'these machines would have to be a little bit more robust than linux is capable of being at the moment'
What stability issue, and do you have an citations for major data loss because of the stability issue. Is IBM fibbing when it refers to its legendary stability.
'As the manufacturer had already used Linux, it was aware of its great stability. SAP, combined with IBM and Linux offered the best deal in terms of price and performance
'Linux systems excel in many areas, ranging from end-user concerns such as stability, speed, and ease of use, to serious concerns such as development and networking'
hmm (in a story about the NYSE moving to Linux inject a little stability FUD)
General "Buck" Turgidson: Mr. President, we must not allow a Cyber-War gap!
Seriously though, the US should have allowed the commie bastards join NATO when they wanted, instead of creating the ideal conditions for starting WW3.
'two blokes jailed for leaking a memo where Bush tells Blair that he wants to bomb the Al-Jazeera'
This is ironic considering that Blair is not above leaking when trying to distract from some unpleasantness, sometimes even against his against his own people. Or when some bad news has to be got out it's best to do it over the weekend or in the middle of a terrorist alert. His current elder statesman act is equally ironic considering that it was Mo Molan who delivered the Northern Ireland peace and was then forced out of office by creative leaks organized out of No. 10 questioning her mental facilities.
'The leaks occurred a day after the arrest of Lord Levy and a day before No 10 admitted that Tony Blair had been interviewed by police for a second time in the cash for honours affair'
Re:Hmmm
'most of the MSM have strong enough doubts as to the credibility of the evidence'
Who do we believe, are you kidding. Why did they go to the trouble of hosting them on gwb43.com. How exactly do you go about losing emails given that any competent ISP gathers multiple backups as part of its maintenence procedures. What about the copies held on the multiple email servers they passed through. What about copies on the local harddrives?.
GWB43 owned by the RNC. Domain servers A.NS.TRESPASSERS-W.NET belongs to Coptix of Chattanooga, Tennessee, NS1.CHA.SMARTECHCORP.NET also located in Chattanooga, Tennessee, Smartech merged NextLec owned by Mercer Reynolds, President Bushes' fundraiser.
Basically you don't want a certain block of people to be able to vote (be it, republicans, democrats but, historically black democrats in tight elections). You send registered mail to every person on the registered voting list that meets your criteria.
Some mail will be failed to be delivered because the person doesn't live there anymore, they refuse to sign for the mail, they weren't home during delivered, etc, etc.
On election day you wait for those who have their registered mail returned to cast a ballot at their polling place. The agent then formally contests the ballot which is legal.
--
Attached is the excel document with the returned mail from Douglas County.
Chris Jaarda
--
From 'Douglas County Voter Fraud Master Spreadsheet.xls' properties
'It is possible that some folks were testing their antivirus/patch status when they clicked?'
On the other hand it is possible that 100% of Windows users are morons as against 2% for the rest. No one in his right mind would click on a malicious link to test their antivirus/patch status.
As a test, in your work place, set up a power socket with a sign over it that says 'Testing the ELCB system, please insert fingers in socket'. Lets see how many you get.
'The author was surprised that Ubuntu didn't clobber her Win2K partition'
'Maybe she should realize that there's only ONE COMPANY out there that assumes it owns your whole PC....'
Fire up Computer management on a dual boot W2K/Linux box, create a fat partition on a new harddrive (Z:) and it trashes the MBR, try and run an update and it sometimes does the same thing. It's not as if alien OSs have any right to be on a Windows computer:)
As long as Mark Shuttleworth doesn't go and do anything foolish like signing cross-licensing patent deals then a big No, but I can guarantee the MS/Novell/Dell deal will be bad for at least two of those organizations. I leave it to you to figure out who exactly:)
Try getting someone who has never installed Windows before to attempt to to install both systems. Get two people to attempt a usability test. eg: Browsing, emailing, word processing, media playing, cd burning etc. After all how many clueless newbie's actually install their own Operating System.
