'if you build a better mouse trap, the world will beat a path to your door'
No, you license a mouse trap to a company whilst not actually owning one, then go out and buy one from a third company and get the first company to pay for it. Later on you license the same mouse trap to other companies as first company neglected to get an exclusive deal. Later on first company tries and fails to wriggle out through the invention of their own mOuSse2. YOU take the money and spend it on MouseNT trap instead. Fool me once, shame on you etc..:)
You also declare all other rodent incarceration methods as violating your IP and make vague litigation noises in the press. You then offer cross-licensing deals with said other companies as long as they agree they are violating your IP. If anyone sues YOU for copying, then your defence is that they all stole it from Xerox PARC back when we all attended that big demo.
Re:Markets, not quality, decide predominance (Score:5, Informative)
"some of the spreadsheet functions that the kids need to use in projects (like webquery) make it crash"
I hadn't realized webquery was deemed mandatory by the UK department of education. How the heck did I manage in IT all these years without webquery. But wait according to this you can also perform webquery in Open Office. 'I was able to make this Webquery example work on my computer with very little effort'.
"A-level and GCSE projects require the use of Macros, and teh database software does not have these"
I just opened Open Office Base and it says:
'Macros created with OpenOffice.org Basic based on the old programming interface will no longer be supported by the current version.. For more information on OpenOffice.org Basic, select "OpenOffice.org Basic" in the list box'
"that means they'll be confused come September when new programs are thrown at them; we're going to have to take some time out to familiarise the kids (and staff) with some of the features and quirks"
You're kidding right, kids have to be familiarised with the software. If it's anthing like my old college, it'll be the kids who will be showing the staff.
"hundreds of teaching resources that we need to redevelop in our own time"
insert training FUD here..
"The savings would take a good while to manifest themselves after the initial confusion/retraining/whatever"
"The piece from Fox was stupid as hell. It was ill informed and hideously overblown. At the same time, it bothers me that you're so quick to blame the victim"
Have you considered using a 'computer' that isn't so easily compromised by 'computer hackers'.
"That's as ridiculous as asking a burglary victim why they didn't put in a deadbolt. Whether they made the safest choice doesn't matter, whoever compromised their "computer" broke the law"
No, whoever sold me the 'computer' should be prosecuted. And apparently this 'hacker' did decide to investigate them. Now the're after his momma, for shame. What kind of a locksmith is it who can't secure his own front door.
"If people phish your password and use it to access an account of yours, they are breaking the law"
That's the thing about crooks, they don't obey the law. What responsibility do the people that designed such a phishing friendly computer bare. Which would be more effective, a twenty year felony charge or a secure desktop that can't be compromised by clicking on a URL or opening an e-mail attachment.
"I've seven different passwords they've got them all so far", David
Have you considered using a 'computer' that isn't so easily compromised by 'computer hackers'. Your girlfriend left you? boo hoo hoo...
"victims are asking why is this all happening to me"
Because you are using MS Bisto..
"this hackers who wants us to hide his identity"
Not much of a 'hacker' if they have his home phone number and address already..
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key BS..
destroy, fbi, hackers on steroids, internet hate machine, anti-semetic and racist, attack, death threats, die, domestic terrorists, domestic terrorists, electronic security, phone tracer, bought a dog, hackers on steroids, kill, mother is fighting, online childerns games, rape, whole family under attack...
"The court did not uphold the GPL. It only decided that Skype violated the GPL and.."
"You could construct a case probably by having a license that also encourages murder and rape... like: by using this software you also a accept that the nazis did not committed a holocaust"
was: Re:Hm, no a german court did _not_ "upheld" the GP
"At that time the IBM personal computer and compatibles were still clunky, expensive, glorified word processing DOS machines"
"Enter the dark era. The hardware driven computer developments failed due to poor marketing, development and a whole host of other problems. This is when the software became king, and instead of competing, all hardware was slowly being designed to yield to the software and operating system design"
"However, the desktop PC is crap. It's rubbish. The experience is so bloated and slowed down in all the things that matter to us. We all own computers today that were considered supercomputers 10 years ago.. So why on earth is everything so slow?"
