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Nokia To Use Microsoft Digital Music Software
BCMM writes "From an article on Reuters: 'The world's largest mobile phone maker, Nokia, and software giant Microsoft struck a deal on Monday to make it easier for consumers to buy digital music on-line and play it back on their handsets ... Nokia agreed to put Microsoft's music player software into its handsets.'" (The BBC covers the deal as well.)
"The articles don't mention what sort of DRM or licensing will be involved." jfanning writes "Two new Series 60 phones were also announced that ship soon and support WMA, the 6680 and 6681. I haven't seen it mentioned clearly yet, but also the Media Transfer Protocol has been licenced, so that could mean the phone will show up as a media device in Windows Media 10." jfanning mentions also that Nokia has licensed the Microsoft Exchange Server ActiveSync protocol for business phones.
SonyEriccsson reported sales increases of its handsets rose
Now I can unwittingly download the latest spyware!
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And DRM still sucks.
Make it easier for consumers to buy digital music on-line and play it back on their handsets?
Somehow I doubt it will be easier than iTunes, and since Motorola allready teamed up with Apple's iTunes...
With MS security, that much time is saved till a crack turns up :->
Where's my free iPod!? Until then, I'll settle for a kiss...
I want my mobile to be able to stream music. And for that matter, I also want my car stereo to be able to receive streaming audio. Downloading is so yesterday, who wants to pay per song? As a Rhapsody subscriber, I'd love to access my playlists through my phone or my car - Get on it, guys!
Despite conventional wisdom, I've discovered you can blame a guy for trying. It's called "attempted murder".
It does make sense that the media companies (i.e. MS, Apple, Napster, etc.) are trying to lock up license agreements with cell phone makers but why wouldn't these companies go after the cell phone providers instead? I mean, if Apple came up with an agreement with Verizon to be their exclusive provider of music, wouldn't it force the cell phone makers to engineer apple's DRM and iTunes into their future phones? And put another way, if I were a cell phone carrier, wouldn't I want a piece of the action and the opportunity to control media standards?
Nokia is a type of PHONE
T-Mobile is a type of NETWORK
Sheessh - If you're gonna make up random things to get FP, at least make them vaugley techincally correct.
Anyway... As for Nokia - The rest of my devices running MS stuff crash - Why Oh Why would I want my phone to crash as well??? I can just see it now. "Hello Bob, I need you to look up error code 61023... Bob? Bob?... damn - my phone's rebooted."
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Motorola has announced that they have signed a deal with Microsoft to implement the stunningly successful Microsoft Bob into their new line of phones.
I'm a big tall mofo.
Turning phones into music rental devices seems to fall under the "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" category.
Even if you stuck a headphone jack into your phone to get around the shitty piezo speaker problem, consider that if you actually plan to use your phone for something (oh, I don't know, say, talking on it?), why would you want to wear down its battery by playing music on it?
Granted, the manufacturing processes have gotten better, or at least have been outsourced to other countries, but we desparately need to find a way to extend the life of old electronics and recycling components in order to develop a environmentally-safe and sustainable electronic culture.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
-- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.
Just wait till Microsoft trademarks a ringtone that you can't change. Or maybe it will just be Bill Gates cackling like a maniac.
I am talking about consolidation here. You consolidate your PDA with your phone. Fine. It was a wise move not to carry two separate address/phone books. It was vital and trivial decision for the business minded. But Music on my phone at the same time in return for a M$ DRM installed on my phone ? I don't know how'bout you but I do not feel my contacts staying secure after some piece of micro$oft code placed in my phone.
Obviously this unti is going to be targetted at the college kids but, how many college kids have the money to throw away on DRM'ed song downloading anyway.
In my opinion, this is going to be another one of Nokia's flops.
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Clueless cellphone users will add to clueless computer users for us to deal with.
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Microsoft supporting open standards. (snort) Now, that's funny!
if I just keep the damn thing on vibrate all the time? I hate those )(@#&@!#@!#& ringtones.
