I agree that yellow for minimize doesn't make perfect sense, but I don't think it's too much to expect for people to exercise a little "lateral thinking," as another poster said, even subconsciously. Red and green are probably sufficient so that most people can "fill in the blank" for the widget between the two, especially with a "-" sign painted on it.
I don't understand why you think the X/-/+ don't help convey the purpose of these widgets. The colors are an added visual cue for the 95% of us who can distinguish red and green.
Doesn't the translucency serve to (subtly) indicate its transience, though? Of course, you don't want to make your menus too transparent, because then it'll get distracting.
True... but even System 6.0 was a paragon of usability compared to the state of Gnome and KDE today. Even the constant crashes gave you a dialog whose buttons were action verbs (not to mention a cute little bomb icon). Hard to hate something like that.
"Can you give me an example of something that is eye candy without serving as a visual cue?"
I can. You know all those Gnome and KDE themes that try (badly) to imitate Aqua? They copy the eye candy without understanding the reasoning behind it, or the value of visual cues. Too often, the result is badly misapplied pinstripes, distracting transparencies, and so on.
Oh man, are you serious? Come on. That's gonna be a pretty fruitless argument, unless you want to argue that false hypotheses, trial and error, etc. never contribute to scientific progress.
Besides, this isn't evidence of sloppiness. It's actually evidence that we need more research:
The cells' contamination has been caused by how scientists grow them in the lab.
The cells cannot multiply by themselves in a petri dish, so researchers typically grow them on top of a "feeder" layer of embryonic cells taken from mice. The human cell cultures also are bathed in a serum derived from fetal calf tissue. The human cells absorb nutrients from the mice and calf cells....
Scientists are trying to develop ways to grow stem cells in the lab without relying on animal feeder cells or serum that contains animal products. The job is a challenging one because scientists do not know exactly what chemicals are vital to human stem cells as they grow, Varki said.
Two minutes with Google could have set you straight.
Not only are existing lines contaminated, but there just plain aren't enough of them to keep research progressing smoothly. Also, it's not just "we won't pay you to do (thing)", it's "if you do (thing), we'll cut off your funding for all ongoing projects, whether they're related or not." For institutions like research universities and labs who derive significant funding from the federal government, this is tantamount to depriving them of oxygen. (It's the same tactic Congress used with transportation funding to get states to adopt a minimum drinking age of 21.)
If I'm wrong about any of the above, I'd appreciate corrections.
I forgot to mention that the last time this came up, a few people helpfully pointed out this UI feature actually appeared first in Mac IE 5.0. Point is that Firefox doesn't exactly have a track record of trailblazing innovation, either.
I don't know, man. If you could shield yourself from subpoenas just by keeping a shitty-ass blog that gets like one hit a month, that would be a pretty big loophole in the justice system. I have a hard time finding this appropriate.
Sorry for my ignorance, but has an American court actually decided that fair use rights extend to digital media? How about thwarting copy protection for purposes of fair use? Anyone?
I have a website. Am I a journalist? Suppose I mention on my blog that one of my buddies was the masked gunman who pulled off the big bank heist yesterday. When the police come knocking on my door for a name, should I expect all the protections the law affords journalists?
The difference between a journalist and any other citizen, I think, is that a journalist is assumed to have the power to keep (potentially) millions of people informed. This is deemed a worthier cause, and ultimately more helpful to justice, than taking all means necessary to pursue and prosecute criminals.
Not that I think this applies to Apple's lawsuit, by the way.
My cameraphone takes the grainiest, shittiest pictures you could imagine, but I'd be totally into taking snapshots and MMSing them around to all my friends like that annoying friend who used to forward you all those chain letters, if only sending MMSes didn't take about forty button clicks on my Sony Ericsson T610. So I think perverse UIs are at least partly to blame for MMS's lack of popularity. Is it any easier on your Treo?
Yeah, phone interfaces are pretty perverse. I find my phone (Sony Ericsson T610) mildly annoying at best, and apparently it's one of the better ones out there!
That's why I'm waiting for Apple to develop a cell phone. It'll be sleek, elegant, easy to use and cost only half my salary.:)
Generating energy by tidal friction slows the planet's rotation, which could eventually send the Earth hurtling out of the solar system. Burning coal you lung disease, and nuclear power gives you cancer. Natural gas smells funny. There's no free lunch.
Speaking for myself, a big factor in "quality" is form factor: being able to carry my things around, without the bulk causing my pants to slide down to my ankles.
So sure, I'll settle for a plastic lens, or the inability to play OGGs, especially since this way I'm always prepared for those unexpected Kodak moments. (And for when I know in advance I'm going to want to take a lot of photos, I have my standalone digital camera.)
Well, there's many kinds of freedom. You and I value freedom of speech as a fundamental human right, because that's how we've been raised. Not every culture values freedom of expression as an absolute good.
Citizens of Germany, for example, seem perfectly happy trading their freedom of speech in return for the freedom from having to see neo-Nazi propaganda in public. I personally wouldn't agree, but it's their choice.
Exactly... who are we to say our values--freedom of expression, questioning authority, democracy, capitalism--are inherently better than theirs? I know where I'd rather live, but that doesn't give me the right to preach to them about the way they live. (Excepting those who wish they lived in a more open society, of whom China has many, as we do here in the Western world.)
Of course, it's misguided to imagine that people starving in North Korea, say, or jailed for political dissidence in Zimbabwe, are doing so voluntarily, out of love of their governments.
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I find the Genie effect distractingly slow, so I just use the "Scale" effect instead. You still see where the window went, but it's like, zippy.
