Don't mind me, I'll let you get back to designing that infinity drive powered fusion anti-matter sparko-manoflap thing. Or whatever "important" stuff you and you're computer happen to be doing.
I'm more of an alt-tab (and for that matter, I use a gnu screen for multiple vi instances) kind of person rather than clicking on the taskbar so what you're going through there isn't really an issue for me. FWIW though, when I get 10 or so windows open on my desktop I start to appreciate the task grouping behavior. I checked to see if you could turn grouping off and it doesn't look like it. If it's really killing you just install fbpanel and run it ignoring the Unity panel.
BTW - why is the menu is hidden when not in use.
Makes it so you can see more of the window title. When you need the menu, mouse to it. I dig it when I'm browsing with a bunch of tabs and want to see the entire tab title at a glance. But that's just me I guess.
Unity on the lowend is laughable. Clicking the search button is nearly as much of a kiss of death as the old keyboards with standby buttons on Win98.
That I can pretty much agree with. They have some minimum requirements but 700 MHz seems a little low to me. Anything under my purview ranking lower than about a 2 GHz P4 gets the Openbox treatment.
Logic like that would have us still using Program Manager.
Or it would have us debate these things on actual merit rather than the hysterical hyperbole often seen when the timeless window manager/DE of choice discussion pops up.
Choice quotes on this very page:
People who have real work to do are already using XFCE.
Have you ever used Gnome3, you dumb fuck?
Windows 8 actually makes Gnome 3 look somewhat usable
Not sure what your definition of "real work" is but I somehow manage to get a few things done here and there with pretty much equal ease switching between Gnome 2.3 on my Debian box, Unity on my Ubuntu clad laptop, and Openbox pretty much everywhere else. What is it specifically that is giving you so much trouble if I may ask?
Maybe it's the cynicism growing on me but I don't get the constant bitching and moaning over desktop decorations. Back in the day I used KDE3.x and it was fine. Then I used Gnome 2.x and it was fine. Now I use Unity and it is just fine too. On my low-end tinker-boxes, I use Openbox and Fbpanel. And it's all fine. Alt-f2, Alt-tab, Alt-f4, and Alt-Space work everywhere. Focus on your applications, fellas; that's what's important.
Which Android client supports all of these things? The only thing on Android that can do video/audio/3D with aplomb while offering a consumer accessible server component is Splashtop and a couple also-rans nobody has ever heard of. For printing and other USB support, I haven't seen anything on Android in a remote desktop package.
Average broadband speed in the US last I checked was 6.7 Mbps. Couple that with pings of 20 to 30 ms to Dell's servers and vnc would work quite well for anything short of video and gaming. I use vnc all the time on a similar connection and after fiddling with the encoding/compression/quality knobs, latency is practically non-discernible. I'm very sensitive to that kind of thing too which is why I eschew Splashtop as while it slings video great, there's just enough inherent latency to make me not use it. The typical consumer would probably not even notice it. For reference, I vnc into a Comcast business connection with 21/5 Mbps from a home with 5/.5 Mbps with avg ping of about 20 ms and it works fantastically. When I use nx on my laptop from here to there, latency is undetectable. As in I get a desired response faster than I can lift my finger off the key I just pressed. And that's me just throwing some stuff together and getting lucky. Surely Dell can do better.
I'm a fan of Splashtop myself. That and Chrome Remote Desktop are the only consumer accessible client/server combinations I've seen that can truly deliver when it comes to video and gaming over the network. I assume it's the video style encoding server side and subsequent decoding on the client versus older stuff like rdp and vnc. That said, one thing I'm not crazy about is no matter how close you get, there's always that seemingly inherent half tick of latency that bugs me. With vnc, nx, or rdp, this isn't an issue as long as the network itself is up to the task. That would be why I'm using vnc from my Galaxy Nexus to my desktop to post this rather than the Splashtop client I could be using.
