"Most well known for being the responsible guy for one of the biggest hospital IT failures on the books"
Yea, and he was personally responciple for the outage, not.
"On that date, a researcher at the hospital who was sharing data with colleagues inadvertently flooded the network with large quantities of data, causing it to slow drastically"
"The problem had to do with a system called spanning tree protocol, which finds the most efficient way to move information through the network and blocks alternate routes to prevent data from getting stuck in a loop"
"I've been using the term "open source" since before the GPL or Linux existed, and I disagree with their definition. I release things under licenses that fail arbitrary clauses in their definition by being too liberal - I don't make several of the asinine restrictions their supposed "definition" requires me to make, such as the GPL source redistribution clause"
What licenses are more 'liberal' than the equivalent OSI license? Give specifics. By what logic is a coda that prevents the redistribution of code less restrictive that one that allows unfettered redistribution? Give examples of these other licenses with less 'restrictions'.
"This is the fundamental problem with GPL. None of this effort is useful... use the GPL if you want, but it causes enormous problems"
Could you give us some examples of these 'enormous problems'?
- quote -
Open source doesn't just mean access to the source code. The distribution terms of open-source software must comply with the following criteria:
"You're right. I mean, they have an advantage; they don't value human life. Makes it a lot easier for them then us; We should just give in and let them conquer the world, like the Quran tells them to"
There was *no* danger of terrorism attacks coming from Iraq as Saddam Hussein kept the Islamic fundamentalists firmly under his thumb. And back when he invaded Iran, he was still one of Americas favourite dictators in the middle east. It was only after he invaded Kuwait that he became Americas second biggest bogey man.
"They" value human life the same as the next man, but having grown up in a refugee camp being bombed from the air by helicopter gunship, they are likely to become a little desensitised. The scattered population of dispossessed Palestinians are going to be a threat long into the future.
It was the US administration that promoted Islamic fundamentalism while it was usefully in pushing the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. Bin Laden was specifically sent in to Afghanistan to organize the 'resistance'. Currently, Al Qaeda isn't so much an organization but an amalgam of remnants of these groups plus a distributed group of disaffected Muslims being fed poison by the religious leaders in so called religious schools (madras). This is the source of the current terrorist threat. As such blowing up some gook village in Iran is going to do squat to defeat terrorism.
How about not spending the money on figuring out ways to destroy some gook village and instead spend it on health care. Wait untill they turn this stuff on you.
"Just a thought; But what was the Operating System of Choice for those poor unfortunate Department of Homeland Security Victims?"
'The contract, awarded June 27, named Microsoft as the "primary technology provider" to the Department of Homeland Security, supplying desktop and server software critical for the agency'
"Microsoft Corp. has hired another Homeland Security Department official for its team "
RedHat is EAL4 certified on a particular hardware configuration, no one has physical access and you don't connect it to an insecure network like the Interent. I'm not sure how much use these certs are in the real world. But it does mean something to the PHBs. Now excuse me while my manager explains what ISO 9000 is, again..
"This sort of behaviour is precisely what the patent system is meant to stop; if what the small company is doing is innovative it give them a gov't monopoly for upto 20 years to get big enough to stop the big company from crushing it"
Patents are designed to deny smaller companies entry to the market. Else why would a whole industry grow up around submarine patents.
"But big companies have convinced the world that patents are evil"
What ever happened to competition in a free market place. You know, the place where us consumers are supposed to benefit from. Unlike those inefficent state run monopolies of yore. Oh wait, they didn't really mean it.
Right, a very stirring tale of one plucky self-employed consultant who personally appended the identity thief. But a very relevant question to ask here is, who made it so easy to get your identity stolen and what responsibility do they bare.
"has established information warfare units to develop viruses to attack enemy computer systems and networks"
Why don't they make a 'computer system' that don't get viruses. And anyone who uses a computer on a military network that is suseptable to 'viruses' needs their collective heads examined. Besides which the real US military network is isolated from the Internet. Besides which winSEC was diluted so that the security services could monitor the real enemy, their own people.
