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'Intel Inside' No More

Randall311 writes "The Inquirer is reporting that Intel is getting rid of its tagline 'Intel Inside' and plans to run a huge logo launch this January. Apparently the new logo has been seen in internal documents already. 'Intel Inside' has been with us since 1991. I guess now all thats left to update is the 'Idiot Outside' that doesn't know anything about using a computer."

306 comments

  1. What about the chimes in the commercials? by yourstar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's way more annoying than the tagline!

    1. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it had class.

    2. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by Cmdr_earthsnake · · Score: 1

      They'll probably change it to the even more annoying MSN new message "do da ding" broken chord chime. :P

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    3. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by Morlark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Class? Good grief, that jingle was awful. I couldn't stand it, thought it was utterly atrocious. Maybe it's just me, but every time I heard that sound it just made me want to cringe.

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    4. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by GoofyBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But you remember it and associate it with Intel(tm), exactly what they wanted.

      "Cos-tan-za!"

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    5. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by robgamble · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, they probably paid big bucks to some slick advertising company to come up with that four-note stuccato mess that any 3-year-old autistic could have pounded out on a toy xylophone.

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    6. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by pintomp3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      actually, it took ten days to record according to this article:

      http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/05/tiny-music- makers-pt-1-intel-inside.html

      ten days too long if you ask me, but anyway.

    7. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by baxissimo · · Score: 3, Funny
      Oh, come on. It's a million less times annoying than any jingle with lyrics. I mean you may get annoyed by it when you hear it, but at least you don't find yourself humming it all day long like ... oh I don't know like an annoying commercial jingle. The worst one over here in Japan is something for a fiber optic internet service. "Hikaru umi, hikaru sora, hi-ka-ru ma-n-shon". Gah! Drives me nuts. Just hearing one verse will get it stuck in my head all day. Damn, now wish I hadn't thought of that example.

      ... hikaru umi, hikaru sora ... da da dah dah da da da da.. Nooooooooo!

    8. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

      ...every time I heard that sound it just made me want to cringe.

      Implies that you thought about cringing, even desired to cringe, but couldn't bring yourself to actually cringe. What held you back?

    9. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by m50d · · Score: 1

      All it means is I cringe whenever I walk by an intel product. I'm not sure that's a good thing for them.

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    10. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's just me, but every time I heard that sound it just made me want to cringe.

      Actually, I thought it was brilliant for the exact reasons you mentioned.

      You see, back in the Win95-ME days when Windows would output a sound on a program error aler, I set this up as the sound my computer would make.

      As a result I often WOULD cringe if I ever heard the sound. Not only because I was constantly being reminded of my switch to Intel and Windows (from the Amiga) but also that some software I was running had crashed once again.

      For these reasons, the "Intel Inside" chime became a very useful sound to me, though I never really liked hearing it.

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    11. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by Chr0n0 · · Score: 1

      At least it's not as bad as Nokia's ringtone...

    12. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by Braino420 · · Score: 1

      The ones that annoy the hell outa me are those Vonage commercials... "woo hoo, woo hoo hoo, woo hoo, woo hoo hoo".. and on and on and on. It should be considered a crime against humanity. The sad thing is, they never so much as mention wtf they do! what is it some voip service or something? What a huge waste of time and money for everyone.

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    13. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      The one that makes you want to yell "HELLO!" in a public place? OTOH, maybe I'm the only one that watched Trigger Happy TV.

    14. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by Arthur+Dent · · Score: 1

      And don't forget: Bic..u..bic..u..bic..u...bic camera. Thank you very much. I will be here all year. :)

    15. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by flamingnight · · Score: 1

      That's a real song, called "Woo Hoo," originally written by the Rock-A-Teens and performed for the Kill BIll soundtrack (same version used in the Vonage commercial) by the 5,6,7,8's

      This tidbit of rock trivia brought to you by little-to-no-sleep.

    16. Re:What about the chimes in the commercials? by Marillion · · Score: 1

      In addition to the zillions of synthesizers used in the sound, he used a Mac to mix it all together.

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  2. speaking of new logos... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Interesting

    will it look as cremesaver-iffic as the new at&t logo?

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    1. Re:speaking of new logos... by CommiePuddin · · Score: 1

      Forgive my ignorance, but could you define "cremesaver" as it pertains to corporate identity? My google and wiki efforts are going unfulfilled.

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    2. Re:speaking of new logos... by Hosiah · · Score: 4, Funny

      Great, it looks more like a Death Star than ever!

    3. Re:speaking of new logos... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I am speculating here, but I bet it is because it looks like this

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    4. Re:speaking of new logos... by shawb · · Score: 1

      Cream Savers candy are like Life Savers, but with creamy stripes. This picture might clarify things for you.

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    5. Re:speaking of new logos... by CommiePuddin · · Score: 1

      I see. Forgive my expectation of jargon that I was unaware of.

      Thanks for the heads up.

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    6. Re:speaking of new logos... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmm.... blueberry.

      Please do not eat AT&T logo!

    7. Re:speaking of new logos... by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Best comment from that page:

      This is clearly some sort of Smurf that's been mummified.

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    8. Re:speaking of new logos... by Alioth · · Score: 1

      It could have been worse - they may have gone with the old (was it Bell Atlantic, or Southwestern Bell?) Bell logo that looked like a Wehrmacht helmet!

  3. Just stop that damm jingle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    i can never hear an advert without that damm "intel sound" as soon as they mention the word Intel
    perhaps Intel should care less about branding and more about creating, in 10years are we not still using x86 based processors ?

    great innovation guys, cant wait for the next bing bong sound

    1. Re:Just stop that damm jingle by rbanffy · · Score: 1

      They tried with Itanic. Many other candidates existed to dethrone the x86 - MIPS, Alpha, PowerPC. None succeeded.

      Yet, we can blame AMD, not Intel, for lending some life into the x86 with the AMD64.

  4. So much satire, so little time by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess this means the end to all the "Evil Inside", "Linux Inside", and "Intestines Inside" shirts and stickers.

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    1. Re:So much satire, so little time by tigerc · · Score: 1

      Obligatory user friendly comic.

    2. Re:So much satire, so little time by TrevelyanL85A2 · · Score: 1

      god dammit i liked the logo, and the stuff done by Blue man Group with them.... the new logo and catch phrase better be funny i swear to the Force....

    3. Re:So much satire, so little time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not to mention the "I Smell Inside" t-shirts

    4. Re:So much satire, so little time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, that's not it either... a funny User Friendly strip I mean. I'm hoping that one day someone will post a link to one that's even mildly amusing. Actually, I'd be happy with one that doesn't make me re-read it and wonder aloud what on Earth the artist was thinking when he drew it. Two years have passed since I first made this public request and I'm still waiting.

    5. Re:So much satire, so little time by zrk · · Score: 1

      "Intel Inside" always struck me as a warning label.

  5. The new logos... by antdude · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... I believe these are the new logos from my Blue Man Group's forum. I was asking if the three famous blue men would be back for the new launch like in the past.

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    1. Re:The new logos... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      Curious. Inside(tm)? They've trademarked 'inside'? If so, I wonder how far they'll try to enforce that trademark... ick.

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    2. Re:The new logos... by humphrm · · Score: 1

      So if you're right about that (and I don't doubt it) the /. article is completely wrong... they aren't getting rid of "Intel Inside" at all, just a new Intel logo and some rebranding.

      > I guess now all thats left to update is the 'Idiot Outside' that doesn't know anything about using
      > a computer.

      Oh, how droll. And I suppose we all are just so much better than everyone else.

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    3. Re:The new logos... by adpowers · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Oh hey, another BMG forum member. I am adpowers on there was well, but I haven't posted that often in the last year or so.

    4. Re:The new logos... by PlasticMonkey · · Score: 1

      Now then, if only instead of the Duo Core they had the Al Gore...
      I personally would love a computer with Al Gore Inside(TM).

  6. And that's not all... by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the original article on X86-Secret.com, it sounds like the new chips will not be using the Pentium branding at all. It's just Intel Core Solo and Intel Core Duo from now on.

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    1. Re:And that's not all... by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

      It's just Intel Core Solo and Intel Core Duo from now on.

      Makes sense that they're dropping the Pentium name, with all these "yonah"s and "conroe"s we Mac fans have been hearing about. So if it's Duo and Solo, does that rule out the idea of quad core processors by Intel?

    2. Re:And that's not all... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Yonah and Conroe were simply internal code names for specific microprocessor products, a practice that has been done for maybe a decade or more. Code names aren't and won't be brand names, much like the project code named Longhorn will be marketed as Vista. No, I don't think Intel is going to avoid quad core, I have no idea why one would ask that.

    3. Re:And that's not all... by heinousjay · · Score: 1

      Yep. By choosing those names, they've unwittingly put technical restrictions in place that will not allow them to progress. Damn shame, those strange rules of marketing physics.

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    4. Re:And that's not all... by AtomicRobotMonster · · Score: 2, Funny

      So you're saying that I shouldn't still be waiting for Windows "Chicago" to arrive?

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    5. Re:And that's not all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just Intel Core Solo and Intel Core Duo from now on.

      And of course the Star Wars tie-in models will be called the Han Solo and Han Duo. They'll have The Force Inside.

    6. Re:And that's not all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Core Solo shoots first!

    7. Re:And that's not all... by Xzzy · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Let's hope they shitcan that stupid jingle, as well.

      Maybe then I'll be able to watch computer commercials without wincing, for once.

    8. Re:And that's not all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least "Cairo" is still on the way. I can't wait for the Windows Object-Oriented File System!

    9. Re:And that's not all... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Intel Core Solo and Intel Core Duo

      So what is it going to be in future products? Core Quadro and Core Octo? LOL.

      And the seem to be trying to assert trademarks on the words Core and inside? What's that about?

      And the Celeron D? I thought that was supposed to be the Deceleron.

      Not to mention there are what now something like 5 different laptop CPUs, ten different desktop CPUs, and of course various server CPUslike the Itanic and Itanium and whatever.

      I bet their manufacturing and R&D departments are going bonkers, and consumers? How are they going to know what the right thing to buy is?