"I watched the development and to be honest... I was horrified. The names of all the kernel hackers I had come to respect and observe were all frantically working away on this new and improved kernel and pretty much everyone was working on all this enterprise crap that a desktop cares not about"
"Or click on a window and drag it across the screen and it would spit and stutter in starts and bursts. Or write one large file to disk and find that the mouse cursor would move and everything else on the desktop would be dead without refreshing for a minute"
--
Why Linux Has Failed on the Desktop
"Linux is burdened with 'enterprise crap' that makes it run poorly on desktop PCs", Zonk quoting SlinkySausage.
Quoting him out of context and making him say something he didn't say... for shame Zonk... the headline is also misleading.
Is that all they can find to say about the OLPC. When was the last time you read a headline about schoolchildren viewing porn under MS Bisto? How about a story about an international news organization partnering up with US cable company's to deliver quality porn to cable and satellite subscribers. Here in Euroland we can always can rely on Murdochs Sky Adult channels.
All we need now is OLPC contributes to a) terrorism, b) money laundering and c) contributes to third world poverty. Scratch the last one, its the GPL that does that, according to Jonathan Schwartz.
Of course anyone cares. People rely on Hotmail unfortunatly, journalists, business people. That fact that Hotmail silently drops these emails is a totally unaceptable.
translation: An open format that anyone can write to without conceding licensing restrictions to a single commercial company is in actuallity a monopoly.
"Certainly there's a place for ODF in the world, the interoperability team continues, and users are free to make that choice for whatever reasons they'd want to do so"
"Microsoft perceives the standards process as one of four "toolsets".. to achieve interoperability.. when the standards process fails, he said, the other three "toolsets" could be relied upon as a backup plan"
translation: We'll pretend to support open standards while covertly working to push our own non-standard standard.
'Standards, Robertson told BetaNews, "are a very important tool to use to address interoperability.. cycle of innovation that's more rapid than the cycle of standardization.. and shouldn't you look to some of the other tools that you have available to you, to address interoperability?'
translation: We'll continue to play hunt the piñata with the formats as it's worked very well up to now in maintaining our monopoly on the desktop.
How about publishing an RFC the next time you 'innovate'?
"the authors of a new software license expected to be used by thousands of open source programmers are a bunch of hypocrites.."
When alleged technical journalists have to resort to lies and distortions you begin to suspect their motives. In a long and involved response to another poster Torvalds actually said:
> To call people who draw the line in a different place than you hypocrites is BS.
I don't think it's hypocritical to prefer the GPLv3. That's a fine choice, it's just not *mine*.
What I called hypocritical was to do so in the name of "freedom", while you're at the same time trying to argue that I don't have the "freedom" to make my own choice.
"The whole point that PJ has been going on about are Microsoft's little coupons. She is under the impression that issuing a coupon is the same thing as distributing"
No, there is no 'impression' here, the issue is that GPL 3 specifically refers to propagating and conveying not just distributing, as such it most certainly applies to MS coupons.
"This is an extremely tenuous position, for the simple fact that Microsoft hasn't copied anything. A coupon is a method for a third party to step in and facilitate payment between a seller and a buyer"
It is most certainly a tenuous position, but only for Microsoft. Lets read what GPL 3 actually says about propagate and convey:
'To "propagate" a work means to do anything with it that, without permission, would make you directly or secondarily liable for infringement under applicable copyright law, except executing it on a computer or modifying a private copy. Propagation includes copying, distribution (with or without modification), making available to the public, and in some countries other activities as well'
'To "convey" a work means any kind of propagation that enables other parties to make or receive copies. Mere interaction with a user through a computer network, with no transfer of a copy, is not conveying'
"In shory, GPLv3 can say anything it wants, but it falls under copyright law, and if I don't copy, I can't infringe. No version of the GPL can define what constitutes making a copy - only the law can do that"
But if YOU use GPL code then YOU are bound by the license, regardless of what a MS lawyer might say.
was: Coupons do not make for distribution (Score:3, Insightful)
'take the wsj for example. you ship via delivery people, they are your oems. you have dominant share of the daily news market. what if the delivery people could substitute someone's else's front page for your own and further more what if it was not even clear that it wasn't the wsj?'
