I wish I could say you were wrong but I can't. Outside of the cross platform compadability issues with DX, it also has a lot more overhead than OpenGL, so DX games just run slower than their OpenGL counterparts. I'm glad DX is as good as it is, and then again I'm not, it genuinly make developers lives easier, yet it kills engine cross platforming.
"20 megs of ram to run in the background, if you want to "autoupdate". While 20 megs isnt a ton for someone with 1 gig of RAM I dont want to see a day where Epic wants 20 megs, EA wants 20 megs, Blizzard.............. I wont have any memory left to USE my computer by the time all the companies are done."
Yeah if you're auto updating 5 different games at once, sure that's going to take up system resources. But what about going to download a patch. Hunting down the file, then creating a dummy account just so you can get it off fileplanet.com. The waste of my time resource is way more important to me than 20MB on my sytem with enough ram (256 minimum) to run Half-Life 2 in the first place. so I only get 236 MB to play with the horror!
And again what Gabe was looking for was MS or Sony to realease a Steam like platform so all developers could use it, not for all developers to make their own version of Steam. That resolves the:
"Epic wants 20 megs, EA wants 20 megs, Blizzard.............." you mentioned.
The reason it's helpfull to developers is because it allows them to do more. I feel your frustration with reguads to PC patches, but MS/Sony/Nintendo isn't going to let a buggy game get released because they now have a Steam type system. The big 3 all have rigorus in house testing mechanisms that they use on games before they go gold. MS/Nintendo/Sony sit between the publisher, and consumer in the path of
The publisher generaly wants a release ASAP so they can make a quick buck off of the game they have been sinking money into for the last 18+ months. So games on the PC get released prematurely. Because of lack of platform QC. Somthing that will not happen just because there is a Steam type option for developers to publish through.
The thing Valve is looking to do is to facilitate the ease with which smaller/independant developers can get their games to consumers by making it cheaper to do so. Steam also allows larger, and more established developers to release extra content, and get feedback on content useage. Somthing a "static disk" release doesn't offer.
I understand and agree that Steam has had it's troubles, buy it's a very good idea, and it's coming along quite well. Everyone fears change. And Valve took a huge risk attempting to do what it has done with Steam, but it was an attempt to solve a big problem for developers, publishing software, and software feedback. No one else was adressing these problems and Valve took it uppon itself to tackle them. It isn't an easy ride, but I'm glad they're taking the risk.
Gabe originaly worked for Microsoft, so I doubt it very much. It's not that he's in cohoots with MS though, it's probably that he still knows a lot of guys that work over there, and he can probably get a lot of help with development if he develops for MS(Direct X), as opposed for a more open platform. It all comes down to dollars and sense.
I'm fairly sure that the reason the original Half-Life even had OpenGL render path was becase it was originaly in the Quake 2 engine it was based off of, and required little to no extra work to get it up and running. However once they sarted to add pixle shaders it was just easier to run straight through with DX only.
That's not to say that I think they decided to ax Star Office Willie nilly, I'm just saying I've been very pleased with OO.o 2.
I honestly believe that the key to MS's success is software pirates. Not that that this idea is new, but think of how many fewer people would buy Star Office, or download OO.o if they didn't have the option of obtaining MS Office for free? If their only option to get MS office was to spend the $150 for the lite version, or the $400 for the full. It always gets me upset when people have me set up their PC and ask me "Where's Office?" the idea being that MS Office just comes free with every computer. What's even more upsetting is when I explain to them that it's an extra $150 for MS or OO.o for free. I usualy get the:
Well Tom, Dick, or Hary has a CD I'll just get it form them. OO.o isn't even an option, they would rather have nothing than try something new. I can understand the fear of change I suppose, but the illegal part bugs me.
Office productivity software isn't like the OS you can switch the 2 apps for ~ 80% of the users, and they wouldn't notice a thing. We can only hope that in addition to making it illegal to play DVD's that you purchased legaly on your Linux PC, that MS, and Intel's DRM plans end software piracy. Then finaly the cost advantage in the SOHO market will tilt towards Open source, and truely free beer alternatives.
I've actualy found that OO.o 2.0 doeas a great job of staying compatible. With MS Office, and other old formats like Lotus for instance. I'm very happy with OO.o.
not to make this a circle of people with pointed hats talking about how great our pointed hats are... but I like the cat skinning analagy better.
It's just not a good article or in good editorial taste. I like/. I like the fact that blogs will end up here, AKABatman, or pointlesswasteoftime, for instance bucause honestly most of the stuff that makes it on here is good. I just wouldn't expect an article.
a) this worthless or b) a seemingly desperate plee for attention
to make it on here. It's probably just a fluke. And I'm still going to come on here and rant at my invisible "-1 flamebait".