      AMD has it right - Athlon, Sempron, Turion, Opteron. That's all you need - 4 market segments, four names.

      No wonder they have been taking market share from Chipzilla.

    10. Re:And that's not all... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Intel Core Solo

      Intel had better be ready for a trademark lawsuit - Lucasfilm isn't going to like people using their Solo trademark.

    11. Re:And that's not all... by richman555 · · Score: 1

      Actually this naming convention sounds fine. How many people actually know what Athlon is? Turion anyone?? Sounds like its straight out of a Star Trek convention. These names are just short of saying Intel Dual Core... and Intel single core. I think this is easy enough for people to understand. It certainly makes alot more sense than the name Pentium. I also think that they don't need to worry about naming the 4 core processors for quite some time although Quadro Core sounds pretty cool!

    12. Re:And that's not all... by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      I think 'Cairo' is the one to be watching for.

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    13. Re:And that's not all... by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      But will your processor shoot first?

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    14. Re:And that's not all... by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      So what do you think Apple will call there Macintosh project when it ships? My money's on Bicycle. :)

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    15. Re:And that's not all... by mnmn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope both Pentium and Athlon names are shedded off. Theyre just making a bit much of one brand of their chips which were successful. Its been 15 years now since Pentium and over 10 for Athlon.

      Cars get cool new names. Chips should too.

      I hate having to explain the Pentium 4 here is different from the Pentium 4 over there because of yada yada. Its also getting pretty bad for the Athlon now, Athlon, Athlon (thunderbird), Athlon XP, Athlon 64, Athlon 64 (dual core)...

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    16. Re:And that's not all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a second Pentium 60/66 came out at around 1994, Athlon came out at the end of 1999. What 15 and 10 years again?

    17. Re:And that's not all... by MECC · · Score: 1

      "project code named Longhorn will be marketed as Vista"

      You mean the Vista "rebuilt from scratch" remarketed version of longhorn?

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    18. Re:And that's not all... by karnal · · Score: 1

      No, but you'll need to freeze it in carbonite to make sure it doesn't overheat.

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    19. Re:And that's not all... by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about the slower Athlon XP, which became the Sempron after nothing but a label change and a decision to differnetiate the slow processors from the "new fast"... :)

    20. Re:And that's not all... by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I spent quite a bit of time researching whether to get an Athlon XP or a Sempron, and made sure I got an Athlon XP even though that line was being discontinued, Why? It wasn't just a name change, they halved the onboard level 2 cache in the Semprons, so they're actually slower.

    21. Re:And that's not all... by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Sorry - I'm not sure why the "XP" went in there. I meant just plain Athlon - AMD changed the name of their Athlon to Sempron to more strongly differentiate their "budget" processor from their "fancy" processor line. The XP and MP weren't getting it across, apparently. :)

  7. Re:First Idiot? by fleaboy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Ouch! Ward you were kinda hard on the Beaver last night! Intel: Mature chips, for mature computers...keep your wind-up gadgets for the slums of the third world. No, definitely the second idiot-at best.

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  8. Won't they get in trouble with the FDA? by Michalson · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought those warning labels where required by law. Someone could accidently burn themselves, take down their local power grid, or pay big money for a slow turd.

    1. Re:Won't they get in trouble with the FDA? by damsa · · Score: 1

      I know you are joking, but FDA only covers things you eat. And for most people Pentiums are not delicious treats. For that they eat iPods.

    2. Re:Won't they get in trouble with the FDA? by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Funny

      processors are chips, people eat chips, therefore the FDA has jurisdiction over processors

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    3. Re:Won't they get in trouble with the FDA? by blair1q · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      But only AMD parts will put a hole through your desk (and possibly your crotch, if its your notebook that you're tweaking at the time).

    4. Re:Won't they get in trouble with the FDA? by TelJanin · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      An Intel proc would have done that without the firecracker underneath.

    5. Re:Won't they get in trouble with the FDA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      FDA only covers things you eat.

      Perhaps you should look at the categories on the left. Unless maybe you have a good recipe for Roast Cell Phone with a side of Pacemaker?

    6. Re:Won't they get in trouble with the FDA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      processors are chips, people eat chips, therefore the FDA has jurisdiction over processors

      but what if the chips were code named 'soylent green' and were really made from PEOPLE!

    7. Re:Won't they get in trouble with the FDA? by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

      Burn themselves? Absolutely, especially at the heat this 2Ghz Pentium laptop produces.

      On these winter nights, we crowd around it for heat.

      I'm toasting marshmallows on it as I type.

      You know those guys in hazmat suits on the old commercials? If you've ever tried putting an Intel laptop on your lap, you'll have discovered for yourself why those suits were more than gimmick.

    8. Re:Won't they get in trouble with the FDA? by DarkProphet · · Score: 1

      Or, to quote Meatwad, "You got any dip to go with this chip, or am I lookin' at him?"

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    9. Re:Won't they get in trouble with the FDA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those weren't hazmat suits. They were manufacturing clean room bunny suits. And nobody calls them laptops anymore, for exactly the heat issue. They are called portables, and if you put it on your lap, it's your fault.

  9. New slogan equals buy! by drakethegreat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love how companies really expect people to buy their product because it has a better slogan. Anyone who has the choice between a processor probably doesn't pick it based on the slogan. Anyone who doesn't know what makes a good processor probably buys a prebuilt machine and really doesn't have a choice cause its not like manufactured PCs have AMDs very often... and even Macs are gonna be Intel soon. So basically the effect of this is nothing at all.

    1. Re:New slogan equals buy! by gadzook33 · · Score: 1

      Don't kid yourself...I'm no marketing expert but I remember reading that "Don't squeeze the Charmin" was pretty much responsible for the success of a product in a market of exchangeable goods. Now, maybe processors aren't exchangeable, and maybe the average PC consumer is smarter (??). But either way, I think we can agree that you shouldn't wipe your ass with a processor...I mean, either way I think we can agree that in some cases it does matter.

    2. Re:New slogan equals buy! by Auckerman · · Score: 1

      Branding is important, even for pre-made machines. If a certain percentage of your customers think Intel is needed, then ALL of your customers get Intel processors, even the ones who don't care.

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    3. Re:New slogan equals buy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, my mom was all tuned up to buy a "Centrino" notebook because she heard that Centrino=good. Some marketing works on some people, sometimes.

    4. Re:New slogan equals buy! by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      In the same vein, I've always wondered why power companies advertise. Who's the guy who says, "I think we can increase our customer base by a significant margin, if only more people knew about us! We must get the word out: Electricity is here!"

    5. Re:New slogan equals buy! by jcnnghm · · Score: 1

      Every time my mom goes to buy a computer she always tries to make sure it has a "Pentenium" intel inside, otherwise it's no good. Don't doubt the power of good marketing. That may be why AMD isn't trouncing intel considering they have better chips in nearly every possible way, including price.

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    6. Re:New slogan equals buy! by dangitman · · Score: 1
      I love how companies really expect people to buy their product because it has a better slogan. Anyone who has the choice between a processor probably doesn't pick it based on the slogan

      It may not work on a conscious level, but it does work on many people. The idea is to insiduosly get into your brain and associate vague conceepts with a specific brand. I mean, Intel has been able to brand the concept of "inside" and "what's in a computer that makes it work" as their own. They own that concept, and it does affect people's thinking.

      Pull the "Intel inside" logo off a computer, and put it next to an identical computer that still has the logo. The average consumer will not touch the machine without the sticker.

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    7. Re:New slogan equals buy! by jbrader · · Score: 1

      Welcome to our planet, your in for some big suprises.

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    8. Re:New slogan equals buy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who has the choice between a processor probably doesn't pick it based on the slogan.

      You have way more faith in humanity than I do. Cute. When you hit your teens, you'll start to get a lot more cynical.

      Slogans can make or break huge things. The name of the PATRIOT act is nothing more than a slogan, and a slogan that says the exact opposite of its contents. Yet the USA government still passed it.

    9. Re:New slogan equals buy! by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      Mainly for political reasons, deflecting regulatory pressure, etc.

      My local power company was under a lot of heat from the state for not maintaining power lines, outages, etc. They responed with an advertising campaign about how nice and devoted their customer service and line employees are.

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    10. Re:New slogan equals buy! by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

      And it works. At least from the experience of foxtrot who, referencing his experience as a computer salesman, commented:

      Joe Average, however, often asked, "But does it have the Intel inside?" (often using that exact phrasing-- "the Intel.")

      Scroll down for the rest of his comment.

      Also, my wife's manufactured HP has an AMD. I know, you said said "not very often", not "not at all", but I thought you'd like to know of at least one manufactured computer that comes with an AMD.

    11. Re:New slogan equals buy! by JeremyALogan · · Score: 1

      It isn't just the computer buying people that advertisers market to. They also market to potential investors. People are a lot more willing to invest their money in companies that they know.

    12. Re:New slogan equals buy! by wljones · · Score: 1

      Back in ancient history (1985) I treasured a Texas Instruments Personal Computer. It had a Harris Communications 8088 processor, an IIT 8087 math coprocessor, and an "Intel Inside" sticker that was given to me by a pretty Intel lady at a NTPCUG meeting. I was so impressed by Intel that I now purchase computers with AMD processors. The dual-core AMD 64 is in my in latest computer.

  10. Could it be...Apple? by moo083 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could it be that Apple influenced this decision? Could it be that there is more to this? I really think that Apple will not be releasing machines with intel stickers on it. I think this is connected.

    1. Re:Could it be...Apple? by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

      Did it ever occur to you that Apple wouldn't use intel stickers regardless of intel's logo? Really now, has Apple ever been a fan of idiotic decals that fall off and leave sticky spots that collect dirt? Apple's always been about minimalist form-follows-function design which also happens to look good. Putting any sticker on their machines would intrude on that and look stupid no matter what.

    2. Re:Could it be...Apple? by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Really now, has Apple ever been a fan of idiotic decals that fall off and leave
      > sticky spots that collect dirt?

      By using white, they have ensured that their little pricey boxes become grubby and worn looking within weeks of purchase without the need of extra stickers.

