What an insulting post. But keep at it. People like you and Michael Moore lost the 2004 election for the Democrats. If you try hard enough, you can lose 2008, too.
I'm glad you noticed how insulting it was. It was intended to be. Maybe shithead will actually learn to think. I doubt it though. It's about time we actually did hold people accountable and make them embarrassed to be that fucking stupid and quit pretending it's ok that they're that dumb and acting like avoiding hurting their feelings is more important than telling the truth and being a good citizen. Bring back the stocks I say and let's publicly pelt these fucking nitwits with rotten vegetables until the shame is worse than the joy the get from ignorance.
I will lose in 2008, but I've never voted Democrat or Republican. Neither party has anything positive to offer, but that's pretty irrelevant.
I'm really confused why you think people like myself who think and pay attention were the problem with the Democrats getting elected though. I mean, sure I wouldn't vote for them, but there were plenty of people who did. Sure they were going up against religious hatred, but had they actually stood for anything they might have won. I mean given the unmitigated disaster they were running against I think you're pushing it with that.
Please give us your name and address, so we can come by and see how much spine you have.
I have plenty of spine, but that has nothing to do with the fact that I have no intention of putting my wife and family at risk to no purpose. Given that you are arguing in support of mass murdering sociopathic terrorists, you'll understand if i doubt you'd restrict yourself to attempting to hurt me when you've demonstrated your allegiance to people who have repeatedly demonstrated their belief in going after families.
How exactly would that be demonstrating spine?
Of course you won't, because you're all talk and no sack. See, if you were what you cliam to be, or expect others to be, you'd be happy to deal with the consequences of talking shit like you have.
I have no problem dealing with consequences of my actions. The consequence of my action, were you or your people decent humans, would be a loud pop as you all pulled your heads out of your asses and took a breath.
You however seem to think I deserve to be beaten or something for merely stating basic simple facts to counter your idiotic delusional statement which merely demonstrates your ignorance of the definition of the word "racism".
Now when this is coming in defense of the fucking leeches living off of my work with all their bitching about how they need to be paid subsidies for every aspect of their god damned leech-lives, it's really sad and pathetic. Now get all that Socialist bullshit out of your states and pull your own fucking weight for once and then you'll be in a position to speak that way to your betters. As it is, since I'm paying your bills for you, try showing a little respect. Oh wait, that would involve integrity. something else rednecks are totally lacking in.
But instead, you'll come up with a lame excuse, completely ignoring the fact that you were the one expecting people to "deal with the fact that actions have consequences".
Or, more likely, I'll demonstrate the idiocy of your "point".
Yeah, I guess in your twisted racist world, people who fight for their rights and the rights of their fellow man need to "learn to read, think, and stop fucking your sister".
Wow, something from ancient history which is no longer like it once was. Oh wait, I'm actually not impressed by it at all.
That was 1921, this is 2007. Now these are the people leeching off of my taxes, whining about reality and stewing in their ignorant hatred of gays.
So, sorry, but yes, those people I'm talking about need to learn to read, think, and stop fucking their sisters. The ones you're talking about are mostly dead and betrayed by their descendents.
I hope you feel like an asshole, you certainly act like one.
No, I can tell the difference between current reality and that of a hundred years ago. I'm sorry you can't, but that's really your problem and doesn't make me an asshole.
Lastly, find me a non-white redneck. Exactly.
They have them, but most are white. However, I'm white as well and I have nothing but contempt for the redneck leeches living off of my work while claiming to be capitalists, and betraying my country because they're too stupid to think and too cowardly to either admit they're wrong or to deal with the consequences of their mistakes.
Thanks for demonstrating YOUR racism too, I always knew you were a cunt, but now I have a reason beyond you being an abrasive douchebag.
Right, I'm racist against what, exactly?
I hate stupid, ignorant people regardless of color. Besides, I'm white dipshit.
I personally believed there were both noble and ignoble goals behind going to war in Iraq-
Then you're deeply ignorant and painfully naive. Wars do not happen for noble goals. Deal with that fact, and you'll be well on your way to waking up and sounding like you actually live in the real world.
I wasn't dumb enough to believe Saddam was supporting Al-Queda, or that our administration had nothing but good motives behind the invasion,
OK, but...
but I knew Saddam was a horrible monster that had been a serious threat to his neighbors and stability in the region.
So you know that the administration was lying in order to push an agenda that you knew wasn't good (or related) and yet because your enemy is pure evil, they must be pure good since they're opposing him?
Seriously, that's what you just said or close enough. Since Saddam is an "evil monster", it's ok with you to let some other evil monsters destroy America and rob it blind in order to push their own agenda which you already knew was bullshit?!?!
Dude, you are batshit fucking insane, and you are responsible for what Bush has done to this country due to your idiocy. Grow up, be a mna nad deal with that fact as opposed to whining like a little bitch about how you shouldn't be called stupid for doing stupid things.
I don't think it was unreasonable to assume that our administration was just incompetent instead of malicious.
That just proves how deeply fucking ignorant and naive you are. It is 100% unreasonable to assume something so fucking stupid when you could have just read the writings of the members of this administration, followed the money and paid attention to the hard sell and the lies at the time it was happening. That's what all the good intelligent people did, and that's why none of them supported Bush for a second. I'm sorry if you don't like it, but when you repeatedly do things that stupid, it's perfectly reasonable to call you stupid because you've proven it repeatedly.
