I think you are right. Entering WEP keys suck when it's masked. Many wireless devices for computers come with software that allows the user to do just that. Just good foresight on the part of the programmer, I say. Other non-computer wireless devices should do the same.
And, surprise, that's exactly what TFA recommends! Quote:
Yes, users are sometimes truly at risk of having bystanders spy on their passwords, such as when they're using an Internet cafe. It's therefore worth offering them a checkbox to have their passwords masked; for high-risk applications, such as bank accounts, you might even check this box by default. In cases where there's a tension between security and usability, sometimes security should win.
Anyone that enters their password into a computer at a net cafe is asking for problems, regardless if they like to see stars or not.
I think the shoulder surfing problem is only for people that hunt and peck, or for targets with a high levels of secret information that need to worry about people recording their key strokes with audio or video devices (a la Sneakers the movie). I think for the most part, most people type most of their passwords pretty quickly so shoulder surfing is less of an issue.
Actually, there are four types of people in the world:
1. Those who keep on repeating "10 types - binary" joke.
2. Those who loves telling "3 kinds - can not count" joke repeatedly.
3. People who hate above mentioned jokes and whine about it.
4. Everybody else who does not give fuck.
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There must be a 5th, because you don't fall into any of those categories...
1. You didn't tell a binary joke,
2. You didn't tell a 3 kinds joke,
3. You didn't really spread any hate, or whine...really,
4. Obviously you give a fuck, because you took the time to post something.
So what's number 5? Those that like to make lists about how other people don't know how many types there are, and give a fuck enough to post of slashdot?
/pkbt
Unless you are a computer or some other type of being that knows how to use a computer...I hadn't really thought of that though.
If I may weigh in on the subject, I can offer some insight.
I bet the $21 price tag does come with restrictions. It is probably "non-production" use only. I recall buying Visual Studio during school, and inside the readme.txt (or maybe license.txt) file it went into detail as to how the various types of licenses apply. Is it a boxed copy? Is it just a license sticker? More info is required.
As for have a "worth", you're right, many companies do this to establish a newbie fee. Anyone that isn't aware of the various sources for any given product will likely pay the highest marked value. Take car parts for example. I bought a pretty simple device, called a purge valve solenoid the other day. I was quoted $33, at which I was a little shocked. The sales clerk said "well, I could charge you list price!" with a bit of a smirk. I laughed a bit, and said that it was ok, I like my money in my pocket just fine...he said list was going to be $50.
All companies sell stuff, and they establish various prices based on their customer. Some companies hide them, charge the public the highest price, but give their returning customers a discount.
In my above case, the car parts store cares more about making a sale than fleecing its customers, so they are willing to show the different prices (they know that another store is willing to sell at a lower price, so they do as well). And this is the point. Stores will sell products at a price that is acceptable by most people. If every other car parts store sold at list price, I would have been charged $50. Same thing with Microsoft's apps and OSes, there are many places that sell them at lower prices, so people expect it.
How much does Windows or Office cost? It depends on the buyer. There are OEM and Retail version of these licenses. If the buyer is Dell, HP, Gateway, or the like, they pay a very small amount (XP Pro OEM is likely near $30, Office 2007 Small Business OEM is likely near $130) because these companies have to support them, not Microsoft. Retail versions, completely different angle. Microsoft has to support them. In essence, Retail versions include a support fee in the price. Supposedly, any OEM is supposed to charge a little bit extra to cover support costs...so the raw dollar value of the OS/app is low.
Having said that, Microsoft's requirement to have a properly license OEM version is pretty relaxed. One could buy XP Pro OEM for around $135 at one point, as long as some piece of hardware was included in the sale (a hard drive, cpu, ram, memory stick). Thus Microsoft doesn't support it (no calling them if something isn't working...which is how MS likes it. I bet over 95% of all Windows sales are OEM), you get a piece of hardware all for less than the cost of the retail version.
So yes, the retail price is an inflated price so that they can say "Wow! You can save $300 off the full price!", which is good marketing-speak...which is something we all know Microsoft has a lot of experience.
I doubt it's subsidized by the TDSB...it's more like they have a bit of leverage because they'd buy so many licenses.
Nuff said.
(sorry, no time to proof read my post...if I goofed anything up, it's because I'm goofy)
Well, there's two sides to this story...and there's no 'good' on either side.
