You like how it works? If your program didn't take the whole world by storm, Big Business laughs at you and says you're "nothing but a basement hippy hacker". If your program *did* take the world by storm, Big Business pounces on it and says "it was our idea the whole time!"
You can hardly blame us for wanting at least slightly better measures to keep such things from happening all the time!
Rest assured, mod points are not used because we do not agree. Mod points are used to say "You have committed a troll!"
We have great ideas on how to prevent such things from happening next time. It's called storm the big white buildings in our capitol and lynch the bastards who caused it. Problem solved, and here's your tax money back.
It's scary to think how easily we could do it...who needs the island? I haven't considered myself an actual citizen of the United States for years, now. I belong to this nation that exists world-wide with bits of it in every country, where I am free to use all my brains to be the best that I can be. A country's just the piece of dirt where you can rent a house to keep your stuff in while you're there...
How about:
I pledge allegience to the ideas
of the United World of Technasia
and to the freedoms for which it stands:
One people, many countries,
many colors and many walks of life,
With intellectual and financial freedom and opportunity for all.
That actually means "We're going to draft every last one of them into the army and send them to die stealing oil for us, unless their parents are rich and white." If you have kids, you've seen the pedophiles^H^H^H^H^H military recruiters - hovering around the schools. My kid's are NINE and they're getting exposed to it already!
I can think of plenty of changes that happened as a result of 9/11, mainly that idiots whom we'd spent years beating into silence suddenly felt at liberty to speak up again. Many of them working for the government.
This time I was trying it on chatjunkies and was autojoined to #xchat and before I could try it, somebody else joined and beat me to it! They got booted, too. Looks like the party's winding down...
Maybe the rest of you have to be careful, but I despise chat anyway, haven't stuck my head in a room in five years and don't expect to in five more. I just tried it on Quakenet #windows and got kicked and a bot started flooding me "st0p being 1ame U r3tard!!!!111" You don't suppose they're just a teeny bit sensitive about this by now, do you?
And LIBRARIES! And trains and planes and buses! And lobbies and waiting rooms! And museums and conservatories!
And just to get the flaming out of the way in one post: Hell, No, nobody has a "right" to use a cell phone PERIOD! It is a convenience and priviledge bestowed only recently by science. If your phone call is so important that it cannot wait, it's important enough that you need to step outside of the library when I'm reading, the theatre when I'm trying to listen to the show, the rides at the amusement park I'm trying to enjoy, the orgy where I'm trying to get my freak on*, the doctor's office when I'm trying to hear my kid's diagnosis, etc. Anybody who responds to say otherwise has some serious issues with polite society.
The public transportation is debatable. Maybe buses/trains/etc. could have a "no cell phone zone". Restaurants, too. My rule of thumb is, any place and time where it would be rude to have a loud, extended conversation with any other person in the room (such as when you'd be interrupting the person who is speaking, singing, or performing), then it's rude to use a cell phone.
ITYM "let the corporations spoon feed THEM." Look, nobody led me to Linux, I sought it out. I did it myself with nothing but the Hacker's Dictionary and Neal Stephenson's "In the Beginning was the Command Line" to guide me. I didn't have to call a 1-800 number off the TV set and have two Linux missionaries come over and witness at me. Had somebody tried to drag me kicking and screaming to Linux, I probably would have avoided it. What is so hard to understand, here? Linux is as free to download and burn for anybody else as it is for me. There is documentation available. That's all anybody needs to get Linux, and to try to do more is stoooopid, because you can't make people who refuse to change change.
I implied that Linux offers nothing to users over Windows
the "Linux sucks!" crowd, but I'm not one of them.
This is getting quite funny. HOW do you resolve these two statements? How do you claim to have run Gentoo, Fedora, and Suse and say that they offer NOTHING over Windows? I'm not going to list it. You hate Linux, you're a Microsoft shill, and you're not only a liar, but an artless one at that.
I'm trying to provide realistic assements of why Linux is having difficulties in making inroads.
Don't strain yourself. I posted in another thread re Vista marketing: the sole reason Windows is adopted and Linux is out in the cold is marketing. Given the gobs of money for ad campaigns, lawyers to rig the playing field, and industrial-strength FUD, you could just as easily have altered history so that the whole world would have standardized on Tom's root/boot floppy. The sole difference is brain-washing. People in the street don't know squat about computers, so they do what the TV set tells them to. It is a waste of time to debate WHY Linux is better (as this conversation with you shows), simply buying air time and using it to scream "It'sGREAT!It'sGREAT!It'sGREAT!" overandover would be sufficient.