Generally when someone goes about telling *you* what your problems and intentions are, he is in some scence engaged in what the Freudians call a sever case of projection. So lets take a look at some of Hilfs utterances.
'If someone says Linux is about Love, Peace and Harmony, I would tell them to do their research. There is no free software movement any more'
Just who exactly in Open Source are you referring to to here. Who is this 'someone' who says this. All you are doing here is invoking the strawman. The last resort of the Usenet troll. Shame on you Mr. Hilf. An insulting and total distorting of the situation. Linux/Open Source is about collaboration and not being controlled by any one company.
That you have to invoke some distorted hippy fud here tell us more about you than Open Source or the people involved in it. As someone who has personally met some of the leading developers in Open Source I can categorically state that I never once seen anyone wearing Jesus sandles or beads. Maybe you are confusing us with some of billgs retreats.
"People ask me, why are you doing this? Why did you do the Novell deal? Why aren't you doing Office on Linux? The summary is quite simple. Growth of the ecosystem equals growth of the [Windows] platform"
Here's a question, why are you using the Novell deal to extort money out of the Open Source community. The real reason you don't do Office on Linux is that your whole monopoly would collapse. Ain't that so.
"When I talk to open source developers, at least half are talking about Windows, from SugarCRM, MySQL, PHP. Every single one"
Keep desperatly talking about Open Source on Windows. What developers and can we have their names? Which half of every single one is 'talking about Windows'. And Bill, you being highely 'technical' what is the point of running LAMP on Windows?
'there's this complex balance between innovation and standardisation. I think the EU has been learning'
Here we have a presumably fine one time Open Source advocate reduced to shilling for the Microsoft organization. In short nothing but an intellectual prostitute. The EU issue is about MS polluting the protocols in order to shut out Open Source. As one of your researchers once put it by extending these protocols you can deny OSS projects entry into the market.
'People do not want ODF (Open Document Format), but they want a way to control the information they create'
Yet again we have MS chief FUD architect telling us what we want. What people don't want ODF and can we have their names? If MS was really innovati~1 why do you need to control the formats and protocols and threaten people with litigation if they don't use your product~1.
"Standards is the first thing you go to in the competitive strategy playbook"
I've noticed a curious thing in other utterances out of Redmond. Whilst accusing others of doing something nefarious they are in actuality projecting their own twisted strategies and prejudices onto the other fella. I suppose only in the distorted and rarefied athmosphere of the Linux Lab could you come up with twisting standards as a legitimate strategy to compete. Meaning making our stuff not work with the other fellas.
Now considering what MS is actually doing rather than saying what do you suppose MS real strategy is in relation to 'standards'?
In this case MS is indeed going about subverting standards to leverage its own proprietary product. So the above sentence should be rewritten as 'subverting standards is the first thing you go to in the competitive strategy playbook'.
'Today, Microsoft seems to be nibbling away at the same market as Flash through Vista's Windows Presentation Format-Extended (WPF-E). Hilf said that was defnitely not anti-competitive and it was simply compet
'a farmer would pay something, usually in goods to the temple administrator, go to a room, screw one of the priestesses and pray to some god for a good harvest'
No, the farmer would bring his wife and let temple administrator screw her.
'having this information sent directly to authorities will result in more prosecutions.. under laws similar to CAN-SPAM'
CAN-SPAM doesn't ban SPAM, what it does do is legitimise the sending of unsolicited commercial e-mail and specifically forbids e-mail recipients from suing the spammers. It's one of those Acts that do the exact opposite of what the name means. As such it should really be called the ENABLE-SPAM Act of 2003.