    3. Re:Could it be...Apple? by fyoder · · Score: 1
      Could it be that Apple influenced this decision?

      I think more like AMD. 'Intel Inside' meant something when they were clearly the market leader with a few other processor companies struggling to keep up. Now someone could see 'Intel Inside' and have that not be a selling point. Now it may be better for retailers not to have the processor identified conspicuously on the machine, don't even raise the question.

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    4. Re:Could it be...Apple? by Feyr · · Score: 1

      actually, as far as im aware apple pretty much launched the fad of those little icky sticky stickers. there's some freaks out there that collect original apple stickers.

    5. Re:Could it be...Apple? by EuroChild · · Score: 1

      I think you're right there; there is a lot more going on behind the scenes with apple and intel than I think we even suspect. It'll be interesting to see in a few years when the "real" story comes out and we can look back on it and say what a brilliant (or disastrous?) move it was. The computing industry is going to see a lot of interesting shifts over the next few years...

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    6. Re:Could it be...Apple? by dangitman · · Score: 1
      Now someone could see 'Intel Inside' and have that not be a selling point.

      In your dreams. Most people don't even know about AMD, and intel is the biggest, bestest company. i'm sure most consumers like Intel better than they do Microsoft. After all, you rarely have to patch or replace your processor because it breaks. Don't have to spend any time thinking about it. And many machines are so ugly that often the intel Inside logo is the only thing that gives them a "new" or "shiny" or "high tech" look. That 4 on the Pentium 4 logo sure makes the average user feel that their machine is 4 times faster.

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    7. Re:Could it be...Apple? by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

      i doubt it, since they are changing the logo, not dropping it. just a different sticker. i doubt apple would want to put any intel sticker anyway.

    8. Re:Could it be...Apple? by dangitman · · Score: 1
      By using white, they have ensured that their little pricey boxes

      Their pricey boxes don't come in white. The consumer models do, and they are very similar in value-for-money to x86 machines. in any case, i have an ibook that has been used heavily for years, outside too. It doesn't look grubby. I just tend not to type with motor oil on my hands. So what would stain the surface? It is very resistant to discolouration.

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    9. Re:Could it be...Apple? by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      Who said they would have to use a sticker? They could always screenprint it right on the case (as they did for years with "PowerPC").

      Anyway, I'll bet that Apple's joining the Intel logo program. When was the last time you saw a TV commercial for a Mac? You'll see them for Macintels (ba-boom-ba-boom).

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    10. Re:Could it be...Apple? by drunkenbatman · · Score: 1
      Apple's always been about minimalist form-follows-function design which also happens to look good.


      I can't tell if you're being facetious or not...
    11. Re:Could it be...Apple? by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      Really now, has Apple ever been a fan of idiotic decals that fall off and leave sticky spots that collect dirt?

      The Color Classic had a QuickTime sticker on it.
      Oh and the first three generations of Power Mac (those with numbers, and the beige G3) had a PowerPC logo silkscreened on the front.

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    12. Re:Could it be...Apple? by oscast · · Score: 1

      Apple's always been about minimalist form-follows-function design

      I had to do a double take when I read that. Apple has repeatedly sold products that excelled at both for AND function.

    13. Re:Could it be...Apple? by andreMA · · Score: 1
      I don't know... I can certainly see Apple putting the Intel logo on the exterior packaging; perhaps under their deal with Intel that's sufficient to qualify for the discounts.

      I can also see Apple doing a sticker that peels off easily, as long as it's relatively unobtrusive. Or perhaps even a permanent marking, as long as the logo isn't overly complex - either silk screened or (in the case of PowerBooks and PowerMacs (by whatever name)) laser-etched into the case.

    14. Re:Could it be...Apple? by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

      i've never had a problem taking the intel stickers off of my notebooks or computers. i have a habit of peeling all the stickers off, serial #s too (email them it to two of of my email addresses). goo-gone is my friend :)

    15. Re:Could it be...Apple? by Mesaeus · · Score: 1

      People don't care too much when the cpu's of AMD and Intel are comparable. Even the fact that Intels processors are now generally much slower won't bother the average person too much. But the real problem for Intel is the heat their current lineup generates. I daily encounter average joes who bought a cheap Intel based machine. And the one thing they're always complaining about is the dreadful noise that those pc's make. When idle, there's not much noise. But when they dare start using the processor, you get something akin to a starting jet engine.

      Those peope all feel they've been cheated by the company that build the pc's, and when I explain that it's due to the Intel Inside that their ears are bleeding, they swear up and down that they will never get another Intel again. Apparently at least one huge German manufacturer (Medion) got so many complaints about the noise that their new models are all Athlon64's. This one manufacturer is huge in my country, selling an awful lot of pc's through discount malls around here.

      In fact, I think the absurd levels of heat produced by Intels P4 line are why AMD has trouble supplying the lower models like 3000+ single core and 3800+ dual core at the moment. There's been a substantial shift from Intel to AMD, even Dell seems to be at last considering AMD for servers.

      Back to the general public : they may be slow to change of opinion, but the last few years have not been good for Intel, up until the point that even the general public is disappointed with them. And that won't change back overnight. They might be slow to change opinion, but that goes both ways.

    16. Re:Could it be...Apple? by dangitman · · Score: 1
      Those peope all feel they've been cheated by the company that build the pc's, and when I explain that it's due to the Intel Inside that their ears are bleeding, they swear up and down that they will never get another Intel again. Apparently at least one huge German manufacturer (Medion) got so many complaints about the noise that their new models are all Athlon64's. This one manufacturer is huge in my country, selling an awful lot of pc's through discount malls around here.

      I think you are over-reaching. You can buy noisy AMD machines, or quiet Intel ones. It has more to do with case design and layout, and particularly the quality and size of the fans. I owned a Centrino machine, and it was no hotter or noiser than a G4 Powerbook.

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  11. Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't the Inquirer a fake news site? Kind of like a lame Onion?

    1. Re:Is this a joke? by BushCheney08 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      How dare you even think of comparing the Inquirer to the Onion. The Onion is funny.

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  12. Hmm... by AEton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess now all thats left to update is the 'Idiot Outside' that doesn't know anything about using a computer."

    Hint to submitter: if you're going to broadly describe large segments of the population as idiots, be absolutely sure that when you do so, you use impeccable grammar.

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    1. Re:Hmm... by jb.hl.com · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh come on, this is Slashdot, why should he break with tradition. Everyone knows that if you're going to slander millions of people, you gotta do it with as few apostrophes as possible ;)

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    2. Re:Hmm... by Feanturi · · Score: 1

      We recently had heard in the office over one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions.

      Though, if you're going to be pointing out grammatical errors, it's probably better to have a .sig that makes grammatical sense, or at least some kind of sense.

    3. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, well, Hemos said it.

      (Great guy, love to see him around on E2, etc. Slashcritics begone!)

    4. Re:Hmm... by HairyCanary · · Score: 1

      If you are going to be a grammar nazi, be sure to proofread your own post several times.

    5. Re:Hmm... by tyrione · · Score: 1

      So, you are taking umberage with thats versus that's, but not the 'Idiot Outside?'

      Odd, but to each their own.

    6. Re:Hmm... by sharkey · · Score: 1
      you gotta do it with as few apostrophes as possible ;)

      Unless, as every seasoned Slashdot troll^H^H^H^H^Heditor knows, the sentiment requires no apostrophes. That is good and sufficient cause to add extra apostrophe's to the idea's being presented.

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  13. Blue Man Group by mnemonic_ · · Score: 2, Funny

    I could never appreciate a music group that discriminated based on color.

    1. Re:Blue Man Group by antdude · · Score: 1

      And you forgot the lack of oral/verbal communication and ears. :)

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  14. New Slogan to reflect sincerity by Placebo+Messiah · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ceramic Heater Inside

    1. Re:New Slogan to reflect sincerity by BCW2 · · Score: 1

      AMEN to that. When was the last time that a hardware component forced the case manufacturers to redesign their product? Everyone, we need to cut a hole in the side of the case to get air to our processor so it won't melt!

      That hole is popularly known as a P4 port. If you put one in a case without it, you have no warranty.

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    2. Re:New Slogan to reflect sincerity by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Riiight buddy.

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  15. How? by LucBorg · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    How does "Idiot Outside" correlate to "Intel inside"? The intel inside logo was on pcs, not macs/apple computers/ipods. Therefore outside intel machines there are only normal people who do not worship a spiritual leader who I hear goes by the name of High Priest Jobs, and do not buy shoddy, non-functionning (ipod battery anyone?), craply designed* things just because they have a half-eaten apple printed on the outside.

    "Idiot outside" would therefore only be a suitable joke here if intels were inside apples. Oh wait, they are! Oh I get it now! HAHAHA. Very funny. *...sigh...*

    *Please note, the imacs with the multicoloured outsides were ok, as were the sunflower type imacs, but after that things just go too repetative and boring.

    1. Re:How? by vistic · · Score: 1

      You feel very strongly about this, don't you?

    2. Re:How? by Hosiah · · Score: 4, Funny
      ----[]-

      Could you flame some more? This marshmallow isn't toasted yet.

    3. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, here's the problem. Elegant, no-hassle computing, and in fact the entire Apple experience, is intuitive for a certain kind of person. Artists, fashion mavens, leftists, and other creative personalities can sit down with a 12" PowerBook running the latest dot-update of Tiger and comprehend its sensitive, tasteful aesthetic. It's a rare instinct, this appreciation for beauty and truth; accountants and other such pencil-pushers haven't a prayer.

      In summary, unattractive squares should stick to Linux and Windows. Being smart enough not to want to waste time wrestling with one's computing environment is for different thinkers.

    4. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Do not click parent's link. Mod down if you have points. Known troll site, links to shock pictures, etc.

    5. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like when the logic board on your Apple fries and so you have to send it back to Apple, leaving you without a computer for several months? Is that what you mean by not wasting time wrestling with one's computing environment?

    6. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of Satan, I was listening to LucBorg the other day. Doesn't LucBorg remind you of one of those gay guys that likes to lay in a tub while other men pee on him? Am I wrong? Cant you see his fat body in a tub while Ballmer and Gates just stand around pissin' on him and his little piggly-wiggly dick just cant get hard.

