i totally agree that there are people exploiting H workers. like i said in another post, any system can be abused.
however if you open the market to all IT workers worldwide, the sheer numbers of people who come will drive down wages in the US across the board. you won't have a ship to jump to because every company in the US will be forced to lower wages to compensate for the fact that their competitors are paying half what they do. you really don't think IT salaries are as high as they are because companies feel that's what people "deserve" to be paid, do you?
companies would love to pay IT workers less then they do. what keeps salaries high is that demand is much higher than supply. triple the supply, demand dwindles and companies start cutting wages.
while i agree the INS is an absolute nightmare to deal with a) Labor really isn't much better and if they took on adjudicating all of the work-related immigration into the US would bog down instantly and b) yes you do need and organization like the INS for people coming into the US. they're the border police. every country has 'em. they make sure tourist remain tourists and don't end up staying. they make sure students don't blow up the world trade center (or at least they try to). stuff like that.
what happens to the salary protection offered by the H? by getting rid of it, you open the way for unscrupulous companies to hire IT workers from places like India and Malaysia that pays about $5000/year for peanuts rather than hire americans. business is cut throat. these companies prosper. other companies are forced to slash IT salaries to compete.
end result: programmers/IT workers start making 25k a year because the market is flooded with immigrants to whom this will be a vast improvement.
at least the H offers some protections for both the alien and american workers.
if you want to jump ship, have the new employer file another H for you. i really doubt that $30k training penalty is going to hold up for more than 5 minutes in court.
one of the points of the H-1B is that these people come here and get the skills and then go back to their home country with that skill set.
short term brain drain, long term enrichment.
well, that's the idea at least.
well duh.
a big part of the justification of most nonimmigrant visas is propaganda. you think this is bad? you should see the regulations that govern the J visas. they require that the alien attend (or have made available) cross-cultural events on and off the site their working at/studying at (many students come on J's). the agency that ran the J programs (since absorbed by the State Department) was the same agency that ran Radio Free Europe.
a section of the LAbor Condition Application (LCA) you need to file to get an H-1B is an attestation that there was no strike, lockout, or work stoppage at the place of employment at the time of the filing.
another part requires the employer to provide notice to the "collective bargaining representative" (read Union) of the filing of the LCA or to post it in a conspicuous place at the site where the H-1B worker will be employed for at least 10 days.
hence, not scabs. well sort of.
this won't stop an employer from hiring "consultants" from a third party who are here on H's but it does try to provide some protection.
Actually only a few types of visas are labor-related. What would DOL have to do with ambassadors and tourists and students?
The whole point of the Labor Condition Application you need to file to get an H-1B is that Labor gets their say.
Plus DOL's almost as big a nightmare to deal with as the INS.
His wife would be here on an H-4, the visa they issue dependants of an H-1B. She could go to school. She could not work.
Canada is not nearly as strict as the US. Hell, no one is. Also, the article did not represent Canada's laws as fact but as rumor, i.e. he heard from a friend.
I agree it's way emotionally manipuative though.
The guy should have retained his own lawyer.
1) all visas are open to abuse. the H1-B actually has a number of provisions to protect the alien. in order to file for an H, you must obtain a Labor Condition Application. part of the LCA is an attestation that the employer will pay the alien the greater of either a) the actual wage paid to employees having similar experience and qualifications employed in the alien's specific occupational field or; b) the prevailing wage level (set by the state's department of labor) for the occupational classification in the area of intended employment.
2) US immigration works like this (this is my field), you tell the US why you want to come by applying for a visa type that most closely matches your situation. If your visa is approved, you are bound by the conditions of that visa type. The H1-B is a NONIMMIGRANT visa. By entering with an H1-B you are implicitly agreeing to leave at the end of the visa.
3) nothing prevents you from applying for permanent residence/citizenship once your here. the unfortunate thing is that most people don't realize just how long that takes in the US (3 - 4 years) to apply for permanent residence. Our dear governments feeling is that the laws are available and it's the alien's responsibility to find out. and plenty of people DO find out. trust me that the INS is adjuticating thousands of H to permanent resident cases as we speak.
ah that old chesnut.
you know i honestly wish Apple would release a three button mouse. partly because i want the functionality (which is why i'll order one) but more because i'd like to see what people would find to complain about if they did.
probably just another pointless rehash of Apple SUX! they killed the clones!
i know metaphors can be difficult for the way too literal minded so let me explain.
all it meant was power vs. style.
MacOS is pretty, UNIX is powerful.
get it?
almost any metaphor can be broken by taking it too far.
um...you didn't know i guess that MG's are notorious in the auto community for constantly breaking down and being just generally impossible.
sure are great looking though.
Well with all the stuff going on with Rambus, I think this is just Apple taking steps to make sure they retain the title of Most Litigation-Happy Company Ever.
