I'm sorry, but your misunderstanding of COM and it's relationship of CORBA is wrong (but it's quite common among people around here).
COM has been around in one form or another since the 1990s, COM was designed as a binary standard for calling methods. It was an attempt to unify all the different method calling standards.
CORBA is generally an out of process technology. It was developed to allow objects to be called remotely, and sortta, transparently. DCOM which 'competes' (so to say) with CORBA came out about 6 years after the CORBA guys got together, but DCOM still doesn't really match CORBA, and I don't think Microsoft is interested in doing that either.
DCOM at the moment at least, is used primarily on Windows for small things such as Windows Management Instrumentation (for COM API exposing) in small areas, some business do use DCOM for distributed work, but I think Microsoft is spending much more time pushing SOAP as it is more appropriate for hteregenous enviroments - Microsoft is realising Windows won't dominiate everything.
Now, what COM is used for is a technology to expose APIs. Write a COM object that does something and instantly any language that works on Windows can access those APIs. No more worrying about importing C DLLs and converting between data types etc. COM also is the technology that allows embedding of visual objects (that's how many applications now use HTML thru Internet Explorer - ActiveX).
ANyway, COM and CORBA are very different....
CORBA may be used in OSS projects (such as Bonobo), byut a majority of the the ideas for embedding, object exposing, persistance, monikers etc are all based on COM. Essentially what they're doing is using CORBA as the bricks, and building a building out of it. The building just looks a lot like the building that Microsoft built using COM bricks...just not CORBA bricks.
BTW, I'm not sure how relevant your windows is younger than unix statement is, well obviously...VMS is older than Unix, and NT is based on VMS:P.
What I was trying to get thru, is that Microsoft should get a nod for COM since it's being copied left and right by the OSS community.
I thought it was pretty obvious when I said KDE, i mean KDE's object model and associated technologies (e.g KOM, DCOP).
I'll be sure to spell everything out to you next time...
Much of the work in KDE and Gnome is obviously influenced heavily by Microsoft developments, not just the GUI (embedding of controls etc) but the underlying technology (KOM/DCOP/Bonobo etc).
Do i diliberately start pro-microsoft threads? No. Do I go around bashing Linux for no reason? No.
I defend Microsoft where necessary, and I try to put things into perspective. I don't call that trolling.
And BTW, I hardly see how their now so quite CSS counts as trying to lock you into windows. Their CSS is better than Netscape's ever was. It'll get better over time, but at the moment, it is the best.
KDE came a while after COM. And it is no where near as good as OLE/ActiveX is. The support for cross thread marshling, the object embedding, graphical embedding etc is very immature compared to COM. There are so many good COM interfaces that KDE still has yet to touch.
Gee, you can embeed KWord documents inside Konquer. You could do that like 5 years ago in Windows.
Yes, but ofcourse everything that is being said about mozilla is exagerated.
It's faster then Netscape, but still a heck of a lot slower then IE5. Yes mozilla is compnentized now, but IE has been for over 4 years, and noone here noticed it...yeah yeah COM who the heck cares, i'm a linux haxor, i reinvent the wheel all the time, integration is bad..
Netscape suddently decide to clone COM and call it xpCOM and now we get preaches of how cool xpCOM is.
IE blandly acceptable? EXCUSE ME? How so? IE is superb, has superb standards support, is the fastest web browser out there, and is completely componentized.
You're so aboslutely deluded.
It's people like you who've never really had to do much advanced HTML or XML, and sit there and go, hey netscape can render <HTML></HTML> and so can IE...i'd rather use Netscape cause it's not microsoft.
geeeee...try something a bit more advanced there, like DHTML, XML, VML...
Or is this just another chance to bash microsoft/windows ce and say how cool palm is cause it has 2 bit color? (yes i know you can hack on grey scale, i own a palm myself).
I bet all these arguments against pocket pc will fall away when slashdot decides to do a story on the fat linux based PDA.
geee, a thousand dollar commitment to microsoft, you'd better go and tell those thousands of windows software companies they'll have to fork out a thousand dollars.
oooooh..
when are you idiots going to realise that TIME COSTS MONEY.
Um, slashdot is a pro linux site. OSX is covered cause even tho apple is a hugely proprietry company, everyone here loves microsoft competitors. BSD is covered just cause, and Win2K is only covered when FUD about Win2K is discovered, i mean, the launch of Win2K wasn't even covered, however on the same day we got a nice article about linux 2.3141529 being released.
Anyway, point was slashdot IS primarily a linux site.
Well duh there's not much they can do about that can they?
Word gives a warning when there's a macro, there won't be ANY difference whether they open up the document from outlook, or from explorer after they save it in outlook.
Lets bash microsoft no matter what they do. Slashdot is so full of lamers.
