That's why former Illinois Governor George Ryan commuted all the death sentences in Illinois to life after DNA evidence proved that half the men on death row were innocent.
Well, also there was the fact that it was *proven* that a large number of those people had their confessions tortured out of them by the cops.
Put down the dictionary and listen to what people actually say.
Better than that, look at what they actually *do*
"Conservatives" can say they're in favor of small government all they want, but as long as they keep voting Republican, the truth is obvious: They want the biggest government they can get...far bigger than the Democrats.
So listening to liars tell the same old lies is pointless. Actions speak louder than words and the actions of "Conservatives" demonstrate absolutely what they actually do believe in and it's not at all what you keep claiming it is. If it were, then every relevant fact wouldn't contradict you which they currently do.
Religious interests have no power. Business has less and less. The "establishment" is the government, education, and the media. The "establishment" is anti-conservative.
OK, now you're just talking crazy.
This is 180 degrees wrong. Conservatism is pro free-market. It's like we're not even talking about the same thing at all.
I'm talking about modern American Conservatism in the USA -- Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp and Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh.
OK, you're way over the rainbow now. Ronald Reagan was in charge of *the single largest expansion in the US government in history, and was a fascist who funded terrorist training and death squads apart from selling crack on the side to pay for all of this in direct violation of the law.
Gingrich? Limbaugh?
Seriously, dude, actions speak louder than words. You might want to actually look at what those corporate welfare queens actually did rather than spout nonsense based solely on the lies they told to fool idiots.
Because if you actually did believe in any of the things you just claimed to then those would be the last people you'd point to as good examples.
This complete inability of "conservatives" to separate their Reagan masturbation fantasies from the real world is epidemic and truly frightening.
In any useful definition of the word "lie", there is intent. Nobody cares what you extrapolated from one random dictionary entry.
Not true at all. If you know that you don't know whether or not something is true and you state it as if it were a fact, then you're still lying. Saying "A is true" when it isn't is a lie is a lie is a lie. Your reason for lying about that fact might be any of a number of reasons, but it's still an intentionally deceptive statement and hence a lie.
So for example, when Rummy said that we knew right where the WMDs were, he was lying. When a religious person says that "god said this", they're lying.
Just because the person wants to believe something does not make it true, and saying that it is true merely because you want it to be is a lie absolutely.
Now, none of those specifics were directed at you, I was just disagreeing with your statement that a lie requires intent. It doesn't. Knowingly making a statement *as fact* when you know that you do no know if it is a fact is just as much of a lie.
Do you have any current examples of religious folks forcing people to do things?
Duh, the gay hatred amendment they keep trying to pass even though the very idea is diametrically opposed to the actual American Values of liberty.
Add in trying to shove "under god" and the ten commandments into government buildings of a government founded specifically on the idea that allowing crazy delusions into the laws is completely antithetical tho the idea of a free society?
Their hatred of this nation is quite clear and obvious, so maybe you should actually look around a bit before asking really silly questions that 5 minutes of research could have completely cleared up for any thinking person?
There's one side that wants to take over industries and control things and one side that wants smaller government and less interference in people's lives. I'm on the right, so I want smaller, less intrusive government. To get that, I'm trying to get people who agree with me elected. Those people call themselves "conservatives" in the US.
See, when people say completely batshit insane things like this it demonstrates how completely out of touch with reality people in this country *and, most especially the right, truly are.
Left and Right are *both* extremely anti individual liberty.
The Democrats are the party of big government, but the Republicans are the party of even bigger government than that.
It's not like this is new. Ever since Reagan was elected, the Republicans have been the undisputed leaders in big oppressive government.
As far as "I'm on the right, so I want smaller, less intrusive government. " That's a completely insane statement. If you are on the right, then you want big oppressive government so you can keep robbing the people of this country to make massive corporate welfare payments to already profitable corporations.
Left and Right are identical in the fact that they both absolutely require big powerful government and in the fact that they both stand violently opposed to individual liberty.
I mean, you obviously don't even understand where those terms came from if you don't realize how stupid you sound when you make silly nonsensical statements like that.
To get that, I'm trying to get people who agree with me elected. Those people call themselves "conservatives" in the US.
Wrong. "Conservatives" in the US means radical religious extremists who hate the constitution and the freedoms it guarantees. It means people who want to amend the constitution specifically to discriminate against a group they hate for purely religious based nonsensical reasons.
None of their goals are even possible without massive overpowered government.
Now, you talk like you're actually a Libertarian, since that's where most the Republicans who actually did believe the things you claim to went back in the 50s. The rest left when Reagan the fascist came into office. That was about 30 years ago, so its not like there hasn't been plenty of time for you to figure that out if you actually put any thought at all into your positions.