The whole reason for purchasing a legit license is to support the company/creator (so the thing doesn't go away), and to prevent any legal detriment. Once a person has a license, they cannot actually break the software permit fair-use. So, download it...someone else removed the protection, which leaves the downloader with no legal issues. This is a shoddy way to permit consumers to exercise their inherent rights, but, it works. Yes, it sends the wrong message to the supplying company (that such products are in-demand), but, it's legit, and everyone is getting what they want.
On the other side, since said products are loaded with defectware, one can "protest" by refusing to purchase the products that are wrapped with digital locks. Now it's a lost sale. If you still want it, you'll have to download it from the web or copy it from a friend. Can the producer recognize that it's a lost sale due to choice, or that their product is available for download? Nope. So the producer pushes for harder locks so that they can prevent unauthorized use, theoretically increasing sales. There will always be a way to extract the stuff out of media files, so, it'll never actually do it's prescribed duty...so, actually, the producers should go after the marketers of DRM, than their customers. THEY need to speak with their wallets. Force the makers of the DRM technology make it consumer-friendly.
There is an other other side of this story: stop it. Yep...just stop it. I know it's hard, everyone is a consumer and all, but it's possible to stop wanting this stuff. Stop consuming garbage, and the companies of the world will stop producing it.
Excellent points, comrade, you may be correct in its legality (I am not sure). I do wonder how optional it is when a submitted resume gets the circular file if not accompanied by said survey?
There's no way to oversee this sort of thing...so, I still think it is inappropriate to ask such things.
Dude, we aren't robots. People feel pretty decent about being part of their community, and one part of being in a community is making stuff for other people. Beyond that, efficiency is relative. I could go into many many things that are so insanely inefficient about the globalization of manufacturing that you just might understand my point of view, but that might take a while. The most powerful variable of the "efficient" function is cost. That's the big driver...environmental destruction, human exploitation, community destruction barely register, if at all.
Who pays that price? Good thing we have millions of people that don't care that their "community" has degraded into a giant corporatist cesspool and is basically designed for roads that take them to places to spend their money. None of these people stop to consider what it might be like to actually live as opposed to exist.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, you can just ignore me, I'll go away. If you do understand, I hope you do something today or tomorrow that helps community in which you live...maybe if we all did one thing every other day, I think life might be quite a bit better.
lol...I meant to say Iranians -or- Syrians as an example...but you're right, being from only a single threaded (!) background would seem to make someone the odd man out...oddly enough.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking...I was going to say "I don't think he'll be complaining about any medical treatment he receives." I mean, maybe after his body decomposes, and his molecules are reconstituted into some other living being, that may or may not be sentient, he could complain about the level of medical treatment he receives...but the bigger question would be Is he still Ken Lay?...Does he still own his particles after death?
(Who knew that I could link medical treatment, Ken Lay, and Theseus' Ship Paradox? [Well, half of the paradox])
Actually, this could provide any of the people that submitted with a perfect scapegoat*. Anyone could say "well, the guys down at the city have my password too, it could be someone there that sent the bomb threat that conveniently emptied the very building in which they work."
* Don't try it, it just might not work out so easily.
Ever catch your kid in the cookie jar? Or maybe smoking behind the school? Surprisingly, their reaction is pretty much the same -- "Sorry, didn't know it was bad...won't do it again, promise!"
Same thing here. Oh, and incidentally, something that hasn't been raised yet for some unknown reason, is this:
How many of the top-level or already-employed people had their credentials listed on some form in some filing cabinet? Do you think the mayor had their social life vetted?
Highly doubtful.
So if this IS the case, why did it apply only to new employment candidates...does one's social life then become exempt after being employed? If so, does the information get destroyed upon after being hired? If anyone noticed, on the form where candidates are required to provide their passwords, it said that the signer authorizes the city to use it's own records for investigation, which means that if you worked for them before (same area? different area?), they could use those records...so...chances are they would keep the passwords, just in case.
The other wonderful gem is that on the same form, it says that enough though you are permitted by law to request a copy of all data/information they have acquired about you, they won't ever release it to anyone...including you...makes sense, doesn't it?
It bodes perfectly. Anyone is free to change their password at any time, which would render their precious pieces of paper worthless...actually, it turns them into a huge liability...because they have to protect those documents in perpetuity (or destroy them) in case any user has not changed a password.
