"Moreno Valley, CA; Paris, France; December 22, 2004. Mandrakesoft closed a 3.05 million euros increase of capital via subscription for 508,333 new shares at 6 euros per share, an increase in shares of 10.58%. Shares outstanding are now 5,312,889"
"On 4 August 2004, it was 2.39 Euros. It is now 7.60 Euros"
I have to agree with you , on your own personnal investment based only on the share value increase and when you bought it its an increase.
I whas writing about when Mandrakesoft actually made its IPO up until now... It came back to the same level 30-50 million depending on the day.
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I dont have an opinion about MandrakeSoft , I have too numerous fact and inside report to be an opinion. And I am tottaly biased about seeing them do well.
Who said I dont like Jacques Le Marois as a person ? He just happen to be a bad Manager at MandrakeSoft at least.
Dont forget to ask him about HP deals , if its for europe or just france:
"They had no money and couldn't fulfil debt obligations "
WRONG ! MandrakeClub whas making millions , the problem whas the creditor asking to be paid without any delay.
Also I will add that Sales , Services and Support are plagued by the current Management.
" Once they axed the former board"
Jacques Le Marois is still there , Poole whas not the descision maker, MandrakeSoft contrary to popular belief is more then a match to Red Hat , the problem is that Idiot. He block sales , still make stupid exlusive dealls , Make deals for a quick buck but which are harming MAndrakeSoft expansion in the immediate and futur, Speaking of the HP deal which is exclusive to ONLY France (not even europe)
MandrakeClub is 80% of there income , they use that money to develop there failing corporate side , which could be made into a winner if they at least promoted it properly , and the other venture which dont pay off.
"the rules governing bankruptcy in France are far more forgiving and lenient than they are in the US."
WRONG ! The rule for Bankrupty are far more oppresive in France.
Mandrake never whas in Bankrupty protection they where in cessation of payment which is two step above Bankrupty.
"The leadership at Mandrakesoft over the past few years has been excellent "
Little secret for you MandrakeSoft as more product and is bigger worldwide then Red Hat , they are in market Red Hat dont even know exist.
Red Hat is worth 4 billion MandrakeSoft is worth 30 Million now...
"Besides, with a 300% rise in their stock price in the last 4 months"
Actually , your stock price as lost 15% of its value they did not raised capital they diluated the stock and the current price is 1$ over the initial price of its introduction to the market 7$.
You live in a "republic" where your government is decided by the STATES...
In America ( wich is not exclusively the United States ) "MOST" people dont carry a gun around and DONT own a gun either.
In a Democracy its the people who vote for the government and when the government is elected by the public the public vote with the enviroment law... and not the biggest lobby...
I have a test for people like you:
- You have a pencil wich can be used as a weapon. - You have a base-ball bat wich can be used as a weapon. - You have a knife wich can be used as a weapon. - You have a gun wich can be used as a weapon. - You have a Military Machine gun wich can be used as a weapon.
I am going to give you 1 meter of distance between you and I , when you say start, I start going and try to kill you, you can only run as fast as you can. If I fail I switch to another weapon.
I will start with the Military machine gun...
Its not my fault if your going to be dead I am a people killing stupid people who think gun have another purpose then to kill... Hence its not the gun killing you its going to be me and its your fault you let me have a gun.
Actually you missed a step , probably the most important too , for all the bad publicity Mcdonalds get , most of the people seems to forget that Mcdonalds is one of the burger enterprise who is giving the most for charity...
He still as a hold of Europe , and Canada still come up with its 3rd generation tank and airplane which the US of A stole when they joined and they are still cut of there fuel supply... Russia winter is cold but without heating supply its suicidal.
"What if he had invaded Britian earlier in the war?"
The stromtroop where still from Canada , the tank still from Canada , the fighter and bomber plane still from Canada...
The Reality is that in both world war to have won the axis would have add to crush entirely Canada... This means no A bomb , no tank , no airplane , no storm troop.
Microsoft is a monopoly not because of superior technology , but because 1) they broke every law in the books and 2) they add intelligent exclusive deals ( IBM and then other company ) ( dont get me started on "exclusive" stupid deals with the entire industry... and they gave away DOS for free , by distributing it to manufacturer , which helped to install there OS on top of it on hard drive and there best tactic yet is that they are still installed as default on almost all computer shipped by ODM. ( ODM stand for Original design manufacturer , they are the one building the computer for the OEM like IBM , Dell , HP , Gateway , etc... )
The technology is a minimal factor in Microsoft monopoly.