"It's no secret that part of Google's plan for world domination is to replace eBay, which involves selling products via Google Base and paying for them using Google Checkout. However, Google isn't yet powerful enough to launch the expected blitzkrieg, so the two companies maintain friendly relations under what's been compared to the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact signed by Von Ribbentrop for Germany and Stalin"
Who said that amateurism on the Internet was leading to the death of real journalisim..
Godwins Lawbr>
-- br>
"we both made shells for the Nazis, but mine worked, dammit!", C. Montgomery Burns
The International Space Station crew is doing some spring cleaning this week to get ready for an upcoming computer upgrade. Related and unrelated novelties include 10 times faster networking and a brand new window and camera combo which was installed last week..
"Seriously, as flawed as MS Office is, OpenOffice.org, in my not-so-humble opinion, is worse in many ways.. if you only edit 1-10 page documents, you might be able to get away with using OO.o, but if you're trying to write a book or a thesis using OO.o, the program quickly becomes excruciatingly slow and painful to deal with.. the monolithic nature of OO.o is disturbing.."
Windows running msOffice, OpenOffice
I fired up a ten page word doc in Word and OO, and..
a) resized to one hundred pages using copy and paste
b) selected print view scrolled through a few pages
c) saved, closed then re-opened
Results:
a) Couldn't see any big difference in response..
b) Couldn't see any big difference in response..
c) msWord appeared to open faster than OO..
But that was because the first page was displayed instantly while the rest of the document was loaded in the background. Eg. You couldn't go to the last page. OO waits until the whole document is loaded. Also OpenOffice opened from its native file format which is a zipped XML file. The sizes of the files different greatly, msWord = 606KB, OO = 15KB. A zipped version of msWord doc came in at 24KB. So presumably the difference in load speed was becasue of the uncompression.
1. Can I do it with Linux today (GPL2) and tomorrow (GPL3)?
"Yes."
From my understanding GPL3 is the same as GPL2 except for added provisions preventing the tivoization of the GPL. That is preventing vender imposing DRM type restrictions on what the end-user can do with his computer.
dynamic linking is too much to bear
What's too much to bear about dynamically linking ?
4. Could I be forced to publish this code by some 3-d party?
"The GPL attempts to be viral - that is, if you do something wrong like statically linking to a GPL library, it tries to force you to license your code under the GPL"
What's viral about the GPL is it says you are free to use the code without restriction with full access to the source code. The only provisor being that you must also pass on those FREEDOMS with your source code. Else dynamically link to the GPL, else use a different license, else use the BSD license.
"This has not been tested in court"
According to this gpl-violations.org prevailed in court against D-Link regarding them not publishing the full source, as per the license. It this doesn't satisify you, what criteria would satisfy you that the GPL was tested in court.
"What GPL vigilante efforts usually try to do as a first step is get infringers to clean up their code. So, do not willingly violate the GPL, and if you do get one such notice from the community, do stop everything and be sure you are clean and forthcoming about it"
'vigilante' ?. I assume you are refering to gpl-violations.org. What's right about a company getting benefit out of selling hardware incorporating GPL code and not complying with the license. Here BT is selling a Thomson router based on GPL code. Thomson failed to publish all the code and were called on it.
5. Am I correct that programming in and selling BSD-based boxes won't raise any of the above problems?
"No. It all depends on which libraries you use.."
I hadn't realized it was so complicated. I thought all you had to do was include the following 21 lines of text in your product to be covered and you don't have to include your source. Besides which if up to now the GPL was so problematical, then why is it that Tivo, Sony, Toshiba, NEC, Fujitsu, Hitachi and Mitsubishi are happy to sell product incorporating Linux.
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was Re:Answers
Comrade could you tell me about how the GPL prevents those capitalist looters from infringing on the GPL. Certainly Comrade, first of all our clever scientists have made it viral and we have set up a team of vigilantes to intimidate them..:)
"I mean, sure, you can have something like OpenBSD, but just how usable do you think such a system would be? Consider the kernel, the UI, the file system, assorted applications (browser, office applications) etc. and you'd begin to see how hard it becomes to keep the system locked tight with that level of complexity (not to mention scalability)"
It's called OS X based on BSD/Darwin/NEXTSTEP and released in 1999
"Granted google's search isn't isn't even as close to being as useless as real player was"
logical non-sequitur, trollie. The useless or lack thereof of Real Player bares no logical relation the the quality of Google Search. Else why did MS go to the trouble of leaning on OEMs to drop it, lean on AOL to block access to Real Player content and 'request' caps on non-MS format streams.