"Each user will be assigned a login ID and password for the Windows NT system"
"The SIPRNET workstation may be used to download files from the SIPRNET. Anti-virus software has been installed and runs as a TSR program.. Any files downloaded to floppy or printed must be entered into the Automated Security Control Program (ASCP) by Document Control personnel"
who invented the BSOD ..
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"Show me a study where a non-technical standard business user is successfully using SUSE for 30 days as their only OS, and suddenly you got my interest"
I've sat non-technical Windows user down in front of this dual boot Win/SuSE/KDE box and they can't tell the difference. Start menu, browser, word processer, email, media player, they can't tell the difference.
"It feels well-integrated and well-supported enough to be used in selected circumstances in my organization, but I don't know enough about the remote management tools and capabilities for it"
"He would consider running Novell SUSE on kiosks used exclusively for browsing the Web in CareGroup's hospitals. He also thinks it would be fine for early adopters of new technology who are willing to adapt to slightly different user interfaces and experiences"
His conclusion? Its NOT ready... (Score:4, Informative)
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'if you build a better mouse trap, the world will beat a path to your door'
.. :)
No, you license a mouse trap to a company whilst not actually owning one, then go out and buy one from a third company and get the first company to pay for it. Later on you license the same mouse trap to other companies as first company neglected to get an exclusive deal. Later on first company tries and fails to wriggle out through the invention of their own mOuSse2. YOU take the money and spend it on MouseNT trap instead. Fool me once, shame on you etc
You also declare all other rodent incarceration methods as violating your IP and make vague litigation noises in the press. You then offer cross-licensing deals with said other companies as long as they agree they are violating your IP. If anyone sues YOU for copying, then your defence is that they all stole it from Xerox PARC back when we all attended that big demo.
Re:Markets, not quality, decide predominance (Score:5, Informative)
"After five days, Disk BASIC was up and running on the Altair"
Only after 'Gates obtained the source code for a version of Basic from DECUS, a DEC user's group'
--
Bill G on ACID &-)
"I teach IT is a high school in England and"
..
.. For more information on OpenOffice.org Basic, select "OpenOffice.org Basic" in the list box'
..
..
I believe you, I really do
"some of the spreadsheet functions that the kids need to use in projects (like webquery) make it crash"
I hadn't realized webquery was deemed mandatory by the UK department of education. How the heck did I manage in IT all these years without webquery. But wait according to this you can also perform webquery in Open Office. 'I was able to make this Webquery example work on my computer with very little effort'.
"A-level and GCSE projects require the use of Macros, and teh database software does not have these"
I just opened Open Office Base and it says:
'Macros created with OpenOffice.org Basic based on the old programming interface will no longer be supported by the current version
"that means they'll be confused come September when new programs are thrown at them; we're going to have to take some time out to familiarise the kids (and staff) with some of the features and quirks"
You're kidding right, kids have to be familiarised with the software. If it's anthing like my old college, it'll be the kids who will be showing the staff.
"hundreds of teaching resources that we need to redevelop in our own time"
insert training FUD here
"The savings would take a good while to manifest themselves after the initial confusion/retraining/whatever"
Insert increased costs FUD here
UN body promotes open source in education
Open Source in Schools
Linux Case Study : Orwell High School
was: Re:A rock and a hard place
"The piece from Fox was stupid as hell. It was ill informed and hideously overblown. At the same time, it bothers me that you're so quick to blame the victim"
.. (Score:2, Redundant)
Have you considered using a 'computer' that isn't so easily compromised by 'computer hackers'.
"That's as ridiculous as asking a burglary victim why they didn't put in a deadbolt. Whether they made the safest choice doesn't matter, whoever compromised their "computer" broke the law"
No, whoever sold me the 'computer' should be prosecuted. And apparently this 'hacker' did decide to investigate them. Now the're after his momma, for shame. What kind of a locksmith is it who can't secure his own front door.