'talk of these subjects on the internet when they are completely off topic is flamebait and trolling, pure and simple'
`There are only two industries who use the term users computers and drugs' Darl McBride
`I have a hard time seeing the Zealots as any different from terrorists' Rob Enderle
`I strongly believe that if September 11th showed us anything, it was that zealots of any movement represent a huge risk to that movement because they do not consider the repercussions of their actions' Rob Enderle
`I wrote that I was having trouble differentiating between terrorists and `the glowing example of humanity I call the Linux Zealot' Rob Enderle
`The Linux folks can certainly argue, sometimes viciously, for their platform..' Rob Enderle
`Assuming someone doesn't put a bomb under my car I'll be back with another column in a few weeks' Rob Enderle
`Within the open source community, there are a large percentage of tinkers and ankle biters.. these people are like virtual suicide car bombers' Laura DiDio
There's a chap who used to maintain Supercomputers at a top Uni who is now doing Bus Conductor out of some London station. Not much reward for a lifetime hacking at the coalface.
You see IT isn't considered a real job by the suits else you would have got promoted into management by now. The same with trying to change fields, they don't consider the skills required to maintain an IT dept as applicable to the real world. You see, if they don't understand it, it must be easy.
Now you'll have to excuse while I go upstairs and my manager reads me out loud, an interesting article out of PC world.
Never mind kids, don't let the #2 PHB in the same room as the server. Despite there being up to one hundred power sockets in the room, he will pick the one providing power to the server to plug his laptop in. E.G. There are ninety free power sockets in the room, there are ten with somethting plugged in, which one shall I choose, DOH...
'If you read the report "that carefully" you would have noted that it says that open source usually *excels* regarding *technical* standards like, humm... RFC2822, SQL, IPv4 and the like, while it isn't so strong on industry procedure standards like, humm... ISO900x'
Was this HMO medical system ISO900x compliant. Doesn't seem to have made a difference to the quality of the product. What indemnification did the patents who died receive, because of receiving the wrong medication.
If a computing system conforms to an RFC then it is by default standard. All other such phraseology is trying to do is confuse the concept in the minds of the CEOs reading such reports. Could have been dictated straight from billg himself.. eg. 'its not about Open Source but open standards' and 'open standards aren't about technical specifications but industry procedure'.
And to further confuse the issue, open standards don't mean compliant to a technical specification but some bureaucratic compliance specification. Which usually amounts to filling out a bunch of forms and paying over a big fee. In my opinion the whole IP litigation and compliance issue is designed purely to drive up the cost of software. After all once you've factored in the compliance fees and bogus TCO studies, it sounds as if it costs almost as much as the proprietary stuff. What's curious is that the 'Open Source Think Tank' is spouting similar stuff to the MS fast FUD site.
--
ME: hey PHB I just completed this beautiful piece of software, wanna see what is can do?
PHB: Sorry, no can do, first we have to run it by the lawyers to make sure it's ISO9000 compliant.
What the f**k is Microsoft doing on an Open Source conference. Oh, I forgot, Novell gave them a complimentary pass in exchange for some paper.
[indemnification FUD ]
'While customers.. negotiate license terms (such as indemnification).. adequate internal compliance policies and procedures to manage risks.. GPL'
One of the 'sponsers' of this report having spent years and a whole heap of money on promoting IP and patent FUD now gets to contribute to a report on the indemnification dangers of the GPL, how f*****g ironic.
[ Lack of support FUD ]
'The lack of commercially available support for some open source solutions continues to be a big barrier to adoption'
[ not compatible FUD]
''Another significant barrier to adoption by customers is integration and interoperability'
[ Open source standards not standard FUD ]
''Open source lacks compliance with many standards when compared with proprietary solutions'
[ Open source is only ever used to bargan down proprietary vendors ]
'canny CIOs are using open source's reduced acquisition costs as leverage in negotiations with proprietary vendors'
[ Open Source vendors lack the personal touch FUD ] ( a new one on me ? )
''The CIOs agreed that some level of personal touch by commercial open source vendors is needed'
[ Open Source has no known positive attributes ] ( another new one on me ? )
'The fact that a product is open source is not viewed as positive or negative'
Conclusion: If Open Source has no added value as compared to proprietary code then we might as well stick with the lawyer proofed fully supported touchie feely version..
In related news, the Pope said today,in an address from the Vatican, that Devil worship is not viewed as positive or negative but Religions must focus on solutions that deliver believers needs.