Now most people assume our leaders are both incompetent and malicious, but early on everything could have been explained by mere stupidity.
No, it could not, under any circumstances, be explained merely by stupidity. Again, you demonstrate only your deep naivity and you total lack of understanding of either history or human nature.
When you've got hundreds of people in our government, are you telling me that they all had the same motives?
No, but that is completely irrelevant. Bush and his administration decided that we were going to war with Iraq *for their own reasons which are completely divorced from nobility of any sort*.
Do you see how easily distracted you are by irrelevancies? I'm not, and the fact that you are is a big part of your problem. Please try and fix yourself. If you are not aware of the fact that they had invading Iraq as an agenda item from day one of the administration, then you really shouldn't open your mouth. Especially when you open your mouth to try and blame everyone but hte people responsible. It's one of the most disgusting qualities shared by you fascist apologists.
Life is much simpler when all your foes are evil and stupid, and all your allies wise and good, but in reality there are plenty of malicious idiots who always hated Bush, and there were many good, intelligent people who supported him.
Yes, that's the tack taken by the Republican party these last several decades which is a big part of why were in our current situation.
However the fact is that there is not one single good, intelligent person who ever supported Bush, and pretending otherwise (most likely since you supported him at some point and are too cowardly and dishonest to deal with the consequences of your actions) makes you look either even stupider, or even less good than you already do.
Explain how it would be possible for a person who is both good and intelligent to have ever supported Bush? If they're intelligent they would have known he'd be a fucking disaster and if they were good, then his agenda of hatred and contempt wouldn't have played with them.
If they're really fucking stupid, sure. If they're intelligent and a pure sociopath sure. But if they're intelligent then they knew damn well that Bush was incompetent at everything he's ever done and that he had not one gaol that a good person could align themselves with. Now, of course, people who are too stupid to have recognized those facts do not qualify as intelligent. People who don't care because Bush was quite vocal about his hatred of gays does not qualify as good.
So, sorry, but you're dead fucking wrong.
I'd like to think that there are very few of those now
Yes, but we've already seen how insanely naive you are, so your happy fluffy bunny thoughts are pretty irrelevant (and ignorant, of course).
I find it embarrassing to watch the idiots who oppose Bush mock the intelligent people who used to support him... but I suppose they aren't smart enough to realize the damage they are doing to their own cause.
And I find it disgusting and cowardly to watch naive liars like you refuse to deal with the fact that actions have consequences. Instead you have to jump up and defend ignorant cowardly fucking traitors with really blatantly obvious lies.
Grow a spine and stand up for something worthwhile instead of defending liars, fools, and terrorists.
So, no, speaking the truth does no harm to the cause of truth which is the only one I'm on board with here. Anyone who doesn't already know that anyone who fell for Bush's transparent scam is an idiot or a sociopath isn't going to ever be convinced to change their position because that's not a position that you could reach by reason. In fact, only a complete rejection of reason and sanity could lead a person to your position.
Seriously, go ahead and try to come up with an intelligent, rational argument to support your position. You will fail absolutely as has everyone else who's tried. That's why there's such a vacuum of honesty in this administration. They have had to lie about damn near everything they've done because naive fools like you keep swallowing that shit and then spitting it back out.
So, good luck trying to sound sane with your argument. Oh, and lies don't count as rational arguments, which is a fact I'm sure your also totally clueless about.
Of course I speak my mind on a lot of issues that goes against the grain. For instance, stuff like the domestic spying- I usually point out that it is far from domestic which get troll, flame bait, and overrated modifiers all the time.
So you tell bald faced lies? OK, that's a bad thing.
It has been a situation for a while now and I have a working theory on it.
Let me guess, it has nothing to do with the fact that you're wrong yet won't quit lying, rather it's some bizarre conspiracy and has nothing to do with the real legitimate reasons?
The theory goes something like this. When we started seeing the politics sections appear (that was supposed to be temporary but stayed forever) I started seeing political motivated posts that were basically rehashes of some party line talking point getting moderated insightful while common sense posts about the topic in hand was being modded off topic, under rated or some other negetive moderation. I began watching and it appear that either an organized group or groups of people have signed up in order to press a particular view or the sites own administration is doing it to some extent.
Am I good or what?
Maybe you should look into the whole "you're a nutter" thing before you make up a bunch of crazy nonsense.
a) There's a very real danger now, as terrorists have-or-will-soon-get a nuclear bomb, and it's not a scientific exercise; it's meant for killing....probably a lot of us, in this audience living in NYC. We have to be watching.
b) I'm worn out from the tired old "Bush lied" and "We're starting a theocracy" panic lines I hear over and over. We're nowhere near that, either.
But it's interesting how, despite the fears of an potential American theocracy (from just a moment of silence or Christmas decorations) that a lot of this crowd forgets the *real* and *existing* theocracy that has us in it's sights. And we're making allowances for them- prayer rugs, permission to leave class 5 times a day, etc.
Look, I hate to break it to you but you are an ignorant cowardly fool.
Waaaaaaaa Mommmy the eval terrorists are under my bed waaaa waaaaa waaaaa.
I am so fucking sick of weak willed *cowards* like you pissing yourself in your eagerness to throw out my freedoms and all the hard work that has been done over the centuries by brave patriots (people entirely unlike you) in order to reign in the power of the government.