      "Uhhh, I cant get hard, Ballmer, pee in my mouth!" "Well, hows that LucBorg?"

      And his dick still cant get hard so they call in Gates' mother. She takes her pearls off, sticks em up his ass, then squats over him, undoes her gurdle while her wrinkled flacid labia unfolds halfway down to her knees like some ball-less scrotum. She squeezes out a link into his mouth. Finally his dick get half-hard "UHHH AHHHH UHHHH!" A little clear bubble forms on the end with a maggot inside. The maggot pops the bubble and runs off to joins some pro-life group somewhere. Am I the only one who sees that?

    7. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides making the gp's point with his zealotry, yes, that's exactly what he meant.

    8. Re:How? by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1

      And I say thanks for convincing me not to buy a mac.

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  16. New tag line... by N1ghtFalcon · · Score: 5, Funny

    "DRM Inside"

    Ba-dum-tsss!

    Thank you, I'm here all week!

    1. Re:New tag line... by Hosiah · · Score: 0, Redundant
      Thank you, I'm here all week!

      Go away.

  17. Memories by Comatose51 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "I guess now all thats left to update is the 'Idiot Outside' that doesn't know anything about using a computer."

    I laugh now but there was a time, when I first started using computers, I would look for "Intel Inside" badge on the PC case as a mark of quality. I didn't even know what that really meant or refer to. I just saw the Pentium commercials and TV makes an impression on a 12 year old's mind.

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    1. Re:Memories by Saint+V+Flux · · Score: 0

      I've never owned an Intel and most likely never will.......

    2. Re:Memories by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      I never was a fan but the new Pentium M (PIII on crack) is pretty nice

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    3. Re:Memories by TekPolitik · · Score: 1
      there was a time, when I first started using computers, I would look for "Intel Inside" badge on the PC case as a mark of quality

      I never saw "Intel Inside" as a sign of quality, but I did order Intel systems exclusively. Why? Because we write software for business and government customers and you don't want CPU compatibility issues to result in the software doing something different on your system to on the customer's system - you want "bug compatibility" as far as possible..

      I'm starting to introduce AMD systems into the mix though, for the same reason.

    4. Re:Memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you 99.99999443271648%

    5. Re:Memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First funny pentium joke this decade!

    6. Re:Memories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never owned an Intel and most likely never will.......
       
      Except Intel is going everywhere, cellphones, PDA, wireless cards, flash memory... most likely you will

  18. Reference to AMD by bstadil · · Score: 1
    FYI, The Idiot Outside was aimed at people for not using AMD.

    Nothing to do with Apple

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    1. Re:Reference to AMD by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      You are not the processor brand in your computer. You're like a painter stating that a brush using hairs of animal A is better compared to hairs of animal B. I would say: show me what you've been painting...

    2. Re:Reference to AMD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is slashdot, a lot of people here do bond with their computers.

      Hell, I say that if its too hot to slap their wangs on an Intel processor, then let them slap their wangs on an AMD.

    3. Re:Reference to AMD by LanimilbusLE · · Score: 1

      I thought it was more directed at people who purchase computers based on tag-lines. AMD is not the all great and wonderful solution to everyones' computing needs. I choose my notebook to have a pentium-M because of the low power consumption and heat output. Even some super-computers using the pentium M chips because they make it easier to cool the rooms that house them. I love AMD and I think their latest product line gives Intel some stiff competition, but sir, do take your fan-boy rhetoric somewhere else.

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  19. More than one way to read that headline by Kelson · · Score: 5, Funny

    'Intel Inside' No More? My AMD system hasn't had an Intel inside for several years...

    1. Re:More than one way to read that headline by John+Bokma · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you check all ICs on the motherboard, and extension cards? I always had a good laugh when back in the good old days Acorn Archimedes owners told how proud they were that their computer had no Intel inside. They probably overlooked most of the ICs on the motherboard. The fun got even better when Intel, via, via, got the license to make their own ARM implementation :-D.

    2. Re:More than one way to read that headline by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of a sticker I saw on my buddy's amiga about 10 years ago. It read, "Intel Outside".

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    3. Re:More than one way to read that headline by ScaryFroMan · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't think that your AMD system would ever have had an Intel inside.

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    4. Re:More than one way to read that headline by Kelson · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't think that your AMD system would ever have had an Intel inside.

      Upgraded piece by piece over the course of 11 years. Started as an Intel 486, then a Kingston TurboChip, then AMD chips since them.

    5. Re:More than one way to read that headline by Kelson · · Score: 1

      Hah! That reminds me of a story someone told me about a guy who was extremely proud of his 100% American-made car, none of that foreign stuff, who opened the hood only to see the letters MITSUBISHI stamped on the engine.

      I found myself thinking of that story a couple of years ago when one of the major Japanese auto manufacturers made their US factories a central point of their latest ad campaign.

  20. Eh... by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

    This is the thing that always riles me about the companies with the less profitable businesses. Basically, the ones whose businesses are less profitable because their product sucks balls compared to the next competitor (compare Intel to AMD...). They dance around the issue of their products being a pile of shite and instead decide it's something to do with their image being staid or something. This is what Intel is doing; thinking that it's the brand that is at fault, and not the fact that AMD kicks their asses both performance wise and price wise. Sort of reminds me of ITV in the UK (dropping ratings, went through loads of rebrands despite almost constant criticism to the effect of "The BBC's programmes are better", ignored the critics).

    Yeah, I'm bitter. So sue me.

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    1. Re:Eh... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you are missing the point that Intel is changing the microarchitecture. This change will happen at the same time as changing the logo standard, so changing the branding isn't an empty gesture as you seem to suggest.

      I also don't understand how you are suggesting that Intel is less than profitable, according to a new Business Week article, their current annual net profit is estimated to be nearly $10B on $42B revenue.

    2. Re:Eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in a year Intel processors will be kicking AMD's ass again, and then the next year AMD will be kicking Intel's ass again, etc... It goes back and forth, but processor fanboys always seem to block that out.

      No doubt that when AMD changes their badges, most on slashdot will have an orgasm over it.

    3. Re:Eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the thing that always riles me about the companies with the less profitable businesses. Basically, the ones whose businesses are less profitable because their product sucks balls compared to the next competitor (compare Intel to AMD...).

      This is what riles me about people who think that businesses should care solely about technology. Having better technology is only one part of a successful business, marketing is also an important part. Compare Intel to AMD profit margins (21.8% vs .76%). Also compare the marketing budgets as a % of total sales, they are almost the same (~17%).

    4. Re:Eh... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1


      I think you are missing the point that Intel is changing the microarchitecture.

      THey are shrinking the feature size. All the architecture problems (FSB, 2 cores = 2 dies, etc.) are still there.

    5. Re:Eh... by dangitman · · Score: 1
      Basically, the ones whose businesses are less profitable because their product sucks balls compared to the next competitor (compare Intel to AMD...).

      Firstly, even if AMD does kick-ass performance wise, it doesn't matter. AMD simply cannot produce enough processors to supply a market as large as Intel's. AMD seems to mostly supply the gaming and Linux niches. Also, Intel is not less profitable than AMD, so i don't know where that comes from.

      Finally, while AMD processors have their advantages (for now, anyway) no normal customer thinks their Intel processor "sucks balls." A relative difference in performance doesn't amount to a product sucking outright. In fact, processors are one of the most reliable components a computer user has to buy. Seriously, how often does one get processor problems? People might say "this mouse sucks" or "this software sucks" or "this hard drive failed within a month, it sucks" - but almost nobody is thinking about their processor or having to fiddle with it.

      I don't like Intel either. I just think that they do sell a product that pretty much works as advertised, fails rarely, and they are able to ship enough all over the world to meet a significant demand. Very few consumer computer components suck less than Intel processors. And the other processors are in the same boat - AMD and IBM processors fulfil their niche markets, and are also very reliable. Compared to 90% of the other junk we get from electronics manufacturing, processors of all types are a godsend! And all these companies actually employ scientists and engineers, unlike companies such as Dell.

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    6. Re:Eh... by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      but almost nobody is thinking about their processor or having to fiddle with it.

      True, but there's a whole subculture of people who can think about nothing else.

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    7. Re:Eh... by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Hence the extreme lack of relevance or insight of many comments made on slashdot, despite the extreme familiarity with the topics.

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  21. Because of the heat .. "Hell Inside" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are dropping parts of the logo because the processors are so hot... now it will just read

    "Hell Inside"

  22. Hay look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess now all thats left to update is the 'Idiot Outside' that doesn't know anything about using a computer."

    A pithy bullshit slam against the 'great unwashed masses' that pay your salaries

    and send your jobs to more respectful and deserving workers in India.

  23. Re:The new logos... - are you sure? by mrbriguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they are doing away with "intel inside," and these are the new logos, why do they all say "inside?"

  24. Hmm...Mirror, mirror... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The next sound you hear is the air rushing out of an overinflated ego.*

    *And people wonder were the perception about geek's poor social skills comes from.

  25. Re:The new logos... - are you sure? by antdude · · Score: 1

    I don't know. Hence, why I said "I believe". Don't trust that source 100%. :)

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  26. Re:NEW LOGO LINKS HERE by Snover · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think certain people might like you to pay better attention to what you post to slashdot.

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  27. What happened to SEGA! by davygrvy · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I still miss SEGA! I say to myself each time I see a sega commercial on TV.

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    1. Re:What happened to SEGA! by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft happened to sega. Microsoft sold them an OS for their last console, the dreamcast. It was the prototype xbox in reality. Now microsoft is on their second console. Another MS partner destroyed. Now sega makes games for the xbox, gamecube and ps2.

    2. Re:What happened to SEGA! by Verteiron · · Score: 1

      My brain still twitches whenever I see a Sega game on a Nintendo console. That aside, the SEGA! thing had nothing on Segata Sanshiro. Segata never showed up on this side of the Pacific but in Japan he became a fairly major pop phenomenon. Segata Sanshiro would catch you and kick your ASS if he caught you NOT playing with your Dreamcast. Segata Sanshiro could throw a guy across a desolate wasteland and the guy would EXPLODE when he hit the ground, because Segata Sanshiro was just that much of a badass (okay, and it was a Bomberman commercial). He also had the coolest theme song ever. You can find the Segata videos on the internet fairly easily and if you are/were a Sega fan you should do so.