"If people phish your password and use it to access an account of yours, they are breaking the law"
That's the thing about crooks, they don't obey the law. What responsibility do the people that designed such a phishing friendly computer bare. Which would be more effective, a twenty year felony charge or a secure desktop that can't be compromised by clicking on a URL or opening an e-mail attachment.
what a load of BS
"I've seven different passwords they've got them all so far", David
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Have you considered using a 'computer' that isn't so easily compromised by 'computer hackers'. Your girlfriend left you? boo hoo hoo
"victims are asking why is this all happening to me"
Because you are using MS Bisto
"this hackers who wants us to hide his identity"
Not much of a 'hacker' if they have his home phone number and address already
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destroy, fbi, hackers on steroids, internet hate machine, anti-semetic and racist, attack, death threats, die, domestic terrorists, domestic terrorists, electronic security, phone tracer, bought a dog, hackers on steroids, kill, mother is fighting, online childerns games, rape, whole family under attack
"The court did not uphold the GPL. It only decided that Skype violated the GPL and .."
... like: by using this software you also a accept that the nazis did not committed a holocaust"
"You could construct a case probably by having a license that also encourages murder and rape
was: Re:Hm, no a german court did _not_ "upheld" the GP
It does amaze me that we need 2ghz clock speed and 4GB ram to barely achieve the performance of decade old Amiga.
..
was: Re:the desktop PC is crap
"At that time the IBM personal computer and compatibles were still clunky, expensive, glorified word processing DOS machines"
.. So why on earth is everything so slow?"
... for shame Zonk ... the headline is also misleading.
"Enter the dark era. The hardware driven computer developments failed due to poor marketing, development and a whole host of other problems. This is when the software became king, and instead of competing, all hardware was slowly being designed to yield to the software and operating system design"
"However, the desktop PC is crap. It's rubbish. The experience is so bloated and slowed down in all the things that matter to us. We all own computers today that were considered supercomputers 10 years ago
"I watched the development and to be honest... I was horrified. The names of all the kernel hackers I had come to respect and observe were all frantically working away on this new and improved kernel and pretty much everyone was working on all this enterprise crap that a desktop cares not about"
"Or click on a window and drag it across the screen and it would spit and stutter in starts and bursts. Or write one large file to disk and find that the mouse cursor would move and everything else on the desktop would be dead without refreshing for a minute"
--
Why Linux Has Failed on the Desktop
"Linux is burdened with 'enterprise crap' that makes it run poorly on desktop PCs", Zonk quoting SlinkySausage.
Quoting him out of context and making him say something he didn't say
Is that all they can find to say about the OLPC. When was the last time you read a headline about schoolchildren viewing porn under MS Bisto? How about a story about an international news organization partnering up with US cable company's to deliver quality porn to cable and satellite subscribers. Here in Euroland we can always can rely on Murdochs Sky Adult channels.
Comcast cashing in on porn
AT&T porn channel challenged by religious investors
All we need now is OLPC contributes to a) terrorism, b) money laundering and c) contributes to third world poverty. Scratch the last one, its the GPL that does that, according to Jonathan Schwartz.
Ok Microsofties, you can all stop posting now. You are sucessfull in packing the thread with off topic drivel.
Of course anyone cares. People rely on Hotmail unfortunatly, journalists, business people. That fact that Hotmail silently drops these emails is a totally unaceptable.
Re:Not News
"acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq"
..
Come on down GEORGE W
Does this mean that Bush will have to prosecute himself under this legislation?
"undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people"
Is it possible to oppose US policy in the middle east and still not be a terrorist?
"open source ODF format as perhaps trying to monopolize the standards process"
.. to achieve interoperability .. when the standards process fails, he said, the other three "toolsets" could be relied upon as a backup plan"
.. cycle of innovation that's more rapid than the cycle of standardization .. and shouldn't you look to some of the other tools that you have available to you, to address interoperability?'
translation: An open format that anyone can write to without conceding licensing restrictions to a single commercial company is in actuallity a monopoly.