Oh no mommy Bush said terrorists are everywhere so I'm going to sit here and cry like a little bitch all day instead of pulling my head out of my ass and noticing that terrorism is a pretty trivial threat.
Fact: 9/11 only succeeded due to gross incompetence on the part of this administration.
You're licking the administration's asshole eagerly with this assinine, cowardly filth you're spewing.
The fears of a theocracy are very real and have nothing to do with the bullshit you made up though. So your deep hatred and contempt for honesty has been clearly noted as well. You might actually look into the intrusion of religious extremism into our government and military as well as the whole extremist creationist (ID movement) before you spout more idiotic nonsense and lies.
I'm so sick of whining cowardly pussies like yourself claiming Bush didn't lie (that's another lie on your part, pussy) and then backing his treasonous assaults on this nation.
You have proven yourself absolutely to be coward, a fool, and a traitor.
Now go STFU or maybe kill yourself. You would be doing the world a favor by eliminating one more cowardly fool.
How dare you mod e down for calling someone a racist when they are ACTUALLY EXHIBITING THEIR RACISM.
No, you're just an idiot. Redneck isn't a race. Heck there are plenty of white people who are intelligent and informed, which demonstrates quite clearly that being a redneck has nothing to do with race.
"Nigger", "Spic" and "kike" wouldn't be tolerated, but apparently it's ok to be a racist as long as it's rednecks you're racist against.
Of course not. Those are totally different things. The first three are insults about things people can't change. You can easily choose not to be a redneck. Just learn to read, think, and stop fucking your sister. The fact that those people choose to be so deeply ignorant to the point of engaging in treason by supporting Shrub means they *deserve* to be insulted. They are a disgrace to our species and our nation and they chose to be so.
Now quit being a whiny ignorant little bitch and deal with the fact that actions have consequences. Being called a fool when you're a fool is hardly much of a consequence anyhow, so grow up and get a spine.
Support for the war has risen and fallen with noble goals and complete failure to deliver, not with anything the antiwar movement has done.
So you're one of the batshit insane sorts who actually believe there were ever any noble goals? Wow, just wow it must be wild to be *that* naive. Truly amazing.
Anyone know? Is there any way for me to tell? Should I not be able to seed anything?
It depends. My wife does a lot of bittorrenting, mainly of British TV since she's from there. She was totally unable to seed any torrents she got from UKNova, which is a member only site mainly with UK residents.
She was able to seed other torrents though.
The best we figured out is that if you're seeding to other Comcast users, then there's no problem, but seeding to people on other networks is where you run into problems. So if it's a popular torrent, then odds are you'll have other Comcast users in the mix...maybe enough that you won't notice anything.
Anyhow, that's purely one anecdotal story, but that's what I'm seeing. Blocking Comcast's RST packets at my firewall seems to have fixed the issue for now though.
Actually, the problem here is if you have ever read the Bible, you were missing something.
No, the problem is that you are assuming that it must be true magically so you refuse to honestly assess it. That's merely begging the question and is a basic simple logical fallacy.
Isnt it funny though, how I dont insult your intellect because you use your free will to choose not to believe it, yet you feel the need to try to insult mine because of what I believe..
Except as is quite obvious, I did nothing of the sort.
I pointed out the fact that you demonstrated a clear lack of reading comprehension *and* critical thinking skills. You agreed after I merely copied and pasted the exact thing I'd already said after you claimed I didn't say it. That's what proved your intellect to be deserving of insult. Of course, that doesn't stop you from lying about what just happened. And we both know the bible (which you clearly don't follow) has things to say about that.
Believe in god all you want, but when you make statements which are easily demonstrated to be false, then expect to be treated as the type of person who makes statements easily demonstrated to be false. No more, no less.
Well, since you asked so politely... The Nazis adopted a great deal from the Fascists, but they chose to to co-opt and control religion and use it in their rhetoric, whereas the Fascists just tried to eliminate it. However, you don't deserve to learn any of this, because you are an uncivil ass.
Not much point in being polite to lying fools. You're thinking of the Communists though, nitwit. The Nazis didn't "coopt" religion. The holocaust was merely the implementation of the plan laid out by Martin Luther. I agree that I don't deserve to "learn" idiocy which seems to be all you have to offer.
Do us all, and especially yourself, a favor and log off of moveon.org and grow a brain. There's nothing in the above vomit that's even connected enough to reality to respond to. You are literally delusional.
I've never been to moveon.org, but I always seems to hear you wingnuts talk about it when you're unable to counter arguments so I'm not surprised.
And of course, all of those things I mentioned are what the Republican party has actively involved in lately including the topic of this very article. So clearly you are unable to address the massive obvious failings of your party so you just claim they're not actually a part of reality. That sort of delusional idiocy clearly works on you and the rest of the weak willed cowards and fools who comprise your party, but they don't work on me, Sparky.
The Libertarian party is far better than the Democrats, but they tend to have certain extreme and untenable views, for example on foreign policy. Obviously not all Republicans are great, but all the competent thinkers are Republicans, including Bush, Cheney, Fred Thompson, and others.
They're also far better than the Republicans. Hell, the Democrats are better than the Republicans at fiscal responsibility (and have been for decades since that cunt Reagan) and that fact makes the Republicans truly pathetic.