Yes , I replied to Anonymous coward , its more a mistake then idioty because I whas proven in the past that sometime ( not in this case ) intelligent people can use anonymosity to reply to me. English is actually my second Language , I never worked ( got paid to work for/by SuSe) for SuSe , never claimed I did either , contributed some for them yes , sold there product , yes again , you have a problem with reading your native language , I guess, You seem to have a problem with honest and truthfull people there is nothing wrong with shining shoe for a living , I personnaly dont do it , but if a man choose this means to feed himslef or his familly I will not like you mock him for it.
Using your real name , because your ashame of who you are and of your parents and of your ancestors , also giving the name of your comapany so that I can verify that your actually a novell partner as you (lied ) said in your own reply...
Exactly you gave your false opinions after I add given facts and you wrongly tought I would be polite in responding to your insults.
Your the one with a persecution complex , your the one hidding like a coward who you are.
What does offering a credible solution as to do with profitability ? And who are you to qualify it as a credible solution ?
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Let see
"Suse went bankrupt?"
cluelessness is not an excuse for your incompetence.
" Are you on drugs? "
Thats an insult...
"They were bought by Novell (much like Ximian)"
Thats false and a lie
"and SLES (Enterprise Server) is a huge seller. "
Thats false and a lie
"Novell have ported their Netware services to SUSE SLES9,"
Thats false and a lie due to cluelessness.
" please check www.novell.com/oes."
Thats a recent product information it does not in anyway , shape or form explain the history of suse and why they got bought.
"What you lack in facts you certainly make up in conviction."
Thats a lie and an insult.
go read some fact:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=137931&thres ho ld=-1&commentsort=0&tid=147&mode=thread&pid=115422 56#11543489
Actually as I said your a clueless drugy idiot and I stand by my words.
This whas not a conversation. I am glad your finally giving up on your stupid lies and insult.
Off course asking if someone is on drug is sarcasm , you must be inteligent enough to see the difference between sarcasm and an insult ( that whas sarcasm... )
Someone who ask me if I am on drug because he/she as no argument to back his position, I assume is on drug himself , Someone who dont know its fact is clueless , and someone who keep on defending is lies and cant back them up is an idiot in my book.
I forgot to ask whats the name of your company and the current position you have.
Whats your real name also...
Lets see how really offensive , abusive and incoherent I can be toward you. Lets see if I can sue your for diffamation : calling me a druggy and if you can back up your fact where it count.
Bankrupt is what you call a company wich as no money to continue to operate on its own , because of the accumulated debt they have they cannot borrow from anyone and they have to stop operating.
Main Entry: 1bankrupt Pronunciation: 'ba[ng]-(")kr&pt Function: noun Etymology: modification of Middle French & Old Italian; Middle French banqueroute bankruptcy, from Old Italian bancarotta, from banca bank + rotta broken, from Latin rupta, feminine of ruptus, past participle of rumpere to break -- more at BANK, REAVE 1 a : a person who has done any of the acts that by law entitle his creditors to have his estate administered for their benefit b : a person judicially declared subject to having his estate administered under the bankrupt laws for the benefit of his creditors c : a person who becomes insolvent 2 : one who is destitute of a particular thing
The dictionnary agree with me...
SuSe whas bankrupt and its remaining portfolio got bought by IBM... IBM sold it to novell in 2004.
- To think you would need a mind... - to misunderstand you would have to understand - to know the meaning you would have to know the history - to write word you would have to have been educated.
Yes , I know your a clueless idiot... SuSe the company dont exist anymore as not for a long time too, and come talk to me about the SuSe portfolio in 1 year... trust me it whont be named suse anymore , Even IBM kept SuSe.com now its a Novell website...
"You seem to be stuck in 2002, it is 2005 now."
Yes , its me who think SuSe still exist when its just a software portfolio inside novell now... You really are on drug...
"Novell's strategy as far as Linux/Suse is concerned is pretty coherent and the fact that they have put SLES9 on equal footing with Netware speaks volumes."
SLES9 Is a server OS netware are networking tools , equal footing ? you definatly know nothing...
"I am also a paying Mandrakeclub member (gold) for about a year and a half and I have become increasingly amazed at the low quality of their products."
And this as to do with your SuSe argument because ? Do you think I value the opinion of a clueless liar on drug ?
"I don't know what your beef is with Suse but"
I dont have a beef with dead thing , I have a beef with your lies and cluelessness about suse and its history...
SuSe would have love to be the equal of Red Hat they where not thats why IBM bought them and thats why IBM sold them to novell , winning company and product dont change hands for chump change.
I dont need to quote or test there software I use and sell them everyday... have been doing so for a realy long time too.
No , you sound like what you are : A clueless idiot on drug.
Yes got bought by IBM , thats why IBM kept 10% of it when it sold it to Novell... Its all public knowledge do your research...
"Are you on drugs?"