Money well 'sponcered' on this 'report' methtinks..:)
'Sam described how its Interoperability Executive Council, which includes 30 top CIOs demanded interoperability between Windows and Linux'
Then instead of a closed two company deal, why not open up the protocols to everyone, unemcumbered by patent and rand restrictions.
'Sam defended Microsoft from the accusation that its deal with Novell will lead to Microsoft suing other Linux distributors for patent infringement. Sam described Microsoft's patent portfolio as primarily defensive'
Depends on which end of the portfolio you are staring at, as Kissinger once said when asked to define the difference between an offensive and defensive weapon.
'Sam emphasized that Microsoft has robust patent licensing programs, and would much rather license its patents than sue'
Well, yea fat Tony would also much rather do a deal than have to pay somebody to break somebodys legs.
'From Novell's perspective, its motivation for the deal was primarily the need to differentiate itself in a meaningful way to gain share versus Red Hat. As number two in the market, Novell recognized that it simply could not gain significant share without a "game-changing" event''
It sure is a "game-changing" event but not in the way you imagined. A big part of the reason people choose Open Source is to not be locked into any one vendor. These utterances seem to imply that NovoSOFT Linux is somehow more legitimate than others, Red hats for instance. Imply being too kind a word, more like insinuate.
'The cross-licensing agreement.. was necessary as Novell required sanctioned access to Microsoft's code in order to develop open source interoperability without violating MSFT's IP'
Is there a lawyer in the house for I do not follow the logic. MS gives you access to the source code in order to promote interoperability. A reasonable request would be for your developers to sign a NDA. How by any logic do you have to sign away your companys IP rights to MS in order to view source code. Does the agreement mean that if I use a non-MS licensed version of SuSE that I , by default, acknowledge MSs IP claims against Linux.
'Novell consulted numerous open source leaders before signing the deal, including leaders of Mono, Gnome, Samba, and Linux. He said that these leaders had significant opportunity to provide useful and meaningful feedback on the deal to Novell and few chose to do so''
We heard not a whisper of this deal until the deal was signed. And we here on slashdot make it our business to know what's happening in techland. What were the names of these Open Source leaders, what did you tell them, who did respond, what was their response and who exactly didn't respond ?????
'If you've worked anywhere near education, you'd know you need to be a lawyer to be a software engineer when working with them. The man is right in many, many ways
How about just writing code and releasing it under the GPL and leaving the shystering to the lawyers.
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"
- Dick the Butcher, Henry VI, part 2, Act IV, Scene II.
We need to move on from the current DNS system which basically maps character strings to IP addresses. There still is no validity to the Domain name or the IP address. For instance if I was going to hack a bank or do a stock fraud, I would buy an ISP and run it legitimately for a long time. Then on the day pollute the DNS record and redirect them to my fake phishing site. Where they would give me their bank statements or act on fake stock info.
The new DNS system would consist of the name + contact details + IP + a digital signature + a public key stored on a root DNS servers. When my computer sees a URL, www.bankofAmerica.com, it contacts the root server and downloads the sig, it also requests the same info from bankofAmerica.com. BOI, using local copys of the same info sends an encrypted msg using its private key. The client compares the two and if they match then bankofAmerica.com is legitimate and so is its IP address.
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'these machines would have to be a little bit more robust than linux is capable of being at the moment'
What stability issue, and do you have an citations for major data loss because of the stability issue. Is IBM fibbing when it refers to its legendary stability.
'One of Linux's claims to fame is its legendary stability'
'Manufacturer moves to Linux for stability'
'As the manufacturer had already used Linux, it was aware of its great stability. SAP, combined with IBM and Linux offered the best deal in terms of price and performance
'Linux systems excel in many areas, ranging from end-user concerns such as stability, speed, and ease of use, to serious concerns such as development and networking'
hmm (in a story about the NYSE moving to Linux inject a little stability FUD)
General "Buck" Turgidson: Mr. President, we must not allow a Cyber-War gap!