Slashdot Mirror
"Most well known for being the responsible guy for one of the biggest hospital IT failures on the books"
Yea, and he was personally responciple for the outage, not.
"On that date, a researcher at the hospital who was sharing data with colleagues inadvertently flooded the network with large quantities of data, causing it to slow drastically"
"The problem had to do with a system called spanning tree protocol, which finds the most efficient way to move information through the network and blocks alternate routes to prevent data from getting stuck in a loop"
was: Re:Why listen to this guy?
"Oh I see. It doesn't limit you, it prevents you from doing something", Braino420
"Something that prevents you from doing something is a limitation", Myopic
The law prevents me from entering your home and stealing your goods. In that respect it prevents me from limiting your freedom to not get robbed.
"Actually, the GPL does set some limitations, like what you are responsible to do if you redistribute"
Actually that isn't a limitation, it prevents you from imposing limitations on what downstream developers can do with the code.
Canadian Politicians get funds from RIAA
"I've been using the term "open source" since before the GPL or Linux existed, and I disagree with their definition. I release things under licenses that fail arbitrary clauses in their definition by being too liberal - I don't make several of the asinine restrictions their supposed "definition" requires me to make, such as the GPL source redistribution clause"
.. use the GPL if you want, but it causes enormous problems"
What licenses are more 'liberal' than the equivalent OSI license? Give specifics. By what logic is a coda that prevents the redistribution of code less restrictive that one that allows unfettered redistribution? Give examples of these other licenses with less 'restrictions'.
"This is the fundamental problem with GPL. None of this effort is useful.
Could you give us some examples of these 'enormous problems'?
- quote -
Open source doesn't just mean access to the source code. The distribution terms of open-source software must comply with the following criteria:
1. Free Redistribution
2. Source Code
3. Derived Works
4. Integrity of The Author's Source Code
5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups
6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor
7. Distribution of License
8. License Must Not Be Specific to a Product
9. License Must Not Restrict Other Software
*10. License Must Be Technology-Neutral
- unquote -
was: Re:Oh, honestly
"You're right. I mean, they have an advantage; they don't value human life. Makes it a lot easier for them then us; We should just give in and let them conquer the world, like the Quran tells them to"
There was *no* danger of terrorism attacks coming from Iraq as Saddam Hussein kept the Islamic fundamentalists firmly under his thumb. And back when he invaded Iran, he was still one of Americas favourite dictators in the middle east. It was only after he invaded Kuwait that he became Americas second biggest bogey man.
"They" value human life the same as the next man, but having grown up in a refugee camp being bombed from the air by helicopter gunship, they are likely to become a little desensitised. The scattered population of dispossessed Palestinians are going to be a threat long into the future.
It was the US administration that promoted Islamic fundamentalism while it was usefully in pushing the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. Bin Laden was specifically sent in to Afghanistan to organize the 'resistance'. Currently, Al Qaeda isn't so much an organization but an amalgam of remnants of these groups plus a distributed group of disaffected Muslims being fed poison by the religious leaders in so called religious schools (madras). This is the source of the current terrorist threat. As such blowing up some gook village in Iran is going to do squat to defeat terrorism.
"Demand for technologies .. has increased .. because many of the operations in Iraq take place in Baghdad and other Iraqi metropolitan settings"
How dare those Islamo-fascist-crypto-communists think they can run their own country and steal our oil.
How about not spending the money on figuring out ways to destroy some gook village and instead spend it on health care. Wait untill they turn this stuff on you.
"This city has been pacified", Judge Joe Dredd
"Just a thought; But what was the Operating System of Choice for those poor unfortunate Department of Homeland Security Victims?"
