"Iceweasel, is using about the same amount of memory as the rest of the system combined"
I wouldn't have known about the issue except that every time Firefox is mentioned on slashdot it gets talked about. The alleged leak is to do with Firefox using memory to cache pages. The solution is simple. Type about:config in the address bar and change browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewer , browser.cache.memory.capacity and config.trim_on_minimize.
Firefox here.. 37 MB with 2 windows and 2 tabs open and any increase is to do with the size of the cache.
--
The alleged leak is to do with Firefox using memory to cache pages. The solution is simple. Type about:config in the address bar and change browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewer , browser.cache.memory.capacity and config.trim_on_minimize.
Firefox here.. 37 MB with 2 windows and 2 tabs open and any increase is to do with the size of the cache.
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"Hmmmmm, 285Mb with 2 windows and 2 tabs open. Only 18Mb shared too, which isn't a good sign for our multi user machines"
The alleged leak is to do with Firefox using memory to cache pages. The solution is simple. Type about:config in the address bar and schange browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewer , browser.cache.memory.capacity and config.trim_on_minimize.
Firefox here.. 37 MB with 2 windows and 2 tabs open and any increase is to do with the size of the cache.
--
I like Firefox except for $RANDOM.FUD..
was: How much memory does it consume? (Score: Firefox memory leak FUD)
You click on spellcheck and it pops up over the word you are trying to spellcheck. You have to move the box to see the word. You have to do this every time.
"'Most people who are familiar with patents know it's not standard operating procedure to list the patents,' Markwith said. 'The response of that would be administratively impossible to keep up with.'"
Who are these people familiar with patents? Why not get them to tell us?
"The reason we disclosed that, is because there was a request for transparency following the Novell deal Iast November. This was a response to that transparency"
Who exactly asked for transparency? How can you be transparent and not tell us what the patents are, at the same time.
"We had another round of here we go again... we are pretty confident we can offer the customers coverage [from prosecution]"
translation: Buy our stuff or we'll sue your ass off.
was: The synopsis has it wrong (Score:5, astroturf)
When was the last time you could get a computer without Windows preinstalled, without going to an obscure website and jumping through hoops to get a refund.
When someone gets Linux, he installs it..
Where can someone get Linux preinstalled in the high street computer shop.
As a confirmed uber-geek what are the difficulty in the average users using the GUI? Please be specific?
'Anyone who claims that the Linux distros are as easy or even easier to use than Windows have completely missed something... it's just not true..'
I put people down in front of this dual boot box and show them Forefox and Open Office. They can't tell the difference. 'Oh look it's just like Windows'.
1 - On the whole, users aren't all that dissatisfied with Windows
If you really want to know just how dissatisfied people really are listen in on to the phone calls received in the average Windows call center. There's a number floating round the web. If you work in tech support the average day is spent in getting bawled out by some irate PHB.
2 - Too many distros
You can only use the one distro at a time. How do people manage to drive with all those different models on the road. It must be very confusing for them.
3 - People want certainty that hardware and software will work
Vista..:)
4 - As far as most people are concerned, the command line has gone the way of the dinosaur
Any current distro provides full functionality from the GUI. Browsing, email, wordprocessing, CD burning, Media player etc..
This worm or virus depending on who is saying it, requires Perl, XChat and write and executable access to be able to run. None of which applies to any self respecting Linux users computer. Yet another bogus Linux 'virus' article. Must be a slow day for real news.
"They are attacking the vulnerability of people's brains", Graham Cluley, Sophos
'Do the popular free software implementations of SQL (MySQL, PostgreSQL, Firebird SQL, etc.) implement stored procedures in any sort of standard manner?'
I don't know what you mean by standard manner. According to this PostgreSQL uses something called procedural languages. But then again since when was SQL ever implimented in a common standard. Remember when Microsoft 'extended' SQL so as to allow spaces in table names, you only have to wrap the name in square brackets [] or back-ticks ``.
But my point is still valid, there must be any number of ways to achieve the same usability as sending an SQL query to the client, which fills in the variables and sends it back to the server. So that things like the below don't happen where you your replace the $ENV variable with a bogus SQL query.
'Back in the Win95 days, I recall a stupid little exploit that would lock up a Win95 machine. The root of the problem, however, was in the TCP/IP code from BSD's source'
I assume you are referring to the ping of death. The root cause being a bug in the TCP protocol and occured on other platforms not using the BSD code.
