Until we tera-form Mars there will be no populating the solar system.
well, no. but moving on:
Think of it like living in Las Vegas: everything has to be trucked in or the whole thing dies.
That to me doesn't sound like populating the solar system as much as staking an extended out-post dependent on cheeseburgers trucked in from the home-world.
I like your metaphor for at least two reasons. Las Vegas is real; it can be done.
2d, you seem to be saying Mars would be colonized based on an an economy of gambling, prostitution, money laundering, and low regulation.
Zapp is a company that's long on hype, and this link is to vaporware of a future model, but they will sell you an electric bike for $350 or an electric vespa-type scooter for $3500 or, soonish, the zebra for $12K. It's an around-town car, not a highway car. Disclaimer: I no longer own zapp stock.
Makemake,[5] pronounced/maËkimaËki/,[6] formally designated 136472 Makemake, is a very large Kuiper belt object, and one of the two largest among the population in the classical KBO orbits. Initially known as (136472) 2005 FY9, it was discovered on March 31, 2005 by the team led by Michael Brown. Makemake is now officially classified as a dwarf planet and plutoid.[5][7][8]
Prior to making it public, the discovery team referred to it by the codename "Easterbunny". The name "Makemake" is taken from the creator god of the people of Easter Island.[5] For the purposes of proceeding through naming procedures, the IAU will treat it as a plutoid.
At a rest stop in ohio, I noticed a sign about the crash of the shenandoah, an earlier version of these. Still, high time they came back. Skyhook is a brilliant name for it. They should give Randall Munroe a free ride. http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10432
America had four zeppelins of its own in the 1920s and 1930s. One -- the Los Angeles -- was built by the Germans, flew successfully for a decade, and retired with dignity. The other three -- the Shenandoah, Akron, and Macon -- were built by Americans, and each crashed less than two years after its first flight.
The first, and the only one to crash on land (and thus be suitable as a tourist attraction) was the Shenandoah. In September 1925 it was ordered to conduct an ill-advised publicity tour of midwestern state fairs. Less than 24 hours into its flight "the strongest airship in the world" was caught in a thunderstorm, torn to pieces, and scattered across the rolling hills of Noble County in southeastern Ohio. Amazingly, 29 of its crew of 43 survived.
The article makes the basic mainstream journalism mistake that used to happen when some reporter would confuse AOL with the internet
No, it doesn't. It talks about censorship by Flickr, webhosting companies and ISPs. RTFA before you complain about it.
Not the example parent post was looking for, but, many slashdot users use firefox instead of explorer, in part because of concerns about microsoft business practices interfering with online freedoms
stuff So I claim it is a counterexample of what you are looking for.
I was under the impression that flickr had been bought by yahoo, and some additional censorship imposed, as a further example of the kind of thing i'm talking about. AOL was an analogy; you could say "internet 2.0" if you prefer; a few big sites instead of lots of little sites. I read the article a couple times last week when it was going around.
If they suck and censor stuff that doesn't make sense, they go out of business.
Citation needed.* When has that ever happened.** * http://xkcd.com/285/ ** oh, Mussolini.
They are renting you the photo hosting for the advertising traffic.
It's no different than leasing someone a car (to bring up the famous slashdot car analogy).
They have no right to tell you you can't listen to that "damn negro music" in that leased car, nor do they have a right to control the speed of the vehicle from the corporate office.
Actually they can, if it's what you've contracted for. Did you read page 4 subparagraph 16? They could give you a radio that only plays the Lawrence Whelk station, and cuts the ignition if you go over 100 mph. If the rental car radio didn't play that "damn negro music", I would consider that a feature, not a bug.
If they suck and censor stuff that doesn't make sense, they go out of business. Citation needed. When has that ever happened.
I was wondering how soon tfa would hit slashdot. On the internet, there is ease of exit. As a great man once said, the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
There's been a recurring pattern in the time I've been online. 1. Somebody sets up a site that enables free exchange of information. 2. Once they build it, people come. More people come, discussion flourishes. 3... Profit! , when site builder sells out to Yahoo for lots of money. 4. Yahoo, conscious of its image, decides to impose censorship. When egroups bought onelist (or the other way around?) and then yahoo bought it, yahoo dumbed it down. You could exchange files any more, then people couldn't see images unless they registered, then text was limited by sundry rules... So people left. I don't know anybody who uses yahoogroups anymore. Php forums (and blogs) seemed to be the next place to host free speech communities Since they are decentralized, yahoo can't just buy them up. The cycle repeats; a virtual space offers a good package of civil liberties, people "vote with their feet", then the big guys want to gobble it up, dumb it down, so people move on...