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RTFJ.
Palm also licensed the MS ActiveSync (Outlook/Exchange protocol). Now Nokia. How does an open source project, like Open-Xchange, license a product like that? Beyond the legal issues of GPL on software that depends on a (very) proprietary license (which can be overcome by partitioning the licensed SW over IPC APIs), how does the project negotiate with MS, and be trusted to honor the agreement? How to pay? If this is all doable, what are we waiting for?
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Nokia = Cell Phone Manufacturer.
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i stopped using nokia a long time ago because of their craptastic phones. maybe that's why microsoft struck a deal with them, now when the software crashed they can just blame nokia.
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I'd rather have the audio from the Monkey Boy Dance playing when someone annoying calls me. "Give it up for me!"
Mercy was given to me by Christ...I must give the same to others.
... and why doesn't the story reflect that? Motorola reportedly showed off their new iTunes-compatible phone today, too!
The dirt on the Motorola E1060 - Engadget - www.engadget.com
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is if i could stream my Phone Music to my car stereo while it was on the car charger via radio waves.
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I mean, who else is aggressively trying to sell themselves in this area? Besides Microsoft there really aren't any alternatives. I mean, there's MPEG4, the MPEG4 vendors are still stuck back in the dark ages where consumer devices were built with the interests of consumers in mind, not the interests of large media companies, so no one's interested; and Microsoft's got a lot of cash from other areas to throw into beating MPEG4 in readiness to market, whereas MPEG4 companies have to survive off their own money, so they've been stuck at the speed of capitalism (slow).
Microsoft is going to continue to snap up every single contract in this area until there's nothing left to snap up because there's no one else to buy from.
I realize what Apple thinks they're doing in not trying to market Quicktime+Fairplay, but in reality all they're doing is allowing Microsoft to fence them in to an "iPods and nothing else" niche while soon, if you are anyone but Apple and you want to sell a device that works with audio or video, you will have to pay a tithing to Microsoft for their codecs.
a huge 80's style boom box/cell phone that the kids could carry on their shoulders and they could blast their newly purchased music or their phone call, so be thankful I only floated the first idea. :-P
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Beeep
*Press Two to sync device with server*
Meeep
*Look up to avoid crashing into large truck*
Yaaaaaaagggh!
*crunch*
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When I go to download there will be that screen asking me to click on "Yes" to install the application? Yeah, that application signed by Verisign :)
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The same goes for the Exchange-Nokia integration. My mail happens to be on Exchange (at home too, so flame me) and I should be able to access my calendar, address book and mail from the one mobile device that I have in my pocket. There is no way I would carry around another paperweight (Blackberry) for this, and anything that does not update appointments on the go is totally useless.
Yes, it is two evil corporations getting together but it is what I have prayed for.
Your car already has streaming audio. It's called radio!
Dr. Brodsky: Sin? What's all this about sin?
Alex: That! Using Ludwig van like that! He did no harm to anyone. Beethoven just wrote music!
And "La Cucaracha" in polyphonic clarity!
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Nokia recognized that phones are not exactly what you'd call "high-end audiophile" equipment. Further, there is a lot of downward price pressure on phone manufacturing costs (mostly from the service providers, whose heavy discounts on phone handsets are easily noticed on their books by Wall Street analysts). Hence, you're not likely to see quality audio coming out of a phone soon, since few organizations will be willing to pay the extra engineering and manufacturing costs to put that quality into the phone in the first place.
So, realizing this, Nokia understood that putting in support for AAC or MP3-Pro or Ogg Vorbis or any other high-quality audio standard was fairly pointless, since phones are physically incapable of reproducing their dynamic range. They wanted an audio format equal to the platform on which it would be running. Hence, Windows Media.
Everyone knows Windows Media looks and sounds very poor but, on a cheap phone with low-quality sound hardware, you'd never be able to tell. So Windows Media is the obvious choice for "toy" audio applications.
