What would it have taken them to run on the ground with the computer set to December 31st and see what happens?
HAL would think the mission was over and try and a runway landing from top of the launch pad. As someone else here has already pointed out you count the time in integers from a base year
eg Feb 08 1828 and count up.
was Re:Like, shouldn't they have tested this years ago
"I'm not saying that this is all Sony's fault, or that they are juridically responsible. But I think it is a problem when companies plan for and profit from violence at product releases"
"I'm stuck hacking away at a bash prompt for a very large chunk of my day five days a week trying to deploy servers while maintaining other servers"
Why not create a image server and config the client to install at boot if it finds the server. At the switch plug the clients cable into the image server. When the client boots it automatically installs then switch it back to the network. Put all updates in automated scripts set them to run at 2.00am and barring hardware failures you can spend the day playing CS or trolling slashdot.
"I do not prefer Linux for home use as it doesn't offer me anything more than Windows or Mac OSX (except maybe security in the case of Windows)"
"Companies rely more and more on distributed AD architectures, that have come a long way towards centralizing workstation configuration options. So now you can have really fine-grained AD-driven security policy that beats what linux ditros can offer"
A multi-national I once worked for never actually used AD. They had Win2k servers in a number of locations using Exchange server and mapped shared drives to the desktop. A twelve man It department did nothing all day but reinstall email accounts that had borked for no reason. Two cat5 sockets on every workplace, one for the Internet and one permanently connected to a ghost server for the never ending reinstalls.
"I think Linux is good, but it didn't innovate enough to compete with the Microsoft steamroller"
If Linux didn't innovate then why does MS see the need to blackmail people into not using it. What if anything did MS ever innovate. Active Directory an implementation of LDAP directory services, does nothing that Novell eDirectory can't do. And security and Windows don't belong in the same sentence. Who really innovated the Zune/iPod, Aero/Mac OS Aqua, Vista/OSX 10.4, dot.net/Java.
innovate: a new idea, method or device. (Merriam-Webster Online)
Did they really win. The EU commisioner told MS to publish the protocols and unbundle certain applications. MS has done neither buts pleads 'confusion' over what the ruling really means.
"It is therefore misleading to imply that the Commission could be the cause of delays in launching Vista in Europe."
"One of the remedies imposed by the decision was for Microsoft to disclose complete and accurate interface documentation which would allow non-Microsoft work group servers to achieve full interoperability with Windows PCs and servers"
As far as I am aware MS have not done so. Has the commision recinded its ruling. If not Microsofts lawyers must be aware of this. Or are they going to stall the process long enough to manufacture a new set of protocols, release a new version of Vista using these protocols and make sure it's incompatible with the old 'opened up' protocols.
By doing such deals Novell are in some sense giving validity to MS claims. Conversely while MS continues to make threatening noises and not acting on them they can be accused of harassment through false threats of litigation. If MS really believes they have a case then why up to now have they not acted on it.
I would advise the other companies to not take up the offer. If they subsequently end up in court they can produce the MS/Novell deal as evidence of the baseless MS claim. That agreement in no way confers any rights to Open Source to Microsoft. That they make no such explicit claim is cogent in the extreme.
"It's my favorite feature within Windows Vista, it's called ASLR (Address Space [Layout] Randomization).. a smart guy here came up with a solution, so we put it in Windows Vista.", Jim Allchin.
A smart guy at MS never did come up with the solution it's been around on other systems at least five years before Vista and it isn't totally secure. Software can never provide total security. Such protections belong in hardware, in the memory management unit.
"in my opinion, it is the most secure system that's available", Jim Allchin.
I think he means the most secure version of Windows.
"We have.. found.. buffer overflow, and those have been removed in Windows XP", Jim Allchin Feb 2002
"I work in a mostly Linux shop. It is the only solution for our server farms", InsaneProcessor
"We have to hire both linux and windows IT people", InsaneProcessor
Is it possible for someone to have both linux and windows skills in the one brain?
"Linux is next to worthless on our desktops", InsaneProcessor
What version? Why are you running both desktops. As an IT services company what exactly is difficult about the 'Linux' Gui?
"Every time a new version or upgrad comes out (new hardware isn't supported by older versions) too many things become broken", InsaneProcessor
What compels you to upgrade? As a professional IT shop I would imagine you set your own upgrade agenda. Why do you install the 'old' version on new hardware when as you say, there is a newer upgrade available. What kind of a shop are you running there?