Seriously though, the US should have allowed the commie bastards join NATO when they wanted, instead of creating the ideal conditions for starting WW3.
No, if I said the clicks were from space aliens than I would at least produce one alien.
'two blokes jailed for leaking a memo where Bush tells Blair that he wants to bomb the Al-Jazeera'
This is ironic considering that Blair is not above leaking when trying to distract from some unpleasantness, sometimes even against his against his own people. Or when some bad news has to be got out it's best to do it over the weekend or in the middle of a terrorist alert. His current elder statesman act is equally ironic considering that it was Mo Molan who delivered the Northern Ireland peace and was then forced out of office by creative leaks organized out of No. 10 questioning her mental facilities.
'The leaks occurred a day after the arrest of Lord Levy and a day before No 10 admitted that Tony Blair had been interviewed by police for a second time in the cash for honours affair' Re:Hmmm
'most of the MSM have strong enough doubts as to the credibility of the evidence'
Who do we believe, are you kidding. Why did they go to the trouble of hosting them on gwb43.com. How exactly do you go about losing emails given that any competent ISP gathers multiple backups as part of its maintenence procedures. What about the copies held on the multiple email servers they passed through. What about copies on the local harddrives?.
GWB43 owned by the RNC. Domain servers A.NS.TRESPASSERS-W.NET belongs to Coptix of Chattanooga, Tennessee, NS1.CHA.SMARTECHCORP.NET also located in Chattanooga, Tennessee, Smartech merged NextLec owned by Mercer Reynolds, President Bushes' fundraiser.
Basically you don't want a certain block of people to be able to vote (be it, republicans, democrats but, historically black democrats in tight elections). You send registered mail to every person on the registered voting list that meets your criteria.
Some mail will be failed to be delivered because the person doesn't live there anymore, they refuse to sign for the mail, they weren't home during delivered, etc, etc.
On election day you wait for those who have their registered mail returned to cast a ballot at their polling place. The agent then formally contests the ballot which is legal.
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Attached is the excel document with the returned mail from Douglas County.
Chris Jaarda
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From 'Douglas County Voter Fraud Master Spreadsheet.xls' properties
Network & Online Services
Republican National Committee
'It is possible that some folks were testing their antivirus/patch status when they clicked?'
On the other hand it is possible that 100% of Windows users are morons as against 2% for the rest. No one in his right mind would click on a malicious link to test their antivirus/patch status.
As a test, in your work place, set up a power socket with a sign over it that says 'Testing the ELCB system, please insert fingers in socket'. Lets see how many you get.
Re:This is only a test....
'I think it might very well be possible that many of those clicks are made from computers that are not owned by the user'
Without any evidence to the contrary your argument is entirely specious. How do we know they weren't space aliens.
was Re:Malicious intent (Score:5, excuses~1)
'The author was surprised that Ubuntu didn't clobber her Win2K partition'
:)
'Maybe she should realize that there's only ONE COMPANY out there that assumes it owns your whole PC....'
Fire up Computer management on a dual boot W2K/Linux box, create a fat partition on a new harddrive (Z:) and it trashes the MBR, try and run an update and it sometimes does the same thing. It's not as if alien OSs have any right to be on a Windows computer
Re:Doesn't Clobber Win2k
Will Dell Be Bad For Ubuntu?
:)
As long as Mark Shuttleworth doesn't go and do anything foolish like signing cross-licensing patent deals then a big No, but I can guarantee the MS/Novell/Dell deal will be bad for at least two of those organizations. I leave it to you to figure out who exactly
Try getting someone who has never installed Windows before to attempt to to install both systems.
Get two people to attempt a usability test. eg: Browsing, emailing, word processing, media playing, cd burning etc. After all how many clueless newbie's actually install their own Operating System.
Is this one of the patent breeches. It sure sounds a lot like SUDO to me bit then again I've never been to lawyer school.
