The reference to the thief was that both parties are doing something illegal. The security system is in place to prevent the thief from stealing my DVD player, the increased border security is in place to prevent the illegal alien from entering the county undocumented.
Also, I did not advocate fines for illegal border crossings, I advocated fines to the US employers of illegal aliens. The illegals can be shipped back home, free of charge to them, by Uncle Sam.
So, my question to you is do you think we should even monitor the border then? Should we just let anyone in regardless of background?
The benefit to Mexican immigrants is that if they come over legally, they are protected by things like the Minimum Wage Act and OSHA. Illegals are not. They can be treated like dirt and have no recourse, because if they complain, they get deported. I would rather see that they are offered the same protections I have.
My entire point is that it would be better to expand the worker visas granted to Mexican nationals and give them some protection than to let them cross illegally and get shafted.
I like the way you think >:) First, we localize them, then show up where they are sending this crap from, drag them into the street, and bitch-slap em silly...then we feed them to the flying monkeys.
I have not gotten any spam related to Vioxx, but oh my god I get hundreds of spam messages a day telling me I won a free iPod/Gateway Computer/XBox/etc. or that I am eligible for a cash advance.
Has anyone on this site actually answered one of those emails and received anything? Headaches not included. I assume they are a scam...probably crafted by Halliburton...yea...evil Halliburton.
I think there should be a special level of hell reserved for spammers...right along side the flying monkeys from the Wizard of Oz. Damn, those monkeys scare the hell of of me...I mean, they used to...uh, gotta go.
I have been trying to find a reason to dig that old C-64 out of the closet and this just might do it. I hope they release a sequel to Buggy Boy. That is such an awesome game.
Who owns the copyright to Pong...I think I might have a plan....mwhaaa-haaa-haa
I am not sure what you mean with the idea that tightening our borders has anything to do with the citizens of Mexico. Are you saying something analogous to the idea that if I install a security system on my house, I am taxing my neighbor the thief? Or, are you asking if I think it is important to ensure workers are here legally and paying the proper income taxes?
My answer to the second part is yes, I believe that if they wish to come up here and work, they should pay the same income taxes that regular working American's pay.
Secondly, you have the main point of my position completely wrong. I do not think it is okay for illegal immigrants to do any work in the US. I am for legal immigration. If people want to come here legally, more power to them.
Ya know, I read a bunch of articles, but that had the cleanest text. I could have quoted Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132832,00.html, but I figured people would accuse me of conservative bias.
Every article said pretty much the same thing. I am sure the TImes article was cobbled together from other places. I am familiar with the moonies and find them to be quite different. But, that does not change the fact that the article was factually correct according to numerous other sources. If that was the only source, I would not have used it.
France currently contributes some 500 soldiers to the over 5,000-strong ISAF force which has been maintaining security and order in Kabul and surrounding areas since December 2001 under a United Nations mandate.
France is also helping train the fledgling new Afghan National Army together with the United States, Thorette said.
However, so far France has no troops in the over 115,000 US-led coalition troops deployed across the country to hunt down remnants of the Taliban and al-Qaeda network.
Mostly, their troops are glorified police officers. Their troops did not see anything like the action the US Special Forces saw in Afghanistan. In fact, most of their ground troops came into areas that had already been secured by the US.
All I am saying is that the French government is not as altruistic as they would like people to believe. They are saying here that they are protecting the last bastion of gaming within France. So, I should believe that statement like I should believe that they did not want us to invade Iraq due to concerns about peace. Come on. They--and the Russians--were making money hand over fist off of this program without concern about the people of Iraq.
Certainly the republicans who have supported the war are enjoying the egg on France's face with this, but I do not make this point as a republican....because I am not a republican. I make this point because France is a bunch of socialist, cheese-eating, surrender-monkeys. Having the US get involved in war was okay by the French when their asses were getting brutalized by a dictator, but not okay when someone else is in that situation? Fine. I couldn't care less if the French like the US or not.