"Windows is far cheaper to maintain and support", InsaneProcessor
According to this MS sponcered report from 2002 it takes three people to support a Linux server and two for Windows. Anyone who know anything about Unix knows this to be absolute nonsence. An average ISP need hire at most two Linux sys admins regardless of the number of machines. Once some automated scripts are in place baring a hardware failure, there is minimal maintenence.
"As long as the temperature between the warm surface water and the cold deep water differs by about 20C (36F), an OTEC system can produce a significant amount of power."
"Novell is in huge financial trouble. If you read the article, they are trying to negotiate with their major debtors to come to an agreement and continue payments. Wells Fargo and Citibank are calling two of their major loans out against Novell"
In trouble but not exactly huge. The stock was much lower in mid 2003. The problem stems from their failure to file its 10-Q form with the SCO. The delay being caused by the alleged backdating of stock-options. A practice that seems to be common as over over one hundred businesses are being investigated for same. One of their creditors has declared this as reasons for defaulting. They do actually have enough cash to pay off the loan but it would put a severe dent in their cash flow.
"Microsoft cashing in on Novell after they made some financial mistakes and need someone to bail them out of it. Just watch as Microsoft ends up having major influence in the direction of Novell"
You may be very true there. I see a pattern here. 'Partner' with Apple, Sun, Novell etc. The net effect is to neutralize them and protect the core.
"This isn't a bad thing though. It means there will still be two main players in the Linux Business market"
Depends how the fine print and how Novell plays it. This agreement *is* designed to run interference on Novell and deny them access to new markets. A pretty smart move on behalf of MS. It will be interesting seeing if Novell brought a long spoon to the negotiating table. I agree with the rest of your analysis.
"Will Vista really use IPv6, or an "extended" IPv6-like protocol with patented MS extensions? Anyone know? Is there any chance that we could end up in court if we interoperate with it?
Yes to the first and yes to the second only it is MS that is in court with the EU commision for not opening up the protocols. They provided API calls instead. It has been explicidly stated by a MS execitive that the purpose of MS protocols is prevent entry into the market of OSS projects. You can't be any cleared then that.
"OSS projects have been able to gain a foothold in many server applications because of the wide utility of highly commoditized, simple protocols. By extending these protocols and developing new protocols, we can deny OSS projects entry into the market."
"We cannot have IPv6 until the authorities and powers that be online, get a handle on the spam problem", mabu
By that logic spam is cause by IPV4. No, the real casue of spam is all those compromised Windows machines out there. How about making an OS that cannot be so easily be co-opted into a spambot network. How about the chief facilator of these spambots imdemnifying companies against getting spammed or hacked. Now that would be really innovative.
DNS name publication requires updates to DNS servers. Most people must contact a server administrator. This takes time and incurs costs. PNRP name publication is instantaneous, effortless, and free.. DNS relies heavily on caching to improve performance. Unfortunately, this means names cannot be reliably updated in real time.
Stateless autoconfiguration of hosts.. IPv6 hosts can be configured automatically when connected to a routed IPv6 network.. On 20 July 2004 ICANN that the root DNS servers for the Internet had been modified to support both IPv6 and IPv4.
It isn't IPV6 exactly but a combination of PNRP (Peer Name Resolution Protocol) and FQDN (Fully Qualified Domain Name). See here where PNRP v2 is already incompatible with PNRP. According to this it's a combination of IPv4 and IPv6 called the Next Generation TCP/IP Stack and overcomes shortcomings in the DNS system. I find that article quite difficult to follow. Who would have thought name resolution would have been so complex. Is this one of those propriatry protocols that any third party has to pay MS royaltes to access. One of the protocols MS is being fined by the EU for not publicising. Some source code and API calls not being acceptable.
"now only Novell's SUSE Linux customers are the only Linux vendors that have any assurance that Microsoft won't sue for patent infringement", Steve Ballmer
"this whole "Microsoft is the next SCO" is bullshit. The only possible patent infringement going on is in the Microsoft compatibility stack of Mono", Stalyn
"We won't be licensing patents at all but what we will do is grant a covenant to them. There is no language where a license is given", Bill Hilf
But in some sence you are claiming IP rights to Open Source and GPL code.
