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Gates and Jobs to Share A Stage
Rob wrote with a link to a Computer Business Review online article, which reports that Microsoft chairman Bill Gates and Apple chief Steve Jobs will make a joint
appearance at a future technologies conference in Carlsbad, California. The event is expected to last a little more than an hour, and the two computer industry magnates are expected to reflect on their pasts - while theorizing on the future. "[WSJ Tech columnist] Walt Mossberg, a co-producer of the conference who will interview the execs on-stage along with colleague Kara Swisher, said they simply invited Gates and Jobs to do the interview ... [Mossberg] declined to give any color about the questions he and Swisher are preparing, or any additional information. Most likely, Gates and Jobs will use the occasion to do some friendly sparring on their polar-opposite philosophies on personal computing. Jobs may bang on about the benefits of a software-hardware approach, while Gates may rattle off the joys of partnering with hardware partners."
I have this vision of the future Heroes episode where Peter and Syler have a showdown. Glowing hands and all.
Does anybody else think this would be the perfect time to bring back those American Gladiators challenges??
Picture Jobs and Gates onstage in full padding, trying to knock each other off with those giant rubber q-tips!
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"Jobs -- while Gates drinks a glass of water -- may bang on about the benefits of a software-hardware approach."
"All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
Well, if Bill doesn't use notecards then he won't be the worst person to ever share the stage with Steve.
I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
Best. Episode. Ever.
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Hope they don't talk about computers
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Seems like a scheme to reiterate the idea that people can only choose between Mac and Windows. They are completely ignoring another big player.
Under the influence of Post-Cyberpunk Gonzo Journalism
powerful good and evil, maybe powerful neutral and evil (you pick which is which).
Wonder if anyone is taking bets on the victor?
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My kingdom for a mod point! Bwahahaha!!
Bill and Steve have always been good friends, i saw them at a party i was at last week and they where getting along great
see the video for proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwy4R8DfOT4
When they get on stage, the lights will drop, strobes start going off, and as chain link fences lower from the ceiling, the techno music starts and the announcer screams, TECHNOLOGY CAGE MATCH!!!!!!!
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Dear Mr Jobs,
Please could you ask Bill to bring along 235 software patents or shut up.
Sincerely, everybody.
Jobs will step into a wooden box leaving his head and feet out. Gates will use a chainsaw to cut the box in half. there will be a fatal error.
Actually, my vision was of Stewie and Olivia fighting over who was on-key in that Family Guy episode. ^_^
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It would be funny if they kissed like one of those wacky MTV movie awards shows.
Though I won't go see it, I look forward to the dance remixes.
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1. a spoof of those pc guy/ mac guy ads with jobs and gates in the appropriate roles. it will never happen, but still
2. an icon for jobs on slashdot. gates has his borg visor one. why not jobs with an ipod?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
...when I first glanced at it, that the article headline said, "Gates and Jobs to Share A Grudge?"
Those who can, do. Those who can't, write technology blogs.
That Jobs enter the stage with a cream pie in his hands?
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Yep, no
Gates: We want you to be locked in to proprietary Microsoft products
Jobs: We want you to be locked in to proprietary Apple products
Would that be east-west poles, 'cause they seem pretty close together...
My turnips listen for the soft cry of your love
2 CEOs enter...
One CEO leaves.
Given that I run neither MSFT nor apple products [aside from an ipod which has never seen itunes that was bought for me as a gift] I don't care what "vision" these two can come up with. The fact that they're talking like this at all suggests they're scared about "the other choice." Let's not forget it wasn't long ago that MSFT basically ripped off apple [who rippled off PARC] and they all got mad up in each others face about it.
Tom
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Walt Mossberg: Bill Gates, what about a shared interview with Steve Jobs?
Billg: Sharing a stage with Steve Jobs? That's the dumbest fucking idea I've heard since I've been at Microsoft.
Jobs on the other hand is gives off (regardless of if it is true or not) a degree of approachability and dramatic flair (but, some would argue, at a hinderence of reality and pesky fact).
So I'm not going to be too interested in what they say, but how they say, and most interestingly of all how they play it against each other. Although I can't shake the feeling that they will be slapping each other on the back....
I envision it starting like this:
...and I'm a PC
Jobs: I'm a Mac
Gates:
This would be an awesome conference to attend! I'd love to get the heads up on the future of technology. Curious? Check out Christopher Ruddy
Wow.
I hope Jobs introduces himself as Mac and Gates introduces himself as PC.
"Hi, I'm Mac.. and I'm PC"
That would be great!