There is a rumor that EA simply wants to get in on a new Ubisoft game. The premise of the game is that the player is the head of a French bank and collects fees from an Iraqi dictator who is supposed to be using the money in his account to pay for food and medical supplies for his people, but is really funneling it to terrorists and arms dealers.
You get bonus points for lobbying the UN to not sanction a war in Iraq so that you can keep collecting fees from the account.
As I said at the beginning the of the paragraph, that was an attempt at humor. I understand that these are standard disclaimers that are--for the most part--worthless; the actual value comes in if the company has the integrity to enforce what is contained in that disclaimer. However I will say they do make some nice socks.
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I agree that people ought to put up or shut up. I have a brother who is a site foreman for a contruction crew. He does his best to ensure that his workers are legal and that his subcontractors hire only legal employees. Sure, he could make more money--as his bonus is based on site profit--but he is of the same mind as me. Hire those who have come here legally.
What I am saying is expand the worker visa program. Allow the visas to meet the demand. I work with several people that are on worker/student visas and enjoy it thoroughly. Provided there are jobs available, allow them to come. But document them.
One other thing about your post. I think for the most part we agree. I also think that employers, such as good ol' Jim Bob, who blatently hire illegals ought to be harshly punished.
Finally, on a humorous note, I generally buy Columbia brand socks. I am funny about socks and these are my favorites. They are generally not cheap, although I usually get them when they are on sale. Checking with Columbia, I found http://www.columbia.com/investor/standards.cfm. So, not only am I not buying those cheap Walmart socks, but I am also checking to make sure my sock manufacturer is not employing slave labor to the best of their ability.
"Scientists are concerned that the Information Age is nurturing 'cognitive overload,' an umbrella term for the malaise people feel as a result of distraction, stress, multitasking, and data congestion related to increasingly sophisticated technologies."
Heck, I feel malaise when I can't read stories on Slashdot, listen to ESPN radio, drink coffee, write some code for a DSP simulation, so on and so forth. Is it stressful sometimes. Yes. Am I exhausted some nights after work. No doubt. But I don't think I have ever experienced malaise.
Malaise for me is driving a dump truck all day, painting buildings, or something like that. Not that there is anything wrong with those activities. Lest I offend someone. However, they are definitely not for me.
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I am not sure if your post was directed at me or not, but I will respond nonetheless. I can see boths sides of it fairly well. I think you missed my point. Demand should not dictate violation of law. I have no problem with increasing immigration, what I have a problem with is increasing illegal immigration. I want to ensure these people are who they say they are and I want to be sure they are contributing to society and not to the tax burden.
I am sure there are plenty of law-abiding immigrants who would love to meet the demand here. Let's allow more worker visas to fill that need. If they come here legally and do the right things, they can become citizens then. But just saying that there is demand, so come on over by any means is problematic on a lot of levels. Check out the tex burden to the citizns of Arizona and California sometime for illegals using government sponsored health care. Legal immigrants are more likely to have health care through work or to purchase a plan for their family.
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I live in Nebraska where the Mexicans, mostly illegal, have taken over a lot of the jobs considered blue collar--mainly in beef and pork processing. In fact, one meat processing company used to have a sign on the Mexico side of the Texas/Mexico border advertising for work here. So, I guess a benefit to this road will be that these illegals will have a much quicker time to get up here.
I am actually okay with immigrants taking those jobs...I sure don't want to cut pig's asses out all day. However, I think there should be better inforcement of immigration laws and a tightening of the border. With a road this large, it just seems to me that illegal crossings will be much easier. I think for the U.S to support the Mexico/Texas part of this, there should be some serious thought about illegal crossings.
You are right, I spend much more time drinking coffee than I do messing with qmail....I have a mail utility that gets my mail without problems. I hope I do not need to apologize for being efficient that way.
I also agree it is not fair to compare my machine to a Dell (i.e. a pinto). I mean, Dell makes some great space heaters, but I am not so sure about their computers.
I also recognize that Linux is much more evolved than in 1998. I probably exagerated that point more than I intended. It is simply my opinion that I will pay a little more for a machine that I do not have to worry about. If I am doing some work remotely and need to plug into someone elses printer, I can...and it works...pretty easily. That is not always true of Linux.