If you want quality audio, however, then you'll have to get a decent piece of audio hardware that supports quality codecs.
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Nokia created Symbian to prevent Microsoft putting the windows tax on mobiles, so I can imagine that the licence must have been pretty cheap. Most people don't use MP3s anyways, so it's not exactly a killer feature.
I will definately not purchase.
You're missing something: they're using Microsoft's definition of "open". It's much like how Microsoft's definition of "innovate" really means "copy someone else's idea and add some proprietary crap to it, then claim it was our idea all along"; the MS definition of "open" means "open APIs to our closed and proprietary libraries and programming interfaces, so that you can be locked into our platform."
The Portable DJ mod is going to be killer!
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My daughters and I have iPods, we connect them to our car stereos, the home stereo, manage it with our computer and I even use it to play music in between sets in my band. What advantage would there be having a cellphone play music? What happens if a call comes in while attached to my PA system? I'm sorry but I want device that does it's main function really well, not a bunch of mediocre features slapped together in a phone.
... buy a Archos Gmini XS-200 instead. It has 20GB HD, fits in your palm, has no DRM and sells for around $200. Great sound too.
By buying products with DRM you are actually paying fees to MS thus helping MS to spread DRM. Instead, invest the money into a bigger HD, I'd suggest.
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crashy computing
the revolution is here. as soon as it's done rebooting.
what about synce?
Did Nokia just get ripped off?
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Now I know which mobile phone NOT to buy when I ever do switch service.
I wish someone would publish a list of the popular carriers, the models they sell and the OS the different models use.
The computer, the car, the house, and now the phone-I wonder when the total reboot-software will be available? Then I'll be able to reboot all of the crappy systems at once. Sure you can trust the government, just ask the Indians
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Eric_Cartman_South_P continues to not buy Nokia phones.
Now I can get acoustic neuroma run up my cell phone minutes, make Mr Gates even richer yet and hear my favorite songs reproduced with truely hideous sound quality while my hand and neck cramp up as I strain to use a device with the ergonomics of a brick. Whoopee for Billy ... won't make a nickle off of me. and my
damn NOK is still 30% underwater.
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Say what you want, but seriously, nothing beats WMA on quality for really tiny files. Which is what I imagine you tend to put on these phones, given how little storage they have. Seriously, try getting a 3-minute song down to 1mb with any other codec and see if it's still listenable. Because with wma it is - just, but it is.
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Right here. Works nicely on the SX1 stereo headset.
It does not say that Nokia is licensing Windows Media Player for phones, rather the technologies underneath, such as WMA, for achieving better interoperability with the PC. WMP10 is used as the PC frontend for the music solution they just launched.
There's going to be "support for Open Mobile Alliance (OMA) digital rights management and the MPEG Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) family of codecs in Windows Media Player via a plug-in" too to support the service.
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Does it play files made with pirated Soundforge?
In other news (Score:2, Funny) SonyEriccsson reported sales increases of its handsets rose
That got modded "funny" but I'm dead serious.
I've been thinking about switching to a non-Nokia phone for my next cellphone upgrade. This clinches it.
It's bad enough that some of the existing phones are subject to attack over bluetooth. Can you imagine them with Microsoft code inside?
Maybe Microsoft WILL clean up their act here. But even if they do, given their track record I won't be able to trust them.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Finally Activesync for nokia! Because with the nokia suite they have now, you can sync with outlook, outlook express, lotus notes, even stuff like defunct netscape calendar, or CSV files. But with activesync, it's outlook-only all the way baby! Way to go!
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That's right, so steer clear of corporate-owned music if you want to use your stuff wherever you want.
CTVNewsNet, that is pretty much a puppet as it is owned by Bell GlobalMedia, is really playing up the "Apple faces competition from Microsoft and Nokia" angle of this news bite. Not surprising as Bell pushes Nokia. And not atypical of Microsoft FUD to announce vapor hardware/software so the minions can go bashing.