Worried you wouldn't be taken seriously so you figured dropping the old stereotypic racist comment at the end might bolster your credibility some? Did it work? Are you homophobic too? I'm sure a faggot joke would make a great encore you fucking worthless, mouth-breathing, shit-for-brains, jackass. Go ahead, douchebag. Let's see what you can dig out of the shit that's so old it wasn't even funny the first time Moses said it joke scroll. Of course, if you're feeling real froggy, you might surprise us all and point that collection of 200 odd neurons you try to pass off as a brain in the same direction for once and actually come up with something original. I know that's asking a lot so just baby step it and start by shitting out an insult that's honest to Goddamned funny!
Or it someone philosophically opposed to the idea of closed source software running on an open source OS?
People with that view do exist, and dismissing their point of view as a troll is a nice easy way of ignoring it without taking the time to think about it.
But can't I do both? I've thought about the whole closed source binaries running on top of the open platform quite a bit since I've been using Linux on the desktop for a number of years now. My conclusion? Better an open OS with a few proprietary applications to fill the cracks than a closed OS and everything being the other way around. That's a personal choice though and I don't try to force it on anybody else. I may politely recite the as seen by me virtues if it comes up but that's about it. Besides, Linux had proprietary shops writing applications for it a looooong time ago so that ship has pretty much done sailed for anybody keeping score. Not only that but Valve produces a tiny fraction of the games on Steam so, whoever's offended, be sure to spread some of that ire around while you're huffing and puffing. And don't look now but the Android Market is full of closed source apps and sure as shit, Android is a Linux to the core. If you think Dalvik is reason enough to beg to differ then I'll direct your attention to the vast quantity of well known apps that are compiled from native code with the NDK making them Linux binaries.
To conclude my repost, some of the previous paragraph is predicated on a presumption made by you that isn't even true. Whether I agree with them or not, people that are sincere in their preference to resist the encroachment of proprietary software on the Linux landscape don't even remotely qualify as trolls. I used the "t word" for the simple fact that I believe the "donotwant" tag on this submission was put there by an actual troll, that is, someone with an axe to grind and not as a representation of a sincere belief. It's an opinion. Deal with it.
Yes, anyone that disagrees with you is clearly trolling.
While that may or may not be true it certainly isn't what I was saying. The guy I responded to asked a loaded question by presuming it was cynicism that led to the "donotwant" tag. My opinion is much of the anti-Steam/Valve/Gabe Newell is simple troll rabble-rousing. Note the fact that this is the comment section of a tech blog not a deposition. Opinions are welcome.
Sure you could but then you either need a prescription or a good street connection. Schedule 2 drugs aren't as easy as you might think to get a doctor to just glibly sign off on. If you go the street route, to get the same effect you get with a gram of meth from something like Adderal or Vivance will cost you several times the cash. Also, meth can be smoked, snorted, IV'd, shoved up your ass, or swallowed so it's a lot more flexible than the pharmaceuticals. It all adds up to meth if you're serious about amphetamine use.
You need to guess again. There's only one methamphetamine HCl molecule and it doesn't care whether it comes in a little baggy or over the counter at the drug store. If you want to say the street stuff is inferior because it's cut then do an acetone wash and problem solved.
Hmm, your argument is convincing however I think I'm going to stick to stockpiling the one resource that will stand the test of time: gold.
Humor aside, I have yet to see one legitimate breakdown of civilization in the modern world -even a short-lived one like during hurricane Katrina- where the ersatz cash wielding citizenry start going around trading gold dubloons. There is of course always some nuance to satisfy any objection but I find the "gold is the answer" trope dubious in the extreme.
Besides, is one party really any more cut off than the other? It's just two separate networks at that point. You can make arbitrary distinctions such as which network is bigger but it's really just two fragments of a former whole with neither side being a more valid network than the other
You really need to be more specific as any answer you get can be handwaved away by a simple moving of the goalpost. Is the country that cuts the internet off small? If so, it has already happened so just read the recent bitcoin history books. Is the country large? How large? Iran large? Japan large? USA large? China? Each one of those scenarios has the potential for a significantly different outcome. State your scenario in detail and you will probably get a better answer.