Anyway, even if I was sheeple enough to provide correct passwords, they would be changed the second I was at the con of a trusted terminal.
If you had mentioned something like "financial applications", or "proprietary hardware" I might have passed-by your post...but...drivers? You are so wrong! I've had far more success with built-in drivers in Linux than Windows...I had an HP LaserJet 1000 that had a built-in driver in Ubuntu and Fedora...Windows? Not a chance. From what I read, HP didn't even provide tech docs for the thing (they might now, I don't know).
Most things do 'just work' in Linux...but, maybe not a any particular person may expect. It may be slightly or completely different...THAT is the issue at hand.
That's ok. In Ontario, they're used to giving cops way too much power. There, if a cop accuses someone of driving more than 50km/h over the speed limit, they can at a minimum impound the vehicle, and confiscate their license for a week, no judge needed! I bet this saves tax payers so much money in pesky court costs. Oh, and there is no way to appeal, thank you very much. It's in the name of anti-street racing, but, in effect, it is used to allow cops to persecute anyone they don't like (like kids in Hondas).
Want to know the conviction rate for those people that choose to fight? 33%. So, that means that 67% of all charged with this offence aren't even guilty of it. That's a huge abuse of power. Those charged have already been severely affected...and there's no way for them to recover rightfully from it...and it's all in the hands of some other (probably jilted) human.
If the masses demonstrate/riot with a strong message, they're classified as hooligan terrorists...but if it's a group with an impotent message...then that's ok...even when they're performing illegal acts like blocking a major highway.
Exactly...because there's no profit in manufacturing anymore...because of free-trade/globalization...brought to you by??? Yep...the super-rich. Look at the cause, not the symptom (or result of the cause). If big megacorps weren't involved, everything at the store would be made locally or nearby.
So I read the application form...I couldn't believe my eyes...well, actually, I believed my eyes, but, let's get back to my point. It's quite unreal what the city demands. Here's an excerpt:
I release the City of Bozeman, Montana and/or its agents and any person or entity, which provides information pursuant to this authorization, from any and all liabilities, claims or law suits in regards to the information obtained from any and all of the above referenced sources used.
So...applicants have to hand over their personal life on a platter, unfettered access, to some unknown HUMAN, whom has the ability to actually be imperfect, and the city has absolutely no liability. So, this means that if anyone were to trash an applicant's life, the city couldn't be held responsible. Yeah, ok. That's completely fair. Oh, and how secure are these files? Are the kept in paper format only? In a filing cabinet, is it locked? Is the room locked? How easily could someone else view this information. And no, just because the door is locked at night when no one else is around isn't good enough. I'd expect Pentagon-like security...does anyone really think this would be the case? Nonsense at its finest.
I hereby expressly authorize release of any and all information which you, as a previous employer or employment reference, may have concerning me, including information of a confidential or privileged nature. I hereby release any organization, company, institution or person for which I have been employed furnishing the information requested.
Again with the carte blanche. What if some of this information included attorney-client?
This all is just a matter of the city big-wigs feeling entitled to their entitlement...and that entitlement is your privacy, which belongs to YOU and no one else. Don't give it to them. If everyone that applied didn't give them the info they requested, then they'd have to accept it. If they need someone to perform a job, they have to hire someone...and if no one submits to their ridiculous attempts at skirting around privacy laws, they will be put back in their place.
Some guy once said "United we stand, divided we fall".
Actually, it gets worse. The application has a "survey" portion at the end which requests things that are technically forbidden: age, race/ethnicity, disability. Everyone should read it, it's kinda comical...under "race/ethnicity" it says "check the one category which best describes your recognition in your community"...White (not Hispanic or Latino), Black or African American (Not Hispanic or Latino), Hispanic or Latino...a couple more, then this gem: Two or More Races (Not Hispanic or Latino)....w...t...f...who the hell came up with this? Oh, and if you do look at it...try to figure out what I'd pick if I came from the middle east...no option for Iranians and Syrians...Or, how about somewhere in, say, Kazakhstan? They don't really exist, do they?
They even ask if the applicant has violated any criminal law or -traffic- regulations within the last five years! Here's a flashlight, want me to drop my pants, too?
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I think you are right. Entering WEP keys suck when it's masked. Many wireless devices for computers come with software that allows the user to do just that. Just good foresight on the part of the programmer, I say. Other non-computer wireless devices should do the same.