I agree that yellow for minimize doesn't make perfect sense, but I don't think it's too much to expect for people to exercise a little "lateral thinking," as another poster said, even subconsciously. Red and green are probably sufficient so that most people can "fill in the blank" for the widget between the two, especially with a "-" sign painted on it.
Huh? Would you prefer the gumdrops be plain gray?
I don't understand why you think the X/-/+ don't help convey the purpose of these widgets. The colors are an added visual cue for the 95% of us who can distinguish red and green.
Doesn't the translucency serve to (subtly) indicate its transience, though? Of course, you don't want to make your menus too transparent, because then it'll get distracting.
True... but even System 6.0 was a paragon of usability compared to the state of Gnome and KDE today. Even the constant crashes gave you a dialog whose buttons were action verbs (not to mention a cute little bomb icon). Hard to hate something like that.
"Can you give me an example of something that is eye candy without serving as a visual cue?"
I can. You know all those Gnome and KDE themes that try (badly) to imitate Aqua? They copy the eye candy without understanding the reasoning behind it, or the value of visual cues. Too often, the result is badly misapplied pinstripes, distracting transparencies, and so on.
Oh man, are you serious? Come on. That's gonna be a pretty fruitless argument, unless you want to argue that false hypotheses, trial and error, etc. never contribute to scientific progress.
Besides, this isn't evidence of sloppiness. It's actually evidence that we need more research:
Two minutes with Google could have set you straight.
Not only are existing lines contaminated, but there just plain aren't enough of them to keep research progressing smoothly. Also, it's not just "we won't pay you to do (thing)", it's "if you do (thing), we'll cut off your funding for all ongoing projects, whether they're related or not." For institutions like research universities and labs who derive significant funding from the federal government, this is tantamount to depriving them of oxygen. (It's the same tactic Congress used with transportation funding to get states to adopt a minimum drinking age of 21.)
If I'm wrong about any of the above, I'd appreciate corrections.
I forgot to mention that the last time this came up, a few people helpfully pointed out this UI feature actually appeared first in Mac IE 5.0. Point is that Firefox doesn't exactly have a track record of trailblazing innovation, either.
Not that there's anything wrong with stealing ideas, right?
I don't know, man. If you could shield yourself from subpoenas just by keeping a shitty-ass blog that gets like one hit a month, that would be a pretty big loophole in the justice system. I have a hard time finding this appropriate.
Can I just say that I love your trolly sig? I've lost count of how many times I've seen people bite. :)
Sorry for my ignorance, but has an American court actually decided that fair use rights extend to digital media? How about thwarting copy protection for purposes of fair use? Anyone?
Good call. Care must be taken not to confuse government with culture and society at large.
I have a website. Am I a journalist? Suppose I mention on my blog that one of my buddies was the masked gunman who pulled off the big bank heist yesterday. When the police come knocking on my door for a name, should I expect all the protections the law affords journalists?
The difference between a journalist and any other citizen, I think, is that a journalist is assumed to have the power to keep (potentially) millions of people informed. This is deemed a worthier cause, and ultimately more helpful to justice, than taking all means necessary to pursue and prosecute criminals.
Not that I think this applies to Apple's lawsuit, by the way.
My cameraphone takes the grainiest, shittiest pictures you could imagine, but I'd be totally into taking snapshots and MMSing them around to all my friends like that annoying friend who used to forward you all those chain letters, if only sending MMSes didn't take about forty button clicks on my Sony Ericsson T610. So I think perverse UIs are at least partly to blame for MMS's lack of popularity. Is it any easier on your Treo?
Yeah, phone interfaces are pretty perverse. I find my phone (Sony Ericsson T610) mildly annoying at best, and apparently it's one of the better ones out there!
:)
That's why I'm waiting for Apple to develop a cell phone. It'll be sleek, elegant, easy to use and cost only half my salary.
Tidal friction.
Generating energy by tidal friction slows the planet's rotation, which could eventually send the Earth hurtling out of the solar system. Burning coal you lung disease, and nuclear power gives you cancer. Natural gas smells funny. There's no free lunch.
Speaking for myself, a big factor in "quality" is form factor: being able to carry my things around, without the bulk causing my pants to slide down to my ankles.
So sure, I'll settle for a plastic lens, or the inability to play OGGs, especially since this way I'm always prepared for those unexpected Kodak moments. (And for when I know in advance I'm going to want to take a lot of photos, I have my standalone digital camera.)
Well, there's many kinds of freedom. You and I value freedom of speech as a fundamental human right, because that's how we've been raised. Not every culture values freedom of expression as an absolute good.
Citizens of Germany, for example, seem perfectly happy trading their freedom of speech in return for the freedom from having to see neo-Nazi propaganda in public. I personally wouldn't agree, but it's their choice.
You're attacking this guy for contributing his perspective to the discussion?
In case you're actually interested, as opposed to just trying to make a point, here's a CNN article about the fire.
Exactly... who are we to say our values--freedom of expression, questioning authority, democracy, capitalism--are inherently better than theirs? I know where I'd rather live, but that doesn't give me the right to preach to them about the way they live. (Excepting those who wish they lived in a more open society, of whom China has many, as we do here in the Western world.)
Of course, it's misguided to imagine that people starving in North Korea, say, or jailed for political dissidence in Zimbabwe, are doing so voluntarily, out of love of their governments.
Interesting topic.
Jesus Christ, that's ugly. What on Earth was Apple thinking? Or is Motorola out to screw them again?