Um, bugs in the Linux kernel may sometimes get fixed in weeks. But bugs in other software aren't fixed that quickly. Hell some software (which is still in use) is totally ignored by the developers for like a year.
BTW, service packs aren't the only way to get fixes. Major problems are fixed with hotfixes from microsoft.
Anyway, the decision to use Linux over Windows because of a (fixed) bug in IE was funny. Considering the alternatives you'd have in Linux.
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Yes, lets break up Sun cause they want to bind everyone to Java. Lets break up coke cause they want to bind everyone to coke. Lets break up amerca cause they want to bind everyone to democracy.
None of us live in a sandbox, no matter how much you try to believe so.
I agree; the point I was trying to make was that everyone bashes microsoft for not innovating and making crappy products - however, when it comes to Liunx, the top projects are all emulating Microsoft.
I find the "we're trying to make it easy for windows users" argument unconvincing. The Linux community doesn't seem like the kind of community that would make everything crappy just to make it 'easier'. They want to be l33t right?
You don't need a windowing envorinment to use graphical applications - programs run from a CLI are perfectly capable of switching between text and graphics modes on their own. int 10h is your friend.
Yes but then why not have a windowing enviroment? If you don't you tend to fall into the "reinvent the wheel" scenario (which unix seems to do a lot even with X). Why not be consistant? You can have a GUI and switch to full text mode when you need to.
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I'm sorry, but your misunderstanding of COM and it's relationship of CORBA is wrong (but it's quite common among people around here).
:P.
COM has been around in one form or another since the 1990s, COM was designed as a binary standard for calling methods. It was an attempt to unify all the different method calling standards.
CORBA is generally an out of process technology. It was developed to allow objects to be called remotely, and sortta, transparently. DCOM which 'competes' (so to say) with CORBA came out about 6 years after the CORBA guys got together, but DCOM still doesn't really match CORBA, and I don't think Microsoft is interested in doing that either.
DCOM at the moment at least, is used primarily on Windows for small things such as Windows Management Instrumentation (for COM API exposing) in small areas, some business do use DCOM for distributed work, but I think Microsoft is spending much more time pushing SOAP as it is more appropriate for hteregenous enviroments - Microsoft is realising Windows won't dominiate everything.
Now, what COM is used for is a technology to expose APIs. Write a COM object that does something and instantly any language that works on Windows can access those APIs. No more worrying about importing C DLLs and converting between data types etc. COM also is the technology that allows embedding of visual objects (that's how many applications now use HTML thru Internet Explorer - ActiveX).
ANyway, COM and CORBA are very different....
CORBA may be used in OSS projects (such as Bonobo), byut a majority of the the ideas for embedding, object exposing, persistance, monikers etc are all based on COM. Essentially what they're doing is using CORBA as the bricks, and building a building out of it. The building just looks a lot like the building that Microsoft built using COM bricks...just not CORBA bricks.
BTW, I'm not sure how relevant your windows is younger than unix statement is, well obviously...VMS is older than Unix, and NT is based on VMS
What I was trying to get thru, is that Microsoft should get a nod for COM since it's being copied left and right by the OSS community.
Um, where did you hear Microsoft is dropping IE/Mac?
I guess the fact that Microsoft just demonstrated IE on OS X with Apple doesn't mean anything?
And you 'suspect' they're dropping the slolaris version too? I suppose you 'suspect' they're dropping the HP-UX version too?
take it easy on the coffee next time.
I thought it was pretty obvious when I said KDE, i mean KDE's object model and associated technologies (e.g KOM, DCOP).
I'll be sure to spell everything out to you next time...
Much of the work in KDE and Gnome is obviously influenced heavily by Microsoft developments, not just the GUI (embedding of controls etc) but the underlying technology (KOM/DCOP/Bonobo etc).
Admit it.
Ahh, so I'm an MS-Troll am I?
Do i diliberately start pro-microsoft threads? No.
Do I go around bashing Linux for no reason? No.
I defend Microsoft where necessary, and I try to put things into perspective. I don't call that trolling.
And BTW, I hardly see how their now so quite CSS counts as trying to lock you into windows. Their CSS is better than Netscape's ever was. It'll get better over time, but at the moment, it is the best.
KDE came a while after COM. And it is no where near as good as OLE/ActiveX is. The support for cross thread marshling, the object embedding, graphical embedding etc is very immature compared to COM. There are so many good COM interfaces that KDE still has yet to touch.
Gee, you can embeed KWord documents inside Konquer. You could do that like 5 years ago in Windows.
Yes, but ofcourse everything that is being said about mozilla is exagerated.
...yeah yeah COM who the heck cares, i'm a linux haxor, i reinvent the wheel all the time, integration is bad..
It's faster then Netscape, but still a heck of a lot slower then IE5. Yes mozilla is compnentized now, but IE has been for over 4 years, and noone here noticed it
Netscape suddently decide to clone COM and call it xpCOM and now we get preaches of how cool xpCOM is.