And, surprise, that's exactly what TFA recommends! Quote:
Anyone that enters their password into a computer at a net cafe is asking for problems, regardless if they like to see stars or not.
I think the shoulder surfing problem is only for people that hunt and peck, or for targets with a high levels of secret information that need to worry about people recording their key strokes with audio or video devices (a la Sneakers the movie). I think for the most part, most people type most of their passwords pretty quickly so shoulder surfing is less of an issue.
Actually, there are four types of people in the world: 1. Those who keep on repeating "10 types - binary" joke. 2. Those who loves telling "3 kinds - can not count" joke repeatedly. 3. People who hate above mentioned jokes and whine about it. 4. Everybody else who does not give fuck.
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/pkbt
There must be a 5th, because you don't fall into any of those categories...
1. You didn't tell a binary joke,
2. You didn't tell a 3 kinds joke,
3. You didn't really spread any hate, or whine...really,
4. Obviously you give a fuck, because you took the time to post something.
So what's number 5? Those that like to make lists about how other people don't know how many types there are, and give a fuck enough to post of slashdot?
Unless you are a computer or some other type of being that knows how to use a computer...I hadn't really thought of that though.
If I may weigh in on the subject, I can offer some insight.
I bet the $21 price tag does come with restrictions. It is probably "non-production" use only. I recall buying Visual Studio during school, and inside the readme.txt (or maybe license.txt) file it went into detail as to how the various types of licenses apply. Is it a boxed copy? Is it just a license sticker? More info is required.
As for have a "worth", you're right, many companies do this to establish a newbie fee. Anyone that isn't aware of the various sources for any given product will likely pay the highest marked value. Take car parts for example. I bought a pretty simple device, called a purge valve solenoid the other day. I was quoted $33, at which I was a little shocked. The sales clerk said "well, I could charge you list price!" with a bit of a smirk. I laughed a bit, and said that it was ok, I like my money in my pocket just fine...he said list was going to be $50.
All companies sell stuff, and they establish various prices based on their customer. Some companies hide them, charge the public the highest price, but give their returning customers a discount.
In my above case, the car parts store cares more about making a sale than fleecing its customers, so they are willing to show the different prices (they know that another store is willing to sell at a lower price, so they do as well). And this is the point. Stores will sell products at a price that is acceptable by most people. If every other car parts store sold at list price, I would have been charged $50. Same thing with Microsoft's apps and OSes, there are many places that sell them at lower prices, so people expect it.
How much does Windows or Office cost? It depends on the buyer. There are OEM and Retail version of these licenses. If the buyer is Dell, HP, Gateway, or the like, they pay a very small amount (XP Pro OEM is likely near $30, Office 2007 Small Business OEM is likely near $130) because these companies have to support them, not Microsoft. Retail versions, completely different angle. Microsoft has to support them. In essence, Retail versions include a support fee in the price. Supposedly, any OEM is supposed to charge a little bit extra to cover support costs...so the raw dollar value of the OS/app is low.
Having said that, Microsoft's requirement to have a properly license OEM version is pretty relaxed. One could buy XP Pro OEM for around $135 at one point, as long as some piece of hardware was included in the sale (a hard drive, cpu, ram, memory stick). Thus Microsoft doesn't support it (no calling them if something isn't working...which is how MS likes it. I bet over 95% of all Windows sales are OEM), you get a piece of hardware all for less than the cost of the retail version.
So yes, the retail price is an inflated price so that they can say "Wow! You can save $300 off the full price!", which is good marketing-speak...which is something we all know Microsoft has a lot of experience.
I doubt it's subsidized by the TDSB...it's more like they have a bit of leverage because they'd buy so many licenses.
Nuff said.
(sorry, no time to proof read my post...if I goofed anything up, it's because I'm goofy)
We need more people like you on this planet...things would be way better.
Well, there's two sides to this story...and there's no 'good' on either side.
The whole reason for purchasing a legit license is to support the company/creator (so the thing doesn't go away), and to prevent any legal detriment. Once a person has a license, they cannot actually break the software permit fair-use. So, download it...someone else removed the protection, which leaves the downloader with no legal issues. This is a shoddy way to permit consumers to exercise their inherent rights, but, it works. Yes, it sends the wrong message to the supplying company (that such products are in-demand), but, it's legit, and everyone is getting what they want.