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    3. Re:What happened to SEGA! by Verteiron · · Score: 1

      And now I will post an off-topic reply to my own off-topic post to mention that my brain was stuck on the wrong console generation; Segata Sanshiro advertised the Saturn, not the Dreamcast. He's probably gonna kick my ass now...

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    4. Re:What happened to SEGA! by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 1

      I don't think that the Dreamcast was intended as a prototype xbox (though I agree that it became one, and I'm curious if MS paid Sega in any way for many aspects of the xbox design). I don't think that the partnership with MS had anything to do with its failure. Many newer arcade boards run some form of embedded Windows now anyway.

      What killed the Dreamcast in the US was a few things from what I can tell: lack of customer confidence in Sega's prior systems, lack of Sega marketing, bastard pre-emptive marketing by Sony (the bastards), and rabid idiots who liked the Playstation 1 (why?) and wouldn't go near it.

      I still have one, its a terrific console, and I regret its passing, but it would be foolish to blame MS for its failure.

  28. Intel is pretty good in video/audio encoding by Via_Patrino · · Score: 2, Informative

    When you talk about video encoding intel is pretty good because these are the programs which benefit most from high clock speeds, since most processing is limited to registers/L1 and use a lot of SSE2/3

    1. Re:Intel is pretty good in video/audio encoding by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      If you get free electricity and don't mind a lot of fan noise it is great.

  29. The new logo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no idea if this is the real thing or not, but this could be it.

    1. Re:The new logo? by B_un1t · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I thought they were getting rid of the 'inside'. I bet Apple will hate having to put stupid intel stickers on their sleek boxes.

  30. X86-Secret.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this some bizarre byproduct of Apple's switch to Intel? ;)

  31. What does Slashdot have inside? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder what /. is hosted on?

    Intel/AMD/PPC/Other

    And please, no "Beowulf Cluster" jokes, I really hope the IT guys hosting /. know better than to get anywhere near our cliches.

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    1. Re:What does Slashdot have inside? by Docasman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Shouldn't be hard to find out... http://slashdot.org/faq/tech.shtml#te050

    2. Re:What does Slashdot have inside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, right here...
      http://slashdot.org/faq/tech.shtml#te050

      They even make the Beowulf cluster joke. Also, yes, you don't need the latest processors just to host a web site.

    3. Re:What does Slashdot have inside? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      That page is 5 years old. I doubt if it is accurate.

    4. Re:What does Slashdot have inside? by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      They haven't updated the slashcode in that long (they just gave Malda a copy of FrontPage for what amounts to the recent 'improvements.'), so why should the hardware need updating. This site runs on VA Linux hardware and they're proud of it.

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    5. Re:What does Slashdot have inside? by mnmn · · Score: 1

      My home server is Va Linux too... and Va Linux 1000 at that. Nothing special really?

      Do I get bonus points for saying I'm running Windows XP (access: RDP) on it? No? Nevermind then.

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    6. Re:What does Slashdot have inside? by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      I remember when VA Linux started running small display ads in Linux Journal. Back when any color display ad at all that had the word 'Linux' in it was exciting.

      Oh, whatever...

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  32. Dude, you can't googlebomb with your sig by quokkapox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Busy googlebombing 'bunch of luddites' [mpaa.org].

    Googlebot sees slashdot pages as Anonymous Coward, who does not see signatures. If you want to googlebomb, you have to either use the linked phrase in the actual message text, or in your personal url.

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    1. Re:Dude, you can't googlebomb with your sig by dorkygeek · · Score: 1
      Which wouldn't work either, since all links in comments are rel="nofollow". Including the link you can include in the comment header as a logged in user.

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  33. Joke all you want... by foxtrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but I gotta figure it was marketing genius.

    In the early '90s, I worked in a retail computer store-- not a big box type place, but a smaller boutiqueish shop that employed people who might be actually able to answer a question.

    We sold, at the time, Intel 386DX/33s and AMD 386DX/40s as our lowest end systems. Indeed, the AMD sold for about fifty bucks more than the Intel-- because the clock speed was higher, see. But we'd "cut the customer a deal" and upgrade them "for free!" (No, we weren't being generous or anything-- our cost on the AMD hardware was actually lower... as was our RMA rate), saving them fifty bucks on a $750 computer system. Not exactly peanuts.

    Now, you and me, we see, "Wow, 125% the processing power for the same price? Sign me up!" You would think that, given that I'd sell you either for the same price, that I wouldn't have to keep an Intel 386/33 in stock at all. And Intel didn't make a 386 faster than that, the next step was to the much, MUCH more expensive 486, so it's not like one could upsell to Intel's 386DX/40, 'cause there didn't exist such a thing.

    Joe Average, however, often asked, "But does it have the Intel inside?" (often using that exact phrasing-- "the Intel.")

    In the 386 market, we sold on the order of one Intel for every three AMDs. Which doesn't sound like a lot until you note we shouldn't have sold a single Intel in the low-end market... Intel Inside worked.

    -JDF

    1. Re:Joke all you want... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The year was probably about 1991-1992. Intel begun the "Intel Inside" campaign in 1991 (although not here, in Spain), the same year they lauched the 486 and AMD their am386. This was the year I bought my first PC. Quite a change from my old 8-bit Z80 based home computer.

  34. Hey teach, I've got a question. by mnemonic_ · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Are you retarded?

  35. The New Logo is.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AMD Inside :-)

  36. Re:NEW LOGO LINKS HERE by daddyrief · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love surprise porn.

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  37. now they're changing it to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apartheid Inside.

  38. Intel Insidious by hutchike · · Score: 1

    "Intel Insidious" would be more apt...

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  39. you're kidding right? by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow, that's amazing. They TOTALLY botched that logo.

    AT&T was revered by graphic designers for having one of the better corporate identities. Moreover, SBC wanted to migrate to the AT&T identity because its was so strong (which was a really really smart)... but then they go and do that to their logo. What a bunch of retards.

    Some moron probably said "we need to make AT&T look friendly" ... which is a HIGHLY questionable direction. And then, who ever designed that thing really dropped the ball (no pun intended). It's the complete antitheses of the old logo.

    Ohh well, enjoy the increased print costs, the shitty looking faxes, the inability to visually communicate strength and reliability, the countless bouncy ball jokes, and being used as an example of what not do at every AIGA event during the next year.

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    1. Re:you're kidding right? by tepples · · Score: 1

      And then, who ever designed that thing really dropped the ball (no pun intended). It's the complete antitheses of the old logo.

      It's just the old logo rotated down a few degrees. Seriously.

    2. Re:you're kidding right? by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 2, Interesting

      hehe... and it's this mentality that just allowed SBC / AT&T to screw themselves.

      There is a lot of cognitive psychology that goes into a good corporate identity. On the surface it looks pretty similar, but people will unknowingly interpret this brand differently. Trrrust me. Believe it or not, this stuff actually has a significant affect upon marketing and sales. There's piles and piles of data to support this.

      Why you'd shell out millions of dollars for a new identity that will result in decreased sales? That's f**king duuumb.

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    3. Re:you're kidding right? by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some moron probably said "we need to make AT&T look friendly" ... which is a HIGHLY questionable direction.

      I disagree, that's exactly why they made the AT&T lowercase. There are lots of people who remember 'AT&T', the monopoly that was split up. The new 'at&t' doesn't want consumers to equate them to a huge stodgy company that was broken up for taking adventage of people.

      The funny thing is that's exactly what they are. The baby bells remerged and such and, minus a couple key players (Verizon and BellSouth), what you have here is the same megaconglomerate you had before. Too many smart people may notice what's going on and start asking embarassing questions like "Why did the FTC let this happen when they broke up the old company because they were too big?" so let's have some rebranding and such. Redo the logo in a friendly three-dimensional sphere and change the letters to non-threatening lower-case cuteness.

      No-no-no, Joe Consumer, we aren't AT&T, we're a new friendly communications company that's here to serve all your needs for the 21st century! Can you hear me behind this rubber mask? Good...

    4. Re:you're kidding right? by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

      Ya, I'm well aware of why they moved to a lower case frutiger-like typeface.

      Personally, I think SBC / AT&T should've done something more like what Safeway just did. They've made their logo more progressive and contemporary, but they've done it without farting in the face of their brand.

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    5. Re:you're kidding right? by Dirtside · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll say this much for design geeks: They're the only ones more annoying than audiophiles. :)

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  40. Re:NEW LOGO LINKS HERE by Segway+Ninja · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up for keeping bored teenage boys happy.

  41. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be new here. That's the way that it always goes on Slashdot!

  42. Re:Apple? by Phroggy · · Score: 1

    Could this possibly be the result of Apple pressuring? I can't imagine they wanted that sticker all over their future machines...

    Apple doesn't like ANY stickers all over their machines; whether Intel changes their logo or not, Apple won't be putting stickers on the box.

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  43. They could riff on Apple's slogan... by Jim+in+Buffalo · · Score: 1

    "think same"

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    1. Re:They could riff on Apple's slogan... by initialE · · Score: 1

      You _do_ know that Apple was ripping off the IBM slogan, "Think" right? Right?

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    2. Re:They could riff on Apple's slogan... by Jim+in+Buffalo · · Score: 1

      I think Bob and Doug talked about that on Great White North, eh?

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  44. Yes, it does. by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, as a professional graphic designer, I know for fact that a good visual identity DOES help sales. Big time.

    As a matter of fact, there is piles of peer reviewed academic psychological and sociological research supporting this.

    Unfortunately, most corporate identities and marketing campaigns suck.

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    1. Re:Yes, it does. by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      90% of everything sucks.

      (No, you didn't hear it here first.)

      Try to get most people to buy store brand over-the-counter drugs. They will argue that the name brand must have ingredients that make them work better, because they're more expensive. That's a quote from one standardized and commercialized idiot, BTW.