For a currency that is supposed to be immune to government intervention, it seems this is an area where it suffers significantly.
Don't look now but Bitcoins may be more useful than you realize in the face of government interference.
I think Amazon can pull it off on the strength of their own ecosystem. Very few players that are both in the phone/tablet business can boast such. As soon as the HTC's and the LG's of the world broke bad they and their customers would get cut out of Google Play pretty much dooming their devices to rot on store shelves. Of course you can keep going with it and consider the small players cutting content deals with Amazon or even Microsoft but it gets so speculative that it's completely outside of the context of this thread.
I wish that people knew where all of these fancy features are coming from, that way Opera would have more funding to innovate.
While the cynic may see it as chump change especially in multi-national mega-corp terms, in 2011, Opera Software's net income came in at a comfortable 24.6 million dollars on an operating income of 156.5 million, a substantial increase over the year before. Not quite as much as Mozilla who netted 43 million in 2009 but for a small company of 777 employees just doing their thing making their browser, it's not too bad. Bear in mind too that Mozilla resides in the US while Opera is in Norway so a direct 1:1 comparison of financials can be slightly misleading especially when you take into account social services especially health care the respective companys' employees have access to and the different tax structures they exist under. Financially, Opera Software looks healthy with very low debt, and I think 150 million in cash reserves which, again, for their size is not too shabby.
Most of their revenue comes from two places, namely licensing and search deals with licensing bringing in a bit more. Search is huge for them accounting for about a third of their income so they're in pretty deep with Google and to a much lesser extent Yandex and Amazon. While being heavily dependent on one other company that barring contractual obligations could turn the money off at a whim isn't the greatest thing ever, it's obviously better to have it than not have it just bearing in mind that it might not always be there. The bright side is their licensing revenues are not only slightly larger than search but actually appear to be growing faster respectively as well. And since they do offer some unique technology enabling web browsing on very low-end feature phones that otherwise wouldn't have it at all (as far as I know), it's reasonable to think the licensing revenue is fairly stable.
If you want the whole story, here's their (warning pdf)2011 annual report. Riveting.
Well, isn't it obvious? 'Cuz it's shiny, man! Just take a whiff of that new bit smell? Can't get enough? Me neither! Don't worry your pretty little head about that old and busted OS you were using before. It's gone, over, kaput. Capiche? Any time during the "adjustment" period wasted musing that what you had before worked perfectly well and what you have now is some franken-kludge mix of "oh shit, the iPad" and "the desktop? There's an app for that" will be summarily placed on a roll in the bathroom. Didn't you get the verbatim memo that's been plastered on every message board internet wide for the last two years admonishing you that if you don't like Windows $NEXT it's only because you fear change^H^H^H^H progress? Well, we'll be happy to send copies in triplicate to whatever rock you've been hiding under since there is no way our relationship management partners^H^H^H^H^H^H^H happy grassroots community of erstwhile enthusiasts could possibly have missed you anywhere in the civilized world. I mean, God forbid a good law abiding PC such as yourself suffer the indignity of not sending us as much of your money as you can hold in both hands and stuff in an envelope. DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVE.......
Aren't those made by Samsung? Does google do the drivers and only leave Samsung the hardware?
Yes, Samsung makes the 10, however, AOSP hosts the factory images and drivers since it is a true Nexus device. The AOSP site is always my first stop when I'm planning a new Android purchase.
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He got the initial pictures where a lot of these kinds of creeps do. Hacking email accounts, etc.
Um, or both, maybe?
So. please don't mutter /. Thanks.