In other gentoo easy install goodness. The gentoo based distro Vida Linux 1.2 was released just 9 days ago 8/01/05 check it out it's a really cool distro http://desktop.vidalinux.com/
Maybe it does have something to do with "american puritanism". I was raised Roman Catholic, so yeah I there was this taboo of bringing the subject up. I hate it when my mom finds out I've been "living" with a girl. It's just an uncomfortable subject in our family.
It's enirely possible that you're right. But I don't know, the way he wrote it up it seems so forced. Like he's trying to get a rise out of his audience. That or fluffing up his feathers in front of the guys. It comes accross like a kid trying to impress us rather than an honest assessment of the situation. To me it just seems lame.
*YOU SHOULD STOP READING HERE*
I can talk sex with the girls and the boys, without blushing. But if I open up the NY Times I don't want to see an article about how the housing market is like "an erect penis" or "swelling labia" gag me with a spoon. Almost the same thing applies to slashdot. I like the fact that/. is rough around its edges, but I'd buy a Penthouse Forum if I was looking for graphic content.
Did you honestly want to open up/. and have the top article be about how this guy got bloody knees while he was nose deep in his girls snatch? Well I didn't. If that means I'm "Offensed easily" or full of "american puritanism" than guilty as charged.
Tip for the author, if you want to spend less time on your knees take your time with your women tease them a little. By the time your knees hit the floor they shouldn't be more than a minute or two from finishing anyway. You kids today are all rush rush rush. Remember what SWAT says:
Linux is becoming more gamer friendly ha... haha.... hahahahahahahaahahah holy crap I needed that. Nothing like a bit of zealotry induced blindness to keep the spirits up.
Install Unreal Tournament on Linux, and then install it on Windows. Which one was more "friendly"?
Now go install "Battlefield 2" on Linux, and then on Windows.
Now go develop a game using the DirectX suite. Now go develop a game using Linux. Which platform is more "friendly" to develop on?
Quote: "If the rumors that it will have Linux installed out of the box or freely be able to run it are true, that means a PS3 could easily serve as a computer. It wouldn't be a great one, but if it could handle Word Processing, email, and simple things like that, why would anyone need to buy a new Windows PC?"
And this same exact idea couldn't apply to the original Xbox why?...
I own one console, a PS2, and I wish it was a Gamecube. GTA is a game that bores me, what can I say? If I'm going to spend my free time on a couch in front of a TV it's going to be with my friends, and we'll probably be playing "Smash Brothers". Hell we play "Testris Dr. Mario", and "Warios Woods" on the Super NES more than the PS2.
If your going to buy a piece of computing equipment to play games Console or otherwise get the one that lets you play the games you want to play. If Tux Racer floats your boat by all means just get Linux. If an endless stream of poorly crafted AI enemies are your cup of tea go play Doom 3 or GTA. If you like party games that are easy to pick up and fun to play I highly recommend Gamecube. If you like multiplayer FPS's get a Windows PC.
"Battlefield 2" awesome game by the way, first time in years I was looking forward to going home and playing a video game. It also runs on fairly modest hardware. I'm running it on a stock emachines m6805 Laptop, and an 2200 Athlon XP with a Radeon 9550 the crappy one with the 64bit bus. I know EA a a huge evil corp, but I'll be damned if they didn't grab a good developer and publish a great game here.../plug
All I can say is that I'm disgusted with the way the catholic right and the liberal left have muscled out The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We have drafted an open letter adressing our concerns to the "Kansas School Board"
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I wish I could say you were wrong but I can't. Outside of the cross platform compadability issues with DX, it also has a lot more overhead than OpenGL, so DX games just run slower than their OpenGL counterparts. I'm glad DX is as good as it is, and then again I'm not, it genuinly make developers lives easier, yet it kills engine cross platforming.
"20 megs of ram to run in the background, if you want to "autoupdate". While 20 megs isnt a ton for someone with 1 gig of RAM I dont want to see a day where Epic wants 20 megs, EA wants 20 megs, Blizzard.............. I wont have any memory left to USE my computer by the time all the companies are done." Yeah if you're auto updating 5 different games at once, sure that's going to take up system resources. But what about going to download a patch. Hunting down the file, then creating a dummy account just so you can get it off fileplanet.com. The waste of my time resource is way more important to me than 20MB on my sytem with enough ram (256 minimum) to run Half-Life 2 in the first place. so I only get 236 MB to play with the horror! And again what Gabe was looking for was MS or Sony to realease a Steam like platform so all developers could use it, not for all developers to make their own version of Steam. That resolves the: "Epic wants 20 megs, EA wants 20 megs, Blizzard.............." you mentioned.