No , I dont smoke (tobaco ) either and I only drink socially about 4 time a year... and I have a 100% health , for now , I dont need any drugs of any kind. But your certainly on something...
"They were bought by Novell "
Yes from IBM... who got fed up to invest money in them after they owned it.
"much like Ximian"
No , Ximian whas not owned by anyone else but its owners...
"and SLES (Enterprise Server) is a huge seller."
Not really its not even in the top 50 best server sold...
"Novell have ported their Netware services to SUSE SLES9"
Netware supported SuSe long before SLES9 , Novell even supported Caldera ( Ray Noorda is the founder of Caldera ( SCO today ) he is a former Novell CEO. You dont know much about anything...
"please check www.novell.com/oes."
why ? its a really recent product information from Novell. Its not history of SuSe from its beginning to its end , or in my case living it...
What I know in fact and History and having actually lived tru it , can demolish your FUD and bulshit in 2 seconds.
SUSE Linux was originally based of [[Jurix]] [[Linux]] by Florian La Roche ( wich they employed and renumerated for is improvments) of wich they where an official fork; and started shipping In mid-1992 from the S.U.S.E corporation, formely The privately owned S.U.S.E company whas a resaller and service supplier for both The SLS and Slackware distributions wich where distributed on floppy-sets to there mostly Germans clients , Hubert Mantel, Burchard Steinbild, Roland Dyroff and Thomas Fehr where the Founder of S.U.S.E. The decision to use Jurix as base for there distribution are numerous , they add previously tried to integrate many of there fixes they had made for Slackware into the Slackware core wich whas rejected by its maintainer , they add numerous Slackware client wich they where not interested to loose at that time in history.
S.L.S. [[Softlanding Linux System]] (SLS) was founded by Peter McDonald, which was the first comprehensive distribution to contain elements such as [[X_Window_System|X]] and [[TCP/IP]]. The Slackware distribution (maintained by [[Patrick Volkerding]]) was initially based in large parts on SLS.
The S.u.S.E corporation was founded in late 1992 as a [[Unix|UNIX]] consulting group, which among other things continued to regularly released software packages that included SLS and [[Slackware]], and printed [[Unix|UNIX]]/[[Linux]] manuals. They released the first original CD version of SuSe in 1994, under the name S.u.S.E Linux 1.0.
The name "S.u.S.E.", later shortened to just "SuSE", was originally an acronym for the [[German language|German]] phrase "Software- und System-Entwicklung" ("Software and system development"). The company is now simply called SUSE LINUX, and "SUSE" does not officially stand for anything any more.
SuSe whas among the most technologicaly advanced Gnu/Linux based commercial distribution at the start of the 90's , including closed source technology they add bought from others or add invented and created themself . SuSe until 1997 whas considered a close second among the commercial distribution behind Red Hat in commercial market share, up until 1997 SuSe whas Europe #1 commercial distribution and whas often prized ahead of Red Hat in technological featured base competiton.
At the end of 1997 The GNU/Linux distribution wich is viewed by many as the one responsible for the destruction and dispariton of SUSE whas Created : Mandrake-Linux. In the following year ensued a Software and ideology Battle wich many see as the most interesting batle of the GNU/Linux era of
"RedHat/Fedora, Debian, SuSE, and Slackware are the most well known distros."
No:
SuSe dont exist anymore it whas bankrupt got bought by IBM who sold it to Novell last year. Somehow I feel it as not sinked in many peoples mind ( you do have a mind right )... Succesfull company dont get bought and resold...
Slackware is one of the oldest distribution but its not used that much anymore. Its the oldest commercial distribution and is also a commercial failure.
Debian is a big project , there not that well known outside of GNU/Linux. Commercialy , dont make me laugh.
Red Hat/Fedora is the broken promise of a 3.2 billion company who rided both the GNU/Linux wave and the Internet and dot.com bubble. And who dont feel like doing the job its got so much money for. ( its sad to see that Dell whas started with 50 million )
"And Mandrake?"
Yes the #1 distribution at the moment it can do what all the others do and can do some more.
"Most distros are ripoffs of the first 4."
You show right there to not understand at all how open source and GNU/Linux work , beside what as RH/Fed , Deb , Slack contributed to KDE beside nothing ? anything to GNU/Linux on the desktop ? No... etc... There desktop is supposed to be Gnome , we see more improvment coming from everybody else then from Red hat.
"Mandrake is RedHat based."
No , Mandrake is based of the source of Red Hat wich are Gnu/Linux , but its not based of Red Hat. Never whas never will.
"Gentoo is one of the few of the relatively new distros that is really different."
Gentoo is a piece of shit from a group of Leechers wich is not even supported by its own user thats why Daniel Robbins add to leave the project with 20k of debts...
