Dude! You are taking things way to seriously. I don't take software seriously when I'm not getting paid to write it. I use whatever software gets the job done and some software is worth paying for. Stop getting all worked up about Open Source software and all that GNU crap. It's really not worth getting mad about.
Do you want to get worked up about something? How about government corruption, crime, poverty or pollution?
I'm enjoying my time off from work but I assume that you are at work posting on slashdot. Get back to work before you boss sees you and stop ragging on me for having some fun in the afternoon on my day off. I did not have internet while I was visiting family over the Christmas holidays.
You're in slightly deeper shit than you know. I'm my own boss, I work 18 hours a day, I have internet 24 hours per day, and I work from home...in my other desktop, where this discussion is providing some diversion while I wait for my 3D images to finish rendering and my source to compile.
"Worked up"? YOU'RE the one who came in here BITCHING ABOUT OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE! I'm just calmly telling you to either go work on it yourself, or shut your yap. But since you just flat out admitted that you have absolutely nothing better to do with your time, that explains a lot. Ah, well. New Year's is almost upon us. You're bound to get a date in the next 24 hours somehow...
For one, even on Windows, it uses multiple windows for the same app. That doesn't make ANY sense from a UI perspective
You know, I'm sure crosses make NO SENSE AT ALL to Islams. The multiple windows thing makes perfect sense in a GNU/Linux desktop, where there's no reason to have more than one program open on a desktop at a time, because you can have HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of desktops and switch between them with a keypress. This feature has been built into Unix even before Richard Stallman's time...even the console level can have multiple logins and shell sessions. It's not GNU/Linux's fault that Microsoft refuses to give it's users the same convenience.
Where's the one step photo fix?
Um, the whole "Filters" menu is single-step fixes.
Colour balancing?
Filters>Color>Map>[any of the dozen or so entries here]
How do I even draw a straight line?
Hold down the shift key while you move the mouse. With a drawing tool, of course.
doesn't have any simple steps in order to do so.
I don't know how foolproof we have to make this; how good a fool are you? I found Gimp to be the easiest program I've ever used. The first thing I did was right-click on the canvas, and a whole menu popped up with every single function in it. I explored the menu entries one by one and experimented with everything.
For me, it is nothing more than a curiosity at the moment that I cannot use for any real work, and that's kinda sad, as I'd love to have a good open source program for that sort of stuff.
Your problems are SOLVED! HERE is the magic link: http://developer.gimp.org/ where you can go sign up for the Gimp development team and become one of the fine developers shaping the future destiny of the Gimp! I have arranged this exciting opportunity for you because I knew how it meant so much to you. I took the liberty of notifying them that they should do nothing else until you reported for duty, because you're the posse that's going to ride over the hill and save their ass. Don't thank me. Just get busy and PUT THOSE GREAT IDEAS INTO PRACTICE!!!
Can you change the space time continuum to give people like me more time per week? I've already got a 40+ hour developer job and a hobby as a vocalist. I don't have the time or energy to write software on my own time. There is more to life than software. I'd rather go home from a bar/club with some hot chick than sit in front of a keyboard coding on my time off.
No, you have to change your own space/time continuum. That's what the people who work on the Gimp do so they can work on the project, since they also work/have hobbies/get laid/etc. No, there is NOTHING more important in life than software. That's obvious from the way you hang out on Slashdot bitching about it non-stop. Incidentally, most C++ functions have fewer lines than the volumous quantities of bullshit I've seen under your user-nick in this thread alone.
I cannot post links to any programs that I've written designed because all my programs belong to my employer and they are not accessible to the general public.
That's because you were PAID for it.
my UI's are scrutinized by project champions, end users (through UAT sessions) and our internal QA department.
Because they were PAID to do it.
because of changing corporate colours/branding.
Corporations GET PAID. Linux is not a corporation. Neither is GNU. As in "GNU Image Manipulation Program".
At home, I use programs which I find usable.
Let me guess. You PAID for them.
I use desktop backgrounds that I like and some of them were created by me but I don't discriminate.