.. a method comprising:
.. executing an administrative security process under the
administrative privilege level;
'Sudo was first conceived and implemented by Bob Coggeshall and Cliff Spencer around 1980 at the Department of Computer Science at SUNY/Buffalo'
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United States Patent 6,775,781 Aug 2004
Administrative security systems and methods
We claim:
Have they posted the specific patent numbers with their allegation and would there be any prior art involved.
Generally when someone goes about telling *you* what your problems and intentions are, he is in some scence engaged in what the Freudians call a sever case of projection. So lets take a look at some of Hilfs utterances.
'If someone says Linux is about Love, Peace and Harmony, I would tell them to do their research. There is no free software movement any more'
Just who exactly in Open Source are you referring to to here. Who is this 'someone' who says this. All you are doing here is invoking the strawman. The last resort of the Usenet troll. Shame on you Mr. Hilf. An insulting and total distorting of the situation. Linux/Open Source is about collaboration and not being controlled by any one company.
That you have to invoke some distorted hippy fud here tell us more about you than Open Source or the people involved in it. As someone who has personally met some of the leading developers in Open Source I can categorically state that I never once seen anyone wearing Jesus sandles or beads. Maybe you are confusing us with some of billgs retreats.
"People ask me, why are you doing this? Why did you do the Novell deal? Why aren't you doing Office on Linux? The summary is quite simple. Growth of the ecosystem equals growth of the [Windows] platform"
Here's a question, why are you using the Novell deal to extort money out of the Open Source community. The real reason you don't do Office on Linux is that your whole monopoly would collapse. Ain't that so.
"When I talk to open source developers, at least half are talking about Windows, from SugarCRM, MySQL, PHP. Every single one"
Keep desperatly talking about Open Source on Windows. What developers and can we have their names? Which half of every single one is 'talking about Windows'. And Bill, you being highely 'technical' what is the point of running LAMP on Windows?
'there's this complex balance between innovation and standardisation. I think the EU has been learning'
Here we have a presumably fine one time Open Source advocate reduced to shilling for the Microsoft organization. In short nothing but an intellectual prostitute. The EU issue is about MS polluting the protocols in order to shut out Open Source. As one of your researchers once put it by extending these protocols you can deny OSS projects entry into the market.
'People do not want ODF (Open Document Format), but they want a way to control the information they create'
Yet again we have MS chief FUD architect telling us what we want. What people don't want ODF and can we have their names? If MS was really innovati~1 why do you need to control the formats and protocols and threaten people with litigation if they don't use your product~1.
"Standards is the first thing you go to in the competitive strategy playbook"
I've noticed a curious thing in other utterances out of Redmond. Whilst accusing others of doing something nefarious they are in actuality projecting their own twisted strategies and prejudices onto the other fella. I suppose only in the distorted and rarefied athmosphere of the Linux Lab could you come up with twisting standards as a legitimate strategy to compete. Meaning making our stuff not work with the other fellas.
Now considering what MS is actually doing rather than saying what do you suppose MS real strategy is in relation to 'standards'? In this case MS is indeed going about subverting standards to leverage its own proprietary product. So the above sentence should be rewritten as 'subverting standards is the first thing you go to in the competitive strategy playbook'.
'Today, Microsoft seems to be nibbling away at the same market as Flash through Vista's Windows Presentation Format-Extended (WPF-E). Hilf said that was defnitely not anti-competitive and it was simply compet
'a farmer would pay something, usually in goods to the temple administrator, go to a room, screw one of the priestesses and pray to some god for a good harvest'
No, the farmer would bring his wife and let temple administrator screw her.
Re:Old Greek religions with a sci-fi twist
'having this information sent directly to authorities will result in more prosecutions .. under laws similar to CAN-SPAM'
CAN-SPAM doesn't ban SPAM, what it does do is legitimise the sending of unsolicited commercial e-mail and specifically forbids e-mail recipients from suing the spammers. It's one of those Acts that do the exact opposite of what the name means. As such it should really be called the ENABLE-SPAM Act of 2003.
was Re:Better as a Private Service?