Jared Farnum
Perhaps a lot of the problem is that Linus doesn't have as much authority over Linux as Gates and Jobs do over their companies' platforms. Linus may play gatekeeper with the official Linux kernel, but he hardly has any power at places like Red Hat, Novell or IBM where many important decisions about getting Linux out there are made. It would make about as much sense to have Miguel De Icaza join in because of his standing with GNOME development.
Three-way cage fight!
Of those three, Stallman is the only one that cares about anyone but himself.
Because I'm more interested as to who will be on the B stage.
(not so obvious?)
-Doug
Jobs: Hi, I'm a Mac. Gates: And I'm a PC.
...imagine what they would talk about already!
steve-jobs-versus-bill
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steve and bill
steve and bill
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Either way, it's gonna be entertaining!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Real wrath-of-God type stuff
Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.
Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave.
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.
Have a nice day!
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
from a UK comedy show on the BBC
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=harry
(warning some links may not be work safe!)
I'm sure Apple technicians breathed a sigh of relief when they found it was going to be Gates instead of Ballmer. An anti-pie personal forcefield is much easier to build than an anti-chair personal forcefield. :P
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Linux is not important, IBM is the big player moving Linux now. But is there a famous face to associate with this golem? I don't know the name of their CEO, I don't know how he looks, and I'm not even sure he knows what they are doing on the Linux front. Some third-level R&D boss, maybe?
anymore. The macbook was updated after 6 months without a product refresh(I don't consider adding an 8 core option to an otherwised unchanged mac pro a refresh, you could do that aftermarket before anyhow). And the previously updated model was the macbook as well. The mac mini is a joke, hasn't seen a real update in over a year, and there are rumors of its demise. The iMac, macbook pros, and mac pros are no longer price competitive with other manufacturers like they were when they first came out. I don't mind paying a little bit more, but this is just stupid. It just seems to me that Apple no longer cares about computers, they want to peddle ipods, overpriced phones, and crappy media center pc replacements. If Apple doesn't majorly ramp up its lines by WWDC, my powerbook G4 will be the last mac I own. I don't want to sit around and wait until Steve Jobs considers computers are important enought to start making good ones again.
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Bringing matter and antimatter so close together? What if they annihilate each other in a giant explosion?
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
I'm surprised nobody's excited about the part where Bill Gates walks towards a table of Apple gear and Steve Jobs stops him, yelling, "You shall not pass!"
Of those three, Stallman is the only one that cares about anyone but himself.
Every time rms opens his mouth, he hurts the Free/Open Source Software (I don't care if he doesn't like the term) movement.
Mark Shuttleworth, please.
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
As someone that has done some DIY once-upon-a-time:
./'ers.
1. this would be considered a "win" for both companies. IMHO the Wall Street Journal and a mention by Walt Mossberg is the pinnacle of PR success. Literally, it doesn't get much higher than that in the U.S. anyway.
2. This is a perfect example of the power of the media. Bitter rivals? Not if Walt Mossberg asks you to come to his event.
3. Walt's not going to do anything to ruffle any feathers. Considering the audience, this will most likely be a snoozer for most
4. Linus _should_ be in Walt's media contacts list. Does Linus pay an _insane_ amount of money to PR hacks who bribe their way into Walt's assistant's office? That's kind of a pre-requisite.
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But is there a famous face to associate with this golem? I don't know the name of their CEO, I don't know how he looks, and I'm not even sure he knows what they are doing on the Linux front. Some third-level R&D boss, maybe?
Neither Sun nor IBM are really important for the desktop. But an earlier post is right: Bring in Mark Shuttleworth.
Wow.
I hope Jobs introduces himself as Mac and Gates introduces himself as PC.
"Hi, I'm Mac.. and I'm PC"
That would be great!
Jared F
Ok totally off topic but; Amen.. xD
The Gate-as-Borg icon is typical
This would be more interesting as the two Steve's, Ballmer and Wozniak. More chair throwing involved, sweating , big bushy beards and lots of phone hacking.
Or the two Larry's, Ellison and Page. I can't imagine what would happen, but Larry Ellison always reminds me of the pencil neck EPA character from Ghostbusters, which could be funny for the first five minutes...
Task Mangler
Can you picture the side show event for this? Ballmer is off to one side, throwing chairs...
:)
How much is a ticket for this event again?
...you would think that Gates and Jobs would be best buddies....
After all, who else besides them have duped and lied more than them? (outside of politics, of course)
The difference between Gates and Jobs is only this: Gates TELLS you he is fucking you in the ass, whereas Jobs just hopes you won't notice.
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Two CEOs enter...
Three CEOs leave!
You know, there is a difference between trolling and pointing out the flaws in your reasoning. Just saying.