Seriously, this tired old "durrr the Right believes in small government" meme needs to die. It has no basis in reality and is amazingly stupid, worng and simplistic.
"Oh, we'll paint our faces to cover up the fact our music sucks."
No comment on the quality of their music, but I think the paint was to cover up how fucking ugly they all are. At least that was the speculation when they took off the makeup for the first time.
I mean they, back then, made Keith Richards and Stephen Tyler look good *today*.
How you do combine social liberalism, such as universal health care, a good welfare program, and other socialist ideas with low taxes?
Because he's talking about Liberalism, not about what people in the US called Liberals believe in. They're two completely different things.
Socialism is a left philosophy. Liberalism is the center. It's what you're left or right of. Liberalism believes in individual liberty. The left agrees and wants to force equality at gunpoint. The right despises the idea and wants to enforce inequality at gunpoint.
I know it bothers you to be proven wrong. I hope that you will take what he says to heart and not just get mad. I would guess that he knows what he's talking about. If you have not read his response yet, when you do, please do not reply by calling him the foulest words you can think of. He is right. You were wrong. Don't take it personally. There is nothing wrong with ignorance. There is something seriously wrong with refusing an education.
You're projecting again, Sparky. I'm well aware of the points he brought up, but they are not in any way related to the terrorist threat that you cowards are constantly pissing yourselves over.
Think about what this guy told you. He's seen real Fascism. He has seen modern day brownshirts. He knows what Fascism is. Please think about that before you call Republicans fascist.
No, you don't really know what fascism is. Fascism is the merger of state and corporate power. So when my tax dollars are taken away and given to already massively profitable oil companies, that's fascism in action. When my tax dollars are taken away to pay companies to leave America taking away jobs, that's fascism in action. When the President makes up a bunch of bullshit about evil terrorists everywhere in order to strip rights and freedoms away from Americans and to make up a never ending war based on nothing, that's fascism in action.
Add in the fact that we are running secret prisons where those secretly arrested are taken and tortured and murdered innocent and guilty alike, and a sane person (unlike you, who is crippled by your cowardice and unable to think clearly as you demonstrated yet again here) would realize that making the real problem worse while destroying the basis of our country to pretend to address a made up problem is the actual major problem we're facing.
Of course, you're too stupid to think about the big picture and you constantly just spout the idiotic lies of this administration. You are so dumb, in fact, that you think the other poster agrees with you. He doesn't. He's talking about a completely different threat than the one you're pissing yourself over like the ignorant coward you're proven yourself repeatedly to be.
So, it's really pretty pathetic that since you're incapable of coming off looking like anything but a fool when we talk, you see somebody else disagreeing with me and feel the need to post a "me too" when you don't even understand the issues under discussion. Par for the course for you delusional scum, but just because you're consistently a cowardly fool doesn't make it ok.
You are talking about a completely different issue requiring completely different solutions. You're pretty accurate as far as it goes, but that isn't at all related to the "global network of terrorists dedicated to murdering all Americans because they hate our freedom, which is a non existent boogie man and it is the made up nonsense threat which Bush and co. are using to get Americans to piss themselves and toss out the constitution.
Completely different issues.
Think of Wahabi in charge of the Islamic world. They have Iran (mostly; as bad as the Iranian government is, it could be far worse), they had Afghanistan and might well have it again. They have a shot at getting Iraq, something they didn't have five years ago.
Well, let's not forget Saudi Arabia, the ones who started Wahabiism. You did make mention of them later in your post, but it's very important to keep in mind that they are the primary driving force behind it.
The United States needs to stand by the secular governments in the Islamic world. Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the fledgling governments of Afghanistan and Iraq. It even needs to make nice with Syria, and erred badly by toppling Saddam Hussein. No matter how far they may be from our ideals of democracy, they are far better than the alternative. At the same time, we need to really demonstrate to the Muslim man on the street that we are not anti-Islam, we are only anti-radical.
Well, we need to stop standing by Saudi Arabia. Propping up brutal, murderous, oppressive regimes is how we got in this position in the first place. Invading Iraq was a complete disaster which will prevent us from being able to deal with that issue in any sort of reasonable manner since we've already pissed away any credibility we had and further we have justified the extremists. Before, a reasonable citizen of one of those countries could easily refute the extremists' arguments. Now we have lost them the ability to do that. Now, a reasonable citizen of one of those countries *knows* that we actually are out to fuck them whether or not they actually do anything wrong since we'll just make up idiotic lies and the American people will follow drooling along.