Oh, competent thinkers? You truly are a pathetic troll.
Bush was elected entirely because he hates fags? I'm completely seriously when I say that I think you need mental help. Look into it.
Yes, absolutely. Exit polls showed overwhelmingly that support for him was largely based on his hatred of gays. Given that the elections were so close, that made all the difference.
Come now, what else did he have going for him? A record of incompetence, drug addled drunkenness and cowardice?
So, seriously now run along little idiotic troll. I've fed you far too much.
Ummmm ok... but im still waiting on these mythical contradictions..... I googled for some, so far none that were legit.
Well, somebody else mentioned that.
Given your already clearly demonstrated lack of reasoning skills, I'd bet that they actually were legitimate and you just don't get it. Just like what happened here. There are so freaking many, that had you actually ever read the bible you'd have a hard time missing them.
I have not seen that shot down... but with that logic.. I say darwins theory was shot down!
Dude, you just did see it shot down.
here we go again: "you're assuming all of that *plus* a magical invisible fairy."
See, that absolutely does shut down your idiotic statement. If you don't get it, try taking a logic class or learning to think. It's not because I say so, that is rock solid *proof* that your argument in complete crap.
First, a brief history lesson. One of the central tenets of fascism was the abolition of religious institutions and the formation of a secular state. So "fascist theocracy" is an oxymoron.
I have no interest in history "lessons" from fools. You've proven yourself to be one. If that idiotic nonsense you spewed were anything approaching sane, then explain the extremist Christianity of Nazi Germany, including "gott mit uns" on all of the freaking uniforms.
Republicans want the opposite. The most "extreme" of us even want to restore religious freedom to schools. The thing that Republicans have most in common is a desire to return to an adherence to the Constitution.
Bullshit, you idiot. If that were true, then the Republicans wouldn't be the biggest big government party, now would they? They wouldn't Have needed to pass laws retroactively excusing those complicit in their treason, now would they? They wouldn't be trying to shove religion everywhere, now would they? They wouldn't declare large chunks of the bill of rights null and void such as the topic of this article, now would they? Look, I know you're a deeply ignorant fool who hates the idea of thinking and just spouts lies you hear from the very people using you to fuck your country, so there's no need to make it any more obvious.
So saying that we're "dedicated to destroying everything America stands for" is kind of insane.
No, it just involves understanding that actions speak louder than words. You're claiming that America stands for imposing religious rule, making up lies in order to justify invading foreign nations in order to rob the American people in order to grow the government and give handouts to large corporations so they don't have to bother competing. So, yes, you do sound insane because you can't seem to tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
We're only dedicated to destroying the cancer that has been eating away at the Constitutional form of government from within the Judicial and Legislative branches for the last hundred years and more.
Bullshit you idiotic moron. That would be the Libertarian party. All the people who want that left the Republican party a long fucking time ago. I mean seriously nitwit, Reagan put FDR to shame in growing the government and Bush might well top Reagan. Try thinking instead of repeating the *very fucking obvious* lies of politicians.
The Republican party stands for corporate welfare and religious extremism and that's it. Why do you think Bush was elected entirely becasue he hates fags? Seriously, moron, try thinking and do some god damned research. Don't just keep spouting easily refuted idiocy. You just look dumber all the time.
Also, its takes a heck of a lot more faith to believe some single cell came out of nowhere, grew, became more complex, and ended up evolving into all the living creations we see now than it does to believe in a single God, a creator.
No, because you're assuming all of that *plus* a magical invisible fairy.
So, no, it takes much more faith to believe in god since that is just an extra thing to throw on top which adds nothing to the discussion.
It's not even a nice try since that idiotic statement has been shot down so many times.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Right, which is why we still have loons talking to the voices in their heads no matter how many gods we go through and how many times they turn out to be delusions or outright scams?
I hope you enjoy extremely hot places and anguish.
It's not yet time to use force (I think there is still time to change things by voting),
Well, on that point we disagree. Who out of the current crop of candidates who even has a snowball's chance in hell even sounds sane? They're all trying to up the ante on the war on abstract concepts and in increasing the police state. None of them are being sane and pointing out that it's all a bunch of crap that needs to be dismantled and those responsible held accountable. And no one who was sane or honest would stand a chance becasue the3 media would fucking slaughter them. It's been far too late for voting to do anything for a long time.
and the poster singles out Republicans when the Democrats are just as bad or even worse.
I singled them out because your statement that the Dems are just as bad or worse is complete lunacy. The Democrats are disorganized, incompetent idiots. The Republicans are organized, competent and extremely dedicated to destroying everything America stands for in order to install a fascist theocracy. Anybody who supports the Republcans and doesn't want exactly that is either a liar or a fool. Claiming that the Democrats have as bad of ideas as the Republicans would be more defensible, but still wrong, however they aren't competent enough to get them done.
Reminds me of the article on beavers where somebody kept putting in something like "Beavers devour people with their powerful fangs. They are the most dangerous animals alive."
You mean where somebody kept removing that critical piece of information about those savage creatures?
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What an insulting post. But keep at it. People like you and Michael Moore lost the 2004 election for the Democrats. If you try hard enough, you can lose 2008, too.
I'm glad you noticed how insulting it was. It was intended to be. Maybe shithead will actually learn to think. I doubt it though.