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  45. FDA covers a /lot/ more than that by emarkp · · Score: 1

    Seriously. I write software used for simulating radiation for cancer treatment. And we're FDA regulated.

    1. Re:FDA covers a /lot/ more than that by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      And I used to work for a company that produces implantable cardiac devices. The external 'programmer' that talks to the implanted device ran Windows NT.

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  46. Re:NEW LOGO LINKS HERE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
  47. Re:NEW LOGO LINKS HERE by highwaytohell · · Score: 1

    Thats a whole new meaning for Intel Inside right there...

  48. AMD's 386's were JUNK!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you liked AMD's 386s, you must not have done much with 'em. Mysterious program crashes (both DOS and Windows 3.x), and don't even dare to think to fantasize about loading Netware on an AMD 386. The SYS volume absolutely will not, under any cirucmstances mount, nomatter how hard you try. The AMD 386's are why a lot of us remain squeamish about AMD CPUs to this day. Their 486s and K5/K6s were pretty crappy too.

    1. Re:AMD's 386's were JUNK!!! by XPisthenewNT · · Score: 1

      No doubt, I had a mobo that would take up to a PentiumOne 200 Mhz OR at 400 Mhz AMD K6. Years later I got my hands on the K6 for cheap and saw no speed increase at all.

    2. Re:AMD's 386's were JUNK!!! by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      I doubt that. The K6 was certainly not AMDs fastest design [or more succintly most efficient] but it was not that bad. If you had a K6-2 400Mhz that ran things at the same rate as a 80586 at 200Mhz you likely were I/O bound and not ALU/FPU bound.

      Well maybe FPU ... back then Intel was king in the desktop market for FPU power. ...

      At anyrate, anyone who thinks AMD is "dodgy" when compared to Intel today is just fully loaded with a stockpile of bullshit.

      Tom

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    3. Re:AMD's 386's were JUNK!!! by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've had a perfectly fine experience with the AMD 386/40. I ran a linux mail server off one for several years without a single crash. It ran distributed.net clients, and other processor intensive apps 24/7 without a hitch. The only problem I experienced with the machine was from very old hard drives, and a worn out power supply. I've still got the machine (finally retired it after I needed more horsepower) and I'm sure it would fire up just fine if I had some reason to use it.

      I really don't know why you had such trouble. The chip itself was identical to the Intel version. Maybe you had a poor quality motherboard?

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    4. Re:AMD's 386's were JUNK!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today? No. Dodgy back then? Absolutely.

    5. Re:AMD's 386's were JUNK!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. I ran an AMD K6-2 266Mhz from mid-1998 until late 2002, when I upgraded to my current Athlon XP 2000+. That little K6 ran like a dream, running GNOME without a hitch (though KDE was a little slow back then). I found Java development was a bit of a pain (and loved when my roommate gave me an account on his Celeron 900, so I could compile and run webapps there), but it was a solid, diehard machine. Playing high resolution (720x480) DivX under mplayer wasn't possible, but I could run mencoder overnight and downsample to a lower resolution. Eventually, during the hottest months of 2002 (before my big upgrade), I noticed random crashes. I took my case off while running, and noticed that the processor fan had stopped spinning. After cleaning it out, and dusting the heatsink, it ran well again until I bought my new machine.

    6. Re:AMD's 386's were JUNK!!! by foxtrot · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing he's thinking about the Cyrix clone, which was bad enough for both of 'em combined and then some; as bad as that Cyrix often was-- which may or may not have even been the Cyrix part; one so rarely saw a decent quality motherboard with the Cyrix processor on it that who _knows_ what the processor itself was doing-- it wouldn't surprise me if he's painted all the clones with the same brush. Some really low-end manufacturers were using NEC v20s back in the XT days, but at least those were also available in some better hardware and you could tell it wasn't the processor's fault. The NEC chips still got something of a bad rap for it, though.

      The AMD part was, however, bug-for-bug compatible with the i386. We used 'em in Netware shops, Lantastic shops, Netware Lite, I ran Linux on one... Only thing that wouldn't run reliably on it was Windows 3.1, and heck, it didn't run right on the Intel part, either.

      I did have one other problem with the 386DX/40, and that was when VESA Local Bus came around: VESA Local Bus ran at processor/FSB speed, which for 386en was the same thing. If you bought a cheapass VESA Local Bus video card, it didn't want to run at 40MHz. But you had to go _very_ cheapass for that to be a problem; even low-end cards from reputable manufacturers like Diamond or Genoa ran just fine on a 40MHz VLB.

      -JDF

  49. Re:Apple? by cowscows · · Score: 1

    I don't think so.

    I'd imagine Intel had a few other options besides either requiring Apple to include the sticker or dropping a marketing scheme built up over many years.

    The way I understand it, Intel has generally contributed funds for advertising to computer manufacturers in return for them including the stickers and the little logo w/intel sound in all their commercials. Maybe the payoff from making those sorts of deals is no longer beneficial to Intel. Factor in the impending release of a new logo, and you've got yourself a whole rebranding adventure. They're probably paying a big bunch of marketing folks, might as well use em.

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  50. GAH! by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've spent the past decade putting those "Intel Inside" stickers onto EVERY trash can and waste bin in my building! Now I've got to start over?

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  51. Steve Jobs . . . by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 1

    . . . put the kibosh on it. He wasn't about to have that logo on his pretty new Intel Macs.

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    1. Re:Steve Jobs . . . by JackAxe · · Score: 1

      I was thinking basically the same thing. :)

  52. We are all unique by heinousjay · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I like the chorus of edgy upmodded "I hate intel" posts.

    People are all the same, nerds, jocks, cheerleaders, strippers, special olympians - they have to self-organize into their little cliques complete with conventions and rules and mores and the like. It's fun to be on the outside watching. It's like puppy dog eyes. So pathetic it's cute.

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  53. LogoWatch by phasm42 · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of those LogoWatch articles on the Reg. Bad omen for Intel..

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  54. Holy corporate identities, Batman! by dangitman · · Score: 2, Funny
    The Inquirer is reporting that Intel is getting rid of its tagline 'Intel Inside' and plans to run a huge logo launch this January.

    Exactly how big is this huge logo going to be? I thought computers were getting smaller, not bigger. Will it be like the XBox 360 and you'll have a "brick" sitting next to the machine just to display the intel logo?

    I know Intel wants to crush their competition, but this is ridiculous.

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    1. Re:Holy corporate identities, Batman! by AnXa · · Score: 1

      You are forgetting that we can allways invent more of these slogans. I am pretty sure somebody will soon invent "Idiot behind", "Leap to Linux" and "Evil Leap" kind of slogans since it's the nature of web. Aristoteles said once that when there is a group of people and they know something about the subject, if nobody lies they can build the truth about the facts they have bought, even if someone is lying their part of it. Wikipedia is just based on this idea. I think that it won't be long when we have a tshirt where reads "Leap ahead, get AMD inside"

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  55. You know that's a fake, right? by charnov · · Score: 1

    That video is a well debunked fake. It was meant as a joke (the easy to spot earplugs in the video and the still-attached core should be a hint...if the 3 GHz on a Duron without water cooling isn't).

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  56. 3? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    3?

    1. Re:3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not a number, I'm a free man!

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    2. Re:3? by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      5
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  57. A $35.6 billion brand! by larry_larry · · Score: 1

    The Intel brand was ranked #5 for Business Week's 2005 Global Brands Scoreboard just below Coke, Microsoft, IBM & GE, with a brand value of $35.6 billion.

    They must have done something right... some combination of image, cost, and core-values. Seems Intel stives to have all employees aligning with these values. That 1994 Pentium bug could have really damaged the brand, but they managed it by apologizing, recalling and replacing at a cost of $300 million.

  58. Honestly, by jpellino · · Score: 1

    why in the name of all that is good and bad do people leave the bloody stickers on their computers - especially laptops? A year later and you've got ratty tatters of these things on the palmrests. PULL THEM OFF.

    All done. Thanks.

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    1. Re:Honestly, by larry_larry · · Score: 1

      Just tried to but the damn things are too stuck. What kind of glue are they using? Now where's that utility knife.

  59. Had to meet Apple halfway by Wallstreetfighter.co · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They needed a change anyway and there was no way Apple was going to put "Intel Inside" on their new computers. They will come up with a Special place to put these new stickers so it doesn't take away from the look of Apple's new computers. This team of Apple and Intel is going to be huge. Apple is going to save millions (and get Millions) with Intel. Apple stock has always been a buy but now Intel is a big buy with all the computers Apple is about to sell. More at http://wallstreetfighter.blogspot.com/2005/12/inte l-changing-slogan-to-leap-ahead.html

    1. Re:Had to meet Apple halfway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please mod this up

  60. At least one his images is pertinent... by d3m057h3n35 · · Score: 1

    And displays a strong knowledge of /. tradition: Natalie Portman's response when confronted by the hot grits.

  61. link by tezbobobo · · Score: 2, Informative

    this is the 'non-porn' actual new logos (I think)

  62. Logical reason for this by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

    You see, people are catching on to big brother spying on them, and if they were to see 'intel inside', which could be short for 'intelligence inside', they might not buy the machine. So, when the new TPM machines start coming out, the buyers won't be scared away, and they will end up buying a machine that you can't trust.

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    1. Re:Logical reason for this by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

      so you are saying the new logo will be "nothing to see here, please move along"? or maybe they will keep and say "intel inside, because terrorists outside".

  63. Outside the asylum by dangitman · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Hmmm, I think the connection might be a bit less direct than that, but still relevant. Intel's marketing genius was to focus customer's attention on the mystical "inside" of the computer. This is not normal for consumer products, which are usually designed by the world's top designers and aestheticists to appeal to all the senses. but computers were just a really ugly, space-wasting box. Intel succeeds from diverting the customer's attention from the crappy hardware, the crappy OS and the crappy applications by positing this "magical" force inside the computer. So, the machine can be clunky and uncomfortable to use, but the customer is reassured by the idea of a magical processor that is worth more than gold.