'talk of these subjects on the internet when they are completely off topic is flamebait and trolling, pure and simple'
..' Rob Enderle
.. these people are like virtual suicide car bombers ' Laura DiDio
`There are only two industries who use the term users computers and drugs' Darl McBride
`I have a hard time seeing the Zealots as any different from terrorists ' Rob Enderle
`I strongly believe that if September 11th showed us anything, it was that zealots of any movement represent a huge risk to that movement because they do not consider the repercussions of their actions' Rob Enderle
`I wrote that I was having trouble differentiating between terrorists and `the glowing example of humanity I call the Linux Zealot ' Rob Enderle
`The Linux folks can certainly argue, sometimes viciously, for their platform
`Assuming someone doesn't put a bomb under my car I'll be back with another column in a few weeks' Rob Enderle
`Within the open source community, there are a large percentage of tinkers and ankle biters
was Re:There goes my karma (flush)
There's a chap who used to maintain Supercomputers at a top Uni who is now doing Bus Conductor out of some London station. Not much reward for a lifetime hacking at the coalface.
You see IT isn't considered a real job by the suits else you would have got promoted into management by now. The same with trying to change fields, they don't consider the skills required to maintain an IT dept as applicable to the real world. You see, if they don't understand it, it must be easy.
Now you'll have to excuse while I go upstairs and my manager reads me out loud, an interesting article out of PC world.
Don't plug a vacuum cleaner into the UPS, it tends to make the computer not work ..
Never mind kids, don't let the #2 PHB in the same room as the server. Despite there being up to one hundred power sockets in the room, he will pick the one providing power to the server to plug his laptop in. E.G. There are ninety free power sockets in the room, there are ten with somethting plugged in, which one shall I choose, DOH ...
'If you read the report "that carefully" you would have noted that it says that open source usually *excels* regarding *technical* standards like, humm... RFC2822, SQL, IPv4 and the like, while it isn't so strong on industry procedure standards like, humm... ISO900x'
.. eg. 'its not about Open Source but open standards' and 'open standards aren't about technical specifications but industry procedure'.
Was this HMO medical system ISO900x compliant. Doesn't seem to have made a difference to the quality of the product. What indemnification did the patents who died receive, because of receiving the wrong medication.
If a computing system conforms to an RFC then it is by default standard. All other such phraseology is trying to do is confuse the concept in the minds of the CEOs reading such reports. Could have been dictated straight from billg himself
And to further confuse the issue, open standards don't mean compliant to a technical specification but some bureaucratic compliance specification. Which usually amounts to filling out a bunch of forms and paying over a big fee. In my opinion the whole IP litigation and compliance issue is designed purely to drive up the cost of software. After all once you've factored in the compliance fees and bogus TCO studies, it sounds as if it costs almost as much as the proprietary stuff. What's curious is that the 'Open Source Think Tank' is spouting similar stuff to the MS fast FUD site.
--
ME: hey PHB I just completed this beautiful piece of software, wanna see what is can do?
PHB: Sorry, no can do, first we have to run it by the lawyers to make sure it's ISO9000 compliant.
was Re:Open source lacks standards compliance?
Platinum sponsors: Microsoft, Novell
.. negotiate license terms (such as indemnification) .. adequate internal compliance policies and procedures to manage risks .. GPL'
..
,in an address from the Vatican, that Devil worship is not viewed as positive or negative but Religions must focus on solutions that deliver believers needs.
.. :)
. pdf
What the f**k is Microsoft doing on an Open Source conference. Oh, I forgot, Novell gave them a complimentary pass in exchange for some paper.
[ indemnification FUD ]
'While customers
One of the 'sponsers' of this report having spent years and a whole heap of money on promoting IP and patent FUD now gets to contribute to a report on the indemnification dangers of the GPL, how f*****g ironic.