There now. FTFY
Don't mind me, I'll let you get back to designing that infinity drive powered fusion anti-matter sparko-manoflap thing. Or whatever "important" stuff you and you're computer happen to be doing.
I'm more of an alt-tab (and for that matter, I use a gnu screen for multiple vi instances) kind of person rather than clicking on the taskbar so what you're going through there isn't really an issue for me. FWIW though, when I get 10 or so windows open on my desktop I start to appreciate the task grouping behavior. I checked to see if you could turn grouping off and it doesn't look like it. If it's really killing you just install fbpanel and run it ignoring the Unity panel.
BTW - why is the menu is hidden when not in use.
Makes it so you can see more of the window title. When you need the menu, mouse to it. I dig it when I'm browsing with a bunch of tabs and want to see the entire tab title at a glance. But that's just me I guess.
Unity on the lowend is laughable. Clicking the search button is nearly as much of a kiss of death as the old keyboards with standby buttons on Win98.
That I can pretty much agree with. They have some minimum requirements but 700 MHz seems a little low to me. Anything under my purview ranking lower than about a 2 GHz P4 gets the Openbox treatment.
Logic like that would have us still using Program Manager.
Or it would have us debate these things on actual merit rather than the hysterical hyperbole often seen when the timeless window manager/DE of choice discussion pops up.
Choice quotes on this very page:
People who have real work to do are already using XFCE.
Have you ever used Gnome3, you dumb fuck?
Windows 8 actually makes Gnome 3 look somewhat usable
And on and on and on.
Alt-f2, Alt-tab, Alt-f4, and Alt-Space work everywhere
The hell they do.
Sure they do.
Not sure what your definition of "real work" is but I somehow manage to get a few things done here and there with pretty much equal ease switching between Gnome 2.3 on my Debian box, Unity on my Ubuntu clad laptop, and Openbox pretty much everywhere else. What is it specifically that is giving you so much trouble if I may ask?
Maybe it's the cynicism growing on me but I don't get the constant bitching and moaning over desktop decorations. Back in the day I used KDE3.x and it was fine. Then I used Gnome 2.x and it was fine. Now I use Unity and it is just fine too. On my low-end tinker-boxes, I use Openbox and Fbpanel. And it's all fine. Alt-f2, Alt-tab, Alt-f4, and Alt-Space work everywhere. Focus on your applications, fellas; that's what's important.
Which Android client supports all of these things? The only thing on Android that can do video/audio/3D with aplomb while offering a consumer accessible server component is Splashtop and a couple also-rans nobody has ever heard of. For printing and other USB support, I haven't seen anything on Android in a remote desktop package.
Average broadband speed in the US last I checked was 6.7 Mbps. Couple that with pings of 20 to 30 ms to Dell's servers and vnc would work quite well for anything short of video and gaming. I use vnc all the time on a similar connection and after fiddling with the encoding/compression/quality knobs, latency is practically non-discernible. I'm very sensitive to that kind of thing too which is why I eschew Splashtop as while it slings video great, there's just enough inherent latency to make me not use it. The typical consumer would probably not even notice it. For reference, I vnc into a Comcast business connection with 21/5 Mbps from a home with 5/.5 Mbps with avg ping of about 20 ms and it works fantastically. When I use nx on my laptop from here to there, latency is undetectable. As in I get a desired response faster than I can lift my finger off the key I just pressed. And that's me just throwing some stuff together and getting lucky. Surely Dell can do better.
I'm a fan of Splashtop myself. That and Chrome Remote Desktop are the only consumer accessible client/server combinations I've seen that can truly deliver when it comes to video and gaming over the network. I assume it's the video style encoding server side and subsequent decoding on the client versus older stuff like rdp and vnc. That said, one thing I'm not crazy about is no matter how close you get, there's always that seemingly inherent half tick of latency that bugs me. With vnc, nx, or rdp, this isn't an issue as long as the network itself is up to the task. That would be why I'm using vnc from my Galaxy Nexus to my desktop to post this rather than the Splashtop client I could be using.