So, no, I'm not wrong. You're just bringing up a different issue.
It would be good if this topic was discussed rationally in the public sphere, but we both know that's not going to happen because the fear of the made up threat gives more power to the scum here who fully intend to make the threat as real as they can as we've seen by their constant aiding and abetting of the terrorists through active media promotion, and wars based on made up lies and nonsense.
Why not just write to Queen Pelosi and ask her what the party of hate and the party of death are going to do next? That is what the democrat party stands for after all.
Wow, a loon talking about the "party of death" with a Ronald terrorist supporting, death squad training, crack dealing, Reagan quote in his sig?!?
Wow, you wingnuts exist completely outside reality. Do you douchebag traitors come with a disclaimer: "sanity need not apply"?
Come on, that Countdown program is just about as biased left as you can get.
You really do not have the foggiest idea what "left" and "right" mean, do you?
I guess bias for the liberal side is called news, and bias for conservatives is an outrage,
Ahhh, well you think those are synonyms for left and right, so, no, you do not have the foggiest idea what you're talking about and so sound like a typical screeching loon.
It's a good thing that Fox News exists, or there would be no conservative voices in the media at all.
Ahh, and "conservative voices" isn't identical to "fascist propaganda" as you likewise seem to think, although that's a lot closer.
Do you seriously expect anybody to treat you as anything but an annoyingly ignorant child when you can't even demonstrate the most elementary grasp of the relevant terms and concepts?
Whenever someone throws the term "facisct" around indiscriminately, you've almost certainly identified a leftist, and they are typically more authoritarian than anyone, and just as anti-constitution as they accuse their ideological opponents of being.
Duh, The right wing nutjobs *are* fascists, so they don't like to use that term as calling themselves what they are is bad for business since we did fight WW2 to end those scum. Of course both the left and the right are the enemies of liberty. The defining characteristics of each are best defined by how and why they oppose Liberalism.
That said, at the moment, there's a *war* on, one that may well last beyond my lifetime, in case some hadn't noticed. The struggle against radical Islam is the world war of our time.
No, there is no war and there is no real credible threat. You've just proven yourself to be *exactly* the type of cowardly idiot that this administration bet their whole stake that the majority of Americans are.
You are afraid of the boogie man. It's a nonsense threat that does not exist.
Grow up, grow a pair and act like a citizen and an adult, not like the cowardly little afraid of your own shadow bitch that you've proven yourself beyond the shadow of any doubt to be.
In every war - including the Revolution - some civil liberties have been curtailed. My concern in this case is that there has been an ongoing, slow curtailment of civil liberties in lockstep with the growth of government, and it is unlikely that the government will reverse any of that unless forced to do so by the ballot box. Certainly, there is no intention of doing so, and these things go back decades before the current administration.
You're a liar. You have no such "concern" of any sort. That exact curtailment of liberties is the exact reason that this whole bullshit war scam, which you're so fucking amazingly stupid as to have bought in to, was invented to create.
So, no you're not concerned about it at all. If you were, then you'd pull your head out of your ass and notice that they go hand in hand, sold by the same scum whose delusional fantasies you're promoting at the expense of any integrity you might once have had.
Joseph Stalin, who purged religion from the state, is directly responsible for 5 to 7 million deaths, and another 30 to 60 million indirectly - meaning, with sanction through direct policy or by external forces under his approval. In totality, he alone probably accounts for more atrocities than all others of historical infamy combined.
Except you're dead wrong. Stalin did not purge religion from the state, he merely made the communist state the new god. All of the same flaws, problems and atrocities inherent in religion were still there, he just changed "god" to "the State".
It's still a religion and as such massively damaging.
i think it's hilarious that your post got modded up, when you responded without any valid point, and told me to kill myself.
Well, except that I actually did clearly state a point. Honesty ain't one of your virtues, though apparently.
i guess we know they're evil, because they're so evil that they would have risked national security for political purposes makes perfect sense...
No, that's a circular argument and is not at all what I said.
We know that they have already risked national security for political/economic purposes many times. Given that we already know that they are the types of people who would do that and have already done that, any arguments about how they wouldn't do something for any reasons of the sort are automatically invalidated.
Huge difference, but again it requires basic simple critical thinking skills.
i don't think you should kill yourself... i value human life
So do I which is why, given how stupid and easily manipulated you are and how much death your idiocy has helped allow and promote I made the sane, decent rational decision to request that you do the one positive thing you're capable of doing to help out with the problem you helped cause through your refusal to think.
Except, ahem, a majority of the American people. He wasn't a doddering idiot.