Look for things to heat up when Rambus starts suing everybody that uses DDR in anything. I think Apple's only choice will be to respond by suing anyone with a product name that start small i capital consonant.
Somehow I doubt Apple's going to sue a company that's going to produce a system that'll generate a couple hundred or so games that'll be a piece of cake to port to/co-develop for the Mac.
it probably doesn't hurt that a bunch of the early development gear sent out were Mac systems either.
touch & go, excellent label/distributor out of chicago.
thrill jockey
kranky
darla
a billion import labels, especially too pure, duophonic ultra high fidelity (basically stereolab), warp.
most larger import labels have distro. deals with US labels but you can often find import copies between the dates of the import release (first) and the US release (later).
i think there are thousands. all the recommendations are really going to do is give you and idea about that person's taste in music.
if you want some useful suggestions, ask for indies within a genre.
cause like, if you're a hip-hop head, you can basically ignore all the labels i just mentioned.
if alt rock's your thing, all those will rock you. check out brainwashed.com for some suggestions.
okay so it's not terribly earth-shattering but i think this falls into the same category as the cinema display announcement. it's all about tech lust. which is very slashdot. cause c'mon, the powerbooks are pretty much the ultimate in portables.
That's just ridiculous. I somehow doubt Apple's going to cripple most of their product line cause ATi's got a big mouth. The only thing it may have done is made the rumoured talks with NVIDIA a little more friendly. More likely we'll be seeing Radeon cards standard in Mac's as soon as ATi has some solid drivers. The first Rage 128 cards in Macs had lousy drivers and Apple got tons of flak about it. They probably don't want to go through that again.
Hello? The 8 grand model comes with a cinema display. Read more carefully. Still pricey but oof, talk about lust-worthy. The cube is hardly overpriced considering you're basically getting the low end g4 ($1599) shrunk to 8 x 8. How is the cube pointless? Pointless for you maybe, but somehow I doubt that matters much to Apple. Still, I am sort of disappointed the new models didn't show up with Radeon boards. I assume will see those in by Seybold.
you're only a monopoly if you control the market baby. ya they control the mac market but that's like saying gillette has a monopoly on the mach 3 market. having total control over one's product does not constitute having a monopoly. microsoft is a monopoly because they have absurd amounts of control over other peoples' products. see the difference?
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She wouldn't be able to work on an H-4 (dependant of an H-1B). Get her her own visa.
i totally agree that there are people exploiting H workers. like i said in another post, any system can be abused.
however if you open the market to all IT workers worldwide, the sheer numbers of people who come will drive down wages in the US across the board. you won't have a ship to jump to because every company in the US will be forced to lower wages to compensate for the fact that their competitors are paying half what they do. you really don't think IT salaries are as high as they are because companies feel that's what people "deserve" to be paid, do you?
companies would love to pay IT workers less then they do. what keeps salaries high is that demand is much higher than supply. triple the supply, demand dwindles and companies start cutting wages.
while i agree the INS is an absolute nightmare to deal with a) Labor really isn't much better and if they took on adjudicating all of the work-related immigration into the US would bog down instantly and b) yes you do need and organization like the INS for people coming into the US. they're the border police. every country has 'em. they make sure tourist remain tourists and don't end up staying. they make sure students don't blow up the world trade center (or at least they try to). stuff like that.
name some countries and prepare to be wrong.
what happens to the salary protection offered by the H? by getting rid of it, you open the way for unscrupulous companies to hire IT workers from places like India and Malaysia that pays about $5000/year for peanuts rather than hire americans. business is cut throat. these companies prosper. other companies are forced to slash IT salaries to compete.
end result: programmers/IT workers start making 25k a year because the market is flooded with immigrants to whom this will be a vast improvement.
at least the H offers some protections for both the alien and american workers.
if you want to jump ship, have the new employer file another H for you. i really doubt that $30k training penalty is going to hold up for more than 5 minutes in court.
one of the points of the H-1B is that these people come here and get the skills and then go back to their home country with that skill set.
short term brain drain, long term enrichment.
well, that's the idea at least.
well duh.
a big part of the justification of most nonimmigrant visas is propaganda. you think this is bad? you should see the regulations that govern the J visas. they require that the alien attend (or have made available) cross-cultural events on and off the site their working at/studying at (many students come on J's). the agency that ran the J programs (since absorbed by the State Department) was the same agency that ran Radio Free Europe.
a section of the LAbor Condition Application (LCA) you need to file to get an H-1B is an attestation that there was no strike, lockout, or work stoppage at the place of employment at the time of the filing.
another part requires the employer to provide notice to the "collective bargaining representative" (read Union) of the filing of the LCA or to post it in a conspicuous place at the site where the H-1B worker will be employed for at least 10 days.
hence, not scabs. well sort of.
this won't stop an employer from hiring "consultants" from a third party who are here on H's but it does try to provide some protection.