Almost 25 years ago I was working as a programmer/analyst at Aetna Life & Casualty in Hartford CT. The company brought in Gates and Jobs for a one day seminar/meet-and-greet to help decide how seriously we should take the personal/desktop computer revolution. AL&C was at the time, of course, heavily into mainframe computing and barely looking at workgroup computing (System/38) let along personal computing.
The two gentlemen were cordial, but not particularly friendly toward each other and clearly had different visions of the future of corporate computing. Now here's the punchline: The big debate between the two was over the viability of COBOL. Jobs passionately prevailed on AL&C to drop the use of COBOL altogether (money quote: "Aetna is just about the only place left in the world that still uses COBOL, everyone else has migrated to C") while Gates was just as passionately (albeit not as charismatically) espousing the virtue of moving COBOL off of mainframes and on to the desktop.
Not a word from either of them about GUI or operating systems. Jobs was all about "new programming paradigms" and Gates was all about "the craft of programming" and how the broad range of Microsoft programming languages on PCs would accomodate that model. Gates was even promoting the idea that each programmer would have a wide range of programming languages at hand, using each one as appropriate for the task at hand like tools on a workbench. Of course, at the time, Microsoft's bread and butter was programming languages.
My, how times have changed!
I believe that was "How to Stop an Exploding Man". Would be nice to see wether Mr. Jobs, or Mr. Gates explodes :D
"Free software" is a matter of liberty, not price.
I hope the amount of stage you get isn't based on PC market share or Jobs might fall off. Probably into an ocean of iPod shaped pillows.
How can that be?
Let me know when Allen and Woz share a stage. THAT I might be interested in seeing.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
Ah yes, way back in 1983. Although they had a phone call after Microsoft put some cash into Apple in 1997. I bet they go to the pub when they're both in the same town too.
that is one internet meme taken way, way, way, too seriously
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Jobs: I'm a Mac Gates: No... you're a PC with a dress on.
Difficult to see why this is surprising. Its a fairly close business relationship. Office for the Mac is a critical element of keeping the platform alive. Apple and Microsoft have similar approaches to the software business - they both believe in controlling the experience - the display manager, window manager, desktop environment. There are no published APIs which will let another party make a competing window manager for either OSX or XP/Vista. Both also believe in restricting the availability of the applications software to promote their OS. But both have been tempted outside this, though not as far as Linux. Neither one makes applications software for Linux. Both do for the others OS. Apple for instance has released Filemaker for Windows.
Despite the feeling that many Mac people have that Micsrosoft must be the enemy, they are in fact very close. The analogy might be if Coke and Pepsi were to share procurement of some of their flavorings.
The real threat to both is similar. It is that Open Source makes possible unlimited quantities of derivative works. In the end, this must dethrone both MS and Apple. In the end, they will not be able to compete with a business model which promotes unlimited derivative works. It destroys entry barriers on which they both depend. It is more cost effective, quicker to market and will lead to better quality products.
So, when they are sitting together on stage, I would like to see Walt, instead of asking silly questions about linking hardware and software and end to end models, and similar trivia, cut to the main issue.
He should ask as follows. We know that in essentials you both have the same closed business model. How do you think that business model is going to compete against open source in a world in which hardware is open, and open source allows an unlimited quantity of derivative works to run on it?
Where's Linus and Stallman? Throw them in there for Super Smash CEOs Brawl!
So, like, if Jobs is winning.. when he's busy trying to pin Bill to the canvas, Steve Ballmer can climb through the ropes with a couple of chairs from the front row and hit Steve in the head.
I've thrown charis before and I'll do it again! I'm going to fucking nail that guy!
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Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
Well, what updates do you have in mind? The Macs run the fastest processor available. They run 802.11n, have blue tooth, integrated camera, etc. Maybe they will work on a tablet someday but I suspect that will only happen when they finish the iPhone. Apple always take small but measured steps. Getting multi-touch screens to work is probably a first step in that direction.
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I can hardly imagine this to not end in jobs beating up gates
or at least saying something like "I wont tell anything about my visions about the future, because gates here would steal them AGAIN.............. ISN'T THAT RIGHT, YOU THIEVING BASTARD!?!? COME ON, GET YOUR FISTS UP - YOU'LL GET THE BEATING OF YOUR LIFETIME NOW"... uhm... yes... as I saied - i can hardly imagine it not to end in jobs beating gates up...
The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
Sort of. I can explain why the mods thought it was +5 funny.
YMMV.
"We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
Most likely, Gates and Jobs will use the occasion to do some friendly sparring on their polar-opposite philosophies on personal computing.
