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"what happens to all the programmers in the world when everything goes open source and free?"
they get paid to improve open source and free software and are getting paid a much higher price then on proprietary and closed source software as shown by the last 12 years of GNU/Linux...
"Are you all willing to take jobs flipping burgers at McDonalds to pay your rent while you do your old job for free at night to "support the cause"? "
For one flipping burgers at Mcdonald is an honest job and it pays at the end of the week , second there is more to business then software and McDonalds.
You would know that if you ever add an higher education.
You know why your comment is actually tottally stupid , the simple fact is that Software programmer usualy get an education in two domain minimum , Programming + Nursing or MBA or Accounting or Human Ressources or finance or Engeneering or Electronics or Bio mechanics or Marketing or sales or etc...
BTW you know what job and experienced programmer gets at Mcdonalds : Managements.
You ever played russian roulette with a fully loaded barrel , really you should try it , it would solve the natural evolution who's going to kill you for something obvious that you whont get but will get killed by it anyway , this way it just save time.
Gnu/Linux ( thats the name of the OS BTW ) replacing Apple = Good thing.
Gnu/Linux beeing replaced by Mac OS X = Bad thing
I hope its really clear for you this time.
Apple MAc OS X is actually some great code but which is proprietary and not Open Source.
Still following ?
Since its great code and its closed and Apple is a nuisance , then you take out the nuisance and change it into Open Source and Free software.
This way the good code that apply can be used to boost GNU/Linux in some area where Apple Mac OS X as the advantage.
Get it now ? No ? dont worry its too intelligent and visionary for you , go back to making dumb ass comments , it whont save your life, but you will get modded as insighful , even when your comment is tottaly clueless.
So to resume the point Apple MAc OS X , proprietary and closed source = BAD
Apple Mac OS X , bought and changed to Open Source , GPL and free software = Good
You must be an Etats-Unians you run for the Hills when your Gov say WMD and terrorist , in a war you would be the one shooting your ally in the back I guess , keeping up with your own country traditions.
I would hate to see what you would do in a case where GNU/Linux gets replaced by windows.
OS X is not Open Source "yet" , I have been saying for years that we should takem out before they become a nuisance. Whas made into a waco for that comment.
Guess what : Apple Mac OS X is actually replacing GNU/Linux in some area now:
It would be fun to discuss your accomplishment , it would take a good 2 seconds. But since your ashame to discuss them...
I guess your wrong again , I whas employee of the month at four company and I have the record for eleven month at one of them. this whas when I whas a teenager , like yourself I guess.
I dont claim things I did not do , or accomplisment of others.
Why do I need to waste my money on you , Its legally Gnu/Linux , we won.
You fought what ? your cat ?
You won what ? 1st prize for stupidity ?
You made a point ? in your dream ?
I said its called GNU/linux:
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html
And I am right...
I have shown factual data , over and over and over , but you refuse them because your fabulating in your own bubble and are closed to the real world.
Please STFU , Dont reply your absolutely and tottaly wrong , and I am sure that tying your shoe is a big accomplishment for you but your irrelevant for the entire planet.
Have a nice day.
since I am the grown up I cease to reply to your stupidity in this thread from now on...
MAcOSX is an OS , Darwin is considered an OS too , they both use a BSD Kernel.
There is a GNU/Linux OS and no Linux OS , there is a linux kernel do. I dont need to change it its the "legal" way to mention it.
There is absolutely no difference between a GNU software made inside the GNU project and a software made outside the GNU project but which use the GPL. They accomplish the same goal doing it in different ways. A bit like KDE and GNOME.
Please go pass your LPI , your elementary class , your secondary class and your university class , do a major in CS and then a doctorate in CS , then do 20 year in the IT field by using a time machine which help you start your carreer in the 1980 up until now , and dont forget to help build minimum 25 new GNU/Linux distribution and contribute software , before that work on BSD software , do documentation and support professionnaly for Gnu/Linux for over 8 years , and get a teaching degree to teach CS too.
Dont bother opening your yap until then.
Like I said before , you whant to make your point "sue me" , I will show you who is right, Until then , again , shut your yap.
I described Mac OS X , no wait Windows , no wait OS/2....
There are no Linux OS , there is A GNU/Linux OS , there is a Linux Kernel , and you are free to distribute it. You can modify it also. All of this because its GPL.
