They don't need to have spys in the company itself, all equipment exported to Iran are under Export Control https://my.tennessee.edu/portal/page?_pageid=43,618777&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
So Siemens needs to report all equipment exported to Iran to the German government, and this is relatively easy to access this information. As a spy, all you would need to do is to see who is exporting and what to Iran. Of course you need the experts to tell you what kind of equipment can be used...
1) We know where all their hidden runways are: we run the satellites and Global Hawk. Fly that Saab out of that hole *BANG*
hmmm... if there are 50 hidden runways, are you going to keep you interceptors on the all the time? As happens to be that Sweden has one of the largest air forces in Europe... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_airc raft_of_Sweden/ And Grippen happens to be a fourth generation fighter.
2) They get *no* GPS. Magellan has 1 bird aloft so far as I know, and no weapons that can use it.
Yes, but they have maps. You remember? Things used before GPS...
4) Presumably we're striking first, so we get the element of surprise. If you want to say that a carrier group cannot move without the element of surprise, I think your imagination is broke. Who is going to tell them where it is? Also, we still have Ohio and Los Angeles class subs and they can carry Tomahawks: I think 2 Ohios are being refitted to carry 154 Tomahawks apiece. See Wikipedia.
First strike is always a good idea, but from where? Are you going to take your carrier group to the Baltic sea? Or just bomb them over Norway? Same goes for the subs, put two Ohios in the Baltic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Sea/? Not a good idea...
6) Do you think the Swedes can penetrate the shell of air defense over a modern U.S. carrier group? How? 1st there's F-18s. Then there's cruisers with Aegis and Standard Missile. Closer in we go to RAM and Phalanx and lots of AAA.
That's true, carrier groups are damn hard to knock out, by air force. But I wouldn't worry, because you can't get a carrier group close to Sweden anyway. And intercepting fighters is a lot more easy...
7) Do you think that they train for this fight?
Maybe not, but it's their country and they will defend it. People usually don't like foreign nations bombing them...
8) Do you think that their anti-ship missiles are things we (a) don't make (b) haven't taken apart and examined in great detail? One of the few heartening things from the Falklands is how it seems to have motivated the U.S. to take ship protection very, very seriously.
What you seem to forget is that most of West-European countries spend lot of time and money in preparing for the Soviet invasion. Ok, today most armies have been cut down, but do you think that they have forgotten everything? They still have bunkers and infrastructure to fight off invasions.
For the record, I'm from EU area and I used to work for the UN in East-Africa.
I know they have made serious mistakes, but what is the alternative?
http://www.un.org/aboutun/achieve.htm
Read some UN history and tell me some organisation that has done better... Most of people that I have met in the UN do belive in the UN. Of course there are people that have and will use the UN for their on benefits, but...
I have a Creative Zen and I like it. I was thinking about a iPod, but the price was too high to compare... sure Apple has all that nice bling-bling but i dont really need that, I just wanted a mp3-player...
Ipod has become too much a cool thing, people don't know alternatives, but that's 'cos of marketing... good for Apple, bad for others. I'm pro-choice...
but I have a mp3-player, so I really don't give... my money to Apple. I'll spend my money on beer and bigger hard drives... for porn.
Hmm... thats a new business idea, a photo-iPod showing only porn... now to the patent office.
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http://youtu.be/4KEueJnsu80
Not funny. I want back the ponies!
Being a norseman I resent that. We where not ravaging Europe, but bringing them freedom. And they had WMDs.
They don't need to have spys in the company itself, all equipment exported to Iran are under Export Control https://my.tennessee.edu/portal/page?_pageid=43,618777&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL So Siemens needs to report all equipment exported to Iran to the German government, and this is relatively easy to access this information. As a spy, all you would need to do is to see who is exporting and what to Iran. Of course you need the experts to tell you what kind of equipment can be used...
1) We know where all their hidden runways are: we run the satellites and Global Hawk. Fly that Saab out of that hole *BANG*
c raft_of_Sweden/ And Grippen happens to be a fourth generation fighter.