Word up, knee-grow!
Worried you wouldn't be taken seriously so you figured dropping the old stereotypic racist comment at the end might bolster your credibility some? Did it work? Are you homophobic too? I'm sure a faggot joke would make a great encore you fucking worthless, mouth-breathing, shit-for-brains, jackass. Go ahead, douchebag. Let's see what you can dig out of the shit that's so old it wasn't even funny the first time Moses said it joke scroll. Of course, if you're feeling real froggy, you might surprise us all and point that collection of 200 odd neurons you try to pass off as a brain in the same direction for once and actually come up with something original. I know that's asking a lot so just baby step it and start by shitting out an insult that's honest to Goddamned funny!
Please do.
Or it someone philosophically opposed to the idea of closed source software running on an open source OS?
People with that view do exist, and dismissing their point of view as a troll is a nice easy way of ignoring it without taking the time to think about it.
But can't I do both? I've thought about the whole closed source binaries running on top of the open platform quite a bit since I've been using Linux on the desktop for a number of years now. My conclusion? Better an open OS with a few proprietary applications to fill the cracks than a closed OS and everything being the other way around. That's a personal choice though and I don't try to force it on anybody else. I may politely recite the as seen by me virtues if it comes up but that's about it. Besides, Linux had proprietary shops writing applications for it a looooong time ago so that ship has pretty much done sailed for anybody keeping score. Not only that but Valve produces a tiny fraction of the games on Steam so, whoever's offended, be sure to spread some of that ire around while you're huffing and puffing. And don't look now but the Android Market is full of closed source apps and sure as shit, Android is a Linux to the core. If you think Dalvik is reason enough to beg to differ then I'll direct your attention to the vast quantity of well known apps that are compiled from native code with the NDK making them Linux binaries.
To conclude my repost, some of the previous paragraph is predicated on a presumption made by you that isn't even true. Whether I agree with them or not, people that are sincere in their preference to resist the encroachment of proprietary software on the Linux landscape don't even remotely qualify as trolls. I used the "t word" for the simple fact that I believe the "donotwant" tag on this submission was put there by an actual troll, that is, someone with an axe to grind and not as a representation of a sincere belief. It's an opinion. Deal with it.
Yes, anyone that disagrees with you is clearly trolling.
While that may or may not be true it certainly isn't what I was saying. The guy I responded to asked a loaded question by presuming it was cynicism that led to the "donotwant" tag. My opinion is much of the anti-Steam/Valve/Gabe Newell is simple troll rabble-rousing. Note the fact that this is the comment section of a tech blog not a deposition. Opinions are welcome.
It's called trolling. Ask for it by name.
Sure you could but then you either need a prescription or a good street connection. Schedule 2 drugs aren't as easy as you might think to get a doctor to just glibly sign off on. If you go the street route, to get the same effect you get with a gram of meth from something like Adderal or Vivance will cost you several times the cash. Also, meth can be smoked, snorted, IV'd, shoved up your ass, or swallowed so it's a lot more flexible than the pharmaceuticals. It all adds up to meth if you're serious about amphetamine use.
Yeah, we're talking about meth, not alcohol.
You need to guess again. There's only one methamphetamine HCl molecule and it doesn't care whether it comes in a little baggy or over the counter at the drug store. If you want to say the street stuff is inferior because it's cut then do an acetone wash and problem solved.
Hmm, your argument is convincing however I think I'm going to stick to stockpiling the one resource that will stand the test of time: gold.
Humor aside, I have yet to see one legitimate breakdown of civilization in the modern world -even a short-lived one like during hurricane Katrina- where the ersatz cash wielding citizenry start going around trading gold dubloons. There is of course always some nuance to satisfy any objection but I find the "gold is the answer" trope dubious in the extreme.