Oh please. These guys are far more alike than they are different. They both built their fortunes on the philosophy that proprietary, patented, copyrighted work protected by armies of lawyers makes the world go 'round. In the history of computing, they will both go down as important yet ultimately shortsighted corporatists who's big ideas made a big splash, but then became irrelevant.
no, that was "Dark Future", "How to Stop an Exploding Man" was the final episode.
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Jobs: That's the dumbest fucking idea I've heard since I've been at Apple! .....?
Gates:
Jobs: I'm a Mac
Gates:
Gates: Hello, I'm a Wii
Jobs:
The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim.
Forget Heroes...
If Ze Frank were here he's say this interview is going to be:
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Get a web developer
Pedantically, the episode was entitles "Five Years Gone".
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*forehead* ;)
I knew that. Really.
Dark future was the name of that timeline, not the episode that Hiro and Ando visited it.
I have been out-geeked. *hangs head in shame*
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I was more hoping for a steel cage suspended forty feet above a pool of sharks with lazer beamz!
Time and place, time and place, time and place...
back in the mid 1990's, there was a feature interview in some magazine
(was it Time, or Forbe, or Business Week -- I don't know) -- with
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates -- it had pictures of Jobs barefoot in his house,
and Jobs complaining how everyone had to go through Gate's portal
to do anything in the computer industry (except him, of course).
the interview came out maybe 1993 - 1994 -- just before they
offered online or archived versions of these things. it was a good
and informative interview.
does anyone know where i could find a copy of this lost interview??
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C'mon, man ... it is a few months until Leopard. These systems don't exist in a vacuum. You are looking right now at the very end of the end of the Intel transition. All of the machines pretend to be their immediate PowerPC predecessors in some way to minimize the fuss. The Intel transition is over and Leopard is coming that is going to mean new machines and probably a whole new model of some kind, like a very small notebook or something that fits between Mac mini and Mac Pro.
... none of those shops was going to buy a 4-way and pull the processors and put in some Intel part that has been found to be compatible by somebody "on the Internet."
Also, the Mac Pro update to 8 processors was very significant because it is like Apple putting their multi-processing money where their mouths are. Big developers have these machines now and they are making their apps work better across 8 processors, which we will probably see in the iMac by 2010 or so. And there are going to be a lot of new Mac Pros purchased just to run Photoshop v10 which just came out. Photoshop is so interactive that a faster machine will be noticed immediately in work output
The most interesting Mac hardware rumor for me is that they will have multi-touch screens, like the iPhone. Mac OS X Leopard has the same resolution-independent display from the iPhone, the menu bar or windows can all scale up if you have fat fingers or bad eyesight or both. If you look at Mac OS X Tiger on a 30 inch display, you don't want to push a mouse cursor around that thing, you just want to press icons in the Dock with your finger. You want to push mixer sliders around in Logic, or scrub video in Final Cut just by applying the fingers directly. This is also a feature that DJ's want to replace the turntables in an electronic setup, it is very hip. And it would make Mac users buy new Macs for Leopard and it would take 5 years to come to the PC in a real way. Look at all the stuff that is in iPhone for $500, why can't I get a touch screen on my $1200 iMac? Also it would enable them to make even smaller systems, such as a sub notebook with no track pad.
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...There's more to come!
1 for Gates
2 for Jobs
Stay tuned for the final showdown...
I guess that's pretty much it. If Apple does something, the rest of the industry (and I don't just mean the computer industry) will follow a few months later. If Microsoft does something, 80% of all people will know about it or use it.
And then you hear "weighing in at 300 pounds due to bringing his wallet into the ring... BIIIIIILL GAAAAAAAATES!".
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If you get your angle just right in advance, you might just be able to get them both with one shot. Best to use armor-piercing bullets because both of them tend to be rather dense at times like this.
just to yell FINISH HIM! (and round 1 & 2 fight)
OSS fags...
BTW Linux is a non-player. Every day Microsoft sells more copies of Windows than the highest ever number of Linux installations.
And that's not counting the illegal ones..
The Mac mini still uses the Core Duo and only has 802.11g. No Core 2 Duo, no 802.11n. And it's still too expensive too. When it lauched it was 499/599$US. Not anymore.
AOpen just released their own Santa Rosa "Mac mini-sized" desktop computer. I'm hoping Apple will release a new Santa Rosa Mac mini next tuesday.
Or an iGasm. That would be news.
I thought the title read, "Gates and Jobs to share a cage."
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It's been there for over a year. It just doesn't show on the shell of the mouse.
And the trackball is also a third mouse button.
I can just hear it now ... "Worlds are Colliding!" They are killing independant consumer!