Because...no, hey, wait: SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR!!! OK, and I bet your desktop art can hold it's own with da Vinci, Rembrandt, and Picasso, no? Or is it just "good enough for you"? So, if you share it with anybody else, and they say "This sucks!", your reaction is to shrug and say, "Well, guess you'll have to use something else, then.", isn't it? Because you do the best you can, and your best is usually satisfactory to you, but you don't CLAIM to be on a par with the great art masters of the world, so whose business is it if you aren't?
Likewise, Gimp comes with no guarantees. A few people (or person...I think I must be the only one, sometimes) have no problem with the interface at all. But Gimp doesn't advertise itself to be a Photoshop clone, or any other wonderful thing at all. The developers do all they can with what they've got, and it's good enough for some people. It's NOT the only option, not even for image manipulation programs that run on Linux/Unix/POSIX platforms.
But now they've got YOU: http://developer.gimp.org/ Because you're going right to this link to sign up to work on the developer team immediately, right? Because you cared so much to rag on other's work in public, I'm sure you care enough to BECOME one of the development team and put your fantastic ideas into practice, right? Otherwise, you would have found no reason to complain.
http://developer.gimp.org/ Sign up and volunteer! I want to see EVERY SINGLE NAME in here that posted with a flame about the Gimp on the development team and working their asses off to patch in all the improvements they've so generously suggested. I await the products of your labor.
Well spoken! But you forgot the link to the Gimp developer site: http://developer.gimp.org/. Because I'm sure the usual crowd of Slashdotters who rag on the Gimp are just DYING to dive in and work on it themselves, because why else would they care so much that they flame like Puff'n'Stuff in here about it?
OK, post a link to a program you've written. Remember, I expect to hold it up before the ENTIRE WORLD, and not ONE PERSON should be able to find ANY FAULT WITH IT AT ALL. And you have to have done it for free, of course.
PS I like using the programs that *I* write, and I use the desktop backgrounds that *I* draw, and I *offer* them to others only on the off-chance that they'll either (a) enjoy them as well, or (b) use them as a starting point to do better. But now, I'll just twiddle my thumbs and wait on you with everything for "expert UI design" advice. When can I expect you? Monday morning at 8 am sharp? I have at least ten projects on my desk awaiting your improvements.
I believe what the parent is trying to say is that a lot of open source software (cross-platform or linux specific) has major usability issues and looks absolutely horrible. We are not living in the 1990's anymore people. Just because your software is open source, it does not mean you should do a halfassed job. Take pride in your work or don't bother doing it at all.
The hubris is absolutely breath-taking. So, you're the new CEO of Open Source? We await your considerable financial investment. PS actually, *I'm* the CEO of Open Source. I think they're doing a spectacular job. I tell them not to listen to you. Which is a good thing, because they're working to please people like me, not assholes like you.
I have worked on products where the marketing teem has spent, literally, millions of dollars in market research and consulting fees to come up with a product name. This happens all the time.
Open Source is done by people working for free. Not "millions of dollars", but free. And it's given away for free. Not "millions of dollars", but free. And you get it by visiting the site and downloading it. Open Source doesn't spam your inbox, interrupt the Superbowl with a commercial for it, post billboards over your freeway commute, or buy time on the radio to sell itself to you. The whole "marketing" CONCEPT is alien to Open Source, and in addition is directly opposed to every single thing that Open Source stands for. Geeks "don't get" this because nobody asked you. And until YOU (a) produce YOUR OWN Open Source program for free and give it away for free while enacting all of your fantastic ideas, or (b) offer to DONATE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS so that Open Source can hire that team of market research consultants for it, there isn't a damn reason why they - or anybody else - should.
Your statement is so ignorant, there must not only be empty space between your ears, but a black hole sufficient to bend space at a ninety degree angle around you for ten miles' radius.
A bunch of geeks think they know something about graphic design and decide to make a program that will fullfill graphics designers' needs.