- It as no installer like Debian ( thats not different) - It as no real Gui based tool ( thats not different ) - There user dont support the distribution , millions of download and some people are doing the work and paying for it ( thats not different ),etc...
"Knoppix, too, is more than "just a Debian ripoff". "
Yes its a Mandrake ripp off , the detetction tools are from Mandrake... and lot of other software included , KDE come to mind. But hey you dont know anything about everything keep it up... ( I whas midly cynical in including some truth on the last paragraph Gnu/Linux is great for this everyone can use the source and improve a software. )
"I'm not criticizing them for copying"
You would have to know the subject to criticize... your just fudding and repeating the same lies over and over... Copying mean , taking from the others , its the other who are playing catch up to Mandrake...
" Just that what's the advantage of using a RedHat based distro when you can just use RedHat?"
How come you falsely claim its Red Hat based , when Red Hat dont even Include what Mandrake as ?
Why would you whant to use the inferior product not even supported by a 3.2 billion company , when you can use the superior distribution shipped and supported by MandrakeSoft ?
"Easy to think of one disadvantage-- "
Easy to fabricate a really stupid lie you mean...
"you have to switch or live with obsolescence if the obscure distro you're using isn't being updated anymore. "
1) Its Gnu/Linux... 2) Its Open Source... 3) Its Red Hat who is obscure in there strategy and who do stop supporting there products...
"Never having used Mandrake"
Thank you , at least one truth...
"all I know about "
Is that you know nothing...
"all I know about it is it's supposed to be friendlier than RedHat. "
Red Hat , Mandrake. Novell(SuSe) , Slackware , Conectiva , Red Flag , Knoppix , etc..
All put togheter equals a 7% Of the Desktop Market share when Apple is only 3% and that Intuit support them and as a release of Quicken to support them.
a software wich start an action in the background so that you dont have to do it yourself everytime. Mandrake as More of those included in there Distribution.
Its also the term commercial company use to describe the work they offer you to support there product for a fee or for free ( as in no cost ). Mandrake also as more of those.
Mandrake as the most largest collection of software (790 000 availaible , mostly du by being rpm based and also being compatible with Red Hat , SuSe , Colectiva , etc... ) its been proven many time over ( Gentoo as around 16 000 , many commercial apps will not run on Gentoo , its not to say they cant be made to run , wich I am sure they could , being a GNU/Linux , there just not ready and availiable at this time ) , and number of software is not an answer to a question about service , services and software are two different things.
On Mandrake you have a high security default and a Military style default availaible , both of wich have no service started , Gentoo as no default or automatic security setting.
Every test that as proven Gentoo to be superior to Mandrake as been proven to be a scam.
- 2.4.5 Linux kernel in Gentoo VS 2.4.1 in Mandrake
when 2.4.5 availaible in Mandrake VS the one available in Gentoo whas used , Mandrake whas proven to be 2-4 time faster.
Gimp in Mandrake VS Gimp in Gento + some flags
When Mandrake used the same flags used by Gentoo again Mandrake whas proven to be 2-4 time faster then Gentoo.
Mandrake does have what all the other distribution offer and have and then some more that they dont , the others cant and whont do the same as Mandrake.
Keep spreading the lies about Gentoo , its going to bring back Daniel Robbins and the 20k he add to pay out of is own pocket because Gentoo user are more inteligent and work more and support more there Distribution then Mandrake Users do. ( I whas beeing cynical on that last part )
Gento does not have as many service as is available on Mandrake , they could have them but they dont whant to include them,they also dont have them available because they dont know some of them exists.
If you dont know how to set up a system its going to be slow , its a fact
Gento like to say that there distribution and software run faster due to compilation they believe are not availaible on Mandrake when the same compilation method are availaible for Mandrake. Thats why there not faster and why its bulshit.
Slashdot Mirror
The last link I gave seems problematic
http://www.computerwire.com/industries/research
http://news.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/08/1
"latest quarterly summary"
Latest = October to December 2004
Quaterly = 1 quarter
Summary = What whe ( Jacques Le Marois
"So you're dead wrong about where their money comes from."
Actually from this report can you tell me how many MandrakeClub suscriber there is and at what level each of them are ?
Whats the product sale of say Canada ?
Whats The product sale of Australia ?
Whats the service sale of Germany ?
Whats the service sale of Spain ?
Whats the Government Sale %.
Whats the debt repaiment ?
What are the debt ?
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"Also, your numbers are slightly off."
Yes , I will give you that one for the company share value at the present time.
"that's about 50 million USD."
actually its 52.7948
" they're not the size of RedHat but that's one of the reasons I like them."