'The contract, awarded June 27, named Microsoft as the "primary technology provider" to the Department of Homeland Security, supplying desktop and server software critical for the agency'
"Microsoft Corp. has hired another Homeland Security Department official for its team "
was: Re:Just Out of Curiosity
RedHat is EAL4 certified on a particular hardware configuration, no one has physical access and you don't connect it to an insecure network like the Interent. I'm not sure how much use these certs are in the real world. But it does mean something to the PHBs. Now excuse me while my manager explains what ISO 9000 is, again ..
"This sort of behaviour is precisely what the patent system is meant to stop; if what the small company is doing is innovative it give them a gov't monopoly for upto 20 years to get big enough to stop the big company from crushing it"
Patents are designed to deny smaller companies entry to the market. Else why would a whole industry grow up around submarine patents.
"But big companies have convinced the world that patents are evil"
Are you living in some alternate mirror universe.
was: Re:Answer Yes, sort of
What ever happened to competition in a free market place. You know, the place where us consumers are supposed to benefit from. Unlike those inefficent state run monopolies of yore. Oh wait, they didn't really mean it.
It's ironic that he want to resist the politicization of science as meanwhile his good buddy George W. is doing everything he can to suppress debate on the issue. The Us 'invests' in the Czech Republic, moves missiles in and now Vaclav Klaus is rubbishing Global Warming. Nothing to see here, move along. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070604/ap_on_go_pr_wh /global_warming_satellites
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/20/cheney%E2%80%9 9s-office-involved-in-global-warming-manipulation/
Right, a very stirring tale of one plucky self-employed consultant who personally appended the identity thief. But a very relevant question to ask here is, who made it so easy to get your identity stolen and what responsibility do they bare.
"has established information warfare units to develop viruses to attack enemy computer systems and networks"
Why don't they make a 'computer system' that don't get viruses. And anyone who uses a computer on a military network that is suseptable to 'viruses' needs their collective heads examined. Besides which the real US military network is isolated from the Internet. Besides which winSEC was diluted so that the security services could monitor the real enemy, their own people.
"the first and only ad is for Google Checkout"
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Fishtec Fly Fishing
Fishtec - Your Fly Fishing Partner.
Fish Tec - Buy Online Today.
www.Fishtec.co.uk
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=eb
was Re:Fun Experiment
"It's no secret that part of Google's plan for world domination is to replace eBay, which involves selling products via Google Base and paying for them using Google Checkout. However, Google isn't yet powerful enough to launch the expected blitzkrieg, so the two companies maintain friendly relations under what's been compared to the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact signed by Von Ribbentrop for Germany and Stalin"
..
Who said that amateurism on the Internet was leading to the death of real journalisim
Godwins Lawbr>
-- br>
"we both made shells for the Nazis, but mine worked, dammit!", C. Montgomery Burns
ISS getting ready for a new computer system
..
a dy-for-a-new-computer-system/
e -station-may-soon-get-computer-upgradations/
Filed under: Desktops
The International Space Station crew is doing some spring cleaning this week to get ready for an upcoming computer upgrade. Related and unrelated novelties include 10 times faster networking and a brand new window and camera combo which was installed last week
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/19/iss-getting-re
http://www.spacescan.org/entry/international-spac
Hello, my name is Narinda and I am your technical support representitive, now just insert the recovery disk and call me back in two hours.
..
Tech Support in Space
"Seriously, as flawed as MS Office is, OpenOffice.org, in my not-so-humble opinion, is worse in many ways .. if you only edit 1-10 page documents, you might be able to get away with using OO.o, but if you're trying to write a book or a thesis using OO.o, the program quickly becomes excruciatingly slow and painful to deal with .. the monolithic nature of OO.o is disturbing .."
..
..
..
..