Well, with what program did this happen? Because the Gimp, as is the case with all Open Source, was started when a bunch of geeks though they knew something about graphic design and decided to make a program that would fulfill THEIR NEEDS. Then somebody got curious and said, "Whatcha got there?" and we said, "It's nothing, really, just a hobby project I like to tinker with." and they went, "Well what is it?", and we said, "You really won't like it, you like Photoshop.", and they said, "Come on, share it! I want it!" and we said, "OK, here you go, but it's still beta!" and that's where we're at now.
Remind me to graciously accept an invitation to your house so I can complain about your feckless housekeeping, your ugly spouse, and your hideous kids before pissing on the carpet and leaving via kicking out the window.
It has all the ability to take over the graphics design business and that's some of the most entrenched markets of adobe. If only the name weren't turning people off:(
I would have thought that your post should have had so much more merit, but your screen name of "Saven Marek" turned me off, so I decided you're trolling.
If the Open Source programs had more recognizable names, they would have more traction.
If pigs had wings, they could fly. What's your point? Who are you to define the goal for the open-source movement that it's mission in life is to have more traction? How many Open Source contributions have we seen from you, anyway? Maybe open source is different. Maybe it got here in the first place through being different. Maybe if it was all marketing and no substance, it wouldn't be as good as it is. Perhaps, since the programmer/development team who wrote it named it, we should care less about how demographically marketed the name is and care more about the skill with which it is designed. WHEN will people get the idea that Open Source IS NOT A CORPORATION, HAS NO STOCKHOLDERS, DOES NOT ADVERTIZE ON TV DURING THE SUPERBOWL, IS NOT ABOUT "SELLING" ITSELF. Open Source was, in fact, started in direct reaction against the very product of companies which would devote 99% of their effort to marketing and 1% to producing something worthwhile.
What we of the Open Source community need to do is declare it dead, tell the world we quit, go into hiding, wait five years, and then start writing our programs again in secret and trading it only amongst ourselves so that blowhards like you can't jam your probiscus into the middle of it and tell us what to do. Because *this* is what we get for sharing. Does that sound better?
I'm not trolling, I love Free Software and have a soft spot for the GIMP especially, but this says a lot about the user base.
NOTE: When you have to follow your post with a disclaimer about how you're not trolling, love free software, and like the Gimp, you (a) are too, (b) do not, and (c) are full of it.
It's called the "GNU Image Manipulation Program", the name is even more specific than Photoshop. I think that the developers should do a special 1 off release named "Get over it or suck cock you whining losers", in recognition of retards like you.
Most sensible words spoken in this thread I've read, yet, inflamatory or no. The answer to the age-old question "What's in a Name?" is obviously "A hell of a lot less than people want it to have." What, are you telling me if Gimp changed it's name to "Sex-on-the-Beach" it would instantly shed all it's other problems and become the number-one most popular program? So, you'd rather die of pneumonia than get a shot because you don't like the name "penicillin"?
If you have nothing better to do than bitch about what a program's named, you need to (a) buy a dog, (b) name it "Life", (c) so you'll HAVE ONE!
Just like your alternate login, here too you spread more lies. This is 2005, I've plugged everything from joysticks to CD-burners to DSL-routers to USB-devices into Linux and they just plugged and played! It is nothing but a myth that you have to recompile the kernel at a text-prompt running vi and yacc.
For the family PC, I use Mandriva, which, in version 10.1, has click 'n' go package management with urpmi (I've built it up into a decent gaming platform), is the easiest installer I've ever seen anywhere (auto-detected *everything*, down to exact make and model.), has a bang-up login program that the user can click to select ID and change desktops with a GUI menu (choices are KDE, Gnome, ICEwm, Blackbox, and Window Maker...with the same menu in each system, managed by Menudrake). It's not only as easy as Windows and Mac: IT'S EVEN EASIER!
I use Slackware, too, but on my home's office PC. For the family PC, I use Mandriva, which, in version 10.1, has click 'n' go package management with urpmi (I've built it up into a decent gaming platform), is the easiest installer I've ever seen anywhere (auto-detected *everything*, down to exact make and model.), has a bang-up login program that the user can click to select ID and change desktops with a GUI menu (choices are KDE, Gnome, ICEwm, Blackbox, and Window Maker...with the same menu in each system, managed by Menudrake). It's not only as easy as Windows and Mac: IT'S EVEN EASIER!