    Apple was the only one in a position to challenge this strategy. They made the computer itself to appealing and enticing, that you don't care what processor it has, or if the OS is not compatible with Windows. This was moderately successful, but back in the original iMac days, "what's inside" counted a lot more than it did today. Computers in general were still slow for the tasks they did, and small differences in processors made a huge difference to how much work you actually got done.

    Today, processors are "fast enough" that most people won't notice a difference in their productivity with a faster processor. What matters more now, is ergonomics, compactness, and noise levels. And the overall usability of the machine, of course. not only that, processors seem to be at a plateau where they are not getting faster quickly - and an AMD, an Intel, or an IBM PPC isn't an issue for most people.

    I think Intel saw this coming - and hence the Centrino campaign. Also, Intel have been trying for years to stimulate OEMs to make more interesting-looking and innovative PCs. They release the "concept PC" ideas in the hopes that someone will manufacture it. It's been a total failure for them. OEMs weren't interested in deviating from standard cases - and Intel's concept designs sucked so bad that nobody would buy them, anyway.

    Intel knows that Apple owns the outside of the computer, and they own the inside. Together, the companies are thinking through the box, rather than inside or outside it.

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  64. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bitch, you had it coming.

    Moron.

  65. Re:The new logos... - are you sure? by JPriest · · Score: 3, Funny

    Slashdot says they won't say "Intel inside" any more, so I would trust Slashdot as the authoritative source.

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  66. Actually, you're wrong by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
    cause its not like manufactured PCs have AMDs very often...

    Even the BestBuy HP offerings are almost 50/50 Intel/AMD. I recently bought one for a general house PC, and I specifically got the AMD chipped one, because the Intel ones lacked an AGP slot (much less PCIe). Onboard video only. Bah.

  67. Why would Apple be forced to use Intel stickers? by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 1

    Where does it say that Apple *has* to have the Intel sticker on its (Apple's) products? I don't remember ever seeing a Motorola or IBM sticker on any Apple system, why would they have to do it for Intel?

  68. MacDailyNews has new Intel logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:MacDailyNews has new Intel logo by BruceCage · · Score: 1

      And those logos once again point to the same location [giggity.net], mentioned over and over again. They still say "inside". Confusing...

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  69. Picture of the new logo by gcnaddict · · Score: 2, Informative

    in this anandtech article:
    http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.asp x?i=2648

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  70. Just like "Pentium" was supposd to be 586 only... by Zantetsuken · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ya, and the name on the Pentium chip was supposed to be for the 586 only, and people thought it was so catchy they called the 686, 786 (P3), and 886 (P4) Pentium's also. It's great they're finally changing the market name, but I mean, c'mon, "Yonah"? I'm sure they thought about it and to Intel it sounds cool, but personally I think they coulda came up with a better name. At that rate, what's the new "Intel Inside" replacement gonna be...?

  71. Darn it! by fm6 · · Score: 1

    I wasn't in time be the first submitter with this story. Had the perfect headline too: "Intel drops slogan, raises letter e."

  72. Slogan change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...sources have suggested that Intel will dump the "Intel Inside" label in favor of "(almost like an) AMD Athlon".

    1. Re:Slogan change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it'll be "I can't believe it's not melting!"

  73. Dumber things have happened, no? by twitter · · Score: 1
    They've trademarked 'inside'?

    How about "Core"? Surely, these are graphic layout trademarks and they don't intend to sue anyone who would say their box has a CPU Core Inside it. Say it ain't so, that the world is just dumb enough to let companies threaten people for the use of "Word", "Lindows", "Killustrator" and others obvious names regardless of the way they are drawn.

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  74. Re:Just like "Pentium" was supposd to be 586 only. by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

    they called the 686, 786 (P3), and 886 (P4) Pentium's also.

    Oh, comeon. Acknowlede the PentiumPro, too, if you're going to mention '686'. It was a fine processor, and a brave step forward by Intel. (the PPro was the first Intel processor to be 'slightly less x86 compatible' than the Pentium before it- Intel's first step away from the awful old CISC architecture. People lambasted it rigorously because 'it won't run MS-DOS programs as fast.')

    My PentiumPro machine here has four of 'em in it. With the 1M cache.

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  75. Wrong by quokkapox · · Score: 1

    Umm, no. I don't see the rel="nofollow" attribute in the a hrefs in comment links, nor is it present in the comment header for the personal url. Whether I'm logged in, or not.

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    1. Re:Wrong by Scarblac · · Score: 1

      Does this mean all those complaints about *BeatlesBeatles* or whatever his name is are completely bogus, since he could do the same with normal posts instead of articles?

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    2. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because those links show up on the front page too.

    3. Re:Wrong by dorkygeek · · Score: 1
      Hmm, I checked some more /. pages, and it turns out that only sometimes the rel="nofollow" is added (being it in on links in the comment header or in the comment body itself). I couldn't find a pattern though.

      Take a look at e.g. http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=172568 &cid=14368210. User "FooAtWFU (699187)"'s link in the comment header does not have the attribute, whereas the link in the comment heads of user "Kelz (611260)" has it. Looks like just another slashcode bug.

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  76. They expect to spur demand, but is that rational? by Infonaut · · Score: 1
    Intel explains it as creating a recognizable brand that makes people comfortable when they're shelling out big bucks on a new computer (mind you, they use different words). This increases demand and makes OEMs happy because they are essentially riding on the coattails of Intel's branding effort. It also makes Intel happy, because regardless of which OEM sells the machine, as long as it's got an Intel chip inside, Intel makes money.

    That said, not everyone believes that branding really provides much value to companies. I'd say that in general whether you believe in the power of branding or not depends in large part on how much money you've spent on branding and how successful your company has been in the marketplace. If you've spent a lot of money on branding and have risen to dominate your market, you likely won't want to stop your branding efforts, if for no reason other than to avoid rocking the boat. I'm sure many big branding spenders don't have much emperical data to back up their belief that branding is effective. On the other hand, bean counters aren't always very good at incorporating intangibles into their calculations. When is the last time you heard a CFO say, "Yeah, we need to spend more money on tech support, so people will get a warm fuzzy feeling after we respond to their problem."

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  77. Re:Apple? by Kenshin · · Score: 1

    They're calling their new processor the "Intel Core".

    Now think, what's inside an apple?

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  78. Intel inside no longer matters by mnmn · · Score: 3, Informative

    I bought a computer for a friend a week ago. He didnt know much but he knew he wanted the 'real thing'. In other words of his, 'real intel stuff' or 'genuine stuff' or 'should be intel inside for real'.

    So I dug deeper into his questions. He remembered the K5 from AMD and its troubles. He remembered people trying to pass the Cyrix processor off as Pentium MMX chips, while the real Intel was expensive. In many countries sellers had no issues marketing the Cyrix and K4 and K5 as 'Intel Pentium' and even as 'Intel Cyrix' in places, to make the point that its EQUIVALENT to those chips. The Pentium was the more stable one in those days.

    How times have changed. I explained how AMD is leading now and the only other company is Intel. Others like Via and (RIP) Transmeta dont even TRY to tackle AMD and Intel head-on and just market themselves as low-power mobile chips and such. 'Intel Inside' is now a bad thing. It means your 64-bit architecture implementation is either a bad copy of AMD or a bad failure (Itanium). AMD, as long as its not one of those early Athlon chips which could turn a house in Antarctica into a sauna, means good chips, better bang for the buck, and now means the only way to go if you want 64-bits and x86 in the same bag (or if you want Microsoft and 64-bit).

    We bought an Athlon-64 machine.

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    1. Re:Intel inside no longer matters by ultramk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Does your friend regularly use software that consumes more than 4gb of memory? I'm guessing not.

      So... tell me again what the 64-bit advantage is for your average joe schmoe?

      (I have 6gb in my G5, but I'm hardly an average user.)

      m-

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    2. Re:Intel inside no longer matters by Trixter · · Score: 1

      Faster processing, you maroon. 64-bit computing's advantages reach far beyond the additional memory space.

      For the uninitiated: There are 64-bit instructions that can perform operations on 64-bit registers at the same number of cycles (or less!) as their 32-bit equivalents. It's an automatic speedup -- at the same clock speed -- for certain types of programming challenges that know to use those instructions if detected.

    3. Re:Intel inside no longer matters by ultramk · · Score: 1

      Faster processing, you maroon. 64-bit computing's advantages reach far beyond the additional memory space.

      Really? That's odd. I was under the impression that it was only in very specific circumstances that you saw any real performance gain from 64-bit. Like scientific computing etc.

      To blockquote the Wiki:

      While 64-bit architectures indisputably make working with huge data sets in applications such as digital video, scientific computing, and large databases easier, there has been considerable debate as to whether they or their 32-bit compatibility modes will be faster than comparably-priced 32-bit systems for other tasks.
      Theoretically, some programs could well be faster in 32-bit mode. Under some architectures, instructions for 64-bit computing take up more storage space than the earlier 32-bit ones, so it is possible that some 32-bit programs will fit into the CPU's high-speed cache while equivalent 64-bit programs will not. In basic terms moving 64 bits at a time to perform otherwise 32 bit work simply requires more processing effort to/from memory.
      link

      So, unless our definition of the average user has expanded to include "digital video, scientific computing, and large databases"... it seems like the equivalent of buying a 9-seat SUV to make grocery store runs. Inefficient. Overkill.

      Imo, naturally.

      m-

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    4. Re:Intel inside no longer matters by EnglishDude · · Score: 1

      Agreed totally but recently I upgraded my mum's computer - she obviously doesn't need 64bit stuff, and I was amazed how few 32bit stuff are still being sold - at my favourite online computer shop, I only saw one 32bit Athlon (a 3GHz Barton) and 4 32bit Semprons being sold, and high end 32bit motherboards were selling for peanuts. I had to buy a Sempron even tho I prefer Athlons - 2nd hand Athlons at the same price has a lower FSB than the Sempron and I figured FSB speed was more important for my mum than raw processor speed. But even tho I got the cheapest possible Sempron, it was still overkill for my mum.

      I'm sure in a year or two, 32bit hardware will vanish from this online shop I buy regularly - so say if I upgraded my mum's comptuer next year, I would be forced to use 64 bit stuff even tho she would see zero benefit from it?