Windows running msOffice, OpenOffice
I fired up a ten page word doc in Word and OO, and
a) resized to one hundred pages using copy and paste
b) selected print view scrolled through a few pages
c) saved, closed then re-opened
Results:
a) Couldn't see any big difference in response
b) Couldn't see any big difference in response
c) msWord appeared to open faster than OO
But that was because the first page was displayed instantly while the rest of the document was loaded in the background. Eg. You couldn't go to the last page. OO waits until the whole document is loaded. Also OpenOffice opened from its native file format which is a zipped XML file. The sizes of the files different greatly, msWord = 606KB, OO = 15KB. A zipped version of msWord doc came in at 24KB. So presumably the difference in load speed was becasue of the uncompression.
was Re:OpenOffice.org is not a threat
Trash OpenOffice and then insert a free advert for Vista ..
e /Windows_Vista_BSOD
http://www.thehumorarchives.com.nyud.net:8080/jok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ulXQVlynjo
"Yes."
From my understanding GPL3 is the same as GPL2 except for added provisions preventing the tivoization of the GPL. That is preventing vender imposing DRM type restrictions on what the end-user can do with his computer.
What's too much to bear about dynamically linking ?
"The GPL attempts to be viral - that is, if you do something wrong like statically linking to a GPL library, it tries to force you to license your code under the GPL"
What's viral about the GPL is it says you are free to use the code without restriction with full access to the source code. The only provisor being that you must also pass on those FREEDOMS with your source code. Else dynamically link to the GPL, else use a different license, else use the BSD license.
"This has not been tested in court"
According to this gpl-violations.org prevailed in court against D-Link regarding them not publishing the full source, as per the license. It this doesn't satisify you, what criteria would satisfy you that the GPL was tested in court.
"What GPL vigilante efforts usually try to do as a first step is get infringers to clean up their code. So, do not willingly violate the GPL, and if you do get one such notice from the community, do stop everything and be sure you are clean and forthcoming about it"
'vigilante' ?. I assume you are refering to gpl-violations.org. What's right about a company getting benefit out of selling hardware incorporating GPL code and not complying with the license. Here BT is selling a Thomson router based on GPL code. Thomson failed to publish all the code and were called on it.
"No. It all depends on which libraries you use
I hadn't realized it was so complicated. I thought all you had to do was include the following 21 lines of text in your product to be covered and you don't have to include your source. Besides which if up to now the GPL was so problematical, then why is it that Tivo, Sony, Toshiba, NEC, Fujitsu, Hitachi and Mitsubishi are happy to sell product incorporating Linux.
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was Re:Answers
Comrade could you tell me about how the GPL prevents those capitalist looters from infringing on the GPL. Certainly Comrade, first of all our clever scientists have made it viral and we have set up a team of vigilantes to intimidate them
SPAM: "the sender's name on this particular e-mail sent a shudder down his spine .."
.."
.."
...
.. They are attacking the vulnerability of people's brains, Sophos
PHISING: "The e-mail claimed in convincing detail that there was a problem
FAKE WEB SITES: [and] "urged customers to click on a link--to a phony website
DDOS ATTACKS: "Dougherty's website lay in a coma from a devastating distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack that"
Well the root cause of the problem is the above so to fend off cybercriminals you would have to
01. Create an email infrastructure that provides end-to-end authentication and encryption.
02. Create a web identity infrastructure that provides end-to-end authentication and encryption.
03. Make a desktop computer that can't be compromised to be used in a DDoS attack, merely by clicking on an URL or opening an email attachment.
04. Design the upstream network infrastructure to mitigate against DDoS attacks.
Why are we still talking about all this in the middle of 2007. What are all those innovators and security experts doing to earn their salaries.
'These are not attacking any kind of vulnerability in the computer
"I mean, sure, you can have something like OpenBSD, but just how usable do you think such a system would be? Consider the kernel, the UI, the file system, assorted applications (browser, office applications) etc. and you'd begin to see how hard it becomes to keep the system locked tight with that level of complexity (not to mention scalability)"
It's called OS X based on BSD/Darwin/NEXTSTEP and released in 1999
was Re:Unfair standard?
"Granted google's search isn't isn't even as close to being as useless as real player was"
logical non-sequitur, trollie. The useless or lack thereof of Real Player bares no logical relation the the quality of Google Search. Else why did MS go to the trouble of leaning on OEMs to drop it, lean on AOL to block access to Real Player content and 'request' caps on non-MS format streams.
was Re:Google=Real (score -1: snort)