I envision it starting like this:
...and I'm a PC
Jobs: I'm a Mac
Gates:
or
Jobs: I'm a human
Gates: I'm a borg
Hope to God that Gates doesn't wear an assless hospital gown...
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...then Bill will repeat what Steve said and take the credit.
That was by far and large, the best heroes episode so far. The finale sucked balls hard, I was expecting something more Battlestar-3rd-season-finale-ish but got total crap instead.
But on-topic: if Bill brings Ballmer along, Jobs is history.
The Apple attendees will walk in casually in their tie dye shirts and Birkenstocks, sit down and wait for the movie... er event to start with a glaze in their eyes and a half smile on their lips. Their wallets and ID will be safe and no one will get sick. They paid twice as much to attend, but no one will complain.
The Microsoft attendees will each be stopped at the door and asked "You are entering the auditorium. Accept or cancel?" When they go to sit down they'll discover their wallet is gone. Every fifth person will have a cold or some sort of virus so by the time the event is over, all the attendees will leave sick. They'll sit expectantly waiting for something to happen, but each time Bill walks out onto the stage he stumbles, falls and has to restart his entrance. Once he does get going all he'll talk about is how beautiful the backdrop is.
I personally think it would be rather humorous that they each give a presentation created and shown on their respective systems. We know Bill has been embarrassed by crashes a few times. Think he'll use Vista or XP?
It's because geeks here are still stuck in the silly Mac vs. PC holy wars of the past 20 years. The fact that someone can like and use both without any problem, just ruffles too many feathers.
Ballmer will probably be lurking in the shadows, chair at the ready...
If Linux were represented...
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
Darl Gates: It is the year 2023. Microsloth Doors PW has just been released, after 8 years of delays, and without any of the features slated for release in PW, except for additional eye candy, as if the eye candy in prior versions, like Doors Chello, Doors F4, Doors Vista, Doors XP, and prior versions were not enough. It requires at least one Intel Core 16 Millennial processor with 1024 cores minimum, 16TB of RAM, and minimum flashdrive capacity of 64TB to install. Feature highlights include slightly improved performance over a DOS-based 486 SX when performing similar tasks such as word processing. Also of note is the improved security center, which upon detecting a network connection, displays the message, "Microsloth Doors PW has detected a network connection. Please wait while Doors downloads the latest viruses." Heck, why fool ourselves? We may as well admit it.
Steve Jobs: It is the year 2023. Mac OS 11.3 Coyote is available for immediate release. The transition from our Darwin-based OS underpinnings to our Plan 9 based system which we announced six months ago is now complete, making Coyote the world's most advanced operating system once again. Existing UNIX-based applications will continue to run under our improved Rosetta environment, and the original Classic environment is back, making Mac OS 11 the only OS to seamlessly integrate the UNIX, Plan 9, Carbon, Cocoa, Java, BlackTea, and Classic environments. Our implementation of Grokcode is now complete, making Coyote the only OS in the world that can convert single-threaded applications into massively multithreaded code on the fly, taking full advantage of all cores. Some new announcements. Our newest Mac lineup takes advantage of Intel's newest Core Millennial architecture, integrating 4 chips with 4096 cores each, for a total of 16384 cores in our base model MacBooks. This year, iPhone sales have captured 87% of the cellular phone market. We are shooting for 90% by the end of 2025. And this year marks the first year that Macs outsell Windows PCs 2 to 1, capturing 68% of the market, up from 62% last year.
I don't want to sit around and wait until Steve Jobs considers computers are important enought to start making good ones again.
If OS and apps aren't more important to you than hardware, you're buying the wrong computers. Head over to Alienware (err... Gateway)... no, build yourself a killer machine from parts from Newegg. It'll be marginally faster and cheaper than the Apple. Except for the MacPro which uses a CPU you can't buy on the open market yet.
OK, I'll stop being sardonic and really wonder what you compare to Apple as a company that considers good computers important. I have an Apple Laptop and it has a better featureset than any of the others I looked at. It runs all OS's I care about really well.
My God, it's Full of Source!
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All my life (well, since I own computer displays, that is), I'm ready to bite off people's fingers if they touch the display. Fingers leave grease marks.
I just can't imagine myself interfacing with my machine by smudging grease on the display.
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True. The Mac Mini hasn't been updated in a while but it looks like Apple may not update it. Many feel that the AppleTV will replace it as many people who do buy the Mac mini use it for the purpose of a headless media unit.
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Go to Youtube and type Gates Jobs into the search box...
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Was he Steve Wozniak? http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070531/video-steve-jobs -and-bill-gates-together-part-7-of-7/