history. His program did not inspire the next major stage in email, which was Elm (which pretty much inspired all the later major email programs like Pine, Eudora, Pegasus and so forth), and I think Elm, with its continued compatibility with the mbox format (which in turn dates back to the early 1970s) indicates a pretty clear line of descent.
He wrote an email program in 1978. At best that makes it an offshoot of the development of said systems, an evolutionary dead-end. Meanwhile, the various descendants of ARPAnet's mail system continue to this very day.
The Xerox Alto had a GUI email program in 1973.
He didn't invent email or the UI. He's full of shit. Beyond that, the reason to bring up ARPANet mail systems is because the email we use nowadays via SMTP, POP3 and IMAP is a direct descendant of those mail systems dating back to the early 1970s (and a somewhat indirect descendant of earlier mail systems). This guy's program, so far as I can tell, inspired no later mail system. If you can show me where the guys that wrote Elm in the mid-1980s were inspired by this software, that might even be something, but a survey of history indicates that their inspiration was mailx, present in Unix v7, which was written to be compatible with the mail command, which had been present in one form or another since Unix V1 back in 1971.
Every one of this guys claims have been debunked, so why are you still defending his very obvious lies?
I guess there might be a case for misrepresentation, though I'll wager the licensing agreement allows the company to do whatever they like.
The real solution here is, of course, not to pay these guys. Don't play their stupid game. If their stunt loses them customers, they're not likely to try it again.
If there is an RFC from 1975 detailing "to", "from" and "bcc", it in all likelihood means the features were already out there and this was simply formalizing them. There are numerous email programs, in the ARPA tree and out of it, who had these or similar features many years before this guy wrote his program.
He's been corrected plenty enough, and he still seems to be shamelessly shilling. When exactly does ignorance become dishonesty?
The To:, CC, BCC and subject lines all date back to the early 1970s. He didn't invent any of it. RFC680, from 1975, states all of these.
The guy is a lying sack of shit.
BCC was present in RFC680, from 1975. The Unix V6 mail program didn't explicitly have mail folders, but from what I can tell of the man page for the Unix V6 mail command ( http://man.cat-v.org/unix-6th/1/mail ), the notion that mail could stored somewhere other than the .mail file in the home directory did exist in 1975. The Unix V7 mail command (you can find its man page at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan/v7vol1.pdf on page 112) most certainly does support saving mail to multiple mailbox files (and what is an mbox file but a bloody folder, which is essentially what Thunderbird still uses with an additional index file). It's that basic multiple mbox structure that programs like Elm and Pine would ultimately build on top of. MH that appears to be from around 1979 also handles multiple mail folders.
So no, the guy didn't invent bcc or multiple mail folders either. He didn't invent the first GUI mail system, which was probably Xerox's Laurel.
The guy is a liar.
I don't give him credit for that, because the fact is that the notion of an electronic mail system (much more specific than the very broad notion like electronic communications system) dates back to the first half of the 1960s, at least, and most certainly the antecedent of the modern email client dates back to 1971, with the first official description of a standardized header format that we would recognize as being Internet/ARPANet email dating back to 1973.
Another poster has found RFC196 as an early mailbox protocol in 1971, but the earliest variant of a recognizable mail format would be RFC561 from 1973, which gives a header format that would be recognizable to pretty much any modern mail client.
From what I can tell, RFC561 mail was distributed via FTP. But cool on you for finding an ARPANet antecedent to 561, that pushes it back to the original mail command.
What I can't figure out is how the piece of shit thought he wouldn't be outed? If he's so fucking smart, he must surely have realized that all the information showing him to be a conman can be found in about five minutes.
And how did he copyright it? Register it? Send himself registered mail with the word "email" in the envelope. I think he's a liar from top to bottom. ARPANet email had been around for over a decade by the time of this alleged copyrighting, and older email systems had been around several years before the Unix V1 mail command.
Quite right. There are a number of different formats. But the most widely used one is based on RFC561 all the way back in 1973 (though I imagine it only formalized what guys like Ray Tomlinson had already been doing for a couple of years). Both UUCP and SMTP were built specifically with this basic format in mind, since by the time they were developed, it had been in use for years.
Even if he is the first to use the term "email" (which I don't believe), electronic mail messages that even a modern email user would recognize had been in use for the better part of seven years by 1978. The guy is a liar, and he's trying to cover it up with clever semantics games. One can trace the evolution of modern email systems with trivial ease from the Unix version 1 mail command through the RFCs detailing out header formats, message body encoding, UUCP and SMTP transmission protocols right up to RFC2822 in 2001. I don't see this asshat's name on any of the RFCs or as an author of any of the mail variants. He's a liar, or nuts. In either case, if I was MIT, I'd be looking at giving this moron his walking papers.
The mail command dates back to v1. And the earliest RFC (561) stating the structure of ARPANET mail messages dates back to 1973. That's talking about direct ancestors of modern mail systems based on RFC 822. But just about any modern email program would be able to open up an RFC 561 formatted message and display it correctly.
I was referring to Unix-style email, which is the granddaddy of most the email passed around today. By 1973 there was RFC 561, which was, so far as I'm aware the first description of a proper ARPANET text message.
Which he didn't. The ancestor of the mail systems used on the Internet today was the mail command from the original versions of Unix, way back around 1971 or so. This guy is either a lunatic or a liar, but the one thing he isn't is the inventor of email.
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