Your right and wrong , they are bigger. And have a smaller debt , in 2024 Red Hat as a 500 million debt to repay.
http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/2004/pr
"I don't know where you got the loss figure from but I bought the stock at 2.1 euros. On 4 August 2004"
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/investors/n
"Moreno Valley, CA; Paris, France; December 22, 2004. Mandrakesoft closed a 3.05 million euros increase of capital via subscription for 508,333 new shares at 6 euros per share, an increase in shares of 10.58%. Shares outstanding are now 5,312,889"
"On 4 August 2004, it was 2.39 Euros. It is now 7.60 Euros"
I have to agree with you , on your own personnal investment based only on the share value increase and when you bought it its an increase.
I whas writing about when Mandrakesoft actually made its IPO up until now
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I dont have an opinion about MandrakeSoft , I have too numerous fact and inside report to be an opinion. And I am tottaly biased about seeing them do well.
Who said I dont like Jacques Le Marois as a person ? He just happen to be a bad Manager at MandrakeSoft at least.
Dont forget to ask him about HP deals , if its for europe or just france
http://www.computerwire.com/industries/research
"They had no money and couldn't fulfil debt obligations "
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WRONG ! MandrakeClub whas making millions , the problem whas the creditor asking to be paid without any delay.
Also I will add that Sales , Services and Support are plagued by the current Management.
" Once they axed the former board"
Jacques Le Marois is still there , Poole whas not the descision maker, MandrakeSoft contrary to popular belief is more then a match to Red Hat , the problem is that Idiot. He block sales , still make stupid exlusive dealls , Make deals for a quick buck but which are harming MAndrakeSoft expansion in the immediate and futur, Speaking of the HP deal which is exclusive to ONLY France (not even europe)
MandrakeClub is 80% of there income , they use that money to develop there failing corporate side , which could be made into a winner if they at least promoted it properly , and the other venture which dont pay off.
"the rules governing bankruptcy in France are far more forgiving and lenient than they are in the US."
WRONG ! The rule for Bankrupty are far more oppresive in France.
Mandrake never whas in Bankrupty protection they where in cessation of payment which is two step above Bankrupty.
"The leadership at Mandrakesoft over the past few years has been excellent "
Little secret for you MandrakeSoft as more product and is bigger worldwide then Red Hat , they are in market Red Hat dont even know exist.
Red Hat is worth 4 billion
MandrakeSoft is worth 30 Million now
"Besides, with a 300% rise in their stock price in the last 4 months"
Actually , your stock price as lost 15% of its value they did not raised capital they diluated the stock and the current price is 1$ over the initial price of its introduction to the market
7$.
DEC add some great product but most of them where crap.
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n de x.html
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Yes they have evolved by 2
http://www20.tomshardware.com/mobile/20041213/i
thats part of last years models
I dont think a 4 year old hard drive is whats to be used for comparing evolution , try buying something which whas not built 4 years ago
And Hard drives are not the only component in a notebook.
DEC is dead for a reason
notebook components are like every other components they evolved by 2
You live in a "republic" where your government is decided by the STATES ...
... and not the biggest lobby ...
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... Hence its not the gun killing you its going to be me and its your fault you let me have a gun.
In America ( wich is not exclusively the United States ) "MOST" people dont carry a gun around and DONT own a gun either.
In a Democracy its the people who vote for the government and when the government is elected by the public the public vote with the enviroment law
I have a test for people like you
- You have a pencil wich can be used as a weapon.
- You have a base-ball bat wich can be used as a weapon.
- You have a knife wich can be used as a weapon.
- You have a gun wich can be used as a weapon.
- You have a Military Machine gun wich can be used as a weapon.
I am going to give you 1 meter of distance between you and I , when you say start, I start going and try to kill you, you can only run as fast as you can. If I fail I switch to another weapon.
I will start with the Military machine gun
Its not my fault if your going to be dead I am a people killing stupid people who think gun have another purpose then to kill
I tought that NASA meant National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Now we all know why the space shuttle are grounded
"fail to realize potential"
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Actually what most people fail to see is that those technologies are developped to be resold to someone else or to be used in partnership with
A good example is Google web searching technology
nothing in technology is ever finished
Actually you missed a step , probably the most important too , for all the bad publicity Mcdonalds get , most of the people seems to forget that Mcdonalds is one of the burger enterprise who is giving the most for charity ...
http://www.rmhc.org/
"What if Hitler had never invaded Russia?"
... Russia winter is cold but without heating supply its suicidal.
...
... This means no A bomb , no tank , no airplane , no storm troop.
... and they gave away DOS for free , by distributing it to manufacturer , which helped to install there OS on top of it on hard drive and there best tactic yet is that they are still installed as default ... )
He still as a hold of Europe , and Canada still come up with its 3rd generation tank and airplane which the US of A stole when they joined and they are still cut of there fuel supply
"What if he had invaded Britian earlier in the war?"