He certainly ended up a drooling vegetable.
You seem to even agree with that, as you feel he was far too evile to be such.
Much like the current president, he was a doddering idiot. Now, there were some very capable, very evil people in his administration who used his idiocy to engage in treason. Now, unlike most people, I still hold him responsible because it was his responsibility. The atrocities and treason committed by his administration disgraced our nation and we're still dealing with cleaning up the mess he made.
Similar cartoonish stereotypes are thrown up to depict any current President. That's how it's always been. That's how it always will be.
Except, the Republican party has gone as far as to select cartoonish stereotypes as their candidates for decades now. No stereotypes of Bush or Reagan even do justice to how fucked up, amoral, and vile they actually are/were.
He was talking about warrantless wiretapping, that's what I was responding to.
Right, and you responded by claiming that one of Bush's criminal programs wasn't as bad as some totally unrelated, seemingly randomly selected, type of abuse committed in other places ignoring the fact that another of Bush's criminal programs is doing exactly what you claimed his actions were not as bad as.
You brought up illegal arrests, not me. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy inherent in your statement.
Clearly the US should never ignore the Geneva Conventions, but that's outside the scope of the post that I was responding to.
Then you shouldn't have brought it up and attempted to trivialize it.
Speaking an untruth is not necessarily the same thing as lying. People may believe something that is incorrect, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, and in honestly speaking their beliefs they are mistaken but not lying.
Wrong!
Knowingly representing something as a fact when you don't have the first fucking clue whether it's true or not is a lie. Period. end of sentence. Bush and Cheney have both done exactly that and they have also presented as facts things which the head of the fucking CIA told them not to present because it was bogus intel.
I'm totally sickened by pieces of shit like you constantly weaseling around to try and get proven scum the ability to fuck us just a little more. A Lie is a lie is a lie and no amount of deceitful scumbaggery, and redefinitions by you will change that fact.
but how is everyone so sure that "they LIED about EVERY threat that Iraq and Saddam Hussein posed"???
do you have access to the highly classified intelligence that they received?? do you have access to classified information about what they found? tell me, what are the exact lies, and how do you know they were lies??? and please don't just say "it's general knowledge" or "where are the WMDs?"
We know that's bullshit because they would have plastered it everywhere. Obviously they know that all the decent people and even, finally, a lot of the scum see through their bullshit and we know that they have no compunctions about revealing classified information for purely political ends.
So, yes, we know they lied through their teeth. All the sane people do anyhow. Not sure exactly what the fuck is wrong with your brain that you're so entirely incapable of basic rational thought, but you should really try to get that fixed. Or kill yourself. You'd do the world a huge service that way.
Gore would have had to deal with 9/11, and probably would have invaded Afghanistan, too.
Save the delusional nonsense.
What makes you think that Gore would have systematically dismantled our anti terrorism operations in order to go after porn, which is what allowed 9/11 to succeed? Oh that's right, he most likely wouldn't have and the attacks never would have happened swo he never would have had a reason to invade Afghanistan.
9/11 only happened due to Bush's incompetence. You look like a real piece of shit when you try and blame hypothetical Gore for things that are squarely Bush's fault. What a fucking worm.
He has not committed treason as defined in the Constitution
The fuck he hasn't.
"levying War against [the Untied States". What do you call his assaults on the constitution? That *is* levying war against the United States.
"adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort"
The entire "war on terrorism" and all the massive press and promotion that this administration has given to a fucking boogie man *is* actively giving aid and comfort to our enemies.
So, yes, Cheney is a traitor, clearly and obviously. So is anybody who supports him, for he is an enemy of this nation and they are giving him aid and support.
Again, there was no oath taken for the occasions mentioned. Four speeches and five interviews are mentioned, but again, at no time during these was he under oath.
Who gives a flying fuck whether or not he was under oath when he intentionally lied in order to fuck America. We're talking about his multiple acts of treason, we're not talking about perjury, idiot.
Whoever modded you informative for that idiotic disinformation you spewed there are a bunch of fucking morons.
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I'm in Abstract Algebra 1 at the moment. I get the feeling it makes more sense after Algebra 2.
Ahhh, so you can solve it by regular induction and don't have to go transfinite.
I knew I had eaten something bad even in my sleep, as I kept seeing these 0x0BADF00D packet headers scrolling up.
And the 0x01DCFFEE...
That's why former Illinois Governor George Ryan commuted all the death sentences in Illinois to life after DNA evidence proved that half the men on death row were innocent.
Well, also there was the fact that it was *proven* that a large number of those people had their confessions tortured out of them by the cops.