[ Lack of support FUD ]
'The lack of commercially available support for some open source solutions continues to be a big barrier to adoption'
[ not compatible FUD]
''Another significant barrier to adoption by customers is integration and interoperability'
[ Open source standards not standard FUD ]
''Open source lacks compliance with many standards when compared with proprietary solutions'
[ Open source is only ever used to bargan down proprietary vendors ]
'canny CIOs are using open source's reduced acquisition costs as leverage in negotiations with proprietary vendors'
[ Open Source vendors lack the personal touch FUD ] ( a new one on me ? )
''The CIOs agreed that some level of personal touch by commercial open source vendors is needed'
[ Open Source has no known positive attributes ] ( another new one on me ? )
'The fact that a product is open source is not viewed as positive or negative'
Conclusion: If Open Source has no added value as compared to proprietary code then we might as well stick with the lawyer proofed fully supported touchie feely version
In related news, the Pope said today
Money well 'sponcered' on this 'report' methtinks
http://thinktank.olliancegroup.com/ostt2007report
'Sam described how its Interoperability Executive Council, which includes 30 top CIOs demanded interoperability between Windows and Linux'
.. was necessary as Novell required sanctioned access to Microsoft's code in order to develop open source interoperability without violating MSFT's IP'
Then instead of a closed two company deal, why not open up the protocols to everyone, unemcumbered by patent and rand restrictions.
'Sam defended Microsoft from the accusation that its deal with Novell will lead to Microsoft suing other Linux distributors for patent infringement. Sam described Microsoft's patent portfolio as primarily defensive'
Depends on which end of the portfolio you are staring at, as Kissinger once said when asked to define the difference between an offensive and defensive weapon.
'Sam emphasized that Microsoft has robust patent licensing programs, and would much rather license its patents than sue'
Well, yea fat Tony would also much rather do a deal than have to pay somebody to break somebodys legs.
'From Novell's perspective, its motivation for the deal was primarily the need to differentiate itself in a meaningful way to gain share versus Red Hat. As number two in the market, Novell recognized that it simply could not gain significant share without a "game-changing" event''
It sure is a "game-changing" event but not in the way you imagined. A big part of the reason people choose Open Source is to not be locked into any one vendor. These utterances seem to imply that NovoSOFT Linux is somehow more legitimate than others, Red hats for instance. Imply being too kind a word, more like insinuate.
'The cross-licensing agreement
Is there a lawyer in the house for I do not follow the logic. MS gives you access to the source code in order to promote interoperability. A reasonable request would be for your developers to sign a NDA. How by any logic do you have to sign away your companys IP rights to MS in order to view source code. Does the agreement mean that if I use a non-MS licensed version of SuSE that I , by default, acknowledge MSs IP claims against Linux.
'Novell consulted numerous open source leaders before signing the deal, including leaders of Mono, Gnome, Samba, and Linux. He said that these leaders had significant opportunity to provide useful and meaningful feedback on the deal to Novell and few chose to do so''
We heard not a whisper of this deal until the deal was signed. And we here on slashdot make it our business to know what's happening in techland. What were the names of these Open Source leaders, what did you tell them, who did respond, what was their response and who exactly didn't respond ?????
'If you've worked anywhere near education, you'd know you need to be a lawyer to be a software engineer when working with them. The man is right in many, many ways
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How about just writing code and releasing it under the GPL and leaving the shystering to the lawyers.
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"
- Dick the Butcher, Henry VI, part 2, Act IV, Scene II.
was Re:Fast.FUD
We need to move on from the current DNS system which basically maps character strings to IP addresses. There still is no validity to the Domain name or the IP address. For instance if I was going to hack a bank or do a stock fraud, I would buy an ISP and run it legitimately for a long time. Then on the day pollute the DNS record and redirect them to my fake phishing site. Where they would give me their bank statements or act on fake stock info.
The new DNS system would consist of the name + contact details + IP + a digital signature + a public key stored on a root DNS servers. When my computer sees a URL, www.bankofAmerica.com, it contacts the root server and downloads the sig, it also requests the same info from bankofAmerica.com. BOI, using local copys of the same info sends an encrypted msg using its private key. The client compares the two and if they match then bankofAmerica.com is legitimate and so is its IP address.