The kernel = The kernel The OS = Kernel + software + development api + GUI (optionnal ) + command line + compiler + x server ( optionnal )
GNU Did produce GNU/Linux and Linux. Created Linux ? NO , But Linux due to Linus Thorvalds decision to change its previous license Joined GNU.
GNU is first an idea.
IBM ship a distribution ? Ok I will give you the benefit of the doubt , its probably false but then who knows , they have the finance and man power to pull it off in one day , all you have to do is show me the "IBM made" Linux distribution that they ship...
"Linus named his OS Linux"
Linus named is "Kernel" Linux , to this day Linus make no OS or Distribution.
http://www.kernel.org/
"and IBM names their distribution what they wish to."
IBM as no distribution of there own , feel free to provide the link to the IBM GNU/Linux distribution.
"GNU has it's own rules as to how IT"S OWN projects are named. "
GNU is an Idea...
Yes , there his a GNU project but its not the start and end of everything GNU.
"See how that works?"
Yes , of course I must stop making my stuff GNU/GPL and say to the 98% developper of the GNU/Linux software inside every distribution that they are wrong in the way they do things because Shitand on/. said so ( sarcasm )
Reality check : We won a long time ago , we keep people like you around for fun.
I will add two things people like you forget:
Gnu/Linux is the Legal way to talk about GNU/Linux and its enforceable in court , where it already won in numerous past cases. We dont enforce it because we have better thing to do with our money then to pay lawyer on thing which we already won.
Linus Thorvalds as creator of the kernel can choose to change the license of the Linux kernel anytime anyday or even double license it , he dont. Why is that ? He know from real life experience why that GNU/GPL is the best.
If you feel the need for a judge to explain it to you whats the reality in details , just ask me for my full identity and adress , I will be more then happy to provide it for you by e-mail and then sue me. I like making tons of money out of people like you.
I used to like Google search a lot , because when one would do a search they would offer a similar page choice that meant from other site answers and also a link to the directory category.
Now Google search dont do that anymore but the new yahoo search does it.
Simply put the US is in America , they are not america. They are "of America" , they are not America.
One step at the time getting people to agree on the word is one step , the rest will come or not later.
Yes , calling the citizen of the United States "Americans" is wrong , to be called American you must associate The Etats-Unians with a citizen from another country from America.
Your definition is correct. And I agree beeing on the American continent make the Etats-Unians Americans , they are not Americans because they are Etats-Unians.
I find it really funny that you think where welcome to something which is ours to begin with we discovered ( rediscovered ) the place and named it (the continent). Its not like we have to ask you for anything. We earned and made it into reality its ours.
Actually there is no missunderstanding , Etats-Unians make the mistake to say that they are America , and its with great pleasure that I correct them.
The People from the United States are Americans
The Citizen of the United States of America are not Americans or America they are the Etats-Unians.
If you still disagree , Then I agree to disagree with you
My point , is that its a mistake. The "of" make it a mistake and not an ambiguity.
Actually its United Mexican States. and the shorter form is Mexico.
Etats-Unians is perfect , because Etats-unians forget that they have a country because of France , and this is a good way to remember it, Etats is French for states.
So this settle it , some will wrongly and erronesly say Americans , other , like me , will say Etats-Unians.
Thks , I dont have an issue with english I aint trying to write it properly, as far as grammar there is none "official" for english. I dont need to be throwing stone either, aint passing ajudgement but staing fact and making an observations.
IBM did not create GNU/Linux or the Linux kernel, they are just one solution provider , and service provider among many other.
Linus Torvalds did not create any distribution either he only created the Linux kernel.
IBM dont have a distribution , they use the GNU/Linux distribution from many vendors and the GNU/Linux software to sale service and solutions , they also use the Unix software and Microsoft Windows and Apple OS and OSX software.
Its not news , and the world dont resolve around yourself , or your idea or your conception or missunderstanding of it.
Yes , I agree totally with your point , people do make that mistake all the time and are not corrected , even more then others the Etats-Unians. But the reality is "Americans" is not just a name and its not the shorter way to say citizen of the United States.
Yes , you are correct , most people still make that mistake , they tend to think that "of America" means Americans. Its beeing corrected one step at the time.
Actually I know your affirmation is not true. here is why:
First , most people or I should say a good number of the majority who write BSD software are paid to do so by someone else or a company. They dont get to decide the license to be used.
Second , The People who use the BSD license , such as yourself , dont understand it fully , dont get me wrong , but I doubt that your an expert in law or that you add your code contribution closed and yourself unable to use it because the other group included it in there software and are unwhilling to let anyone else modify it or use it, even do it whas your code to begin with.