It's about time we actually did hold people accountable and make them embarrassed to be that fucking stupid and quit pretending it's ok that they're that dumb and acting like avoiding hurting their feelings is more important than telling the truth and being a good citizen.
Bring back the stocks I say and let's publicly pelt these fucking nitwits with rotten vegetables until the shame is worse than the joy the get from ignorance.
I will lose in 2008, but I've never voted Democrat or Republican.
Neither party has anything positive to offer, but that's pretty irrelevant.
I'm really confused why you think people like myself who think and pay attention were the problem with the Democrats getting elected though. I mean, sure I wouldn't vote for them, but there were plenty of people who did. Sure they were going up against religious hatred, but had they actually stood for anything they might have won. I mean given the unmitigated disaster they were running against I think you're pushing it with that.
Please give us your name and address, so we can come by and see how much spine you have.
I have plenty of spine, but that has nothing to do with the fact that I have no intention of putting my wife and family at risk to no purpose. Given that you are arguing in support of mass murdering sociopathic terrorists, you'll understand if i doubt you'd restrict yourself to attempting to hurt me when you've demonstrated your allegiance to people who have repeatedly demonstrated their belief in going after families.
How exactly would that be demonstrating spine?
Of course you won't, because you're all talk and no sack. See, if you were what you cliam to be, or expect others to be, you'd be happy to deal with the consequences of talking shit like you have.
I have no problem dealing with consequences of my actions. The consequence of my action, were you or your people decent humans, would be a loud pop as you all pulled your heads out of your asses and took a breath.
You however seem to think I deserve to be beaten or something for merely stating basic simple facts to counter your idiotic delusional statement which merely demonstrates your ignorance of the definition of the word "racism".
Now when this is coming in defense of the fucking leeches living off of my work with all their bitching about how they need to be paid subsidies for every aspect of their god damned leech-lives, it's really sad and pathetic.
Now get all that Socialist bullshit out of your states and pull your own fucking weight for once and then you'll be in a position to speak that way to your betters. As it is, since I'm paying your bills for you, try showing a little respect. Oh wait, that would involve integrity. something else rednecks are totally lacking in.
But instead, you'll come up with a lame excuse, completely ignoring the fact that you were the one expecting people to "deal with the fact that actions have consequences".
Or, more likely, I'll demonstrate the idiocy of your "point".
Yeah, I guess in your twisted racist world, people who fight for their rights and the rights of their fellow man need to "learn to read, think, and stop fucking your sister".
Wow, something from ancient history which is no longer like it once was.
Oh wait, I'm actually not impressed by it at all.
That was 1921, this is 2007. Now these are the people leeching off of my taxes, whining about reality and stewing in their ignorant hatred of gays.
So, sorry, but yes, those people I'm talking about need to learn to read, think, and stop fucking their sisters.
The ones you're talking about are mostly dead and betrayed by their descendents.
I hope you feel like an asshole, you certainly act like one.
No, I can tell the difference between current reality and that of a hundred years ago. I'm sorry you can't, but that's really your problem and doesn't make me an asshole.
Lastly, find me a non-white redneck. Exactly.
They have them, but most are white. However, I'm white as well and I have nothing but contempt for the redneck leeches living off of my work while claiming to be capitalists, and betraying my country because they're too stupid to think and too cowardly to either admit they're wrong or to deal with the consequences of their mistakes.
Thanks for demonstrating YOUR racism too, I always knew you were a cunt, but now I have a reason beyond you being an abrasive douchebag.
Right, I'm racist against what, exactly?
I hate stupid, ignorant people regardless of color.
Besides, I'm white dipshit.
I bet that you're one of those people who insists on acknowledging Highlander 2...
Damn, Dude. That was harsh
I personally believed there were both noble and ignoble goals behind going to war in Iraq-
Then you're deeply ignorant and painfully naive. Wars do not happen for noble goals. Deal with that fact, and you'll be well on your way to waking up and sounding like you actually live in the real world.
I wasn't dumb enough to believe Saddam was supporting Al-Queda, or that our administration had nothing but good motives behind the invasion,
OK, but...
but I knew Saddam was a horrible monster that had been a serious threat to his neighbors and stability in the region.
So you know that the administration was lying in order to push an agenda that you knew wasn't good (or related) and yet because your enemy is pure evil, they must be pure good since they're opposing him?
Seriously, that's what you just said or close enough.
Since Saddam is an "evil monster", it's ok with you to let some other evil monsters destroy America and rob it blind in order to push their own agenda which you already knew was bullshit?!?!
Dude, you are batshit fucking insane, and you are responsible for what Bush has done to this country due to your idiocy. Grow up, be a mna nad deal with that fact as opposed to whining like a little bitch about how you shouldn't be called stupid for doing stupid things.
I don't think it was unreasonable to assume that our administration was just incompetent instead of malicious.
That just proves how deeply fucking ignorant and naive you are. It is 100% unreasonable to assume something so fucking stupid when you could have just read the writings of the members of this administration, followed the money and paid attention to the hard sell and the lies at the time it was happening. That's what all the good intelligent people did, and that's why none of them supported Bush for a second. I'm sorry if you don't like it, but when you repeatedly do things that stupid, it's perfectly reasonable to call you stupid because you've proven it repeatedly.
Now most people assume our leaders are both incompetent and malicious, but early on everything could have been explained by mere stupidity.