The article makes the basic mainstream journalism mistake that used to happen when some reporter would confuse AOL with the internet. It's easy for a big player to buy a popular site and gut the things that made it popular. It's hard for the big player to keep people from leaving for greener pastures. -- Not the example parent post was looking for, but, many slashdot users use firefox instead of explorer, in part because of concerns about microsoft business practices interfering with online freedoms.
The "free" digital TV box gimmick is not necessarily a scam.... A scam, on the other hand, requires deception to secure an unfair or unlawful gain. The deception is advertising as "free" something that costs money. If you have a coupon for a free cheeseburger, and they charged you $88, wouldn't you be displeased? Stewart's law: it always costs more to get something "free" than to just buy it. Hint: if they want you to pay for it, it isn't free. If the widget with the 5 year warranty is $88, and you can't get the one without the other, no part of it is free; there's an $88 minimum per transaction.
This is a very common kind of scam, even used by come companies that are otherwise considered reputable, but it's always a scam.
Maybe you're not familar with the Institute for Justice, the group bringing the lawsuit. ww.ij.org Their long-term goal is to overturn the slaughterhouse cases, and find that the privileges and immunities clause of the 14th Amendment protects economic liberties. Along the way, they have won cases for a shoe-shine guy, a hair braider, taxi drivers, a casket company, and so forth. They don't always win - their most important failure was Kelo, the Supreme Court case about eminent domain that has gotten 40 states to change their laws. But they have a very strong track record. A number of states do protect economic liberties under their state constitutions. I'm not up on Texas case law on this topic. Recently IJ has been setting up state chapters and learning about the rights people have under their state constitutions. You should go read your state's bill of rights - you might be surprised to learn what's in there.
Yet a previous attempt blew up. You use this phrase Its the first of its kind. I do not think you know what it means. And yes.. welcome to/. etc etc
When writing a slashdot post, I try to be succinct. I figure those (few) who rtfas will sort it out. It would be the first solar sail successfully deployed. The planetary society one did not blow up; the rocket that would have deployed it blew up, so it never launched. I'm using these terms somewhat arbitrarily, what would expect from an aardvark? I'm new here: arbitraryaardvark (845916) high number.
Hollywood is like a marketing department at an engineering firm. A unicorn is what's left of the engineer's rhinoceros after marketing gets done with it.
First time I've had mod points and a story accepted at the same time. But I might want to comment, so I'll just say mod parent up.
What other type of vehicle could a solar sail and Ion thruster be used for?
Robot ninja asteroid pirates? The 2024 Honda hybrid? Adding an ion thruster adds some weight, and solar sails tend to work better with low payload vehicles, but yeah, that seems to work. Maybe the ion drive could be jettisoned once it runs out of fuel, if it's still close enough to the sun/a star that the sails are effective.
A better known example of what can happen when you build an economy on one cloned plant, is the Irish potato famine.
One result was massive immigration to the US, permanently changing US demographics, giving us, among others, Ted Kennedy. The less biodiversity in a system, the less resistant it is to catastrophic failure. That's one reason market economies do better than centrally planned economies.
Oh and of course have the kid read "little brother"by doctorow. Maybe by telling her she can't. www.craphound.com/ something. In my generation it was a copy of "ecotage". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotage!
get on the mailing list for http://www.sciplus.com/ It's a science surplus store, lotsa fun stuff for kids and big kids. I found it while riding a bike in Milwaukee when I was bored because my boyfriend wouldn't stop playing World of Elfquest or whatever it was. Decent anime shop next door.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater or see my earlier discussion re fire. You are right about the state action aspect, and you provided a useful link, so I'm just picking nits, but it's a pet peeve. One of these days I'm going to write a play called "Fire!"