Third , most BSD licensee look at the open source part of the license and not the rest , the rest enable the owner to close there improvment to other and even the original writer of the code and also to remove the credit ( name recognition ) part.
I will finish by stating that people who use BSD almost in all case dont get the credit ( name recognition ) or the credit ( cold hard cash )when a closed source company gets to use it.
And you see , I "do" care that your code stay open , because frankly you say today that you dont care but you will be like a good number of GNU/Linux writer today who say : I once whas young poor and stupid and got my code taken from me.
keep doing what your doing , its not like we cant buy it and change it to GPL after we improved the code.
MacOSX is actually entirely Open-Source based. And its a good example of why Open Source is bad and bulshit.
Dont get me wrong its based on a noble principle that everyone can use and improve the source but the problem with open Source is that the source can be bought and closed. The BSD license is the best example of that Both Apple and Windows closed Open Source BSD licensed code.
Mac OSX is based on Darwin and Nextstep , and lots of open standards and open source software.
Like everything in life if there is no one to protect it and keep it open for everyone some people take advantage of the good will of others and close it for there own profit.
You dont mean for free BTW , you mean at no cost. Freedom as nothing o do with cost.
Micrososft is a convicted criminal all over the planet they pay the fine or they are in trial arguing there case. If that dont work they buy the Government.
They then turn to Red hat for help and Red Hat answer is:
Sorry its not our problem its europe problem we will join when the war is actually won and that whe can claim to have done the job all by ourself... where a bunch of coward you know.
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"what happens to all the programmers in the world when everything goes open source and free?"
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they get paid to improve open source and free software and are getting paid a much higher price then on proprietary and closed source software as shown by the last 12 years of GNU/Linux
"Are you all willing to take jobs flipping burgers at McDonalds to pay your rent while you do your old job for free at night to "support the cause"? "
For one flipping burgers at Mcdonald is an honest job and it pays at the end of the week , second there is more to business then software and McDonalds.
You would know that if you ever add an higher education.
You know why your comment is actually tottally stupid , the simple fact is that Software programmer usualy get an education in two domain minimum , Programming + Nursing or MBA or Accounting or Human Ressources or finance or Engeneering or Electronics or Bio mechanics or Marketing or sales or etc
BTW you know what job and experienced programmer gets at Mcdonalds : Managements.
You ever played russian roulette with a fully loaded barrel , really you should try it , it would solve the natural evolution who's going to kill you for something obvious that you whont get but will get killed by it anyway , this way it just save time.
Gnu/Linux ( thats the name of the OS BTW ) replacing Apple = Good thing.
Gnu/Linux beeing replaced by Mac OS X = Bad thing
I hope its really clear for you this time.
Apple MAc OS X is actually some great code but which is proprietary and not Open Source.
Still following ?
Since its great code and its closed and Apple is a nuisance , then you take out the nuisance and change it into Open Source and Free software.
This way the good code that apply can be used to boost GNU/Linux in some area where Apple Mac OS X as the advantage.
Get it now ? No ? dont worry its too intelligent and visionary for you , go back to making dumb ass comments , it whont save your life, but you will get modded as insighful , even when your comment is tottaly clueless.
So to resume the point Apple MAc OS X , proprietary and closed source = BAD
Apple Mac OS X , bought and changed to Open Source , GPL and free software = Good
You must be an Etats-Unians you run for the Hills when your Gov say WMD and terrorist , in a war you would be the one shooting your ally in the back I guess , keeping up with your own country traditions.
I would hate to see what you would do in a case where GNU/Linux gets replaced by windows.
OS X is not Open Source "yet" , I have been saying for years that we should takem out before they become a nuisance. Whas made into a waco for that comment.
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Guess what : Apple Mac OS X is actually replacing GNU/Linux in some area now
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/05/24/maclinux/
It would be fun to discuss your accomplishment , it would take a good 2 seconds. But since your ashame to discuss them
I guess your wrong again , I whas employee of the month at four company and I have the record for eleven month at one of them. this whas when I whas a teenager , like yourself I guess.
I dont claim things I did not do , or accomplisment of others.
Why do I need to waste my money on you , Its legally Gnu/Linux , we won.
You fought what ? your cat ?
You won what ? 1st prize for stupidity ?
You made a point ? in your dream ?
I said its called GNU/linux
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html
And I am right
I have shown factual data , over and over and over , but you refuse them because your fabulating in your own bubble and are closed to the real world.