"Certainly there's a place for ODF in the world, the interoperability team continues, and users are free to make that choice for whatever reasons they'd want to do so"
translation: We want to own the standard.
"We ensure our ability to add value by ensuring that we are masters of the schema"
"Microsoft perceives the standards process as one of four "toolsets"
translation: We'll pretend to support open standards while covertly working to push our own non-standard standard.
'Standards, Robertson told BetaNews, "are a very important tool to use to address interoperability
translation: We'll continue to play hunt the piñata with the formats as it's worked very well up to now in maintaining our monopoly on the desktop.
How about publishing an RFC the next time you 'innovate'?
When alleged technical journalists have to resort to lies and distortions you begin to suspect their motives. In a long and involved response to another poster Torvalds actually said:
Did you actually read the Groklaw article?
"The whole point that PJ has been going on about are Microsoft's little coupons. She is under the impression that issuing a coupon is the same thing as distributing"
No, there is no 'impression' here, the issue is that GPL 3 specifically refers to propagating and conveying not just distributing, as such it most certainly applies to MS coupons.
"This is an extremely tenuous position, for the simple fact that Microsoft hasn't copied anything. A coupon is a method for a third party to step in and facilitate payment between a seller and a buyer"
It is most certainly a tenuous position, but only for Microsoft. Lets read what GPL 3 actually says about propagate and convey:
'To "propagate" a work means to do anything with it that, without permission, would make you directly or secondarily liable for infringement under applicable copyright law, except executing it on a computer or modifying a private copy. Propagation includes copying, distribution (with or without modification), making available to the public, and in some countries other activities as well'
'To "convey" a work means any kind of propagation that enables other parties to make or receive copies. Mere interaction with a user through a computer network, with no transfer of a copy, is not conveying'
"In shory, GPLv3 can say anything it wants, but it falls under copyright law, and if I don't copy, I can't infringe. No version of the GPL can define what constitutes making a copy - only the law can do that"
But if YOU use GPL code then YOU are bound by the license, regardless of what a MS lawyer might say.
was: Coupons do not make for distribution (Score:3, Insightful)
For all the good the AV industry does, they might as well be selling rocks.
Übersoft v Richard Stallman
Matrix XP
Microsoft iPod
Southpark Matrix - Parody
Ghost in the shell- Matrix Parody
Exclusive Matrix Parody
'take the wsj for example. you ship via delivery people, they are your oems. you have dominant share of the daily news market. what if the delivery people could substitute someone's else's front page for your own and further more what if it was not even clear that it wasn't the wsj?'
Why don't RedHat start sending threatening letters to MS customers telling them that they are in violation of RH patents.
"The answers are too obvious. The community would cope by..."
Totally ignore the main points of the article and address totally bogus strawman fallacy.
was: Re:Can't Cope, Clown'll Eat Me
"Each user will be assigned a login ID and password for the Windows NT system"
.. Any files downloaded to floppy or printed must be entered into the Automated Security Control Program (ASCP) by Document Control personnel"
"The SIPRNET workstation may be used to download files from the SIPRNET. Anti-virus software has been installed and runs as a TSR program
http://daimyo.org/node/44o ntent/atmBSOD.jpg
http://blog.eponymous.org/pics/atm1.jpg
http://www.oss.cayey.upr.edu/blogs/tecno4all/wp-c
"Show me a study where a non-technical standard business user is successfully using SUSE for 30 days as their only OS, and suddenly you got my interest"
I've sat non-technical Windows user down in front of this dual boot Win/SuSE/KDE box and they can't tell the difference. Start menu, browser, word processer, email, media player, they can't tell the difference.
was: Re:This Article Is Heavily Flawed
"It feels well-integrated and well-supported enough to be used in selected circumstances in my organization, but I don't know enough about the remote management tools and capabilities for it"
"He would consider running Novell SUSE on kiosks used exclusively for browsing the Web in CareGroup's hospitals. He also thinks it would be fine for early adopters of new technology who are willing to adapt to slightly different user interfaces and experiences"
His conclusion? Its NOT ready... (Score:4, Informative)