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hmmm... if there are 50 hidden runways, are you going to keep you interceptors on the all the time? As happens to be that Sweden has one of the largest air forces in Europe... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_air
2) They get *no* GPS. Magellan has 1 bird aloft so far as I know, and no weapons that can use it.
Yes, but they have maps. You remember? Things used before GPS...
3) We make all their weapons.
No you don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Bofors/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kockums/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab/
4) Presumably we're striking first, so we get the element of surprise. If you want to say that a carrier group cannot move without the element of surprise, I think your imagination is broke. Who is going to tell them where it is? Also, we still have Ohio and Los Angeles class subs and they can carry Tomahawks: I think 2 Ohios are being refitted to carry 154 Tomahawks apiece. See Wikipedia.
First strike is always a good idea, but from where? Are you going to take your carrier group to the Baltic sea? Or just bomb them over Norway? Same goes for the subs, put two Ohios in the Baltic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Sea/? Not a good idea...
5) What Swedish Navy?
You know, Swedish Navy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Navy/ I'm sure that they would love to use their subs against your carrier group in the Baltic.
6) Do you think the Swedes can penetrate the shell of air defense over a modern U.S. carrier group? How? 1st there's F-18s. Then there's cruisers with Aegis and Standard Missile. Closer in we go to RAM and Phalanx and lots of AAA.
That's true, carrier groups are damn hard to knock out, by air force. But I wouldn't worry, because you can't get a carrier group close to Sweden anyway. And intercepting fighters is a lot more easy...
7) Do you think that they train for this fight?
Maybe not, but it's their country and they will defend it. People usually don't like foreign nations bombing them...
8) Do you think that their anti-ship missiles are things we (a) don't make (b) haven't taken apart and examined in great detail? One of the few heartening things from the Falklands is how it seems to have motivated the U.S. to take ship protection very, very seriously.
Yes, but taking things apart doesn't usually help when they are fired at you... http://www.military.cz/sweden/RBS15/default_en.ht
What you seem to forget is that most of West-European countries spend lot of time and money in preparing for the Soviet invasion. Ok, today most armies have been cut down, but do you think that they have forgotten everything? They still have bunkers and infrastructure to fight off invasions.
And no, I'm not Swedish.
If someone is interrested in the original http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kullervo, here is a translation to english: http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/kveng/kvrune31.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/kveng/kvrune32.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/kveng/kvrune33.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/kveng/kvrune34.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/kveng/kvrune35.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/kveng/kvrune36.htm
Specially interresting is how Kullervo kills himself, in the last part, somehow familiar to those who have read the Silmarillion...
For the record, I'm from EU area and I used to work for the UN in East-Africa. I know they have made serious mistakes, but what is the alternative? http://www.un.org/aboutun/achieve.htm Read some UN history and tell me some organisation that has done better... Most of people that I have met in the UN do belive in the UN. Of course there are people that have and will use the UN for their on benefits, but...
Intenational trade is a funny thing, it's international and if you think that "It will hurt them more than the US because the simple fact is that more Europeans do business with US companies than American's doing business with European companies." then what about rest of the world? China, Brazil, EU... do the math. http://tse.export.gov/MapFrameset.aspx?MapPage=NTD MapDisplay.aspx&UniqueURL=5dezjw55po1hcj553d3g023t -2005-10-23-15-44-25 Trade
cool, can they make it into a better processor fan?
I have a Creative Zen and I like it. I was thinking about a iPod, but the price was too high to compare... sure Apple has all that nice bling-bling but i dont really need that, I just wanted a mp3-player...
Ipod has become too much a cool thing, people don't know alternatives, but that's 'cos of marketing... good for Apple, bad for others. I'm pro-choice...
but I have a mp3-player, so I really don't give... my money to Apple. I'll spend my money on beer and bigger hard drives... for porn.
Hmm... thats a new business idea, a photo-iPod showing only porn... now to the patent office.
It's not a fault, it's marketing... Why are you so shocked? 'cos it's not true? Welcome to reality...