Please STFU , Dont reply your absolutely and tottaly wrong , and I am sure that tying your shoe is a big accomplishment for you but your irrelevant for the entire planet.
Have a nice day.
since I am the grown up I cease to reply to your stupidity in this thread from now on
Yes , it matter , because then no one but yourself can improve it or learn from it.
Like I said its Gnu/Linux , you can make all the noise you whant , you and even I cant change it
You have a career and accomplisment , thats good to know , you where employee of the month at the next door sonic ?
Helped build 25 GNU/Linux distribution is self explaining
I actually contributed to project who are used in over 300 distribution.
I dont consider myself one of the best or the do it all but I did contribute.
I hope your not paid to research online , cant even use Google properly
try
www.distrowatch.com
Ignorance can be solved by learning , education , watching or be tought by experts.
I had the last word from the start , your an idiot who dont accept the reality , and I am toying with you. We won. A long time ago too.
You accuse me of difamation
You accuse GNU of stealing there own work , sue the people you think are thief , thats what grown up do
But then your not a grown up , your a kid , grown up fight and win and make there point.
Have a nice day.
MAcOSX is an OS , Darwin is considered an OS too , they both use a BSD Kernel.
There is a GNU/Linux OS and no Linux OS , there is a linux kernel do. I dont need to change it its the "legal" way to mention it.
There is absolutely no difference between a GNU software made inside the GNU project and a software made outside the GNU project but which use the GPL. They accomplish the same goal doing it in different ways. A bit like KDE and GNOME.
Please go pass your LPI , your elementary class , your secondary class and your university class , do a major in CS and then a doctorate in CS , then do 20 year in the IT field by using a time machine which help you start your carreer in the 1980 up until now , and dont forget to help build minimum 25 new GNU/Linux distribution and contribute software , before that work on BSD software , do documentation and support professionnaly for Gnu/Linux for over 8 years , and get a teaching degree to teach CS too.
Dont bother opening your yap until then.
Like I said before , you whant to make your point "sue me" , I will show you who is right,
Until then , again , shut your yap.
Have a nice day
I described Mac OS X , no wait Windows , no wait OS/2
There are no Linux OS , there is A GNU/Linux OS , there is a Linux Kernel , and you are free to distribute it. You can modify it also. All of this because its GPL.
Have a nice day.
The kernel = The kernel
The OS = Kernel + software + development api + GUI (optionnal ) + command line + compiler + x server ( optionnal )
GNU Did produce GNU/Linux and Linux. Created Linux ? NO , But Linux due to Linus Thorvalds decision to change its previous license Joined GNU.
GNU is first an idea.
IBM ship a distribution ? Ok I will give you the benefit of the doubt , its probably false but then who knows , they have the finance and man power to pull it off in one day , all you have to do is show me the "IBM made" Linux distribution that they ship
"Linus named his OS Linux"
Linus named is "Kernel" Linux , to this day Linus make no OS or Distribution.
http://www.kernel.org/
"and IBM names their distribution what they wish to."
IBM as no distribution of there own , feel free to provide the link to the IBM GNU/Linux distribution.
"GNU has it's own rules as to how IT"S OWN projects are named. "
GNU is an Idea
Yes , there his a GNU project but its not the start and end of everything GNU.
"See how that works?"
Yes , of course I must stop making my stuff GNU/GPL and say to the 98% developper of the GNU/Linux software inside every distribution that they are wrong in the way they do things because Shitand on
Reality check : We won a long time ago , we keep people like you around for fun.
I will add two things people like you forget
Gnu/Linux is the Legal way to talk about GNU/Linux and its enforceable in court , where it already won in numerous past cases. We dont enforce it because we have better thing to do with our money then to pay lawyer on thing which we already won.
Linus Thorvalds as creator of the kernel can choose to change the license of the Linux kernel
anytime anyday or even double license it , he dont. Why is that ? He know from real life experience why that GNU/GPL is the best.
If you feel the need for a judge to explain it to you whats the reality in details , just ask me for my full identity and adress , I will be more then happy to provide it for you by e-mail and then sue me. I like making tons of money out of people like you.
Have a nice day.
I used to like Google search a lot , because when one would do a search they would offer a similar page choice that meant from other site answers and also a link to the directory category.
Now Google search dont do that anymore but the new yahoo search does it.
Simply put the US is in America , they are not america. They are "of America" , they are not America.
One step at the time getting people to agree on the word is one step , the rest will come or not later.