Well, I don't see anywhere productive for this discussion to go from here. Tell your billy-boss I said "Nice try".
If you haven't guessed it by now: "Mainstream" is the farthest you could get from describing me. Programming tools are not "mainstream" or more people would use them than not use them.
"Please, people, when you write in, try to have a point, OK? It just makes the show move along a whole lot faster."
Hey, "Batman", I'll even say I'm sorry for coming off rude. But what response DO YOU EXPECT when you make such ludicrous statements? I've had my nose on a computer screen since the Vic-20 came out. I've run Windows, MacIntosh, OS/2, Linux, BSD, OpenSolaris, GNU/HURD, and Plan 9 from Bell Labs. I download new releases of OSs on a monthly basis, and have the reviews and screenshots on my blog to prove it. With the exception of MacIntosh (and that's only because it's been a while since my Mac days so I don't remember well) and the newest cutting-edge Windows (I can't afford to buy every new copy that comes out; the machines I use at the libraries and internet cafes as well as the ones I've used at work hold to this rule, anyway), I can state that I have never beheld a desktop computer that didn't display *any* text under *any* circumstances on power-up, and also that I haven't seen a Linux distro limited to a pure text boot since the older Slackwares. Fedora Core Four, Mandriva, MediainLinux to name just three of thousands are GUI boot/logins. So you have a side-scrolling progress bar with the words "press F2 for verbose mode" (aha! look! text!) instead of helpful verbose messages.
These are the realities of the situation, and you and you alone come along and assert (a) that Linux is nothing but scrolling text, and (b) imply that this and this alone is worthy evidence why Linux is crap and Windows is gold-plated.
No kidding. Sir, take this with the utmost respect for you: you're either pulling my leg or full of shit. Does it sound better now that I sprinkled sugar on it? Do you feel better now that I fed your hunger for attention?
See once I'd played around with OSes for awhile, I pondered what it was that made one system win over another. This week I got my paws on the Elive CD 0.4 and it's Enlightenment desktop running on Debian. If quality meant anything at all in the computer market, Windows would be unheard of and Elive would split the home computer market 40/40/10/10 with MacIntosh systems, BSD, and other Linuxes. If Joe Sixpack gave a thin damn about even how the system looks, how well it plays, let alone how stable and secure it is, Vista wouldn't even make it onto Slashdot's front page.
Instead, we continue to have Microsoft ripoffs pushed in our face, while you're lucky to even hear about Elive in your lifetime, let alone get your hands on Elive in a timely fashion (they don't even have a server; it's bit-torrent or nothing!). So it boils down to that there are four - no wait - five things that have any affect at all on which system is the most used: marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, and last but not least: marketing.
If I had the money and I was *that* bored (and starved for sick amusement), I could launch a massive media campaign combined with legal-industrial blitz to convince all of you that Tom's root/boot floppy was the best/most desirable system to run with the best features. And it would be bundled with every sold machine! The Internet would move back to Usenet and FTP! People would heckle you if you used anything else! What the hell would all of you public people know any different?????
Everybody will run out and buy new hardware and throw their "useless" hardware away, which then becomes my hardware for free to install more Linux on. I'm seriously getting to the point where I can just start building Linux machines and sell them for $100 apiece on the side. Go get Vista, everybody! (-:
I have the business savvy of a turnip, but I don't see much wrong with dual-licensing per se...with anything BUT a compiler. I notice that programming/development tools are either free as air, or not loved very much. There's something about development tools, you need the code free, the libraries free, all derivative works to be free...
But dual licensing...I always wanted to see an amended GPL, with the added restriction that you MAY NOT port this code to Windows...because the company that gave you this free program does that, and they're charging Windows customers for it, which is how they finance development and keep the free tool for free systems free, if you follow me. Why not? Give away the free version for the free systems; charge the pay-ware users for your software, too!
I can think of a lot of flaming we could have gotten ourselves out of, if certain programs had never been ported to Windows at all.
Of course, Linux is the best choice. You will find kids take to Linux like ducks to water - quite a bit more enthusiastically than they'd take to Windows - and for exactly the same reason kids of the 80's and 90's took to the first home computers: they are geared for learning.
Unfortunately, you'll be screamed down by just about everybody else. "What? How dare you!" will pretty much sum it up. If you decide to tough it out, you need to write the words "Think of the Children!!!" on your soapbox, climb on it, and never climb down.