Put down the dictionary and listen to what people actually say.
Better than that, look at what they actually *do*
"Conservatives" can say they're in favor of small government all they want, but as long as they keep voting Republican, the truth is obvious: They want the biggest government they can get...far bigger than the Democrats.
So listening to liars tell the same old lies is pointless. Actions speak louder than words and the actions of "Conservatives" demonstrate absolutely what they actually do believe in and it's not at all what you keep claiming it is. If it were, then every relevant fact wouldn't contradict you which they currently do.
Religious interests have no power. Business has less and less. The "establishment" is the government, education, and the media. The "establishment" is anti-conservative.
OK, now you're just talking crazy.
This is 180 degrees wrong. Conservatism is pro free-market. It's like we're not even talking about the same thing at all.
I'm talking about modern American Conservatism in the USA -- Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp and Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh.
OK, you're way over the rainbow now.
Ronald Reagan was in charge of *the single largest expansion in the US government in history, and was a fascist who funded terrorist training and death squads apart from selling crack on the side to pay for all of this in direct violation of the law.
Gingrich? Limbaugh?
Seriously, dude, actions speak louder than words. You might want to actually look at what those corporate welfare queens actually did rather than spout nonsense based solely on the lies they told to fool idiots.
Because if you actually did believe in any of the things you just claimed to then those would be the last people you'd point to as good examples.
This complete inability of "conservatives" to separate their Reagan masturbation fantasies from the real world is epidemic and truly frightening.
In any useful definition of the word "lie", there is intent. Nobody cares what you extrapolated from one random dictionary entry.
Not true at all.
If you know that you don't know whether or not something is true and you state it as if it were a fact, then you're still lying.
Saying "A is true" when it isn't is a lie is a lie is a lie. Your reason for lying about that fact might be any of a number of reasons, but it's still an intentionally deceptive statement and hence a lie.
So for example, when Rummy said that we knew right where the WMDs were, he was lying.
When a religious person says that "god said this", they're lying.
Just because the person wants to believe something does not make it true, and saying that it is true merely because you want it to be is a lie absolutely.
Now, none of those specifics were directed at you, I was just disagreeing with your statement that a lie requires intent. It doesn't. Knowingly making a statement *as fact* when you know that you do no know if it is a fact is just as much of a lie.
Do you have any current examples of religious folks forcing people to do things?
Duh, the gay hatred amendment they keep trying to pass even though the very idea is diametrically opposed to the actual American Values of liberty.
Add in trying to shove "under god" and the ten commandments into government buildings of a government founded specifically on the idea that allowing crazy delusions into the laws is completely antithetical tho the idea of a free society?
Their hatred of this nation is quite clear and obvious, so maybe you should actually look around a bit before asking really silly questions that 5 minutes of research could have completely cleared up for any thinking person?
There's one side that wants to take over industries and control things and one side that wants smaller government and less interference in people's lives. I'm on the right, so I want smaller, less intrusive government. To get that, I'm trying to get people who agree with me elected. Those people call themselves "conservatives" in the US.
See, when people say completely batshit insane things like this it demonstrates how completely out of touch with reality people in this country *and, most especially the right, truly are.
Left and Right are *both* extremely anti individual liberty.
The Democrats are the party of big government, but the Republicans are the party of even bigger government than that.
It's not like this is new. Ever since Reagan was elected, the Republicans have been the undisputed leaders in big oppressive government.
As far as "I'm on the right, so I want smaller, less intrusive government. "
That's a completely insane statement. If you are on the right, then you want big oppressive government so you can keep robbing the people of this country to make massive corporate welfare payments to already profitable corporations.
Left and Right are identical in the fact that they both absolutely require big powerful government and in the fact that they both stand violently opposed to individual liberty.
I mean, you obviously don't even understand where those terms came from if you don't realize how stupid you sound when you make silly nonsensical statements like that.
To get that, I'm trying to get people who agree with me elected. Those people call themselves "conservatives" in the US.
Wrong. "Conservatives" in the US means radical religious extremists who hate the constitution and the freedoms it guarantees. It means people who want to amend the constitution specifically to discriminate against a group they hate for purely religious based nonsensical reasons.
None of their goals are even possible without massive overpowered government.
Now, you talk like you're actually a Libertarian, since that's where most the Republicans who actually did believe the things you claim to went back in the 50s. The rest left when Reagan the fascist came into office. That was about 30 years ago, so its not like there hasn't been plenty of time for you to figure that out if you actually put any thought at all into your positions.
Seriously, this tired old "durrr the Right believes in small government" meme needs to die. It has no basis in reality and is amazingly stupid, worng and simplistic.