TFA that was omitted had a link to the court's order. Reading the court's order, it turns out that they aren't yet at the stage of giving him a new hearing - they are having a legal argument about whether or not he gets to have a new hearing. Standing briefs tend to be a bit dry for non-lawyers. If he wins this round, he can go on to try to win the next round, that the statute is unconstitutional and can't be applied to anyone, even him.
Jeremy Jaynes, Appellant, against Record No. 062388 Court of Appeals No. 1054-05-4 Commonwealth of Virginia, Appellee. Upon A Petition For Rehearing The Court grants the Petition for Rehearing filed by the Appellant limited, however, to the following issues: 1. In the context of a claim brought in a state court challenging a state statute under the First Amendment overbreadth doctrine, are state courts required to apply the same standing requirements as to that claimant that the claimant would be accorded in a federal court considering a similar First Amendment overbreadth claim? 2. Assuming, arguendo, that the first question is answered in the affirmative, has the Appellant (a) waived the argument presented in the Petition for Rehearing at pages 1 through 5 as not made in Appellantâ(TM)s briefs or on oral argument; and (b) is appellate consideration of the issue barred because Appellant approbated and reprobated (e.g., did Appellant agree in prior proceedings in this case that a state court may establish its own standing requirements but in its petition for rehearing contend that a state court must, at a minimum, apply federal standing requirements)? 3. Assuming, arguendo, that the first question is answered in the negative and a state court is not required to accord equivalent standing, as in a federal court, in a First Amendment overbreadth challenge to a Virginia statute involving commercial speech, what is the precedential effect of Wayside Restaurant, Inc. v. City of Virginia Beach, 215 Va. 231, 208 S.E.2d 51 (1974)?
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Until we tera-form Mars there will be no populating the solar system.
well, no. but moving on:
Think of it like living in Las Vegas: everything has to be trucked in or the whole thing dies.
That to me doesn't sound like populating the solar system as much as staking an extended out-post dependent on cheeseburgers trucked in from the home-world.
I like your metaphor for at least two reasons.
Las Vegas is real; it can be done.
2d, you seem to be saying Mars would be colonized based on an an economy of gambling, prostitution, money laundering, and low regulation.
Heck, it worked for the internet.
and by thermal generator i mean espresso maker.
Make a sign that says "caution: do not stand in beam of solar death ray."
http://www.zapworld.com/electric-vehicles/electric-cars/xebra-sedan
Zapp is a company that's long on hype, and this link is to vaporware of a future model, but they will sell you an electric bike for $350 or an electric vespa-type scooter for $3500 or, soonish, the zebra for $12K. It's an around-town car, not a highway car.
Disclaimer: I no longer own zapp stock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_(dwarf_planet)
Makemake,[5] pronounced /maËkimaËki/,[6] formally designated 136472 Makemake, is a very large Kuiper belt object, and one of the two largest among the population in the classical KBO orbits. Initially known as (136472) 2005 FY9, it was discovered on March 31, 2005 by the team led by Michael Brown. Makemake is now officially classified as a dwarf planet and plutoid.[5][7][8]
Prior to making it public, the discovery team referred to it by the codename "Easterbunny". The name "Makemake" is taken from the creator god of the people of Easter Island.[5] For the purposes of proceeding through naming procedures, the IAU will treat it as a plutoid.
obligatory:
That's no moon...
Since the term is polynesian rather than anglo, I'm guessing it pronounced maki-maki instead of mayk-mayk. But I'm not sure.
Some slashdot readers may not know that the alt. hierarchy was created by John Gilmore.
Gilmore, or Cuomo. Hmm.
I guess I know how I'm betting.
At a rest stop in ohio, I noticed a sign about the crash of the shenandoah, an earlier version of these. Still, high time they came back. Skyhook is a brilliant name for it.
They should give Randall Munroe a free ride.
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/10432
America had four zeppelins of its own in the 1920s and 1930s. One -- the Los Angeles -- was built by the Germans, flew successfully for a decade, and retired with dignity. The other three -- the Shenandoah, Akron, and Macon -- were built by Americans, and each crashed less than two years after its first flight.