On the other side, since said products are loaded with defectware, one can "protest" by refusing to purchase the products that are wrapped with digital locks. Now it's a lost sale. If you still want it, you'll have to download it from the web or copy it from a friend. Can the producer recognize that it's a lost sale due to choice, or that their product is available for download? Nope. So the producer pushes for harder locks so that they can prevent unauthorized use, theoretically increasing sales. There will always be a way to extract the stuff out of media files, so, it'll never actually do it's prescribed duty...so, actually, the producers should go after the marketers of DRM, than their customers. THEY need to speak with their wallets. Force the makers of the DRM technology make it consumer-friendly.
There is an other other side of this story: stop it. Yep...just stop it. I know it's hard, everyone is a consumer and all, but it's possible to stop wanting this stuff. Stop consuming garbage, and the companies of the world will stop producing it.
Excellent points, comrade, you may be correct in its legality (I am not sure). I do wonder how optional it is when a submitted resume gets the circular file if not accompanied by said survey?
There's no way to oversee this sort of thing...so, I still think it is inappropriate to ask such things.
Dude, we aren't robots. People feel pretty decent about being part of their community, and one part of being in a community is making stuff for other people. Beyond that, efficiency is relative. I could go into many many things that are so insanely inefficient about the globalization of manufacturing that you just might understand my point of view, but that might take a while. The most powerful variable of the "efficient" function is cost. That's the big driver...environmental destruction, human exploitation, community destruction barely register, if at all.
Who pays that price? Good thing we have millions of people that don't care that their "community" has degraded into a giant corporatist cesspool and is basically designed for roads that take them to places to spend their money. None of these people stop to consider what it might be like to actually live as opposed to exist.
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, you can just ignore me, I'll go away. If you do understand, I hope you do something today or tomorrow that helps community in which you live...maybe if we all did one thing every other day, I think life might be quite a bit better.
lol...I meant to say Iranians -or- Syrians as an example...but you're right, being from only a single threaded (!) background would seem to make someone the odd man out...oddly enough.
I digress.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking...I was going to say "I don't think he'll be complaining about any medical treatment he receives." I mean, maybe after his body decomposes, and his molecules are reconstituted into some other living being, that may or may not be sentient, he could complain about the level of medical treatment he receives...but the bigger question would be Is he still Ken Lay?...Does he still own his particles after death?
(Who knew that I could link medical treatment, Ken Lay, and Theseus' Ship Paradox? [Well, half of the paradox])
Actually, this could provide any of the people that submitted with a perfect scapegoat*. Anyone could say "well, the guys down at the city have my password too, it could be someone there that sent the bomb threat that conveniently emptied the very building in which they work."
* Don't try it, it just might not work out so easily.
People get into management by being less intelligent and able than their boss...Who likes competition?
Ever catch your kid in the cookie jar? Or maybe smoking behind the school? Surprisingly, their reaction is pretty much the same -- "Sorry, didn't know it was bad...won't do it again, promise!"
Same thing here. Oh, and incidentally, something that hasn't been raised yet for some unknown reason, is this:
How many of the top-level or already-employed people had their credentials listed on some form in some filing cabinet? Do you think the mayor had their social life vetted?
Highly doubtful.
So if this IS the case, why did it apply only to new employment candidates...does one's social life then become exempt after being employed? If so, does the information get destroyed upon after being hired? If anyone noticed, on the form where candidates are required to provide their passwords, it said that the signer authorizes the city to use it's own records for investigation, which means that if you worked for them before (same area? different area?), they could use those records...so...chances are they would keep the passwords, just in case.
The other wonderful gem is that on the same form, it says that enough though you are permitted by law to request a copy of all data/information they have acquired about you, they won't ever release it to anyone...including you...makes sense, doesn't it?
. . . well, the world now knows that there is a place called Bozeman, Montana.
"Come visit Bozeman this summer for vactation . . ."
"See the lovely lakes . . . "
"Please leave your passwords at the door . . ."
"Don't forget to say 'What up?' to the moose . . ."
There, fixed that for ya.
It bodes perfectly. Anyone is free to change their password at any time, which would render their precious pieces of paper worthless...actually, it turns them into a huge liability...because they have to protect those documents in perpetuity (or destroy them) in case any user has not changed a password.
Anyway, even if I was sheeple enough to provide correct passwords, they would be changed the second I was at the con of a trusted terminal.