"It does separate the open source developer who's doing it for a love of technology from those who are getting paid for it.. admitting he did not know the implications for Linus Torvalds,", Bill Hilf
So when are you going to sue Linus Torvalds for violating MS IP rights. Since when did you get to define what are or are not legitimate Open Source developers. And what has the Novell/MS deal got to do with any third party developers who never signed up to it.
"the fine print means that the deal might not be good news for those not running Microsoft's approved version of Linux."
"Microsoft made it clear that only SUSE users and developers, as well as unsalaried Linux developers, are protected"
"Let me be clear about one thing, we don't license our intellectual property to Linux because of the way Linux licensing GPL framework works, that's not really a possibility," said Microsoft chief executive, Steve Ballmer.
"Novell is actually just a proxy for its customers, and it's only for its customers,"
:) With this agreement I now own Novells entire customer base..
"if people want to have peace and interoperability, they'll look at Novell's SUSE Linux. If they make other choices, they have all of the compliance and intellectual property issues that are associated with that."
Ok Steve, put up or shut up. Sue a big corporation over using 'unlicensed' Microsoft Linux.
"This is really great news, assuming Mozilla can get over their "Not Invented Here" syndrome (see: Linux distros required to verify their patches with Mozilla)"
They're free to use any patches as long as they don't call it Firefox. From what I can figure out it is a dispute over the use of the logo. Debian are happy to use the codebase they just don't want to include the logo. It's also not unreasonable for Mozilla to want to verify patches for Mozilla Firefox.
"The shuttle computers were never envisioned to fly through a year-end changeover,"
"Timing Considerations.. In the HAL/S system, the RTE contains a clock measuring elapsed time ("RTE-clock" time). The time is measured in "machine units" (MUs) whose correspondence with physical time is implementation dependent. HAL/S contains several instances of timing expressions which in effect make reference to the RTE-clock"
"The true HAL/S concept of a program at run time is an entity executing over some interval in "real time", directed and controlled by a Real Time Executive (RTE). At the outset, the RTE begins execution of the program"
"It's clear that something is going on. Polar caps on both Earth and Mars are shrinking, by roughly the same percentage. In spite of all the doom sayers, sea level is not rising measurably. (Unchanged in the last 200 years, to within the margin of error.)", YetAnotherBob
"Over the entire period from 1870 the average rate of rise was 1.44mm per year. Over the 20th Century it averaged 1.7mm per year; while the figure for the period since 1950 is 1.75mm per year.. the scientists behind this study say they are the first to verify the trend using historical data"
"You should remember that a lot of the organizations on both sides of this 'debate' have an agenda. If you don't know the agenda, you won't know the 'researcher' bias", YetAnotherBob
I figure those opposing are big Oil and the corporations as anything done to reduce human impact on the environment would impact revenue. What hidden agenda do those finding evidence for global warming have? You claim it's only about funding. Are we to believe that Scientists would fake research data and big Oil exectutives only ever tell the truth.
"Take the headline here on Slashdot a day or two ago that in 30 years there won't be anything living in the oceans", YetAnotherBob
I do know that edible fish round these shores have all but disappeared. Of what's left, the average size of catch is about one third of what it used to be. The seasons also seem to have disappeared. Doesn't get very cold in 'winter' and doesn't get very warm in 'summer' except when we get two weeks of a heat wave followed by a semi tropical hurricane.
"now only Novell's SUSE Linux customers are the only Linux vendors that have any assurance that Microsoft won't sue for patent infringement..." Steve Ballmer
Slashdot Mirror
What would it have taken them to run on the ground with the computer set to December 31st and see what happens?
HAL would think the mission was over and try and a runway landing from top of the launch pad. As someone else here has already pointed out you count the time in integers from a base year eg Feb 08 1828 and count up.
was Re:Like, shouldn't they have tested this years ago
Chinese people buying the japanese PS3s (Score:3, garbage)
http://scobleizer.com/2006/08/24/the-startup-sound -in-vista/
"I'm not saying that this is all Sony's fault, or that they are juridically responsible. But I think it is a problem when companies plan for and profit from violence at product releases"
was Re:Yes, Sony is to blame
"You are not one micron less a fascist...merely from a different direction"
When did he ever threaten MS with litigation for having FOSS intellectual property in Windows.
was Re:Evil on one side, evil on the other
"I'm stuck hacking away at a bash prompt for a very large chunk of my day five days a week trying to deploy servers while maintaining other servers"
Why not create a image server and config the client to install at boot if it finds the server. At the switch plug the clients cable into the image server. When the client boots it automatically installs then switch it back to the network. Put all updates in automated scripts set them to run at 2.00am and barring hardware failures you can spend the day playing CS or trolling slashdot.