The stromtroop where still from Canada , the tank still from Canada , the fighter and bomber plane still from Canada
The Reality is that in both world war to have won the axis would have add to crush entirely Canada
Microsoft is a monopoly not because of superior technology , but because 1) they broke every law in the books and 2) they add intelligent exclusive deals ( IBM and then other company ) ( dont get me started on "exclusive" stupid deals with the entire industry
on almost all computer shipped by ODM. ( ODM stand for Original design manufacturer , they are the one building the computer for the OEM like IBM , Dell , HP , Gateway , etc
The technology is a minimal factor in Microsoft monopoly.
Yes , I replied to Anonymous coward , its more a mistake then idioty because I whas proven in the past that sometime ( not in this case ) intelligent people can use anonymosity to reply to me. English is actually my second Language , I never worked ( got paid to work for/by SuSe) for SuSe , never claimed I did either , contributed some for them yes , sold there product , yes again , you have a problem with reading your native language , I guess, You seem to have a problem with honest and truthfull people there is nothing wrong with shining shoe for a living , I personnaly dont do it , but if a man choose this means to feed himslef or his familly I will not like you mock him for it.
Using your real name , because your ashame of who you are and of your parents and of your ancestors , also giving the name of your comapany so that I can verify that your actually a novell partner as you (lied ) said in your own reply ...
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Exactly you gave your false opinions after I add given facts and you wrongly tought I would be polite in responding to your insults.
Your the one with a persecution complex , your the one hidding like a coward who you are.
What does offering a credible solution as to do with profitability ? And who are you to qualify it as a credible solution ?
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Let see
"Suse went bankrupt?"
cluelessness is not an excuse for your incompetence.
" Are you on drugs? "
Thats an insult
"They were bought by Novell (much like Ximian)"
Thats false and a lie
"and SLES (Enterprise Server) is a huge seller. "
Thats false and a lie
"Novell have ported their Netware services to SUSE SLES9,"
Thats false and a lie due to cluelessness.
" please check www.novell.com/oes
Thats a recent product information it does not in anyway , shape or form explain the history of suse and why they got bought.
"What you lack in facts you certainly make up in conviction."
Thats a lie and an insult.
go read some fact
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=137931&thre
Actually as I said your a clueless drugy idiot and I stand by my words.
This whas not a conversation. I am glad your finally giving up on your stupid lies and insult.
Off course asking if someone is on drug is sarcasm , you must be inteligent enough to see the difference between sarcasm and an insult ( that whas sarcasm ... )
I guess your too coward to back your insult and lies in the real world
Civilised people use there real name ( Moulinneuf is mine ). There not ashame of who they are and what they are saying.
Yes
Someone who ask me if I am on drug because he/she as no argument to back his position, I assume is on drug himself , Someone who dont know its fact is clueless , and someone who keep on defending is lies and cant back them up is an idiot in my book.
I dont drink coffee either , spyros from portugal if thats really you ...
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Cant be too many people that can really claim to be novell partner in portugal and have the name spyros.
Still asking about your entire real name and the company you work for
I forgot to ask whats the name of your company and the current position you have.
...
Whats your real name also
Lets see how really offensive , abusive and incoherent I can be toward you. Lets see if I can sue your for diffamation : calling me a druggy and if you can back up your fact where it count.
"bankrupt"
n ary&va=bankrupt
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... IBM sold it to novell in 2004.
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Bankrupt is what you call a company wich as no money to continue to operate on its own , because of the accumulated debt they have they cannot borrow from anyone and they have to stop operating.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictio
Main Entry: 1bankrupt
Pronunciation: 'ba[ng]-(")kr&pt
Function: noun
Etymology: modification of Middle French & Old Italian; Middle French banqueroute bankruptcy, from Old Italian bancarotta, from banca bank + rotta broken, from Latin rupta, feminine of ruptus, past participle of rumpere to break -- more at BANK, REAVE
1 a : a person who has done any of the acts that by law entitle his creditors to have his estate administered for their benefit b : a person judicially declared subject to having his estate administered under the bankrupt laws for the benefit of his creditors c : a person who becomes insolvent
2 : one who is destitute of a particular thing
The dictionnary agree with me
SuSe whas bankrupt and its remaining portfolio got bought by IBM
- To think you would need a mind
- to misunderstand you would have to understand
- to know the meaning you would have to know the history
- to write word you would have to have been educated.
"I don't understand what you are talking about. "
... SuSe the company dont exist anymore as not for a long time too, and come talk to me about the SuSe portfolio in 1 year ... trust me it whont be named suse anymore , Even IBM kept SuSe.com now its a Novell website ...
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... have been doing so for a realy long time too.