What relibility issues should I be seeing and in what way is it a pain in the ass?
Try putting an exe on a network share and double clicking it.
100% consistent blue screen on all of our test boxes.
How that's a pain in the ass is left as an exercise for the reader.
More movies should end with a rock scene, the other one I can think of is Rat Race - even if it was Smash Mouth, it was awesome..
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Rock and Roll High School. Ramones rocking out while the high school *explodes*.
Can't get much more of a rock scene than that
"Oh, we'll paint our faces to cover up the fact our music sucks."
No comment on the quality of their music, but I think the paint was to cover up how fucking ugly they all are. At least that was the speculation when they took off the makeup for the first time.
I mean they, back then, made Keith Richards and Stephen Tyler look good *today*.
How you do combine social liberalism, such as universal health care, a good welfare program, and other socialist ideas with low taxes?
Because he's talking about Liberalism, not about what people in the US called Liberals believe in. They're two completely different things.
Socialism is a left philosophy. Liberalism is the center. It's what you're left or right of. Liberalism believes in individual liberty. The left agrees and wants to force equality at gunpoint. The right despises the idea and wants to enforce inequality at gunpoint.
Wind. Check. Carrier moving. Check. Unforgiving short runway. Check.
Don't forget the sea bouncing the deck up and down.
I know it bothers you to be proven wrong. I hope that you will take what he says to heart and not just get mad. I would guess that he knows what he's talking about. If you have not read his response yet, when you do, please do not reply by calling him the foulest words you can think of. He is right. You were wrong. Don't take it personally. There is nothing wrong with ignorance. There is something seriously wrong with refusing an education.
You're projecting again, Sparky.
I'm well aware of the points he brought up, but they are not in any way related to the terrorist threat that you cowards are constantly pissing yourselves over.
Think about what this guy told you. He's seen real Fascism. He has seen modern day brownshirts. He knows what Fascism is. Please think about that before you call Republicans fascist.
No, you don't really know what fascism is. Fascism is the merger of state and corporate power. So when my tax dollars are taken away and given to already massively profitable oil companies, that's fascism in action. When my tax dollars are taken away to pay companies to leave America taking away jobs, that's fascism in action. When the President makes up a bunch of bullshit about evil terrorists everywhere in order to strip rights and freedoms away from Americans and to make up a never ending war based on nothing, that's fascism in action.
Add in the fact that we are running secret prisons where those secretly arrested are taken and tortured and murdered innocent and guilty alike, and a sane person (unlike you, who is crippled by your cowardice and unable to think clearly as you demonstrated yet again here) would realize that making the real problem worse while destroying the basis of our country to pretend to address a made up problem is the actual major problem we're facing.
Of course, you're too stupid to think about the big picture and you constantly just spout the idiotic lies of this administration. You are so dumb, in fact, that you think the other poster agrees with you. He doesn't. He's talking about a completely different threat than the one you're pissing yourself over like the ignorant coward you're proven yourself repeatedly to be.
So, it's really pretty pathetic that since you're incapable of coming off looking like anything but a fool when we talk, you see somebody else disagreeing with me and feel the need to post a "me too" when you don't even understand the issues under discussion. Par for the course for you delusional scum, but just because you're consistently a cowardly fool doesn't make it ok.
I can't begin to tell you how wrong you are.
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I'm glad you didn't even try then
You are talking about a completely different issue requiring completely different solutions. You're pretty accurate as far as it goes, but that isn't at all related to the "global network of terrorists dedicated to murdering all Americans because they hate our freedom, which is a non existent boogie man and it is the made up nonsense threat which Bush and co. are using to get Americans to piss themselves and toss out the constitution.
Completely different issues.
Think of Wahabi in charge of the Islamic world. They have Iran (mostly; as bad as the Iranian government is, it could be far worse), they had Afghanistan and might well have it again. They have a shot at getting Iraq, something they didn't have five years ago.
Well, let's not forget Saudi Arabia, the ones who started Wahabiism. You did make mention of them later in your post, but it's very important to keep in mind that they are the primary driving force behind it.
The United States needs to stand by the secular governments in the Islamic world. Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the fledgling governments of Afghanistan and Iraq. It even needs to make nice with Syria, and erred badly by toppling Saddam Hussein. No matter how far they may be from our ideals of democracy, they are far better than the alternative. At the same time, we need to really demonstrate to the Muslim man on the street that we are not anti-Islam, we are only anti-radical.