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Well, actually, this deal will be the final hit for nokia, because nokia doesn't have a world dominance anymore, it's samsung who has all the nice and shiny features nowadays, and samsungs don't break up when you by mistake throw your phone out of the window from the third floor in a house (Tested), and it's samsung that doesn't break up when you throw it into a wall by mistake (tested). Nokia already has crappy hardware, so why not make it have crappy software too.
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Why is Nokia supporting a closed proprietary anti-standard like WMA ?
I thought Nokia were cleverer than that but obviously not.
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WMA is clearly superior for classical and Jazz recordings at low and high bitrates. I also like the choice I get with on-line music providers, and the fact that there are at least 40 commercial WMA players on the market, not to mention about 50% of the newest DVD players on the market play WMA audio files.
I applaud Nokia for making such a sound choice.
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Nokia will kick Apple out of the music business. There are lots of Nokia phones out there, more tham macs and ipods together.
Wow, soon millions of people around the globe can admire the BSOD on their mobile phones!
...Okay I am being serious here- not trying to flame, or troll. ... I just am questioning their relevancy and looking for others point of view.
But why do people need cell phones? Admittedly I have owned a couple in my day, and worked for a major cellphone network-- but I still fail to see the real purpose of them.
Typically I make plans, people call me- leave a message on my answering machine and we do something-- do you really need to be on call for 24 hours a day?
I understand business using them, I understand using them for fear of something happening while driving. But they are so unnecessary for most people. Seeing people shopping with them- having their lazy ass spouse on the other end - whether it's a video-store, or grocery store it is almost disturbing.
It seems cell phones don't even know where they belong, you have cell phones with PDA features, the Ngage, photo-cameras, and now mp3-store phones. There seems to be something amiss.
Cell Phones are the ultimate scam- akin to selling air. I would say I am indifferent to cell phone users
... Soon all Nokia phones will be infested with spyware, adware, trojans, virii and all the other Windows bestiary. Some learn the hard way. Some never learn (throws hands in air).
One friend has a Dell PDA, and the darn thing uses Windows CE. Anyway, it just gets stuck and needs rebooting all the time! I've never seen such an annoying device.
Anyway, to the point: it's very obvious that this kind of "deal" is always made between non-technical people. Always like that. A non-tech from MS convinced a non-tech from Nokia. Then engineers have to do with it. There also might be some hidden cash in between, but shoosh. What do we know...
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How are they going to make such a sweaty phone?
It's just all gone wrong. It should have been Apple + Nokia and Microsoft + Motorola.
Think about it. Nokia is known for their UI where every detail is thoroughly researched for userfriendliness and simplicity. So is Apple.
The last Motorola phone I owned had a UI that was worthless. So I think the Motorola phones designers don't deserve any better than Microsoft.
No thanks. I'm not going to be participating in the encumbered DRM music thing... If this doesn't flop, I guess that means I'll be relegated to the dinosaurs. But then again, with our economy, how much music will I actually be able to buy working at McDonalds or Walmart after all other job opportunities expire and I become desperate?
Wow... just ... wow
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if I just keep the damn thing on vibrate all the time? I hate those )(@#&@!#@!#& ringtones
Walk next to the phone, start singing/whistling along with the ringtone, and keep it going until they hang up the phone. Remember to praise the ringtone. If you can't sing, you can get excellent results.
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If ever there was a time to use Ogg Vorbis, this would be it. Ericsson handsets have more or less caught up with Nokia's especially after the stumble Nokia made with the latest models. Beating Nokia to Ogg could push them into the lead.
As part of the companies' joint announcement today, Nokia and Real officially communicated that Nokia has both licensed the latest Helix DNA Client code base and has officially joined the Helix Community.
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Let me add one thing myself. Realplayer actually works in my 2mb ram Nokia 7650.