No, it could not, under any circumstances, be explained merely by stupidity. Again, you demonstrate only your deep naivity and you total lack of understanding of either history or human nature.
When you've got hundreds of people in our government, are you telling me that they all had the same motives?
No, but that is completely irrelevant. Bush and his administration decided that we were going to war with Iraq *for their own reasons which are completely divorced from nobility of any sort*.
Do you see how easily distracted you are by irrelevancies? I'm not, and the fact that you are is a big part of your problem. Please try and fix yourself.
If you are not aware of the fact that they had invading Iraq as an agenda item from day one of the administration, then you really shouldn't open your mouth. Especially when you open your mouth to try and blame everyone but hte people responsible. It's one of the most disgusting qualities shared by you fascist apologists.
Life is much simpler when all your foes are evil and stupid, and all your allies wise and good, but in reality there are plenty of malicious idiots who always hated Bush, and there were many good, intelligent people who supported him.
Yes, that's the tack taken by the Republican party these last several decades which is a big part of why were in our current situation.
However the fact is that there is not one single good, intelligent person who ever supported Bush, and pretending otherwise (most likely since you supported him at some point and are too cowardly and dishonest to deal with the consequences of your actions) makes you look either even stupider, or even less good than you already do.
Explain how it would be possible for a person who is both good and intelligent to have ever supported Bush? If they're intelligent they would have known he'd be a fucking disaster and if they were good, then his agenda of hatred and contempt wouldn't have played with them.
If they're really fucking stupid, sure. If they're intelligent and a pure sociopath sure. But if they're intelligent then they knew damn well that Bush was incompetent at everything he's ever done and that he had not one gaol that a good person could align themselves with.
Now, of course, people who are too stupid to have recognized those facts do not qualify as intelligent. People who don't care because Bush was quite vocal about his hatred of gays does not qualify as good.
So, sorry, but you're dead fucking wrong.
I'd like to think that there are very few of those now
Yes, but we've already seen how insanely naive you are, so your happy fluffy bunny thoughts are pretty irrelevant (and ignorant, of course).
I find it embarrassing to watch the idiots who oppose Bush mock the intelligent people who used to support him... but I suppose they aren't smart enough to realize the damage they are doing to their own cause.
And I find it disgusting and cowardly to watch naive liars like you refuse to deal with the fact that actions have consequences. Instead you have to jump up and defend ignorant cowardly fucking traitors with really blatantly obvious lies.
Grow a spine and stand up for something worthwhile instead of defending liars, fools, and terrorists.
So, no, speaking the truth does no harm to the cause of truth which is the only one I'm on board with here. Anyone who doesn't already know that anyone who fell for Bush's transparent scam is an idiot or a sociopath isn't going to ever be convinced to change their position because that's not a position that you could reach by reason. In fact, only a complete rejection of reason and sanity could lead a person to your position.
Seriously, go ahead and try to come up with an intelligent, rational argument to support your position. You will fail absolutely as has everyone else who's tried. That's why there's such a vacuum of honesty in this administration. They have had to lie about damn near everything they've done because naive fools like you keep swallowing that shit and then spitting it back out.
So, good luck trying to sound sane with your argument. Oh, and lies don't count as rational arguments, which is a fact I'm sure your also totally clueless about.
Of course I speak my mind on a lot of issues that goes against the grain. For instance, stuff like the domestic spying- I usually point out that it is far from domestic which get troll, flame bait, and overrated modifiers all the time.
So you tell bald faced lies? OK, that's a bad thing.
It has been a situation for a while now and I have a working theory on it.
Let me guess, it has nothing to do with the fact that you're wrong yet won't quit lying, rather it's some bizarre conspiracy and has nothing to do with the real legitimate reasons?
The theory goes something like this. When we started seeing the politics sections appear (that was supposed to be temporary but stayed forever) I started seeing political motivated posts that were basically rehashes of some party line talking point getting moderated insightful while common sense posts about the topic in hand was being modded off topic, under rated or some other negetive moderation. I began watching and it appear that either an organized group or groups of people have signed up in order to press a particular view or the sites own administration is doing it to some extent.
Am I good or what?
Maybe you should look into the whole "you're a nutter" thing before you make up a bunch of crazy nonsense.
a) There's a very real danger now, as terrorists have-or-will-soon-get a nuclear bomb, and it's not a scientific exercise; it's meant for killing....probably a lot of us, in this audience living in NYC. We have to be watching.
b) I'm worn out from the tired old "Bush lied" and "We're starting a theocracy" panic lines I hear over and over. We're nowhere near that, either.
But it's interesting how, despite the fears of an potential American theocracy (from just a moment of silence or Christmas decorations) that a lot of this crowd forgets the *real* and *existing* theocracy that has us in it's sights. And we're making allowances for them- prayer rugs, permission to leave class 5 times a day, etc.
Look, I hate to break it to you but you are an ignorant cowardly fool.
Waaaaaaaa Mommmy the eval terrorists are under my bed waaaa waaaaa waaaaa.
I am so fucking sick of weak willed *cowards* like you pissing yourself in your eagerness to throw out my freedoms and all the hard work that has been done over the centuries by brave patriots (people entirely unlike you) in order to reign in the power of the government.
Oh no mommy Bush said terrorists are everywhere so I'm going to sit here and cry like a little bitch all day instead of pulling my head out of my ass and noticing that terrorism is a pretty trivial threat.