Well, we need to stop standing by Saudi Arabia. Propping up brutal, murderous, oppressive regimes is how we got in this position in the first place. Invading Iraq was a complete disaster which will prevent us from being able to deal with that issue in any sort of reasonable manner since we've already pissed away any credibility we had and further we have justified the extremists. Before, a reasonable citizen of one of those countries could easily refute the extremists' arguments. Now we have lost them the ability to do that. Now, a reasonable citizen of one of those countries *knows* that we actually are out to fuck them whether or not they actually do anything wrong since we'll just make up idiotic lies and the American people will follow drooling along.
So, no, I'm not wrong. You're just bringing up a different issue.
It would be good if this topic was discussed rationally in the public sphere, but we both know that's not going to happen because the fear of the made up threat gives more power to the scum here who fully intend to make the threat as real as they can as we've seen by their constant aiding and abetting of the terrorists through active media promotion, and wars based on made up lies and nonsense.
Why not just write to Queen Pelosi and ask her what the party of hate and the party of death are going to do next? That is what the democrat party stands for after all.
Wow, a loon talking about the "party of death" with a Ronald terrorist supporting, death squad training, crack dealing, Reagan quote in his sig?!?
Wow, you wingnuts exist completely outside reality.
Do you douchebag traitors come with a disclaimer: "sanity need not apply"?
Come on, that Countdown program is just about as biased left as you can get.
You really do not have the foggiest idea what "left" and "right" mean, do you?
I guess bias for the liberal side is called news, and bias for conservatives is an outrage,
Ahhh, well you think those are synonyms for left and right, so, no, you do not have the foggiest idea what you're talking about and so sound like a typical screeching loon.
It's a good thing that Fox News exists, or there would be no conservative voices in the media at all.
Ahh, and "conservative voices" isn't identical to "fascist propaganda" as you likewise seem to think, although that's a lot closer.
Do you seriously expect anybody to treat you as anything but an annoyingly ignorant child when you can't even demonstrate the most elementary grasp of the relevant terms and concepts?
Whenever someone throws the term "facisct" around indiscriminately, you've almost certainly identified a leftist, and they are typically more authoritarian than anyone, and just as anti-constitution as they accuse their ideological opponents of being.
Duh, The right wing nutjobs *are* fascists, so they don't like to use that term as calling themselves what they are is bad for business since we did fight WW2 to end those scum. Of course both the left and the right are the enemies of liberty. The defining characteristics of each are best defined by how and why they oppose Liberalism.
That said, at the moment, there's a *war* on, one that may well last beyond my lifetime, in case some hadn't noticed. The struggle against radical Islam is the world war of our time.
No, there is no war and there is no real credible threat.
You've just proven yourself to be *exactly* the type of cowardly idiot that this administration bet their whole stake that the majority of Americans are.
You are afraid of the boogie man. It's a nonsense threat that does not exist.
Grow up, grow a pair and act like a citizen and an adult, not like the cowardly little afraid of your own shadow bitch that you've proven yourself beyond the shadow of any doubt to be.
In every war - including the Revolution - some civil liberties have been curtailed. My concern in this case is that there has been an ongoing, slow curtailment of civil liberties in lockstep with the growth of government, and it is unlikely that the government will reverse any of that unless forced to do so by the ballot box. Certainly, there is no intention of doing so, and these things go back decades before the current administration.
You're a liar. You have no such "concern" of any sort. That exact curtailment of liberties is the exact reason that this whole bullshit war scam, which you're so fucking amazingly stupid as to have bought in to, was invented to create.
So, no you're not concerned about it at all. If you were, then you'd pull your head out of your ass and notice that they go hand in hand, sold by the same scum whose delusional fantasies you're promoting at the expense of any integrity you might once have had.
Joseph Stalin, who purged religion from the state, is directly responsible for 5 to 7 million deaths, and another 30 to 60 million indirectly - meaning, with sanction through direct policy or by external forces under his approval. In totality, he alone probably accounts for more atrocities than all others of historical infamy combined.
Except you're dead wrong.
Stalin did not purge religion from the state, he merely made the communist state the new god. All of the same flaws, problems and atrocities inherent in religion were still there, he just changed "god" to "the State".
It's still a religion and as such massively damaging.
i think it's hilarious that your post got modded up, when you responded without any valid point, and told me to kill myself.
Well, except that I actually did clearly state a point. Honesty ain't one of your virtues, though apparently.
i guess we know they're evil, because they're so evil that they would have risked national security for political purposes makes perfect sense...
No, that's a circular argument and is not at all what I said.
We know that they have already risked national security for political/economic purposes many times. Given that we already know that they are the types of people who would do that and have already done that, any arguments about how they wouldn't do something for any reasons of the sort are automatically invalidated.