I completely agree Obi. I am not saying Linux is bad. I am just saying that I have a lot on my plate without having to worry about writing a bunch of device drivers. With my Mac, I start out of the box with a much higher level of functionality than I would with a Linux machine. I have a co-worker/friend who loves Linux. But, when we recently added an 802.11 network in the office, it took him a little longer to sync up with it than I would have liked to have spent. In fact, I configured the wireless router and had my Mac online with it faster than he took just to get online with it. And our wireless network is not an out-of-the box configuration. Anyway, I felt like this illustrated my point about Linux. Time=Money and I do not want to spend my time writing device drivers for my laptop.
I have a 12" G4 Powerbook running Panther. It has 512 MB of Ram, a 1 GHz processor, a 40 GB hard-drive , and blows the doors off of similarly priced Windows/Linux laptops. My machine simply works. I have had this laptop 1 year and it has only hung twice....and keep in mind I rarely shut it down. Try that with a windows machine. I have no problems working with printers, cameras, 802.11 networks, etc. Sometimes that can be a challenge with Linux. I am in a highly technical field and find that my Mac is well-suited for almost all of the software I need to use. With OS-x, I have the ability to do things in UNIX very simply. I used to have a Windows machine and had so many more problems with it. I rarely have difficulty now. In fact, aside from beta software I am testing, the only applications that seem to crash with any regularity are the MS Office for Mac apps. Go figure. I know these machines are more expensive, but to me time=money. The time I do not have to spend pulling my hair over a buggy, virus-laden windows machine or writing drivers and other apps for a linux machine is worth much more than the extra cost of this laptop.
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The reference to the thief was that both parties are doing something illegal. The security system is in place to prevent the thief from stealing my DVD player, the increased border security is in place to prevent the illegal alien from entering the county undocumented.
Also, I did not advocate fines for illegal border crossings, I advocated fines to the US employers of illegal aliens. The illegals can be shipped back home, free of charge to them, by Uncle Sam.
So, my question to you is do you think we should even monitor the border then? Should we just let anyone in regardless of background?
The benefit to Mexican immigrants is that if they come over legally, they are protected by things like the Minimum Wage Act and OSHA. Illegals are not. They can be treated like dirt and have no recourse, because if they complain, they get deported. I would rather see that they are offered the same protections I have.
My entire point is that it would be better to expand the worker visas granted to Mexican nationals and give them some protection than to let them cross illegally and get shafted.
I like the way you think >:) First, we localize them, then show up where they are sending this crap from, drag them into the street, and bitch-slap em silly...then we feed them to the flying monkeys.
I have not gotten any spam related to Vioxx, but oh my god I get hundreds of spam messages a day telling me I won a free iPod/Gateway Computer/XBox/etc. or that I am eligible for a cash advance.
Has anyone on this site actually answered one of those emails and received anything? Headaches not included. I assume they are a scam...probably crafted by Halliburton...yea...evil Halliburton.
I think there should be a special level of hell reserved for spammers...right along side the flying monkeys from the Wizard of Oz. Damn, those monkeys scare the hell of of me...I mean, they used to...uh, gotta go.I have been trying to find a reason to dig that old C-64 out of the closet and this just might do it. I hope they release a sequel to Buggy Boy. That is such an awesome game.
Who owns the copyright to Pong...I think I might have a plan....mwhaaa-haaa-haa
In a concurrent news release, NASA confirmed reports that the previous crew was filming a remake of the Simpson's episode Deep Space Homer. See http://www.thesimpsons.com/episode_guide/index.htm
When NASA officials learned about the food shortage, they replied, "D'OH!"
"Mmmmmmm, forbidden doughnut"--Homer J. Simpson
I am not sure what you mean with the idea that tightening our borders has anything to do with the citizens of Mexico. Are you saying something analogous to the idea that if I install a security system on my house, I am taxing my neighbor the thief? Or, are you asking if I think it is important to ensure workers are here legally and paying the proper income taxes?