  79. Could it be... 'NSA Inside'? by 2e · · Score: 0

    Actually, I think it will be 'Intel GDLKJTSQ'.
    Since they've moved to the new numbering scheme where they use semi-random digits which have absolutely nothing to do with the processor itself...
    Why shouldn't the logo be equally cryptic and confusing?

    DJJLKT?
    er, right?

  80. Re:First Idiot? by Mahou · · Score: 1

    I guess now all thats left to update is the 'Idiot Outside' that doesn't know anything about using a computer.

    am i the only one that takes issue with this troll's little statement that didn't get edited out? what the hell? i know people like to hate on intel and such but for fuck's sake, chill out, you crazy amd fanboys

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  81. Re:NEW LOGO LINKS HERE by CvD · · Score: 1

    Heh you wonder if its the same girl showing her titties in earlier pictures... very nice titties I must add. :-)

  82. MS Stickers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...were my favourites. All the toilets and pissoirs in my floor had a "Designed for Microsoft Windows" sticker on it :)

  83. Who Shits a Give? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who Shits a Give?

  84. "Intel Core Duo"??? by master_p · · Score: 1

    Impressive name for a ...condom, but not for a CPU series...

  85. Re:Just like "Pentium" was supposd to be 586 only. by Zantetsuken · · Score: 1

    (crap I was almost finished with this reply when I incidentally closed the tab)

    Sorry if you misunderstood my post, I wasn't trying to disrespect Intel Pentium's (though I have become an AMD fan recently), the Pentium is a reliable series of processor (unlike the Celeron I despise so much...).

    What I was trying to say was this: why did Intel not continue with the number naming convention (though I admit they would have run out of names without getting cliche past the point of no return). Intel could have named the 686 the "Hexium", the 786 the "Septium" (is it just me or does that sound too much like septic tank?), and the 886 the "Octium". Personally, Hexium and Octium sound a HELL OF A LOT COOLER than Pentium 2, Pentium 3, Pentium 4 (Pentium 4 doesn't sound as bad, but maybe thats just because the name has been around for 10 years and is practically a household name among computer nuts).

  86. That's no moon! by EnsilZah · · Score: 1

    It's a corporate logo!

  87. Whatever it is, don't put it on my Mac by Nice2Cats · · Score: 1

    Right now, the one thing that could really turn me off from buying a new Intel-Mac would be if they started slapping those stupid stickers on the outside -- you know, the ones that make Windows laptops look like hick suitcases. I don't care what the new logo ist, but they had better include the stickers in the box (like Apple does) instead of slapping them on the machine.

  88. Re:The new logos... - are you sure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I don't know. Hence, why I said "I believe". Don't trust that source 100%. :)

    If you don't trust the source, why do you believe it?
  89. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awww. Sounds like poor wittle cowboy neal is angry that he got stuck with the night shift.

  90. Will the processor id change? by WWWWolf · · Score: 1

    Will the new Intel processors be reported as "YepStillIntel", too, instead of the old "GenuineIntel"? =)

    (If you don't get it, do cat /proc/cpuinfo on just about any non-Intel x86-compatible box =)

  91. Sadly by Sir_Real · · Score: 1

    Soon, there won't be a chip manufacturer left that won't be able to make the same claim.

  92. Re:First Idiot? by Igarden2 · · Score: 1

    I own one of those AMD fan boxes. The processor works ok. The fan is too loud. It helps me heat my office in winter. That's the yin and the yang of it.

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  93. Re:NEW LOGO LINKS HERE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://images.giggity.net/celebs was a nice chance to try the "get image URLS" & "download URLS" functionality from OS X Automator

  94. New Tagline... by mrbriguy · · Score: 1

    Not sure if anyone is still reading this thread - but the Wall Street Journal is reporting the company's new tagline to be "'Leap ahead,' emulating such campaigns as 'Think different' from Apple Computer Inc."

    The full artical can be found at the wallstreet journal website, subscription required. http://wsj.com/

    1. Re:New Tagline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even "JMP ahead"? Lame!

  95. Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *Xenon, not Xeon, my bad.

    1. Re:Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xenu!

  96. OK, maybe these are NOT the logos... by antdude · · Score: 1

    Read CNET News.com's article. I guess that image was incorrect. :(

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  97. Coffee and Tea! by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 1

    Quit whining and go have some coffee? tea? Sega?!?

    -M

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  98. Apple, Intel's Chime, and the Blue Man Group by John+Muir · · Score: 1

    Hear hear!

    I also expect the following from the Intel Macs:

    1. New system start sound - last changed with PowerPC - sounding a little like Intel's famous chimes, or maybe the new one they could also be about to unveil?

    2. Big advertising push with Intel and Apple coordinating their work and helping eachother. Apple love the Intel cash, and Intel really need the new machines to showcase their chips and chipsets / wifi.

    3. Apple want the BLUE MAN GROUP!!

    All that and slim as hell sub notebooks ... it should be pretty neat.

  99. Re:NEW LOGO LINKS HERE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure girls don't like their breasts being called titties.

    they prefer 'boobies'.

    sheesh, some people are so disrespectful.

  100. Re:Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A bad OS

  101. Re:Just like "Pentium" was supposd to be 586 only. by J.+T.+MacLeod · · Score: 1

    It's due to trademark issues, actually.

    You can't trademark numbers. Giving your products numeric names is a legal minefield.

    At the time of the Pentium, they added an actual name, and post Pentium Pro (the 686), they dropped the numbers.

  102. Manipulation by HalAtWork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The consumer doesn't care if they change the branding/etc.

    It's just that after a certain point, consumers tune out all the advertisement because it hasn't reached them and they're tired of seeing it over and over for the last 10 years, it doesn't even phase them, they can tune it out like background noise.

    Now if the company comes up with a new slogan that the consumer's not used to, they won't automatically tune it out because it's new and it hasn't faded into the background for them yet, so now they'll consider it more than they used to.

    So this is the win for the company, just being able to snap their fingers and get everyone to take a quick second look and perhaps be drawn into a new campaign or something.

    It's just like companies that come out with new wrappers for chocolate bars or new marshmallow shapes for cereals. It just gives them another excuse to change things up and maybe catch your attention again. It prevents you from automatically tuning all of these things out.

  103. When is SONY going to change theirs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Using the slogan "Like No Other" seems a little less wise when the uniqueness you have recently been pandering includes such things as illegally installing rootkits on users' computers, or painting graffiti illegally on city walls :-)

  104. reminds me of SGI by couch_warrior · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It has been my personal exprience that a new logo comes just before a company falls into serious decline. Like when the former giant International Harvester (remember the "Scout") became *wince* Travelstar, or when the mighty Burroughs transmuted into the wimpy Unisys. Of course the name doesn't always change, I worked at SGI when they paid a consultant a reported $10M to convert their logo from the gleaming silver cube to the lower case letters sgi half-falling off the bottom of the page. Prophetically this happened just before the bottom fell out of sgi, and they began 15% layoffs every quarter.
    Reinventing the corporate image is one of the things management types do to divert attention when a company is circling the edge of the toilet bowl...

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  105. Re:Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, not linux, you doof.

  106. Re:Just like "Pentium" was supposd to be 586 only. by EnglishDude · · Score: 1

    Eh? Thought both the P2 and P3 are 686, and P4 is 786?

  107. Re:Just like "Pentium" was supposd to be 586 only. by Zantetsuken · · Score: 1

    sorry about that, I dont follow up on chips THAT much, I had simply remembered the numbering conventions with the 486 and previous processors, that the original Pentium was the 586, and the P2s were 686, and so (I suppose rather stupidly) assumed that the P3 was an entirely different chip than the P2. sorry bout that...

  108. New slogan by TummyX · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "Apple Outside"

  109. Re:Just like "Pentium" was supposd to be 586 only. by EnglishDude · · Score: 1

    Heh no worries mate - don't be sorry :)

    Evidence that Intel wanted everyone to think the P3 was a new generation of processors over the P2 :)

  110. That wasn't what Itanium did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They tried with Itanic. Many other candidates existed to dethrone the x86 - MIPS, Alpha, PowerPC. None succeeded.

    Itanium wasn't a serious attempt to dethrone x86. (Or, if it was, it was a spectacularly poor one.) Itanium was for servers and high-end workstations. The first version, in June 2001, cost $1200-$4000 for just the CPU, and once you bought one, performance was unimpressive. If anybody thought this would dethrone x86 from Dell-land, they were doing some serious drugs. The way you take on the CPU market is by *lowering* prices and *increasing* performance, as anybody at AMD can tell you. (Since CPU speeds are increasing so quickly, yesterday's high-end server is slower than today's el cheapo Dell, so designing a CPU for high-end machines might not be the brightest idea to begin with.)

    What Itanium *did* do is convince everybody who was working on competing 64-bit CPUs to pretty much give up. (Note that the only one to survive did it on x86.) Itanium failed only if you believe that the goal of every product is to be a huge seller. In this case, it was more like a kamikaze, taking up some of Intel's resources but taking out all of their competition.

    Of course, in truth it's probably more like the New Coke fiasco: they're not quite that smart, and not quite that dumb.

    1. Re:That wasn't what Itanium did by rbanffy · · Score: 1

      At first, Intel touted the Itanium as the next mainstream processor. The workstation-server rethinking came after they realized they coundn't make it cheap enough or fast enough - better yet - when they realized Microsoft coundn't make Windows run fast enough on it.

      Itanium taught (again) no one should trust Microsoft to support their products or make a product that is only viable if Microsoft supports it. MIPS, PowerPC (non-Macintosh) and Alpha existed while there was a Windows version for them and vanished when there wasn't.

      Itanium is just one more casualty.

  111. Re:The new logos... - are you sure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I don't know. Hence, why I said "I believe". Don't trust that source 100%. :)

    I believe some people say you are a douche bag. I don't trust those sources 100% though, so take it with a big grain of salt.

  112. Then... by DimGeo · · Score: 1

    Khan Solo might be more appropriate

  113. Re:First Idiot? by qvek · · Score: 0

    He said fanboy not fanbox.