"Still amazing that in 2005 nobody has figured out a way to make it simple to charge a penny on-line."
That's because they're worthless, it literally takes 100 of them to equal 1 dollar, 100. It takes
300 pennies just to buy a cup of coffee.
10,000 pennies for dinner and a movie (Miami)
50,000 pennies to buy a Mac Mini
1,200,000 pennies to buy a cheap car
3,100,000 pennies to go to a private college for a year (Miami)
25,000,000 million pennies to buy a house in a bad neighborhood (Miami)
Who want's to go through all the trouble and expense of collecting penny payments, just to split one cent with a stranger?
The reason it's helpfull to developers is because it allows them to do more. I feel your frustration with reguads to PC patches, but MS/Sony/Nintendo isn't going to let a buggy game get released because they now have a Steam type system. The big 3 all have rigorus in house testing mechanisms that they use on games before they go gold. MS/Nintendo/Sony sit between the publisher, and consumer in the path of
Developer-> Publisher-> MS/Nintendo/Sony Review->
Developer-> Publisher-> MS/Nintendo/Sony Review->
Release -> Consumer
on the PC side it looks like this
Developer -> Publisher -> Release -> Consumer
The publisher generaly wants a release ASAP so they can make a quick buck off of the game they have been sinking money into for the last 18+ months. So games on the PC get released prematurely. Because of lack of platform QC. Somthing that will not happen just because there is a Steam type option for developers to publish through.
The thing Valve is looking to do is to facilitate the ease with which smaller/independant developers can get their games to consumers by making it cheaper to do so. Steam also allows larger, and more established developers to release extra content, and get feedback on content useage. Somthing a "static disk" release doesn't offer.
I understand and agree that Steam has had it's troubles, buy it's a very good idea, and it's coming along quite well. Everyone fears change. And Valve took a huge risk attempting to do what it has done with Steam, but it was an attempt to solve a big problem for developers, publishing software, and software feedback. No one else was adressing these problems and Valve took it uppon itself to tackle them. It isn't an easy ride, but I'm glad they're taking the risk.
Gabe originaly worked for Microsoft, so I doubt it very much. It's not that he's in cohoots with MS though, it's probably that he still knows a lot of guys that work over there, and he can probably get a lot of help with development if he develops for MS(Direct X), as opposed for a more open platform. It all comes down to dollars and sense.
I'm fairly sure that the reason the original Half-Life even had OpenGL render path was becase it was originaly in the Quake 2 engine it was based off of, and required little to no extra work to get it up and running. However once they sarted to add pixle shaders it was just easier to run straight through with DX only.
This is uncontravertable proof that partents know how to parent than senetors.
This is just them building up publicity fo yohan that's it
That's not to say that I think they decided to ax Star Office Willie nilly, I'm just saying I've been very pleased with OO.o 2.
I honestly believe that the key to MS's success is software pirates. Not that that this idea is new, but think of how many fewer people would buy Star Office, or download OO.o if they didn't have the option of obtaining MS Office for free? If their only option to get MS office was to spend the $150 for the lite version, or the $400 for the full. It always gets me upset when people have me set up their PC and ask me "Where's Office?" the idea being that MS Office just comes free with every computer. What's even more upsetting is when I explain to them that it's an extra $150 for MS or OO.o for free. I usualy get the:
Well Tom, Dick, or Hary has a CD I'll just get it form them. OO.o isn't even an option, they would rather have nothing than try something new. I can understand the fear of change I suppose, but the illegal part bugs me.
Office productivity software isn't like the OS you can switch the 2 apps for ~ 80% of the users, and they wouldn't notice a thing. We can only hope that in addition to making it illegal to play DVD's that you purchased legaly on your Linux PC, that MS, and Intel's DRM plans end software piracy. Then finaly the cost advantage in the SOHO market will tilt towards Open source, and truely free beer alternatives.
I've actualy found that OO.o 2.0 doeas a great job of staying compatible. With MS Office, and other old formats like Lotus for instance. I'm very happy with OO.o.
I think you're right but that's not the point the whole package is pre compiled and fully opimised for you already. Wifi, graphics drivers everything.
not to make this a circle of people with pointed hats talking about how great our pointed hats are... but I like the cat skinning analagy better.