The first, and the only one to crash on land (and thus be suitable as a tourist attraction) was the Shenandoah. In September 1925 it was ordered to conduct an ill-advised publicity tour of midwestern state fairs. Less than 24 hours into its flight "the strongest airship in the world" was caught in a thunderstorm, torn to pieces, and scattered across the rolling hills of Noble County in southeastern Ohio. Amazingly, 29 of its crew of 43 survived.
No, it doesn't. It talks about censorship by Flickr, webhosting companies and ISPs. RTFA before you complain about it.
stuff So I claim it is a counterexample of what you are looking for.
I was under the impression that flickr had been bought by yahoo, and some additional censorship imposed, as a further example of the kind of thing i'm talking about. AOL was an analogy; you could say "internet 2.0" if you prefer; a few big sites instead of lots of little sites. I read the article a couple times last week when it was going around.
If they suck and censor stuff that doesn't make sense, they go out of business.
Citation needed.* When has that ever happened.**
* http://xkcd.com/285/
** oh, Mussolini.
They are renting you the photo hosting for the advertising traffic.
It's no different than leasing someone a car (to bring up the famous slashdot car analogy).
They have no right to tell you you can't listen to that "damn negro music" in that leased car, nor do they have a right to control the speed of the vehicle from the corporate office.
Actually they can, if it's what you've contracted for. Did you read page 4 subparagraph 16? They could give you a radio that only plays the Lawrence Whelk station, and cuts the ignition if you go over 100 mph. If the rental car radio didn't play that "damn negro music", I would consider that a feature, not a bug.
If they suck and censor stuff that doesn't make sense, they go out of business.
Citation needed. When has that ever happened.
I was wondering how soon tfa would hit slashdot.
On the internet, there is ease of exit. As a great man once said, the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
There's been a recurring pattern in the time I've been online.
1. Somebody sets up a site that enables free exchange of information. 2. Once they build it, people come. More people come, discussion flourishes.
3... Profit! , when site builder sells out to Yahoo for lots of money.
4. Yahoo, conscious of its image, decides to impose censorship. When egroups bought onelist (or the other way around?) and then yahoo bought it, yahoo dumbed it down. You could exchange files any more, then people couldn't see images unless they registered, then text was limited by sundry rules...
So people left. I don't know anybody who uses yahoogroups anymore.
Php forums (and blogs) seemed to be the next place to host free speech communities Since they are decentralized, yahoo can't just buy them up.
The cycle repeats; a virtual space offers a good package of civil liberties, people "vote with their feet", then the big guys want to gobble it up, dumb it down, so people move on...
The article makes the basic mainstream journalism mistake that used to happen when some reporter would confuse AOL with the internet. It's easy for a big player to buy a popular site and gut the things that made it popular. It's hard for the big player to keep people from leaving for greener pastures.
--
Not the example parent post was looking for, but, many slashdot users use firefox instead of explorer, in part because of concerns about microsoft business practices interfering with online freedoms.
Cobol.
http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/05/19/friday-night/
Parent post is +5, insightfully wrong.
The "free" digital TV box gimmick is not necessarily a scam. ... A scam, on the other hand, requires deception to secure an unfair or unlawful gain.
The deception is advertising as "free" something that costs money. If you have a coupon for a free cheeseburger, and they charged you $88, wouldn't you be displeased?
Stewart's law: it always costs more to get something "free" than to just buy it.
Hint: if they want you to pay for it, it isn't free.
If the widget with the 5 year warranty is $88, and you can't get the one without the other, no part of it is free; there's an $88 minimum per transaction.
This is a very common kind of scam, even used by come companies that are otherwise considered reputable, but it's always a scam.
Maybe you're not familar with the Institute for Justice, the group bringing the lawsuit. ww.ij.org
Their long-term goal is to overturn the slaughterhouse cases, and find that the privileges and immunities clause of the 14th Amendment protects economic liberties.
Along the way, they have won cases for a shoe-shine guy, a hair braider, taxi drivers, a casket company, and so forth.
They don't always win - their most important failure was Kelo, the Supreme Court case about eminent domain that has gotten 40 states to change their laws.
But they have a very strong track record.
A number of states do protect economic liberties under their state constitutions.
I'm not up on Texas case law on this topic.
Recently IJ has been setting up state chapters and learning about the rights people have under their state constitutions.