Yes , I know your a clueless idiot
"You seem to be stuck in 2002, it is 2005 now."
Yes , its me who think SuSe still exist when its just a software portfolio inside novell now
You really are on drug
"Novell's strategy as far as Linux/Suse is concerned is pretty coherent and the fact that they have put SLES9 on equal footing with Netware speaks volumes."
SLES9 Is a server OS netware are networking tools , equal footing ? you definatly know nothing
"I am also a paying Mandrakeclub member (gold) for about a year and a half and I have become increasingly amazed at the low quality of their products."
And this as to do with your SuSe argument because ? Do you think I value the opinion of a clueless liar on drug ?
"I don't know what your beef is with Suse but"
I dont have a beef with dead thing , I have a beef with your lies and cluelessness about suse and its history
SuSe would have love to be the equal of Red Hat they where not thats why IBM bought them and thats why IBM sold them to novell , winning company and product dont change hands for chump change.
I dont need to quote or test there software I use and sell them everyday
No , you sound like what you are : A clueless idiot on drug.
"Suse went bankrupt?"
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... and I have a 100% health , for now , I dont need any drugs of any kind. But your certainly on something ...
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Yes got bought by IBM , thats why IBM kept 10% of it when it sold it to Novell
"Are you on drugs?"
No , I dont smoke (tobaco ) either and I only drink socially about 4 time a year
"They were bought by Novell "
Yes from IBM
"much like Ximian"
No , Ximian whas not owned by anyone else but its owners
"and SLES (Enterprise Server) is a huge seller."
Not really its not even in the top 50 best server sold
"Novell have ported their Netware services to SUSE SLES9"
Netware supported SuSe long before SLES9 , Novell even supported Caldera ( Ray Noorda is the founder of Caldera ( SCO today ) he is a former Novell CEO. You dont know much about anything
"please check www.novell.com/oes
why ? its a really recent product information from Novell. Its not history of SuSe from its beginning to its end , or in my case living it
What I know in fact and History and having actually lived tru it , can demolish your FUD and bulshit in 2 seconds.
SUSE Linux was originally based of [[Jurix]] [[Linux]] by Florian La Roche ( wich they employed and renumerated for is improvments) of wich they where an official fork; and started shipping In mid-1992 from the S.U.S.E corporation, formely The privately owned S.U.S.E company whas a resaller and service supplier for both The SLS and Slackware distributions wich where distributed on floppy-sets to there mostly Germans clients , Hubert Mantel, Burchard Steinbild, Roland Dyroff and Thomas Fehr where the Founder of S.U.S.E. The decision to use Jurix as base for there distribution are numerous , they add previously tried to integrate many of there fixes they had made for Slackware into the Slackware core wich whas rejected by its maintainer , they add numerous Slackware client wich they where not interested to loose at that time in history.
S.L.S. [[Softlanding Linux System]] (SLS) was founded by Peter McDonald, which was the first comprehensive distribution to contain elements such as [[X_Window_System|X]] and [[TCP/IP]]. The Slackware distribution (maintained by [[Patrick Volkerding]]) was initially based in large parts on SLS.
The S.u.S.E corporation was founded in late 1992 as a [[Unix|UNIX]] consulting group, which among other things continued to regularly released software packages that included SLS and [[Slackware]], and printed [[Unix|UNIX]]/[[Linux]] manuals. They released the first original CD version of SuSe in 1994, under the name S.u.S.E Linux 1.0.
The name "S.u.S.E.", later shortened to just "SuSE", was originally an acronym for the [[German language|German]] phrase "Software- und System-Entwicklung" ("Software and system development"). The company is now simply called SUSE LINUX, and "SUSE" does not officially stand for anything any more.
SuSe whas among the most technologicaly advanced Gnu/Linux based commercial distribution at the start of the 90's , including closed source technology they add bought from others or add invented and created themself . SuSe until 1997 whas considered a close second among the commercial distribution behind Red Hat in commercial market share, up until 1997 SuSe whas Europe #1 commercial distribution and whas often prized ahead of Red Hat in technological featured base competiton.
At the end of 1997 The GNU/Linux distribution wich is viewed by many as the one responsible for the destruction and dispariton of SUSE whas Created : Mandrake-Linux. In the following year ensued a Software and ideology Battle wich many see as the most interesting batle of the GNU/Linux era of
"RedHat/Fedora, Debian, SuSE, and Slackware are the most well known distros."
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... etc ... There desktop is supposed to be Gnome , we see more improvment coming from everybody else then from Red hat.
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... and lot of other software included , KDE come to mind. But hey you dont know anything about everything keep it up ... ( I whas midly cynical in including some truth on the last paragraph Gnu/Linux is great for this everyone can use the source and improve a software. )
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SuSe dont exist anymore it whas bankrupt got bought by IBM who sold it to Novell last year.