Besides, is one party really any more cut off than the other? It's just two separate networks at that point. You can make arbitrary distinctions such as which network is bigger but it's really just two fragments of a former whole with neither side being a more valid network than the other
You really need to be more specific as any answer you get can be handwaved away by a simple moving of the goalpost. Is the country that cuts the internet off small? If so, it has already happened so just read the recent bitcoin history books. Is the country large? How large? Iran large? Japan large? USA large? China? Each one of those scenarios has the potential for a significantly different outcome. State your scenario in detail and you will probably get a better answer.
For a currency that is supposed to be immune to government intervention, it seems this is an area where it suffers significantly.
Don't look now but Bitcoins may be more useful than you realize in the face of government interference.
I think Amazon can pull it off on the strength of their own ecosystem. Very few players that are both in the phone/tablet business can boast such. As soon as the HTC's and the LG's of the world broke bad they and their customers would get cut out of Google Play pretty much dooming their devices to rot on store shelves. Of course you can keep going with it and consider the small players cutting content deals with Amazon or even Microsoft but it gets so speculative that it's completely outside of the context of this thread.
I wish that people knew where all of these fancy features are coming from, that way Opera would have more funding to innovate.
While the cynic may see it as chump change especially in multi-national mega-corp terms, in 2011, Opera Software's net income came in at a comfortable 24.6 million dollars on an operating income of 156.5 million, a substantial increase over the year before. Not quite as much as Mozilla who netted 43 million in 2009 but for a small company of 777 employees just doing their thing making their browser, it's not too bad. Bear in mind too that Mozilla resides in the US while Opera is in Norway so a direct 1:1 comparison of financials can be slightly misleading especially when you take into account social services especially health care the respective companys' employees have access to and the different tax structures they exist under. Financially, Opera Software looks healthy with very low debt, and I think 150 million in cash reserves which, again, for their size is not too shabby. Most of their revenue comes from two places, namely licensing and search deals with licensing bringing in a bit more. Search is huge for them accounting for about a third of their income so they're in pretty deep with Google and to a much lesser extent Yandex and Amazon. While being heavily dependent on one other company that barring contractual obligations could turn the money off at a whim isn't the greatest thing ever, it's obviously better to have it than not have it just bearing in mind that it might not always be there. The bright side is their licensing revenues are not only slightly larger than search but actually appear to be growing faster respectively as well. And since they do offer some unique technology enabling web browsing on very low-end feature phones that otherwise wouldn't have it at all (as far as I know), it's reasonable to think the licensing revenue is fairly stable. If you want the whole story, here's their (warning pdf)2011 annual report. Riveting.
Well, isn't it obvious? 'Cuz it's shiny, man! Just take a whiff of that new bit smell? Can't get enough? Me neither! Don't worry your pretty little head about that old and busted OS you were using before. It's gone, over, kaput. Capiche? Any time during the "adjustment" period wasted musing that what you had before worked perfectly well and what you have now is some franken-kludge mix of "oh shit, the iPad" and "the desktop? There's an app for that" will be summarily placed on a roll in the bathroom. Didn't you get the verbatim memo that's been plastered on every message board internet wide for the last two years admonishing you that if you don't like Windows $NEXT it's only because you fear change^H^H^H^H progress? Well, we'll be happy to send copies in triplicate to whatever rock you've been hiding under since there is no way our relationship management partners^H^H^H^H^H^H^H happy grassroots community of erstwhile enthusiasts could possibly have missed you anywhere in the civilized world. I mean, God forbid a good law abiding PC such as yourself suffer the indignity of not sending us as much of your money as you can hold in both hands and stuff in an envelope. DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVE.......
Sorry, one of those mornings.
Aren't those made by Samsung? Does google do the drivers and only leave Samsung the hardware?
Yes, Samsung makes the 10, however, AOSP hosts the factory images and drivers since it is a true Nexus device. The AOSP site is always my first stop when I'm planning a new Android purchase.