You should go read your state's bill of rights - you might be surprised to learn what's in there.
Yet a previous attempt blew up.
You use this phrase Its the first of its kind. I do not think you know what it means.
And yes
When writing a slashdot post, I try to be succinct.
I figure those (few) who rtfas will sort it out.
It would be the first solar sail successfully deployed. The planetary society one did not blow up; the rocket that would have deployed it blew up, so it never launched.
I'm using these terms somewhat arbitrarily, what would expect from an aardvark?
I'm new here: arbitraryaardvark (845916) high number.
Hollywood is like a marketing department at an engineering firm.
A unicorn is what's left of the engineer's rhinoceros after marketing gets done with it.
First time I've had mod points and a story accepted at the same time. But I might want to comment, so I'll just say mod parent up.
What other type of vehicle could a solar sail and Ion thruster be used for?
Robot ninja asteroid pirates?
The 2024 Honda hybrid?
Adding an ion thruster adds some weight, and solar sails tend to work better with low payload vehicles, but yeah, that seems to work.
Maybe the ion drive could be jettisoned once it runs out of fuel, if it's still close enough to the sun/a star that the sails are effective.
"Dodd, Feingold To Try and Filibuster Immunity Bill"
Shouldn't that be, Dodd Feingold to try to Filbuster Immunity Bill?
There is no try
What state is Delaware in? Isn't it just a county South of Philadelphia?
It's three counties. Two at high tide.
A better known example of what can happen when you build an economy on one cloned plant, is the Irish potato famine.
One result was massive immigration to the US, permanently changing US demographics, giving us, among others, Ted Kennedy.
The less biodiversity in a system, the less resistant it is to catastrophic failure. That's one reason market economies do better than centrally planned economies.
Oh and of course have the kid read "little brother"by doctorow.
Maybe by telling her she can't. www.craphound.com/ something.
In my generation it was a copy of "ecotage".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotage!
get on the mailing list for http://www.sciplus.com/
It's a science surplus store, lotsa fun stuff for kids and big kids. I found it while riding a bike in Milwaukee when I was bored because my boyfriend wouldn't stop playing World of Elfquest or whatever it was. Decent anime shop next door.
"Water is the most abundant solid material in space. " Hmm, solid water. If only we had some term to describe this stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater
or see my earlier discussion re fire.
You are right about the state action aspect, and you provided a useful link, so I'm just picking nits, but it's a pet peeve.
One of these days I'm going to write a play called "Fire!"
TFA that was omitted had a link to the court's order. Reading the court's order, it turns out that they aren't yet at the stage of giving him a new hearing - they are having a legal argument about whether or not he gets to have a new hearing.
Standing briefs tend to be a bit dry for non-lawyers.
If he wins this round, he can go on to try to win the next round, that the statute is unconstitutional and can't be applied to anyone, even him.
Jeremy Jaynes, Appellant,
against Record No. 062388
Court of Appeals No. 1054-05-4
Commonwealth of Virginia, Appellee.
Upon A Petition For Rehearing
The Court grants the Petition for Rehearing filed by the Appellant limited, however, to the following issues:
1. In the context of a claim brought in a state court challenging a state statute under the First Amendment overbreadth doctrine, are state courts required to apply the same standing requirements as to that claimant that the claimant would be accorded in a federal court considering a similar First Amendment overbreadth claim?
2. Assuming, arguendo, that the first question is answered in the affirmative, has the Appellant (a) waived the argument presented in the Petition for Rehearing at pages 1 through 5 as not made in Appellantâ(TM)s briefs or on oral argument; and (b) is appellate consideration of the issue barred because Appellant approbated and reprobated (e.g., did Appellant agree in prior proceedings in this case that a state court may establish its own standing requirements but in its petition for rehearing contend that a state court must, at a minimum, apply federal standing requirements)?
3. Assuming, arguendo, that the first question is answered in the negative and a state court is not required to accord equivalent standing, as in a federal court, in a First Amendment overbreadth challenge to a Virginia statute involving commercial speech, what is the precedential effect of Wayside Restaurant, Inc. v. City of Virginia Beach, 215 Va. 231, 208 S.E.2d 51 (1974)?