Fact: 9/11 only succeeded due to gross incompetence on the part of this administration.
You're licking the administration's asshole eagerly with this assinine, cowardly filth you're spewing.
The fears of a theocracy are very real and have nothing to do with the bullshit you made up though. So your deep hatred and contempt for honesty has been clearly noted as well. You might actually look into the intrusion of religious extremism into our government and military as well as the whole extremist creationist (ID movement) before you spout more idiotic nonsense and lies.
I'm so sick of whining cowardly pussies like yourself claiming Bush didn't lie (that's another lie on your part, pussy) and then backing his treasonous assaults on this nation.
You have proven yourself absolutely to be coward, a fool, and a traitor.
Now go STFU or maybe kill yourself. You would be doing the world a favor by eliminating one more cowardly fool.
How dare you mod e down for calling someone a racist when they are ACTUALLY EXHIBITING THEIR RACISM.
No, you're just an idiot. Redneck isn't a race. Heck there are plenty of white people who are intelligent and informed, which demonstrates quite clearly that being a redneck has nothing to do with race.
"Nigger", "Spic" and "kike" wouldn't be tolerated, but apparently it's ok to be a racist as long as it's rednecks you're racist against.
Of course not. Those are totally different things. The first three are insults about things people can't change. You can easily choose not to be a redneck. Just learn to read, think, and stop fucking your sister. The fact that those people choose to be so deeply ignorant to the point of engaging in treason by supporting Shrub means they *deserve* to be insulted. They are a disgrace to our species and our nation and they chose to be so.
Now quit being a whiny ignorant little bitch and deal with the fact that actions have consequences. Being called a fool when you're a fool is hardly much of a consequence anyhow, so grow up and get a spine.
Support for the war has risen and fallen with noble goals and complete failure to deliver, not with anything the antiwar movement has done.
So you're one of the batshit insane sorts who actually believe there were ever any noble goals? Wow, just wow it must be wild to be *that* naive. Truly amazing.
Anyone know? Is there any way for me to tell? Should I not be able to seed anything?
It depends. My wife does a lot of bittorrenting, mainly of British TV since she's from there. She was totally unable to seed any torrents she got from UKNova, which is a member only site mainly with UK residents.
She was able to seed other torrents though.
The best we figured out is that if you're seeding to other Comcast users, then there's no problem, but seeding to people on other networks is where you run into problems. So if it's a popular torrent, then odds are you'll have other Comcast users in the mix...maybe enough that you won't notice anything.
Anyhow, that's purely one anecdotal story, but that's what I'm seeing. Blocking Comcast's RST packets at my firewall seems to have fixed the issue for now though.
Hillary is a Warhawk
Warhawk, or Chickenhawk? Seems the latter would be more appropriate.
Actually, the problem here is if you have ever read the Bible, you were missing something.
No, the problem is that you are assuming that it must be true magically so you refuse to honestly assess it. That's merely begging the question and is a basic simple logical fallacy.
Isnt it funny though, how I dont insult your intellect because you use your free will to choose not
to believe it, yet you feel the need to try to insult mine because of what I believe..
Except as is quite obvious, I did nothing of the sort.
I pointed out the fact that you demonstrated a clear lack of reading comprehension *and* critical thinking skills. You agreed after I merely copied and pasted the exact thing I'd already said after you claimed I didn't say it. That's what proved your intellect to be deserving of insult. Of course, that doesn't stop you from lying about what just happened. And we both know the bible (which you clearly don't follow) has things to say about that.
Believe in god all you want, but when you make statements which are easily demonstrated to be false, then expect to be treated as the type of person who makes statements easily demonstrated to be false. No more, no less.
Well, since you asked so politely... The Nazis adopted a great deal from the Fascists, but they chose to to co-opt and control religion and use it in their rhetoric, whereas the Fascists just tried to eliminate it. However, you don't deserve to learn any of this, because you are an uncivil ass.
Not much point in being polite to lying fools.
You're thinking of the Communists though, nitwit. The Nazis didn't "coopt" religion. The holocaust was merely the implementation of the plan laid out by Martin Luther.
I agree that I don't deserve to "learn" idiocy which seems to be all you have to offer.
Do us all, and especially yourself, a favor and log off of moveon.org and grow a brain. There's nothing in the above vomit that's even connected enough to reality to respond to. You are literally delusional.
I've never been to moveon.org, but I always seems to hear you wingnuts talk about it when you're unable to counter arguments so I'm not surprised.
And of course, all of those things I mentioned are what the Republican party has actively involved in lately including the topic of this very article. So clearly you are unable to address the massive obvious failings of your party so you just claim they're not actually a part of reality.
That sort of delusional idiocy clearly works on you and the rest of the weak willed cowards and fools who comprise your party, but they don't work on me, Sparky.
The Libertarian party is far better than the Democrats, but they tend to have certain extreme and untenable views, for example on foreign policy. Obviously not all Republicans are great, but all the competent thinkers are Republicans, including Bush, Cheney, Fred Thompson, and others.
They're also far better than the Republicans. Hell, the Democrats are better than the Republicans at fiscal responsibility (and have been for decades since that cunt Reagan) and that fact makes the Republicans truly pathetic.
Oh, competent thinkers? You truly are a pathetic troll.