My answer to the second part is yes, I believe that if they wish to come up here and work, they should pay the same income taxes that regular working American's pay.
Secondly, you have the main point of my position completely wrong. I do not think it is okay for illegal immigrants to do any work in the US. I am for legal immigration. If people want to come here legally, more power to them.
Ya know, I read a bunch of articles, but that had the cleanest text. I could have quoted Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132832,00.html , but I figured people would accuse me of conservative bias.
Then, I thought about quoting the Sunday Times from the UK:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-12 91280,00.html but who knows who might own that.
I also thought about quoting a French source. http://www.investigateur.info/news/articles/articl e_2003_05_5_auchi.html, but I think I have made my feelings clear about the French.
Finally, I considered a source from Pittsburgh, http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/middlee astreports/s_273762.html, but was afriad I would be branded a Steelers fan.
Every article said pretty much the same thing. I am sure the TImes article was cobbled together from other places. I am familiar with the moonies and find them to be quite different. But, that does not change the fact that the article was factually correct according to numerous other sources. If that was the only source, I would not have used it.From: http://english.people.com.cn/200306/24/eng20030624 _118783.shtml
Mostly, their troops are glorified police officers. Their troops did not see anything like the action the US Special Forces saw in Afghanistan. In fact, most of their ground troops came into areas that had already been secured by the US.
Actually, it is Halliburton. And yes, I do have some information on them:
You can probably look for that CEO job here: http://www.halliburton.com/careers/index.jsp
Here is what you will be in charge of: http://www.motherjones.com/news/featurex/2003/07/w e_455_01.html
But, be warned, as the CEO of Halliburton, you have those pesky democrats spreading lies about you.
All I am saying is that the French government is not as altruistic as they would like people to believe. They are saying here that they are protecting the last bastion of gaming within France. So, I should believe that statement like I should believe that they did not want us to invade Iraq due to concerns about peace. Come on. They--and the Russians--were making money hand over fist off of this program without concern about the people of Iraq.
Certainly the republicans who have supported the war are enjoying the egg on France's face with this, but I do not make this point as a republican....because I am not a republican. I make this point because France is a bunch of socialist, cheese-eating, surrender-monkeys. Having the US get involved in war was okay by the French when their asses were getting brutalized by a dictator, but not okay when someone else is in that situation? Fine. I couldn't care less if the French like the US or not.
There is a rumor that EA simply wants to get in on a new Ubisoft game. The premise of the game is that the player is the head of a French bank and collects fees from an Iraqi dictator who is supposed to be using the money in his account to pay for food and medical supplies for his people, but is really funneling it to terrorists and arms dealers.
You get bonus points for lobbying the UN to not sanction a war in Iraq so that you can keep collecting fees from the account.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041118-As I said at the beginning the of the paragraph, that was an attempt at humor. I understand that these are standard disclaimers that are--for the most part--worthless; the actual value comes in if the company has the integrity to enforce what is contained in that disclaimer. However I will say they do make some nice socks.
I agree that people ought to put up or shut up. I have a brother who is a site foreman for a contruction crew. He does his best to ensure that his workers are legal and that his subcontractors hire only legal employees. Sure, he could make more money--as his bonus is based on site profit--but he is of the same mind as me. Hire those who have come here legally.
What I am saying is expand the worker visa program. Allow the visas to meet the demand. I work with several people that are on worker/student visas and enjoy it thoroughly. Provided there are jobs available, allow them to come. But document them.
One other thing about your post. I think for the most part we agree. I also think that employers, such as good ol' Jim Bob, who blatently hire illegals ought to be harshly punished.
Finally, on a humorous note, I generally buy Columbia brand socks. I am funny about socks and these are my favorites. They are generally not cheap, although I usually get them when they are on sale. Checking with Columbia, I found http://www.columbia.com/investor/standards.cfm. So, not only am I not buying those cheap Walmart socks, but I am also checking to make sure my sock manufacturer is not employing slave labor to the best of their ability.