If you had mentioned something like "financial applications", or "proprietary hardware" I might have passed-by your post...but...drivers? You are so wrong! I've had far more success with built-in drivers in Linux than Windows...I had an HP LaserJet 1000 that had a built-in driver in Ubuntu and Fedora...Windows? Not a chance. From what I read, HP didn't even provide tech docs for the thing (they might now, I don't know).
Most things do 'just work' in Linux...but, maybe not a any particular person may expect. It may be slightly or completely different...THAT is the issue at hand.
That's ok. In Ontario, they're used to giving cops way too much power. There, if a cop accuses someone of driving more than 50km/h over the speed limit, they can at a minimum impound the vehicle, and confiscate their license for a week, no judge needed! I bet this saves tax payers so much money in pesky court costs. Oh, and there is no way to appeal, thank you very much. It's in the name of anti-street racing, but, in effect, it is used to allow cops to persecute anyone they don't like (like kids in Hondas).
Want to know the conviction rate for those people that choose to fight? 33%. So, that means that 67% of all charged with this offence aren't even guilty of it. That's a huge abuse of power. Those charged have already been severely affected...and there's no way for them to recover rightfully from it...and it's all in the hands of some other (probably jilted) human.
Not good.
So true!
If the masses demonstrate/riot with a strong message, they're classified as hooligan terrorists...but if it's a group with an impotent message...then that's ok...even when they're performing illegal acts like blocking a major highway.
Yeah, but Canadians would be be slightly less illegal, right?
Oh man, I almost spewed cereal milk...that was so funny.
And yes, I eat cereal at 11am.
Exactly...because there's no profit in manufacturing anymore...because of free-trade/globalization...brought to you by??? Yep...the super-rich. Look at the cause, not the symptom (or result of the cause). If big megacorps weren't involved, everything at the store would be made locally or nearby.
+1 to the GP. +0.5 to the parent.
So I read the application form...I couldn't believe my eyes...well, actually, I believed my eyes, but, let's get back to my point. It's quite unreal what the city demands. Here's an excerpt:
I release the City of Bozeman, Montana and/or its agents and any person or entity, which provides information pursuant to this authorization, from any and all liabilities, claims or law suits in regards to the information obtained from any and all of the above referenced sources used.
So...applicants have to hand over their personal life on a platter, unfettered access, to some unknown HUMAN, whom has the ability to actually be imperfect, and the city has absolutely no liability. So, this means that if anyone were to trash an applicant's life, the city couldn't be held responsible. Yeah, ok. That's completely fair. Oh, and how secure are these files? Are the kept in paper format only? In a filing cabinet, is it locked? Is the room locked? How easily could someone else view this information. And no, just because the door is locked at night when no one else is around isn't good enough. I'd expect Pentagon-like security...does anyone really think this would be the case? Nonsense at its finest.
I hereby expressly authorize release of any and all information which you, as a previous employer or employment reference, may have concerning me, including information of a confidential or privileged nature. I hereby release any organization, company, institution or person for which I have been employed furnishing the information requested.
Again with the carte blanche. What if some of this information included attorney-client?
This all is just a matter of the city big-wigs feeling entitled to their entitlement...and that entitlement is your privacy, which belongs to YOU and no one else. Don't give it to them. If everyone that applied didn't give them the info they requested, then they'd have to accept it. If they need someone to perform a job, they have to hire someone...and if no one submits to their ridiculous attempts at skirting around privacy laws, they will be put back in their place.
Some guy once said "United we stand, divided we fall".
Actually, it gets worse. The application has a "survey" portion at the end which requests things that are technically forbidden: age, race/ethnicity, disability. Everyone should read it, it's kinda comical...under "race/ethnicity" it says "check the one category which best describes your recognition in your community"...White (not Hispanic or Latino), Black or African American (Not Hispanic or Latino), Hispanic or Latino...a couple more, then this gem: Two or More Races (Not Hispanic or Latino)....w...t...f...who the hell came up with this? Oh, and if you do look at it...try to figure out what I'd pick if I came from the middle east...no option for Iranians and Syrians...Or, how about somewhere in, say, Kazakhstan? They don't really exist, do they?
They even ask if the applicant has violated any criminal law or -traffic- regulations within the last five years! Here's a flashlight, want me to drop my pants, too?
Pure offense...that's all I can say.
Have you met any marketing departments?