Actually only a few types of visas are labor-related. What would DOL have to do with ambassadors and tourists and students?
The whole point of the Labor Condition Application you need to file to get an H-1B is that Labor gets their say.
Plus DOL's almost as big a nightmare to deal with as the INS.
His wife would be here on an H-4, the visa they issue dependants of an H-1B. She could go to school. She could not work.
Canada is not nearly as strict as the US. Hell, no one is. Also, the article did not represent Canada's laws as fact but as rumor, i.e. he heard from a friend.
I agree it's way emotionally manipuative though.
The guy should have retained his own lawyer.
1) all visas are open to abuse. the H1-B actually has a number of provisions to protect the alien. in order to file for an H, you must obtain a Labor Condition Application. part of the LCA is an attestation that the employer will pay the alien the greater of either a) the actual wage paid to employees having similar experience and qualifications employed in the alien's specific occupational field or; b) the prevailing wage level (set by the state's department of labor) for the occupational classification in the area of intended employment.
2) US immigration works like this (this is my field), you tell the US why you want to come by applying for a visa type that most closely matches your situation. If your visa is approved, you are bound by the conditions of that visa type. The H1-B is a NONIMMIGRANT visa. By entering with an H1-B you are implicitly agreeing to leave at the end of the visa.
3) nothing prevents you from applying for permanent residence/citizenship once your here. the unfortunate thing is that most people don't realize just how long that takes in the US (3 - 4 years) to apply for permanent residence. Our dear governments feeling is that the laws are available and it's the alien's responsibility to find out. and plenty of people DO find out. trust me that the INS is adjuticating thousands of H to permanent resident cases as we speak.
ah that old chesnut.
you know i honestly wish Apple would release a three button mouse. partly because i want the functionality (which is why i'll order one) but more because i'd like to see what people would find to complain about if they did.
probably just another pointless rehash of Apple SUX! they killed the clones!
i know metaphors can be difficult for the way too literal minded so let me explain.
all it meant was power vs. style.
MacOS is pretty, UNIX is powerful.
get it?
almost any metaphor can be broken by taking it too far.
um...you didn't know i guess that MG's are notorious in the auto community for constantly breaking down and being just generally impossible.
sure are great looking though.
Well with all the stuff going on with Rambus, I think this is just Apple taking steps to make sure they retain the title of Most Litigation-Happy Company Ever.
Look for things to heat up when Rambus starts suing everybody that uses DDR in anything. I think Apple's only choice will be to respond by suing anyone with a product name that start small i capital consonant.
Somehow I doubt Apple's going to sue a company that's going to produce a system that'll generate a couple hundred or so games that'll be a piece of cake to port to/co-develop for the Mac.
it probably doesn't hurt that a bunch of the early development gear sent out were Mac systems either.
touch & go, excellent label/distributor out of chicago.
thrill jockey
kranky
darla
a billion import labels, especially too pure, duophonic ultra high fidelity (basically stereolab), warp.
most larger import labels have distro. deals with US labels but you can often find import copies between the dates of the import release (first) and the US release (later).
i think there are thousands. all the recommendations are really going to do is give you and idea about that person's taste in music.
if you want some useful suggestions, ask for indies within a genre.
cause like, if you're a hip-hop head, you can basically ignore all the labels i just mentioned.
if alt rock's your thing, all those will rock you. check out brainwashed.com for some suggestions.
actually warp is an english label
okay so it's not terribly earth-shattering but i think this falls into the same category as the cinema display announcement.
it's all about tech lust.
which is very slashdot.
cause c'mon, the powerbooks are pretty much the ultimate in portables.
does that make it true as well?
That's just ridiculous. I somehow doubt Apple's going to cripple most of their product line cause ATi's got a big mouth.
The only thing it may have done is made the rumoured talks with NVIDIA a little more friendly.
More likely we'll be seeing Radeon cards standard in Mac's as soon as ATi has some solid drivers. The first Rage 128 cards in Macs had lousy drivers and Apple got tons of flak about it. They probably don't want to go through that again.
why do you even waste the keystrokes?
you forgot to mention it would be ugly as spit.
Hello? The 8 grand model comes with a cinema display. Read more carefully. Still pricey but oof, talk about lust-worthy.
The cube is hardly overpriced considering you're basically getting the low end g4 ($1599) shrunk to 8 x 8.
How is the cube pointless? Pointless for you maybe, but somehow I doubt that matters much to Apple.
Still, I am sort of disappointed the new models didn't show up with Radeon boards. I assume will see those in by Seybold.
you're only a monopoly if you control the market baby. ya they control the mac market but that's like saying gillette has a monopoly on the mach 3 market. having total control over one's product does not constitute having a monopoly. microsoft is a monopoly because they have absurd amounts of control over other peoples' products. see the difference?