Huge difference, but again it requires basic simple critical thinking skills.
i don't think you should kill yourself... i value human life
So do I which is why, given how stupid and easily manipulated you are and how much death your idiocy has helped allow and promote I made the sane, decent rational decision to request that you do the one positive thing you're capable of doing to help out with the problem you helped cause through your refusal to think.
Except, ahem, a majority of the American people.
He wasn't a doddering idiot.
He certainly ended up a drooling vegetable.
You seem to even agree with that, as you feel he was far too evile to be such.
Much like the current president, he was a doddering idiot. Now, there were some very capable, very evil people in his administration who used his idiocy to engage in treason. Now, unlike most people,
I still hold him responsible because it was his responsibility. The atrocities and treason committed by his administration disgraced our nation and we're still dealing with cleaning up the mess he made.
Similar cartoonish stereotypes are thrown up to depict any current President. That's how it's always been. That's how it always will be.
Except, the Republican party has gone as far as to select cartoonish stereotypes as their candidates for decades now. No stereotypes of Bush or Reagan even do justice to how fucked up, amoral, and vile they actually are/were.
You apparently don't know what random means.
Sure I do.
I was responding to this statement by an AC...
He was talking about warrantless wiretapping, that's what I was responding to.
Right, and you responded by claiming that one of Bush's criminal programs wasn't as bad as some totally unrelated, seemingly randomly selected, type of abuse committed in other places ignoring the fact that another of Bush's criminal programs is doing exactly what you claimed his actions were not as bad as.
You brought up illegal arrests, not me. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy inherent in your statement.
Clearly the US should never ignore the Geneva Conventions, but that's outside the scope of the post that I was responding to.
Then you shouldn't have brought it up and attempted to trivialize it.
Speaking an untruth is not necessarily the same thing as lying. People may believe something that is incorrect, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, and in honestly speaking their beliefs they are mistaken but not lying.
Wrong!
Knowingly representing something as a fact when you don't have the first fucking clue whether it's true or not is a lie. Period. end of sentence.
Bush and Cheney have both done exactly that and they have also presented as facts things which the head of the fucking CIA told them not to present because it was bogus intel.
I'm totally sickened by pieces of shit like you constantly weaseling around to try and get proven scum the ability to fuck us just a little more.
A Lie is a lie is a lie and no amount of deceitful scumbaggery, and redefinitions by you will change that fact.
but how is everyone so sure that "they LIED about EVERY threat that Iraq and Saddam Hussein posed"???
do you have access to the highly classified intelligence that they received?? do you have access to classified information about what they found? tell me, what are the exact lies, and how do you know they were lies??? and please don't just say "it's general knowledge" or "where are the WMDs?"
We know that's bullshit because they would have plastered it everywhere. Obviously they know that all the decent people and even, finally, a lot of the scum see through their bullshit and we know that they have no compunctions about revealing classified information for purely political ends.
So, yes, we know they lied through their teeth. All the sane people do anyhow. Not sure exactly what the fuck is wrong with your brain that you're so entirely incapable of basic rational thought, but you should really try to get that fixed. Or kill yourself. You'd do the world a huge service that way.
Gore would have had to deal with 9/11, and probably would have invaded Afghanistan, too.
Save the delusional nonsense.
What makes you think that Gore would have systematically dismantled our anti terrorism operations in order to go after porn, which is what allowed 9/11 to succeed?
Oh that's right, he most likely wouldn't have and the attacks never would have happened swo he never would have had a reason to invade Afghanistan.
9/11 only happened due to Bush's incompetence. You look like a real piece of shit when you try and blame hypothetical Gore for things that are squarely Bush's fault. What a fucking worm.
He has not committed treason as defined in the Constitution
The fuck he hasn't.
"levying War against [the Untied States". What do you call his assaults on the constitution? That *is* levying war against the United States.
"adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort"
The entire "war on terrorism" and all the massive press and promotion that this administration has given to a fucking boogie man *is* actively giving aid and comfort to our enemies.
So, yes, Cheney is a traitor, clearly and obviously. So is anybody who supports him, for he is an enemy of this nation and they are giving him aid and support.
Again, there was no oath taken for the occasions mentioned. Four speeches and five interviews are mentioned, but again, at no time during these was he under oath.
Who gives a flying fuck whether or not he was under oath when he intentionally lied in order to fuck America.
We're talking about his multiple acts of treason, we're not talking about perjury, idiot.
Whoever modded you informative for that idiotic disinformation you spewed there are a bunch of fucking morons.