"I do not prefer Linux for home use as it doesn't offer me anything more than Windows or Mac OSX (except maybe security in the case of Windows)"
Then you're not a real Linux geek
"Companies rely more and more on distributed AD architectures, that have come a long way towards centralizing workstation configuration options. So now you can have really fine-grained AD-driven security policy that beats what linux ditros can offer"
A multi-national I once worked for never actually used AD. They had Win2k servers in a number of locations using Exchange server and mapped shared drives to the desktop. A twelve man It department did nothing all day but reinstall email accounts that had borked for no reason. Two cat5 sockets on every workplace, one for the Internet and one permanently connected to a ghost server for the never ending reinstalls.
"I think Linux is good, but it didn't innovate enough to compete with the Microsoft steamroller"
If Linux didn't innovate then why does MS see the need to blackmail people into not using it. What if anything did MS ever innovate. Active Directory an implementation of LDAP directory services, does nothing that Novell eDirectory can't do. And security and Windows don't belong in the same sentence. Who really innovated the Zune/iPod, Aero/Mac OS Aqua, Vista/OSX 10.4, dot.net/Java.
innovate: a new idea, method or device. (Merriam-Webster Online)
was Re:No MS has won again.
Did they really win. The EU commisioner told MS to publish the protocols and unbundle certain applications. MS has done neither buts pleads 'confusion' over what the ruling really means.
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"It is therefore misleading to imply that the Commission could be the cause of delays in launching Vista in Europe."
"One of the remedies imposed by the decision was for Microsoft to disclose complete and accurate interface documentation which would allow non-Microsoft work group servers to achieve full interoperability with Windows PCs and servers"
As far as I am aware MS have not done so. Has the commision recinded its ruling. If not Microsofts lawyers must be aware of this. Or are they going to stall the process long enough to manufacture a new set of protocols, release a new version of Vista using these protocols and make sure it's incompatible with the old 'opened up' protocols.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5325690.stm
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060411
"what sorts of licensing and patent agreements Microsoft is willing to make could be very informative"
Why would Red Hat want to pay MS for their own code?
was Red Hat should go to the table (Score:5, Fud)
By doing such deals Novell are in some sense giving validity to MS claims. Conversely while MS continues to make threatening noises and not acting on them they can be accused of harassment through false threats of litigation. If MS really believes they have a case then why up to now have they not acted on it.
I would advise the other companies to not take up the offer. If they subsequently end up in court they can produce the MS/Novell deal as evidence of the baseless MS claim. That agreement in no way confers any rights to Open Source to Microsoft. That they make no such explicit claim is cogent in the extreme.
"You know, stupid fanboy comments like this are really annoying"
/etc/hotplug/blacklist.
According to this all that's required in adding entries to
http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/
"It's my favorite feature within Windows Vista, it's called ASLR (Address Space [Layout] Randomization) .. a smart guy here came up with a solution, so we put it in Windows Vista.", Jim Allchin.
.. found .. buffer overflow, and those have been removed in Windows XP", Jim Allchin Feb 2002
A smart guy at MS never did come up with the solution it's been around on other systems at least five years before Vista and it isn't totally secure. Software can never provide total security. Such protections belong in hardware, in the memory management unit.
"in my opinion, it is the most secure system that's available", Jim Allchin.
I think he means the most secure version of Windows.
"We have
"I work in a mostly Linux shop. It is the only solution for our server farms", InsaneProcessor
.. morons, worthless, upgrad, broken, troublshooting, licenses, zeolots+pretend typos
"We have to hire both linux and windows IT people", InsaneProcessor
Is it possible for someone to have both linux and windows skills in the one brain?
"Linux is next to worthless on our desktops", InsaneProcessor
What version? Why are you running both desktops. As an IT services company what exactly is difficult about the 'Linux' Gui?
"Every time a new version or upgrad comes out (new hardware isn't supported by older versions) too many things become broken", InsaneProcessor
What compels you to upgrade? As a professional IT shop I would imagine you set your own upgrade agenda. Why do you install the 'old' version on new hardware when as you say, there is a newer upgrade available. What kind of a shop are you running there?