Yes , calling the citizen of the United States "Americans" is wrong , to be called American you must associate The Etats-Unians with a citizen from another country from America.
Your definition is correct. And I agree beeing on the American continent make the Etats-Unians Americans , they are not Americans because they are Etats-Unians.
I find it really funny that you think where welcome to something which is ours to begin with we discovered ( rediscovered ) the place and named it (the continent). Its not like we have to ask you for anything. We earned and made it into reality its ours.
Actually there is no missunderstanding , Etats-Unians make the mistake to say that they are America , and its with great pleasure that I correct them.
The People from the United States are Americans
The Citizen of the United States of America are not Americans or America they are the Etats-Unians.
If you still disagree , Then I agree to disagree with you
have a nice day.
My point , is that its a mistake. The "of" make it a mistake and not an ambiguity.
Actually its United Mexican States. and the shorter form is Mexico.
Etats-Unians is perfect , because Etats-unians forget that they have a country because of France , and this is a good way to remember it, Etats is French for states.
So this settle it , some will wrongly and erronesly say Americans , other , like me , will say Etats-Unians.
Have a nice day.
Thks , I dont have an issue with english I aint trying to write it properly, as far as grammar there is none "official" for english. I dont need to be throwing stone either, aint passing ajudgement but staing fact and making an observations.
The kernel = Linux
The OS = GNU/Linux
GNU : http://www.gnu.org/
IBM did not create GNU/Linux or the Linux kernel, they are just one solution provider , and service provider among many other.
Linus Torvalds did not create any distribution either he only created the Linux kernel.
IBM dont have a distribution , they use the GNU/Linux distribution from many vendors and the GNU/Linux software to sale service and solutions , they also use the Unix software and Microsoft Windows and Apple OS and OSX software.
Its not news , and the world dont resolve around yourself , or your idea or your conception or missunderstanding of it.
have a nice day
Yes , I agree totally with your point , people do make that mistake all the time and are not corrected , even more then others the Etats-Unians. But the reality is "Americans" is not just a name and its not the shorter way to say citizen of the United States.
"Any ideas?"
citizen of the United States = Etats-Unians
Have a nice day.
Yes , you are correct , most people still make that mistake , they tend to think that "of America" means Americans. Its beeing corrected one step at the time.
You mean Etats-Unians , not Americans ...
GNU/Linux is a free product
IBM dont even sell GNU/Linux they sell solution and service based of GNU/Linux.
There not the only one doing it either.
Actually I know your affirmation is not true. here is why
First , most people or I should say a good number of the majority who write BSD software are paid to do so by someone else or a company. They dont get to decide the license to be used.
Second , The People who use the BSD license , such as yourself , dont understand it fully , dont get me wrong , but I doubt that your an expert in law or that you add your code contribution closed and yourself unable to use it because the other group included it in there software and are unwhilling to let anyone else modify it or use it, even do it whas your code to begin with.
Third , most BSD licensee look at the open source part of the license and not the rest , the rest enable the owner to close there improvment to other and even the original writer of the code and also to remove the credit ( name recognition ) part.
I will finish by stating that people who use BSD almost in all case dont get the credit ( name recognition ) or the credit ( cold hard cash )when a closed source company gets to use it.
And you see , I "do" care that your code stay open , because frankly you say today that you dont care but you will be like a good number of GNU/Linux writer today who say : I once whas young poor and stupid and got my code taken from me.
keep doing what your doing , its not like we cant buy it and change it to GPL after we improved the code.
Sorry If my reply implied you where in the wrong
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/
MacOSX is actually entirely Open-Source based. And its a good example of why Open Source is bad and bulshit.
Dont get me wrong its based on a noble principle that everyone can use and improve the source but the problem with open Source is that the source can be bought and closed. The BSD license is the best example of that Both Apple and Windows closed Open Source BSD licensed code.
Mac OSX is based on Darwin and Nextstep , and lots of open standards and open source software.
Like everything in life if there is no one to protect it and keep it open for everyone some people take advantage of the good will of others and close it for there own profit.
You dont mean for free BTW , you mean at no cost. Freedom as nothing o do with cost.
Micrososft is a convicted criminal all over the planet they pay the fine or they are in trial arguing there case. If that dont work they buy the Government.
ROFL !1!!1!
They then turn to Red hat for help and Red Hat answer is
Sorry its not our problem its europe problem we will join when the war is actually won and that whe can claim to have done the job all by ourself
If the above link dont work search for
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in google