What kind of a flawed design is it where character encoding can impact security. The concept of scanning for unsafe strings is also flawed as in the case of virus scanning, as it only know about the stuff it knows about. This is another example of Ranums enumerating badness. If the SQL engine used only stored procedures then you wouldn't have to run a content scanner as the only thing coming over HTTP is DATA.
'no-one had any idea, or could even conceive of the idea that spam would become such a big problem'
How does a statement Gates made in Jan 2004 logically relate to no-one concieving spam as ever being a problem, in what ever time frame you are referencing.
'Again though, if they had an inkling, he was hardly going to say 'well yes, in a few years most mail on the internet will be spam'. That's hardly going to help him sell Outlook now is it?'
But by Jan 2004, everyone had an inkling that spam was a problem, including Gates. The difference was that no-one else predicted the demise of spam in TWO years.
'He wasn't talking as some kind of all knowing Oracle, he was talking as a powerful businessman with a definite agenda'
What amazing psychical ability you must posess, being able to retrospectively read the mind of the chief software architect of the universe.
'Why do people keep dragging this up?'
Because when someone sets themselves up as a predictor of future events, when we get past the annointed day and the thing didn't happen we kinda suspect the architect has no clothes.
the OS/2 stuff is predictable (Score: go back to usenet)
'he was selling the product when he said this.. he was actually right in the idea of it'
Illogical non-sequitur. Even though he was wrong he was actually right as he really meant Windows. So assuming in a parallel universe OS/2 is preeminent he is also right there also. Is achieving quantum coherencece across the multiverse also one of billg.s many talents.
He was selling OS/2 when he said that and he was actually wrong in it. MS likewarm support was what actually killed it eventually.
'It just happen to be Windows and not OS/2. Microsoft attacked the general market. IBM only knew about dealing with businesses'
Yet more retrospective revisionism. Why did MS fail to market OS/2 sucessfully since it was after all a joint MS IBM project.
'Once Microsoft moved away from OS/2 and went full bore on Windows, OS/2's days were numbered'
Even before the schism with IBM, MS was busy about FUDing OS/2 in public.
"The demos of OS/2 were excellent, crashing the system had the intended effect -- to FUD OS/2 2.0"
'even though OS/2 had a lot of things going for it over Windows'
Onc of those things being isolation between processes while Windows was still at Win3.1.
OS/2 (Score:5, MOD up yet even more excuses)
'NT4, win2000, XP, win2003 and vista are descendants of OS/2'
Only in the sence that lower primates are decendent from homo sapiens. At the time even MS recognised that OS/2 was superior. They only abandon it once they realized they couldn't get total control of it. In the imortal words of billg we
can't get IBMed on this one.
In this case it was a rogue device pumping out too much garbled date. The solution being to design nodes that isolate the network from such occurances. The devices communicate through some high level protocol that is validated by the nodes before getting on the network, not as seems to be in this case standard TCP/IP over Ethernet. The loss of two recirculation pumps because of a network event is not trivial.
"They were also using candles to determine whether or not the leaks had been successfully plugged.. The electrical engineer put the candle too close to the foam rubber, and it burst into flame"
Don't try and find sources of draft using inflammable foam and a candle..
Don't route the backup system through the same conduits as the primary one..
was Brown's Ferry *AGAIN!?!??!* (Score:4, AGhaaaaaa !!!, ohh God, make me a believer )
You forgot to mention the servers are wired with motion detectors, CO2 detectors and mercury tilt switches connected to one thousand pounds of C-4.
was Re:Don't lend Trusted computing legitimacy
Can two or more standards be, by definitation, standard? Why not just publish a RFC and allow everyone write applications to that. What could be more standard than that.
Slashdot Mirror
"Tell me again what about that is, in any way, simple"
Firefox's Memory Leak Bug or a Feature ?
"Iceweasel, is using about the same amount of memory as the rest of the system combined"
.. 37 MB with 2 windows and 2 tabs open and any increase is to do with the size of the cache.
--
..
I wouldn't have known about the issue except that every time Firefox is mentioned on slashdot it gets talked about. The alleged leak is to do with Firefox using memory to cache pages. The solution is simple. Type about:config in the address bar and change browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewer , browser.cache.memory.capacity and config.trim_on_minimize.
Firefox here
I love Firefox except for $RANDOM.FUD
was: Light version? (Score:2)
The alleged leak is to do with Firefox using memory to cache pages. The solution is simple. Type about:config in the address bar and change browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewer , browser.cache.memory.capacity and config.trim_on_minimize.