Somehow I feel it as not sinked in many peoples mind ( you do have a mind right )
Slackware is one of the oldest distribution but its not used that much anymore. Its the oldest commercial distribution and is also a commercial failure.
Debian is a big project , there not that well known outside of GNU/Linux. Commercialy , dont make me laugh.
Red Hat/Fedora is the broken promise of a 3.2 billion company who rided both the GNU/Linux wave and the Internet and dot.com bubble. And who dont feel like doing the job its got so much money for. ( its sad to see that Dell whas started with 50 million )
"And Mandrake?"
Yes the #1 distribution at the moment it can do what all the others do and can do some more.
"Most distros are ripoffs of the first 4."
You show right there to not understand at all how open source and GNU/Linux work , beside what as RH/Fed , Deb , Slack contributed to KDE beside nothing ? anything to GNU/Linux on the desktop ? No
"Mandrake is RedHat based."
No , Mandrake is based of the source of Red Hat wich are Gnu/Linux , but its not based of Red Hat. Never whas never will.
"Gentoo is one of the few of the relatively new distros that is really different."
Gentoo is a piece of shit from a group of Leechers wich is not even supported by its own user thats why Daniel Robbins add to leave the project with 20k of debts
- It as no installer like Debian ( thats not different)
- It as no real Gui based tool ( thats not different )
- There user dont support the distribution , millions of download and some people are doing the work and paying for it ( thats not different ),etc
"Knoppix, too, is more than "just a Debian ripoff". "
Yes its a Mandrake ripp off , the detetction tools are from Mandrake
"I'm not criticizing them for copying"
You would have to know the subject to criticize
" Just that what's the advantage of using a RedHat based distro when you can just use RedHat?"
How come you falsely claim its Red Hat based , when Red Hat dont even Include what Mandrake as ?
Why would you whant to use the inferior product not even supported by a 3.2 billion company , when you can use the superior distribution shipped and supported by MandrakeSoft ?
"Easy to think of one disadvantage-- "
Easy to fabricate a really stupid lie you mean
"you have to switch or live with obsolescence if the obscure distro you're using isn't being updated anymore. "
1) Its Gnu/Linux
2) Its Open Source
3) Its Red Hat who is obscure in there strategy and who do stop supporting there products
"Never having used Mandrake"
Thank you , at least one truth
"all I know about "
Is that you know nothing
"all I know about it is it's supposed to be friendlier than RedHat. "
- Run faster
Its not so funny when you know that :
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Red Hat , Mandrake. Novell(SuSe) , Slackware , Conectiva , Red Flag , Knoppix , etc
All put togheter equals a 7% Of the Desktop Market share when Apple is only 3% and that Intuit support them and as a release of Quicken to support them.
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/Go vernment/opensource.mspx
run run for your life !!! where's my tinfoil hat !!!
There are more services availaible on Mandrake.
Service is two thing
a software wich start an action in the background so that you dont have to do it yourself everytime. Mandrake as More of those included in there Distribution.
Its also the term commercial company use to describe the work they offer you to support there product for a fee or for free ( as in no cost ). Mandrake also as more of those.
Mandrake as the most largest collection of software (790 000 availaible , mostly du by being rpm based and also being compatible with Red Hat , SuSe , Colectiva , etc
On Mandrake you have a high security default and a Military style default availaible , both of wich have no service started , Gentoo as no default or automatic security setting.
Every test that as proven Gentoo to be superior to Mandrake as been proven to be a scam.
- 2.4.5 Linux kernel in Gentoo VS 2.4.1 in Mandrake
when 2.4.5 availaible in Mandrake VS the one available in Gentoo whas used , Mandrake whas proven to be 2-4 time faster.
Gimp in Mandrake VS Gimp in Gento + some flags
When Mandrake used the same flags used by Gentoo again Mandrake whas proven to be 2-4 time faster then Gentoo.
Mandrake does have what all the other distribution offer and have and then some more that they dont , the others cant and whont do the same as Mandrake.
Keep spreading the lies about Gentoo , its going to bring back Daniel Robbins and the 20k he add to pay out of is own pocket because Gentoo user are more inteligent and work more and support more there Distribution then Mandrake Users do.
( I whas beeing cynical on that last part )
How is answering with the truth flamebait ?
,they also dont have them available because they dont know some of them exists.
Gento does not have as many service as is available on Mandrake , they could have them but they dont whant to include them
If you dont know how to set up a system its going to be slow , its a fact
Gento like to say that there distribution and software run faster due to compilation they believe are not availaible on Mandrake when the same compilation method are availaible for Mandrake. Thats why there not faster and why its bulshit.
Feel free to proove otherwise.