Heck, I feel malaise when I can't read stories on Slashdot, listen to ESPN radio, drink coffee, write some code for a DSP simulation, so on and so forth. Is it stressful sometimes. Yes. Am I exhausted some nights after work. No doubt. But I don't think I have ever experienced malaise.
Malaise for me is driving a dump truck all day, painting buildings, or something like that. Not that there is anything wrong with those activities. Lest I offend someone. However, they are definitely not for me.
I want my information....and I want it now.
I am not sure if your post was directed at me or not, but I will respond nonetheless. I can see boths sides of it fairly well. I think you missed my point. Demand should not dictate violation of law. I have no problem with increasing immigration, what I have a problem with is increasing illegal immigration. I want to ensure these people are who they say they are and I want to be sure they are contributing to society and not to the tax burden.
I am sure there are plenty of law-abiding immigrants who would love to meet the demand here. Let's allow more worker visas to fill that need. If they come here legally and do the right things, they can become citizens then. But just saying that there is demand, so come on over by any means is problematic on a lot of levels. Check out the tex burden to the citizns of Arizona and California sometime for illegals using government sponsored health care. Legal immigrants are more likely to have health care through work or to purchase a plan for their family.
I live in Nebraska where the Mexicans, mostly illegal, have taken over a lot of the jobs considered blue collar--mainly in beef and pork processing. In fact, one meat processing company used to have a sign on the Mexico side of the Texas/Mexico border advertising for work here. So, I guess a benefit to this road will be that these illegals will have a much quicker time to get up here.
I am actually okay with immigrants taking those jobs...I sure don't want to cut pig's asses out all day. However, I think there should be better inforcement of immigration laws and a tightening of the border. With a road this large, it just seems to me that illegal crossings will be much easier. I think for the U.S to support the Mexico/Texas part of this, there should be some serious thought about illegal crossings.
You are right, I spend much more time drinking coffee than I do messing with qmail....I have a mail utility that gets my mail without problems. I hope I do not need to apologize for being efficient that way.
I also agree it is not fair to compare my machine to a Dell (i.e. a pinto). I mean, Dell makes some great space heaters, but I am not so sure about their computers.
I also recognize that Linux is much more evolved than in 1998. I probably exagerated that point more than I intended. It is simply my opinion that I will pay a little more for a machine that I do not have to worry about. If I am doing some work remotely and need to plug into someone elses printer, I can...and it works...pretty easily. That is not always true of Linux.
I completely agree Obi. I am not saying Linux is bad. I am just saying that I have a lot on my plate without having to worry about writing a bunch of device drivers. With my Mac, I start out of the box with a much higher level of functionality than I would with a Linux machine. I have a co-worker/friend who loves Linux. But, when we recently added an 802.11 network in the office, it took him a little longer to sync up with it than I would have liked to have spent. In fact, I configured the wireless router and had my Mac online with it faster than he took just to get online with it. And our wireless network is not an out-of-the box configuration. Anyway, I felt like this illustrated my point about Linux. Time=Money and I do not want to spend my time writing device drivers for my laptop.
I have a 12" G4 Powerbook running Panther. It has 512 MB of Ram, a 1 GHz processor, a 40 GB hard-drive , and blows the doors off of similarly priced Windows/Linux laptops. My machine simply works. I have had this laptop 1 year and it has only hung twice....and keep in mind I rarely shut it down. Try that with a windows machine. I have no problems working with printers, cameras, 802.11 networks, etc. Sometimes that can be a challenge with Linux. I am in a highly technical field and find that my Mac is well-suited for almost all of the software I need to use. With OS-x, I have the ability to do things in UNIX very simply. I used to have a Windows machine and had so many more problems with it. I rarely have difficulty now. In fact, aside from beta software I am testing, the only applications that seem to crash with any regularity are the MS Office for Mac apps. Go figure. I know these machines are more expensive, but to me time=money. The time I do not have to spend pulling my hair over a buggy, virus-laden windows machine or writing drivers and other apps for a linux machine is worth much more than the extra cost of this laptop.