Your claim of fondness for Slackware doesn't change the fact that you're spewing the same old Microsoftie line about Linux being nothing but a text prompt where you have to run vi and yacc and recompile your kernel to get performance past a 286. If you're not getting paid by Microsoft, you should be, because you're doing their job just as well. And since when (I have Slackware 10.1) does even Slackware require "compiling your own drivers"? My Slackware recognized every piece of hardware out of the box with the exception of the scroll-wheel on the mouse, which I fixed by adding a single line to my XOrgconfig file.
Flash to the adventure game of a few year's back, "Starship Titanic"? Based on Douglas Adams' work and the game had voices from members of the Monty Python troop portraying various robots and creatures. I never solved all the way through it without the cheat book, but the game environment finds one talking to the bots just to see what outrageous thing they'll say next. Just don't put this kind of thing in any kind of mission-critical function...
These are legitimate questions. To make a stab at answering them: Speaking for my present Mandriva 10.1, Firefox 1.5 bombed like crazy due to dependencies; Firefox 1.0.7 runs fine and it's what I'm using now with no complaints. 1.5 may need to set for awhile longer, and anyway most of the plugins/extensions/themes still go on 1.0.x anyway.
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And when I visited Redmond, I remember thinking, "Where are all the homeless winos you usually see in a big city?"
I await with bated breath your decription of the reasons that you post on Slashdot.
You're in slightly deeper shit than you know. I'm my own boss, I work 18 hours a day, I have internet 24 hours per day, and I work from home...in my other desktop, where this discussion is providing some diversion while I wait for my 3D images to finish rendering and my source to compile.
"Worked up"? YOU'RE the one who came in here BITCHING ABOUT OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE! I'm just calmly telling you to either go work on it yourself, or shut your yap. But since you just flat out admitted that you have absolutely nothing better to do with your time, that explains a lot. Ah, well. New Year's is almost upon us. You're bound to get a date in the next 24 hours somehow...
You know, I'm sure crosses make NO SENSE AT ALL to Islams. The multiple windows thing makes perfect sense in a GNU/Linux desktop, where there's no reason to have more than one program open on a desktop at a time, because you can have HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of desktops and switch between them with a keypress. This feature has been built into Unix even before Richard Stallman's time...even the console level can have multiple logins and shell sessions. It's not GNU/Linux's fault that Microsoft refuses to give it's users the same convenience.
Where's the one step photo fix? Um, the whole "Filters" menu is single-step fixes.
Colour balancing? Filters>Color>Map>[any of the dozen or so entries here]
How do I even draw a straight line? Hold down the shift key while you move the mouse. With a drawing tool, of course.
doesn't have any simple steps in order to do so.
I don't know how foolproof we have to make this; how good a fool are you? I found Gimp to be the easiest program I've ever used. The first thing I did was right-click on the canvas, and a whole menu popped up with every single function in it. I explored the menu entries one by one and experimented with everything.
For me, it is nothing more than a curiosity at the moment that I cannot use for any real work, and that's kinda sad, as I'd love to have a good open source program for that sort of stuff.
Your problems are SOLVED! HERE is the magic link: http://developer.gimp.org/ where you can go sign up for the Gimp development team and become one of the fine developers shaping the future destiny of the Gimp! I have arranged this exciting opportunity for you because I knew how it meant so much to you. I took the liberty of notifying them that they should do nothing else until you reported for duty, because you're the posse that's going to ride over the hill and save their ass. Don't thank me. Just get busy and PUT THOSE GREAT IDEAS INTO PRACTICE!!!
No, you have to change your own space/time continuum. That's what the people who work on the Gimp do so they can work on the project, since they also work/have hobbies/get laid/etc. No, there is NOTHING more important in life than software. That's obvious from the way you hang out on Slashdot bitching about it non-stop. Incidentally, most C++ functions have fewer lines than the volumous quantities of bullshit I've seen under your user-nick in this thread alone.