"Windows is far cheaper to maintain and support", InsaneProcessor
According to this MS sponcered report from 2002 it takes three people to support a Linux server and two for Windows. Anyone who know anything about Unix knows this to be absolute nonsence. An average ISP need hire at most two Linux sys admins regardless of the number of machines. Once some automated scripts are in place baring a hardware failure, there is minimal maintenence.
X-Fud-Status: Yes, score=7.0 required=2.5
InsaneProcessor (869563)
was Morons that miss the point completely (Score:1, FUD)
Morons that miss the point completely
first post ?
"As long as the temperature between the warm surface water and the cold deep water differs by about 20C (36F), an OTEC system can produce a significant amount of power."
was Re:This is a life saving innovation
"Novell is in huge financial trouble. If you read the article, they are trying to negotiate with their major debtors to come to an agreement and continue payments. Wells Fargo and Citibank are calling two of their major loans out against Novell"
In trouble but not exactly huge. The stock was much lower in mid 2003. The problem stems from their failure to file its 10-Q form with the SCO. The delay being caused by the alleged backdating of stock-options. A practice that seems to be common as over over one hundred businesses are being investigated for same. One of their creditors has declared this as reasons for defaulting. They do actually have enough cash to pay off the loan but it would put a severe dent in their cash flow.
"Microsoft cashing in on Novell after they made some financial mistakes and need someone to bail them out of it. Just watch as Microsoft ends up having major influence in the direction of Novell"
You may be very true there. I see a pattern here. 'Partner' with Apple, Sun, Novell etc. The net effect is to neutralize them and protect the core.
"This isn't a bad thing though. It means there will still be two main players in the Linux Business market"
Depends how the fine print and how Novell plays it. This agreement *is* designed to run interference on Novell and deny them access to new markets. A pretty smart move on behalf of MS. It will be interesting seeing if Novell brought a long spoon to the negotiating table. I agree with the rest of your analysis.
"Will Vista really use IPv6, or an "extended" IPv6-like protocol with patented MS extensions? Anyone know? Is there any chance that we could end up in court if we interoperate with it?
Yes to the first and yes to the second only it is MS that is in court with the EU commision for not opening up the protocols. They provided API calls instead. It has been explicidly stated by a MS execitive that the purpose of MS protocols is prevent entry into the market of OSS projects. You can't be any cleared then that.
"OSS projects have been able to gain a foothold in many server applications because of the wide utility of highly commoditized, simple protocols. By extending these protocols and developing new protocols, we can deny OSS projects entry into the market."
was Re:IPv6 or IPv6[TM}?
"We cannot have IPv6 until the authorities and powers that be online, get a handle on the spam problem", mabu
.. DNS relies heavily on caching to improve performance. Unfortunately, this means names cannot be reliably updated in real time.
.. IPv6 hosts can be configured automatically when connected to a routed IPv6 network .. On 20 July 2004 ICANN that the root DNS servers for the Internet had been modified to support both IPv6 and IPv4.
By that logic spam is cause by IPV4. No, the real casue of spam is all those compromised Windows machines out there. How about making an OS that cannot be so easily be co-opted into a spambot network. How about the chief facilator of these spambots imdemnifying companies against getting spammed or hacked. Now that would be really innovative.
DNS name publication requires updates to DNS servers. Most people must contact a server administrator. This takes time and incurs costs. PNRP name publication is instantaneous, effortless, and free
Stateless autoconfiguration of hosts
was Just say NO to ipV6 (score 5 nonsence)
It isn't IPV6 exactly but a combination of PNRP (Peer Name Resolution Protocol) and FQDN (Fully Qualified Domain Name). See here where PNRP v2 is already incompatible with PNRP. According to this it's a combination of IPv4 and IPv6 called the Next Generation TCP/IP Stack and overcomes shortcomings in the DNS system. I find that article quite difficult to follow. Who would have thought name resolution would have been so complex. Is this one of those propriatry protocols that any third party has to pay MS royaltes to access. One of the protocols MS is being fined by the EU for not publicising. Some source code and API calls not being acceptable.