.. 37 MB with 2 windows and 2 tabs open and any increase is to do with the size of the cache.
--
..
Firefox here
I like Firefox except for $RANDOM.FUD
was; Re:Memory use (Score:1)
"Hmmmmm, 285Mb with 2 windows and 2 tabs open. Only 18Mb shared too, which isn't a good sign for our multi user machines"
.. 37 MB with 2 windows and 2 tabs open and any increase is to do with the size of the cache.
--
..
The alleged leak is to do with Firefox using memory to cache pages. The solution is simple. Type about:config in the address bar and schange browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewer , browser.cache.memory.capacity and config.trim_on_minimize.
Firefox here
I like Firefox except for $RANDOM.FUD
was: How much memory does it consume? (Score: Firefox memory leak FUD)
Integral Capital Management > Drugstore.com > Microsoft > SCO > Melinda French Gates > Silver Lake Partners > Bill Gates ..
7 4">SCO and MS Have a Mutual Friend
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steve-jobs-versus-bill
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steve and bill
steve and bill
You click on spellcheck and it pops up over the word you are trying to spellcheck. You have to move the box to see the word. You have to do this every time.
"'Most people who are familiar with patents know it's not standard operating procedure to list the patents,' Markwith said. 'The response of that would be administratively impossible to keep up with.'"
Who are these people familiar with patents? Why not get them to tell us?
"The reason we disclosed that, is because there was a request for transparency following the Novell deal Iast November. This was a response to that transparency"
Who exactly asked for transparency? How can you be transparent and not tell us what the patents are, at the same time.
"We had another round of here we go again... we are pretty confident we can offer the customers coverage [from prosecution]"
translation: Buy our stuff or we'll sue your ass off.
was: The synopsis has it wrong (Score:5, astroturf)
'When someone gets Windows, he installs it ..'
..
When was the last time you could get a computer without Windows preinstalled, without going to an obscure website and jumping through hoops to get a refund. When someone gets Linux, he installs it
Where can someone get Linux preinstalled in the high street computer shop.
The reason is user attitude (Score:5, Insightful)
As a confirmed uber-geek what are the difficulty in the average users using the GUI? Please be specific?
..'
'Anyone who claims that the Linux distros are as easy or even easier to use than Windows have completely missed something... it's just not true
I put people down in front of this dual boot box and show them Forefox and Open Office. They can't tell the difference. 'Oh look it's just like Windows'.
UBER-GEEKS at it again... (Score:5, Interesting)
1 - On the whole, users aren't all that dissatisfied with Windows
.. :)
..
If you really want to know just how dissatisfied people really are listen in on to the phone calls received in the average Windows call center. There's a number floating round the web. If you work in tech support the average day is spent in getting bawled out by some irate PHB.
2 - Too many distros
You can only use the one distro at a time. How do people manage to drive with all those different models on the road. It must be very confusing for them.
3 - People want certainty that hardware and software will work
Vista
4 - As far as most people are concerned, the command line has gone the way of the dinosaur
Any current distro provides full functionality from the GUI. Browsing, email, wordprocessing, CD burning, Media player etc
5 - Linux is still too geeky
Doesn't even deserve a response.
Why is zdnet.com posting this out of date FUD?
'Is Linux's less than impressive market share an indication that the movement is out of touch with the average computer user?'
Where can the average user get Linux preinstalled in the high street computer shop. How many Windows users have to install and configure the OS?
How will Grandma do any damage if she don't have root access. Can you point me to a URL or email me a link that runs venomous from a mouse click.
This worm or virus depending on who is saying it, requires Perl, XChat and write and executable access to be able to run. None of which applies to any self respecting Linux users computer. Yet another bogus Linux 'virus' article. Must be a slow day for real news.
"They are attacking the vulnerability of people's brains ", Graham Cluley, Sophos
'Do the popular free software implementations of SQL (MySQL, PostgreSQL, Firebird SQL, etc.) implement stored procedures in any sort of standard manner?'
I don't know what you mean by standard manner. According to this PostgreSQL uses something called procedural languages. But then again since when was SQL ever implimented in a common standard. Remember when Microsoft 'extended' SQL so as to allow spaces in table names, you only have to wrap the name in square brackets [] or back-ticks ``.
But my point is still valid, there must be any number of ways to achieve the same usability as sending an SQL query to the client, which fills in the variables and sends it back to the server. So that things like the below don't happen where you your replace the $ENV variable with a bogus SQL query.