IE blandly acceptable? EXCUSE ME? How so? IE is superb, has superb standards support, is the fastest web browser out there, and is completely componentized.
You're so aboslutely deluded.
It's people like you who've never really had to do much advanced HTML or XML, and sit there and go, hey netscape can render <HTML></HTML> and so can IE...i'd rather use Netscape cause it's not microsoft.
geeeee...try something a bit more advanced there, like DHTML, XML, VML...
Come on, what the hell is going on with /. lately?
How did this qualify as a frontpage story?
Or is this just another chance to bash microsoft/windows ce and say how cool palm is cause it has 2 bit color? (yes i know you can hack on grey scale, i own a palm myself).
I bet all these arguments against pocket pc will fall away when slashdot decides to do a story on the fat linux based PDA.
and how is that relevant?
and what the fuck is astroturf supposed to mean here?
That should be Windows services for unix.
Um, Unix Services for Unix (SFU) supports NFS.
It's also a Microsoft product.
What the hell is your fascination with GPL?
why not make it totally free, or design a better license that doesn't do what RMS wants you to do.
Um, how exactly is a yet-to-be-released browser going to over take IE?
Have you even seen the stuff that's in IE? And by the time mozilla comes out there'll be more.
I've never managed to get mozilla working for longer than 20 minutes straight...including the NS6 preview.
Do you realise that Microsoft is doing most of the work on web based interfaces and distributed XML based transactions and communicaton (soap/biztalk)
not to mention they have a browser that works...
ROFLMAO
geee, a thousand dollar commitment to microsoft, you'd better go and tell those thousands of windows software companies they'll have to fork out a thousand dollars.
oooooh..
when are you idiots going to realise that TIME COSTS MONEY.
Um, slashdot is a pro linux site. OSX is covered cause even tho apple is a hugely proprietry company, everyone here loves microsoft competitors.
BSD is covered just cause, and Win2K is only covered when FUD about Win2K is discovered, i mean, the launch of Win2K wasn't even covered, however on the same day we got a nice article about linux 2.3141529 being released.
Anyway, point was slashdot IS primarily a linux site.
Well duh there's not much they can do about that can they?
Word gives a warning when there's a macro, there won't be ANY difference whether they open up the document from outlook, or from explorer after they save it in outlook.
Lets bash microsoft no matter what they do. Slashdot is so full of lamers.
How can you live in a country that has had such a horrific history?
Remember *the world is black and white*.
I rest my case.
What country do you live in?
Um, bugs in the Linux kernel may sometimes get fixed in weeks. But bugs in other software aren't fixed that quickly. Hell some software (which is still in use) is totally ignored by the developers for like a year.
BTW, service packs aren't the only way to get fixes. Major problems are fixed with hotfixes from microsoft.
Anyway, the decision to use Linux over Windows because of a (fixed) bug in IE was funny. Considering the alternatives you'd have in Linux.
Slashdot announces FBCN, the Freedom To Break Copyrights Network.
It is a network of people and rich open source companies who are going to fight all common sense and insist that law is not law if it applies to anything related to software. Members have been overheard saying "free speech" and "first post".
To quote from the FBCN website:
"The FBCN is a non-partisan, grassroots network of citizens and businesses who have a stake in the success of breaking copyrights and the true way. The FBCN will help you stay up to date on critical developments in RMS law. Sign up for a free (as in speech not beer) e-newsletter, tell us your thoughts, take action and stay informed. It's how you can make a difference! Fight the law!"
The FBCN can be found at www.slashdot.org/freedomtobreakcopyrights
The world is not black and white.
Yes, lets break up Sun cause they want to bind everyone to Java. Lets break up coke cause they want to bind everyone to coke. Lets break up amerca cause they want to bind everyone to democracy.
LOL yeah, ok, I'll see you back using windows in lets say, 3 days?
You're moving to Linux partly because of the IE cookies bug? Gee what browser are you going to use in Linux?
Yeah, go ahead and use Linux, I hear it has no bugs *giggle*
None of us live in a sandbox, no matter how much you try to believe so.
I agree; the point I was trying to make was that everyone bashes microsoft for not innovating and making crappy products - however, when it comes to Liunx, the top projects are all emulating Microsoft.
I find the "we're trying to make it easy for windows users" argument unconvincing. The Linux community doesn't seem like the kind of community that would make everything crappy just to make it 'easier'. They want to be l33t right?
You don't need a windowing envorinment to use graphical applications - programs run from a CLI are perfectly capable of switching between text and graphics modes on their own. int 10h is your friend.
Yes but then why not have a windowing enviroment? If you don't you tend to fall into the "reinvent the wheel" scenario (which unix seems to do a lot even with X). Why not be consistant? You can have a GUI and switch to full text mode when you need to.