"now only Novell's SUSE Linux customers are the only Linux vendors that have any assurance that Microsoft won't sue for patent infringement", Steve Ballmer
.. admitting he did not know the implications for Linus Torvalds,", Bill Hilf
"this whole "Microsoft is the next SCO" is bullshit. The only possible patent infringement going on is in the Microsoft compatibility stack of Mono", Stalyn
"We won't be licensing patents at all but what we will do is grant a covenant to them. There is no language where a license is given", Bill Hilf
But in some sence you are claiming IP rights to Open Source and GPL code.
"It does separate the open source developer who's doing it for a love of technology from those who are getting paid for it
So when are you going to sue Linus Torvalds for violating MS IP rights. Since when did you get to define what are or are not legitimate Open Source developers. And what has the Novell/MS deal got to do with any third party developers who never signed up to it.
was Re:FUD
"the fine print means that the deal might not be good news for those not running Microsoft's approved version of Linux."
:) With this agreement I now own Novells entire customer base ..
"Microsoft made it clear that only SUSE users and developers, as well as unsalaried Linux developers, are protected"
"Let me be clear about one thing, we don't license our intellectual property to Linux because of the way Linux licensing GPL framework works, that's not really a possibility," said Microsoft chief executive, Steve Ballmer.
"Novell is actually just a proxy for its customers, and it's only for its customers,"
"if people want to have peace and interoperability, they'll look at Novell's SUSE Linux. If they make other choices, they have all of the compliance and intellectual property issues that are associated with that."
Ok Steve, put up or shut up. Sue a big corporation over using 'unlicensed' Microsoft Linux.
"This is really great news, assuming Mozilla can get over their "Not Invented Here" syndrome (see: Linux distros required to verify their patches with Mozilla)"
They're free to use any patches as long as they don't call it Firefox. From what I can figure out it is a dispute over the use of the logo. Debian are happy to use the codebase they just don't want to include the logo. It's also not unreasonable for Mozilla to want to verify patches for Mozilla Firefox.
was Re:It can't be any worse than SpiderMonkey
"The shuttle computers were never envisioned to fly through a year-end changeover,"
.. In the HAL/S system, the RTE contains a clock measuring elapsed time ("RTE-clock" time). The time is measured in "machine units" (MUs) whose correspondence with physical time is implementation dependent. HAL/S contains several instances of timing expressions which in effect make reference to the RTE-clock"
"Timing Considerations
"The true HAL/S concept of a program at run time is an entity executing over some interval in "real time", directed and controlled by a Real Time Executive (RTE). At the outset, the RTE begins execution of the program"
"It's clear that something is going on. Polar caps on both Earth and Mars are shrinking, by roughly the same percentage. In spite of all the doom sayers, sea level is not rising measurably. (Unchanged in the last 200 years, to within the margin of error.)", YetAnotherBob
.. the scientists behind this study say they are the first to verify the trend using historical data"
5 15_030515_fishdecline.html
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=367
..
"Over the entire period from 1870 the average rate of rise was 1.44mm per year. Over the 20th Century it averaged 1.7mm per year; while the figure for the period since 1950 is 1.75mm per year
"You should remember that a lot of the organizations on both sides of this 'debate' have an agenda. If you don't know the agenda, you won't know the 'researcher' bias", YetAnotherBob
I figure those opposing are big Oil and the corporations as anything done to reduce human impact on the environment would impact revenue. What hidden agenda do those finding evidence for global warming have? You claim it's only about funding. Are we to believe that Scientists would fake research data and big Oil exectutives only ever tell the truth.
"Take the headline here on Slashdot a day or two ago that in 30 years there won't be anything living in the oceans", YetAnotherBob
I do know that edible fish round these shores have all but disappeared. Of what's left, the average size of catch is about one third of what it used to be. The seasons also seem to have disappeared. Doesn't get very cold in 'winter' and doesn't get very warm in 'summer' except when we get two weeks of a heat wave followed by a semi tropical hurricane.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0
"The best solution at present seems to be more study and analysis"
Let's do nothing
"the result will be like Kyoto. Lots of camera ops, a few minor efforts, a few major hold outs, and total world wide failure"
Kyoto 'failed' because the US out of all the signaturities refused to ratify it.
"I'm beginning to think that the real problem is politics. From all sides."
The only politicking is coming from your side.
re Re:Anybody remember (Score:5, interference)
"now only Novell's SUSE Linux customers are the only Linux vendors that have any assurance that Microsoft won't sue for patent infringement..." Steve Ballmer
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http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061103