PS This is one of those examples where I say "I don't care if Linux gets adopted by the world or not." My kids in *my* home love it, the neighbor's kids love it, word gets around school...in 10 more years, a generation will grow up without the Borg implants - just like the pre-Borg generation, they'll be computer literate again - and then we'll see what gets adopted by whom.
Your reply was so ludicrously stupid I need TWO replys to straighten you out. Now that we've covered the monumental revelation that ALL computers display text, I'm telling you, (and you should listen, because you don't know shit) that most Linux systems either don't scroll boot messages or have an option to toggle them on (usually called "verbose mode").
Wait, you're only scrolling this on your cell phone, right? You literally HAVE never touched a computer!
What kind of ignorant jibberish is that? Have you ever touched a PC in your entire LIFE??? There's this thing called BIOS, heard of it? That's in the motherboard hardware itself, prints text on the screen before the operating system even boots, ANY operating system, Windows, Linux, Unix, Solaris, BSD, Plan Nine from Bell Labs, or Jo Mamma.
Hey, you forgot to grandiously dismiss DOS and IT'S ugly text. Dumbass.
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You like how it works? If your program didn't take the whole world by storm, Big Business laughs at you and says you're "nothing but a basement hippy hacker". If your program *did* take the world by storm, Big Business pounces on it and says "it was our idea the whole time!"
Good Lord, an actual reference to "Animal Farm". I can't count how many contestants have been stumped by "Animal Farm" questions on jeopardy.
Rest assured, mod points are not used because we do not agree. Mod points are used to say "You have committed a troll!"
We have great ideas on how to prevent such things from happening next time. It's called storm the big white buildings in our capitol and lynch the bastards who caused it. Problem solved, and here's your tax money back.
OMFG! Is there a downside to this???
It's scary to think how easily we could do it...who needs the island? I haven't considered myself an actual citizen of the United States for years, now. I belong to this nation that exists world-wide with bits of it in every country, where I am free to use all my brains to be the best that I can be. A country's just the piece of dirt where you can rent a house to keep your stuff in while you're there...
How about:
I pledge allegience to the ideas
of the United World of Technasia
and to the freedoms for which it stands:
One people, many countries,
many colors and many walks of life,
With intellectual and financial freedom and opportunity for all.
That kind of sucked, but it still felt good...
startleylogger!
That actually means "We're going to draft every last one of them into the army and send them to die stealing oil for us, unless their parents are rich and white." If you have kids, you've seen the pedophiles^H^H^H^H^H military recruiters - hovering around the schools. My kid's are NINE and they're getting exposed to it already!
I can think of plenty of changes that happened as a result of 9/11, mainly that idiots whom we'd spent years beating into silence suddenly felt at liberty to speak up again. Many of them working for the government.
This time I was trying it on chatjunkies and was autojoined to #xchat and before I could try it, somebody else joined and beat me to it! They got booted, too. Looks like the party's winding down...
Maybe the rest of you have to be careful, but I despise chat anyway, haven't stuck my head in a room in five years and don't expect to in five more. I just tried it on Quakenet #windows and got kicked and a bot started flooding me "st0p being 1ame U r3tard!!!!111" You don't suppose they're just a teeny bit sensitive about this by now, do you?
and you thought phreaking was dead...
And LIBRARIES! And trains and planes and buses! And lobbies and waiting rooms! And museums and conservatories!
And just to get the flaming out of the way in one post: Hell, No, nobody has a "right" to use a cell phone PERIOD! It is a convenience and priviledge bestowed only recently by science. If your phone call is so important that it cannot wait, it's important enough that you need to step outside of the library when I'm reading, the theatre when I'm trying to listen to the show, the rides at the amusement park I'm trying to enjoy, the orgy where I'm trying to get my freak on*, the doctor's office when I'm trying to hear my kid's diagnosis, etc. Anybody who responds to say otherwise has some serious issues with polite society.
The public transportation is debatable. Maybe buses/trains/etc. could have a "no cell phone zone". Restaurants, too. My rule of thumb is, any place and time where it would be rude to have a loud, extended conversation with any other person in the room (such as when you'd be interrupting the person who is speaking, singing, or performing), then it's rude to use a cell phone.
PS No, I'm also not a "technophobe". I actually appreciate cell phones so much, I design wallpaper for them.
* no, I actually saw this happen at some private club, I think it was in Vegas.