/. I like the fact that blogs will end up here, AKABatman, or pointlesswasteoftime, for instance bucause honestly most of the stuff that makes it on here is good. I just wouldn't expect an article.
It's just not a good article or in good editorial taste. I like
a) this worthless or
b) a seemingly desperate plee for attention
to make it on here. It's probably just a fluke. And I'm still going to come on here and rant at my invisible "-1 flamebait".
-later
In other gentoo easy install goodness. The gentoo based distro Vida Linux 1.2 was released just 9 days ago 8/01/05 check it out it's a really cool distro http://desktop.vidalinux.com/
that's got to be one of the best string of posts I have seen erver
I would buy like 20 textbooks and give out a christmas gifts to friends and family if they had the FSM in it
Come on mod this up this was funny as hell. You summed it up way better than I did.
Maybe it does have something to do with "american puritanism". I was raised Roman Catholic, so yeah I there was this taboo of bringing the subject up. I hate it when my mom finds out I've been "living" with a girl. It's just an uncomfortable subject in our family.
/. is rough around its edges, but I'd buy a Penthouse Forum if I was looking for graphic content.
/. and have the top article be about how this guy got bloody knees while he was nose deep in his girls snatch? Well I didn't. If that means I'm "Offensed easily" or full of "american puritanism" than guilty as charged.
It's enirely possible that you're right. But I don't know, the way he wrote it up it seems so forced. Like he's trying to get a rise out of his audience. That or fluffing up his feathers in front of the guys. It comes accross like a kid trying to impress us rather than an honest assessment of the situation. To me it just seems lame.
*YOU SHOULD STOP READING HERE*
I can talk sex with the girls and the boys, without blushing. But if I open up the NY Times I don't want to see an article about how the housing market is like "an erect penis" or "swelling labia" gag me with a spoon. Almost the same thing applies to slashdot. I like the fact that
Did you honestly want to open up
Tip for the author, if you want to spend less time on your knees take your time with your women tease them a little. By the time your knees hit the floor they shouldn't be more than a minute or two from finishing anyway. You kids today are all rush rush rush. Remember what SWAT says:
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
-later
So lame.
Linux is becoming more gamer friendly
/plug
ha... haha.... hahahahahahahaahahah holy crap I needed that. Nothing like a bit of zealotry induced blindness to keep the spirits up.
Install Unreal Tournament on Linux, and then install it on Windows. Which one was more "friendly"?
Now go install "Battlefield 2" on Linux, and then on Windows.
Now go develop a game using the DirectX suite. Now go develop a game using Linux. Which platform is more "friendly" to develop on?
Quote:
"If the rumors that it will have Linux installed out of the box or freely be able to run it are true, that means a PS3 could easily serve as a computer. It wouldn't be a great one, but if it could handle Word Processing, email, and simple things like that, why would anyone need to buy a new Windows PC?"
And this same exact idea couldn't apply to the original Xbox why?...
I own one console, a PS2, and I wish it was a Gamecube. GTA is a game that bores me, what can I say? If I'm going to spend my free time on a couch in front of a TV it's going to be with my friends, and we'll probably be playing "Smash Brothers". Hell we play "Testris Dr. Mario", and "Warios Woods" on the Super NES more than the PS2.
If your going to buy a piece of computing equipment to play games Console or otherwise get the one that lets you play the games you want to play. If Tux Racer floats your boat by all means just get Linux. If an endless stream of poorly crafted AI enemies are your cup of tea go play Doom 3 or GTA. If you like party games that are easy to pick up and fun to play I highly recommend Gamecube. If you like multiplayer FPS's get a Windows PC.
"Battlefield 2" awesome game by the way, first time in years I was looking forward to going home and playing a video game. It also runs on fairly modest hardware. I'm running it on a stock emachines m6805 Laptop, and an 2200 Athlon XP with a Radeon 9550 the crappy one with the 64bit bus. I know EA a a huge evil corp, but I'll be damned if they didn't grab a good developer and publish a great game here...
-manno
All I can say is that I'm disgusted with the way the catholic right and the liberal left have muscled out The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We have drafted an open letter adressing our concerns to the "Kansas School Board"
http://www.venganza.org/
http://www.venganza.org/
It's OK but no matter what they did they would be hard pressed to make it this bad:
http://www.msn.com/
HAHAHAHA... Ahhh man I needed that. That's the funniest post I've read yet.
I'd make sure to designate certain tables with time limits or as "No Internet."
I like that advice
Spaceball 1
no you are not and it's anoying as H-E-Doublle Hockey Sticks.
I'm assuming your talking about the hilighted path not showing up on the directions print out right?