SELECT fieldlist
FROM table
WHERE field = '$ENV';
'Back in the Win95 days, I recall a stupid little exploit that would lock up a Win95 machine. The root of the problem, however, was in the TCP/IP code from BSD's source'
I assume you are referring to the ping of death. The root cause being a bug in the TCP protocol and occured on other platforms not using the BSD code.
was Another likely example of OSS?
What kind of a flawed design is it where character encoding can impact security. The concept of scanning for unsafe strings is also flawed as in the case of virus scanning, as it only know about the stuff it knows about. This is another example of Ranums enumerating badness. If the SQL engine used only stored procedures then you wouldn't have to run a content scanner as the only thing coming over HTTP is DATA.
'no-one had any idea, or could even conceive of the idea that spam would become such a big problem'
How does a statement Gates made in Jan 2004 logically relate to no-one concieving spam as ever being a problem, in what ever time frame you are referencing.
'Again though, if they had an inkling, he was hardly going to say 'well yes, in a few years most mail on the internet will be spam'. That's hardly going to help him sell Outlook now is it?'
But by Jan 2004, everyone had an inkling that spam was a problem, including Gates. The difference was that no-one else predicted the demise of spam in TWO years. 'He wasn't talking as some kind of all knowing Oracle, he was talking as a powerful businessman with a definite agenda'
What amazing psychical ability you must posess, being able to retrospectively read the mind of the chief software architect of the universe.
'Why do people keep dragging this up?'
Because when someone sets themselves up as a predictor of future events, when we get past the annointed day and the thing didn't happen we kinda suspect the architect has no clothes.
the OS/2 stuff is predictable (Score: go back to usenet)
'he was selling the product when he said this .. he was actually right in the idea of it'
Illogical non-sequitur. Even though he was wrong he was actually right as he really meant Windows. So assuming in a parallel universe OS/2 is preeminent he is also right there also. Is achieving quantum coherencece across the multiverse also one of billg.s many talents.
He was selling OS/2 when he said that and he was actually wrong in it. MS likewarm support was what actually killed it eventually.
'It just happen to be Windows and not OS/2. Microsoft attacked the general market. IBM only knew about dealing with businesses'
Yet more retrospective revisionism. Why did MS fail to market OS/2 sucessfully since it was after all a joint MS IBM project.
'Once Microsoft moved away from OS/2 and went full bore on Windows, OS/2's days were numbered'
Even before the schism with IBM, MS was busy about FUDing OS/2 in public.
"The demos of OS/2 were excellent, crashing the system had the intended effect -- to FUD OS/2 2.0"
'even though OS/2 had a lot of things going for it over Windows'
Onc of those things being isolation between processes while Windows was still at Win3.1. OS/2 (Score:5, MOD up yet even more excuses)
'NT4, win2000, XP, win2003 and vista are descendants of OS/2'
Only in the sence that lower primates are decendent from homo sapiens. At the time even MS recognised that OS/2 was superior. They only abandon it once they realized they couldn't get total control of it. In the imortal words of billg we can't get IBMed on this one.
Re:Regarding OS/2 (Score:2, Insightful)
In this case it was a rogue device pumping out too much garbled date. The solution being to design nodes that isolate the network from such occurances. The devices communicate through some high level protocol that is validated by the nodes before getting on the network, not as seems to be in this case standard TCP/IP over Ethernet. The loss of two recirculation pumps because of a network event is not trivial.
Network stack has too high priority (Score:1)
"They were also using candles to determine whether or not the leaks had been successfully plugged .. The electrical engineer put the candle too close to the foam rubber, and it burst into flame"
..
..
Don't try and find sources of draft using inflammable foam and a candle
Don't route the backup system through the same conduits as the primary one
was Brown's Ferry *AGAIN!?!??!* (Score:4, AGhaaaaaa !!!, ohh God, make me a believer )
You forgot to mention the servers are wired with motion detectors, CO2 detectors and mercury tilt switches connected to one thousand pounds of C-4. was Re:Don't lend Trusted computing legitimacy
'routers went down .. after a switchover to backup routes triggered the routers to rewrite routing tables'
"At this time, Cisco and NTT have not determined the specific cause of the problem"
Can two or more standards be, by definitation, standard? Why not just publish a RFC and allow everyone write applications to that. What could be more standard than that.
What is a "Standard
"Is Microsoft serious about supporting ODF", NO
"is this a merely a PR stunt to make Office Open XML look more like a legitimate standard?", YES