That's because you were PAID for it.
my UI's are scrutinized by project champions, end users (through UAT sessions) and our internal QA department.
Because they were PAID to do it.
because of changing corporate colours/branding.
Corporations GET PAID. Linux is not a corporation. Neither is GNU. As in "GNU Image Manipulation Program".
At home, I use programs which I find usable.
Let me guess. You PAID for them.
I use desktop backgrounds that I like and some of them were created by me but I don't discriminate.
Because...no, hey, wait: SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR!!! OK, and I bet your desktop art can hold it's own with da Vinci, Rembrandt, and Picasso, no? Or is it just "good enough for you"? So, if you share it with anybody else, and they say "This sucks!", your reaction is to shrug and say, "Well, guess you'll have to use something else, then.", isn't it? Because you do the best you can, and your best is usually satisfactory to you, but you don't CLAIM to be on a par with the great art masters of the world, so whose business is it if you aren't?
Likewise, Gimp comes with no guarantees. A few people (or person...I think I must be the only one, sometimes) have no problem with the interface at all. But Gimp doesn't advertise itself to be a Photoshop clone, or any other wonderful thing at all. The developers do all they can with what they've got, and it's good enough for some people. It's NOT the only option, not even for image manipulation programs that run on Linux/Unix/POSIX platforms.
But now they've got YOU: http://developer.gimp.org/ Because you're going right to this link to sign up to work on the developer team immediately, right? Because you cared so much to rag on other's work in public, I'm sure you care enough to BECOME one of the development team and put your fantastic ideas into practice, right? Otherwise, you would have found no reason to complain.
http://developer.gimp.org/ Sign up and volunteer! I want to see EVERY SINGLE NAME in here that posted with a flame about the Gimp on the development team and working their asses off to patch in all the improvements they've so generously suggested. I await the products of your labor.
Well spoken! But you forgot the link to the Gimp developer site: http://developer.gimp.org/. Because I'm sure the usual crowd of Slashdotters who rag on the Gimp are just DYING to dive in and work on it themselves, because why else would they care so much that they flame like Puff'n'Stuff in here about it?
PS I like using the programs that *I* write, and I use the desktop backgrounds that *I* draw, and I *offer* them to others only on the off-chance that they'll either (a) enjoy them as well, or (b) use them as a starting point to do better. But now, I'll just twiddle my thumbs and wait on you with everything for "expert UI design" advice. When can I expect you? Monday morning at 8 am sharp? I have at least ten projects on my desk awaiting your improvements.
The hubris is absolutely breath-taking. So, you're the new CEO of Open Source? We await your considerable financial investment. PS actually, *I'm* the CEO of Open Source. I think they're doing a spectacular job. I tell them not to listen to you. Which is a good thing, because they're working to please people like me, not assholes like you.
Open Source is done by people working for free. Not "millions of dollars", but free. And it's given away for free. Not "millions of dollars", but free. And you get it by visiting the site and downloading it. Open Source doesn't spam your inbox, interrupt the Superbowl with a commercial for it, post billboards over your freeway commute, or buy time on the radio to sell itself to you. The whole "marketing" CONCEPT is alien to Open Source, and in addition is directly opposed to every single thing that Open Source stands for. Geeks "don't get" this because nobody asked you. And until YOU (a) produce YOUR OWN Open Source program for free and give it away for free while enacting all of your fantastic ideas, or (b) offer to DONATE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS so that Open Source can hire that team of market research consultants for it, there isn't a damn reason why they - or anybody else - should.
Your statement is so ignorant, there must not only be empty space between your ears, but a black hole sufficient to bend space at a ninety degree angle around you for ten miles' radius.
Well, with what program did this happen? Because the Gimp, as is the case with all Open Source, was started when a bunch of geeks though they knew something about graphic design and decided to make a program that would fulfill THEIR NEEDS. Then somebody got curious and said, "Whatcha got there?" and we said, "It's nothing, really, just a hobby project I like to tinker with." and they went, "Well what is it?", and we said, "You really won't like it, you like Photoshop.", and they said, "Come on, share it! I want it!" and we said, "OK, here you go, but it's still beta!" and that's where we're at now.