Bush was elected entirely because he hates fags? I'm completely seriously when I say that I think you need mental help. Look into it.
Yes, absolutely. Exit polls showed overwhelmingly that support for him was largely based on his hatred of gays. Given that the elections were so close, that made all the difference.
Come now, what else did he have going for him? A record of incompetence, drug addled drunkenness and cowardice?
So, seriously now run along little idiotic troll. I've fed you far too much.
Ummmm ok... but im still waiting on these mythical contradictions..... I googled for some, so far none that were legit.
Well, somebody else mentioned that.
Given your already clearly demonstrated lack of reasoning skills, I'd bet that they actually were legitimate and you just don't get it. Just like what happened here. There are so freaking many, that had you actually ever read the bible you'd have a hard time missing them.
I have not seen that shot down... but with that logic.. I say darwins theory was shot down!
Dude, you just did see it shot down.
here we go again: "you're assuming all of that *plus* a magical invisible fairy."
See, that absolutely does shut down your idiotic statement. If you don't get it, try taking a logic class or learning to think. It's not because I say so, that is rock solid *proof* that your argument in complete crap.
First, a brief history lesson. One of the central tenets of fascism was the abolition of religious institutions and the formation of a secular state. So "fascist theocracy" is an oxymoron.
I have no interest in history "lessons" from fools. You've proven yourself to be one.
If that idiotic nonsense you spewed were anything approaching sane, then explain the extremist Christianity of Nazi Germany, including "gott mit uns" on all of the freaking uniforms.
Republicans want the opposite. The most "extreme" of us even want to restore religious freedom to schools. The thing that Republicans have most in common is a desire to return to an adherence to the Constitution.
Bullshit, you idiot. If that were true, then the Republicans wouldn't be the biggest big government party, now would they? They wouldn't Have needed to pass laws retroactively excusing those complicit in their treason, now would they? They wouldn't be trying to shove religion everywhere, now would they? They wouldn't declare large chunks of the bill of rights null and void such as the topic of this article, now would they?
Look, I know you're a deeply ignorant fool who hates the idea of thinking and just spouts lies you hear from the very people using you to fuck your country, so there's no need to make it any more obvious.
So saying that we're "dedicated to destroying everything America stands for" is kind of insane.
No, it just involves understanding that actions speak louder than words. You're claiming that America stands for imposing religious rule, making up lies in order to justify invading foreign nations in order to rob the American people in order to grow the government and give handouts to large corporations so they don't have to bother competing. So, yes, you do sound insane because you can't seem to tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
We're only dedicated to destroying the cancer that has been eating away at the Constitutional form of government from within the Judicial and Legislative branches for the last hundred years and more.
Bullshit you idiotic moron. That would be the Libertarian party. All the people who want that left the Republican party a long fucking time ago.
I mean seriously nitwit, Reagan put FDR to shame in growing the government and Bush might well top Reagan.
Try thinking instead of repeating the *very fucking obvious* lies of politicians.
The Republican party stands for corporate welfare and religious extremism and that's it. Why do you think Bush was elected entirely becasue he hates fags? Seriously, moron, try thinking and do some god damned research. Don't just keep spouting easily refuted idiocy. You just look dumber all the time.
Also, its takes a heck of a lot more faith to believe some single cell came out of nowhere, grew, became more complex, and ended up evolving into all the living creations we see now than it does to believe in a single God, a creator.
No, because you're assuming all of that *plus* a magical invisible fairy.
So, no, it takes much more faith to believe in god since that is just an extra thing to throw on top which adds nothing to the discussion.
It's not even a nice try since that idiotic statement has been shot down so many times.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Right, which is why we still have loons talking to the voices in their heads no matter how many gods we go through and how many times they turn out to be delusions or outright scams?
I hope you enjoy extremely hot places and anguish.
Right, loons like you.
It's not yet time to use force (I think there is still time to change things by voting),
Well, on that point we disagree. Who out of the current crop of candidates who even has a snowball's chance in hell even sounds sane? They're all trying to up the ante on the war on abstract concepts and in increasing the police state. None of them are being sane and pointing out that it's all a bunch of crap that needs to be dismantled and those responsible held accountable. And no one who was sane or honest would stand a chance becasue the3 media would fucking slaughter them. It's been far too late for voting to do anything for a long time.
and the poster singles out Republicans when the Democrats are just as bad or even worse.
I singled them out because your statement that the Dems are just as bad or worse is complete lunacy. The Democrats are disorganized, incompetent idiots. The Republicans are organized, competent and extremely dedicated to destroying everything America stands for in order to install a fascist theocracy. Anybody who supports the Republcans and doesn't want exactly that is either a liar or a fool. Claiming that the Democrats have as bad of ideas as the Republicans would be more defensible, but still wrong, however they aren't competent enough to get them done.
Open season on Republican.
Kill every one of the cowardly treasonous bastards.
Ahhh, cool. Then I'm glad I ended my post with a question mark rather than a "you idiot" or something ;-)
We're talking about California and you're talking about Minnesota. Try and keep up now.
You'd think they'd schedule the backup overnight so as to inconvenience the least number of people.
Plus it's under much less load then.
Reminds me of the article on beavers where somebody kept putting in something like "Beavers devour people with their powerful fangs. They are the most dangerous animals alive."
You mean where somebody kept removing that critical piece of information about those savage creatures?