Remind me to graciously accept an invitation to your house so I can complain about your feckless housekeeping, your ugly spouse, and your hideous kids before pissing on the carpet and leaving via kicking out the window.
I would have thought that your post should have had so much more merit, but your screen name of "Saven Marek" turned me off, so I decided you're trolling.
If pigs had wings, they could fly. What's your point? Who are you to define the goal for the open-source movement that it's mission in life is to have more traction? How many Open Source contributions have we seen from you, anyway? Maybe open source is different. Maybe it got here in the first place through being different. Maybe if it was all marketing and no substance, it wouldn't be as good as it is. Perhaps, since the programmer/development team who wrote it named it, we should care less about how demographically marketed the name is and care more about the skill with which it is designed. WHEN will people get the idea that Open Source IS NOT A CORPORATION, HAS NO STOCKHOLDERS, DOES NOT ADVERTIZE ON TV DURING THE SUPERBOWL, IS NOT ABOUT "SELLING" ITSELF. Open Source was, in fact, started in direct reaction against the very product of companies which would devote 99% of their effort to marketing and 1% to producing something worthwhile.
What we of the Open Source community need to do is declare it dead, tell the world we quit, go into hiding, wait five years, and then start writing our programs again in secret and trading it only amongst ourselves so that blowhards like you can't jam your probiscus into the middle of it and tell us what to do. Because *this* is what we get for sharing. Does that sound better?
NOTE: When you have to follow your post with a disclaimer about how you're not trolling, love free software, and like the Gimp, you (a) are too, (b) do not, and (c) are full of it.
Most sensible words spoken in this thread I've read, yet, inflamatory or no. The answer to the age-old question "What's in a Name?" is obviously "A hell of a lot less than people want it to have." What, are you telling me if Gimp changed it's name to "Sex-on-the-Beach" it would instantly shed all it's other problems and become the number-one most popular program? So, you'd rather die of pneumonia than get a shot because you don't like the name "penicillin"?
If you have nothing better to do than bitch about what a program's named, you need to (a) buy a dog, (b) name it "Life", (c) so you'll HAVE ONE!
Could you flame some more? This marshmallow isn't toasted yet.
Go away.
Great, it looks more like a Death Star than ever!
You must be new here...
For the family PC, I use Mandriva, which, in version 10.1, has click 'n' go package management with urpmi (I've built it up into a decent gaming platform), is the easiest installer I've ever seen anywhere (auto-detected *everything*, down to exact make and model.), has a bang-up login program that the user can click to select ID and change desktops with a GUI menu (choices are KDE, Gnome, ICEwm, Blackbox, and Window Maker...with the same menu in each system, managed by Menudrake). It's not only as easy as Windows and Mac: IT'S EVEN EASIER!
Your claim of fondness for Slackware doesn't change the fact that you're spewing the same old Microsoftie line about Linux being nothing but a text prompt where you have to run vi and yacc and recompile your kernel to get performance past a 286. If you're not getting paid by Microsoft, you should be, because you're doing their job just as well. And since when (I have Slackware 10.1) does even Slackware require "compiling your own drivers"? My Slackware recognized every piece of hardware out of the box with the exception of the scroll-wheel on the mouse, which I fixed by adding a single line to my XOrgconfig file.
Flash to the adventure game of a few year's back, "Starship Titanic"? Based on Douglas Adams' work and the game had voices from members of the Monty Python troop portraying various robots and creatures. I never solved all the way through it without the cheat book, but the game environment finds one talking to the bots just to see what outrageous thing they'll say next. Just don't put this kind of thing in any kind of mission-critical function...
These are legitimate questions. To make a stab at answering them: Speaking for my present Mandriva 10.1, Firefox 1.5 bombed like crazy due to dependencies; Firefox 1.0.7 runs fine and it's what I'm using now with no complaints. 1.5 may need to set for awhile longer, and anyway most of the plugins/extensions/themes still go on 1.0.x anyway.
Your script is posting to the wrong comments again.