ITYM "let the corporations spoon feed THEM." Look, nobody led me to Linux, I sought it out. I did it myself with nothing but the Hacker's Dictionary and Neal Stephenson's "In the Beginning was the Command Line" to guide me. I didn't have to call a 1-800 number off the TV set and have two Linux missionaries come over and witness at me. Had somebody tried to drag me kicking and screaming to Linux, I probably would have avoided it. What is so hard to understand, here? Linux is as free to download and burn for anybody else as it is for me. There is documentation available. That's all anybody needs to get Linux, and to try to do more is stoooopid, because you can't make people who refuse to change change.
the "Linux sucks!" crowd, but I'm not one of them.
This is getting quite funny. HOW do you resolve these two statements? How do you claim to have run Gentoo, Fedora, and Suse and say that they offer NOTHING over Windows? I'm not going to list it. You hate Linux, you're a Microsoft shill, and you're not only a liar, but an artless one at that.
I'm trying to provide realistic assements of why Linux is having difficulties in making inroads.
Don't strain yourself. I posted in another thread re Vista marketing: the sole reason Windows is adopted and Linux is out in the cold is marketing. Given the gobs of money for ad campaigns, lawyers to rig the playing field, and industrial-strength FUD, you could just as easily have altered history so that the whole world would have standardized on Tom's root/boot floppy. The sole difference is brain-washing. People in the street don't know squat about computers, so they do what the TV set tells them to. It is a waste of time to debate WHY Linux is better (as this conversation with you shows), simply buying air time and using it to scream "It'sGREAT!It'sGREAT!It'sGREAT!" overandover would be sufficient.
Well, I don't see anywhere productive for this discussion to go from here. Tell your billy-boss I said "Nice try".
If you haven't guessed it by now: "Mainstream" is the farthest you could get from describing me. Programming tools are not "mainstream" or more people would use them than not use them.
"Please, people, when you write in, try to have a point, OK? It just makes the show move along a whole lot faster."
These are the realities of the situation, and you and you alone come along and assert (a) that Linux is nothing but scrolling text, and (b) imply that this and this alone is worthy evidence why Linux is crap and Windows is gold-plated.
No kidding. Sir, take this with the utmost respect for you: you're either pulling my leg or full of shit. Does it sound better now that I sprinkled sugar on it? Do you feel better now that I fed your hunger for attention?
Instead, we continue to have Microsoft ripoffs pushed in our face, while you're lucky to even hear about Elive in your lifetime, let alone get your hands on Elive in a timely fashion (they don't even have a server; it's bit-torrent or nothing!). So it boils down to that there are four - no wait - five things that have any affect at all on which system is the most used: marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, and last but not least: marketing.
If I had the money and I was *that* bored (and starved for sick amusement), I could launch a massive media campaign combined with legal-industrial blitz to convince all of you that Tom's root/boot floppy was the best/most desirable system to run with the best features. And it would be bundled with every sold machine! The Internet would move back to Usenet and FTP! People would heckle you if you used anything else! What the hell would all of you public people know any different?????
Everybody will run out and buy new hardware and throw their "useless" hardware away, which then becomes my hardware for free to install more Linux on. I'm seriously getting to the point where I can just start building Linux machines and sell them for $100 apiece on the side. Go get Vista, everybody! (-:
But dual licensing...I always wanted to see an amended GPL, with the added restriction that you MAY NOT port this code to Windows...because the company that gave you this free program does that, and they're charging Windows customers for it, which is how they finance development and keep the free tool for free systems free, if you follow me. Why not? Give away the free version for the free systems; charge the pay-ware users for your software, too!
I can think of a lot of flaming we could have gotten ourselves out of, if certain programs had never been ported to Windows at all.
our new hero in a jail cell with a bunch of cell mates who have all enlarged their penis, ordered Viagra, and are looking for a new relationship.
You AGAIN???? Damn, if posting anti-everything FUD on /. is your only job, I hope it pays enough that you don't mind the grueling hours.
Unfortunately, you'll be screamed down by just about everybody else. "What? How dare you!" will pretty much sum it up. If you decide to tough it out, you need to write the words "Think of the Children!!!" on your soapbox, climb on it, and never climb down.
PS This is one of those examples where I say "I don't care if Linux gets adopted by the world or not." My kids in *my* home love it, the neighbor's kids love it, word gets around school...in 10 more years, a generation will grow up without the Borg implants - just like the pre-Borg generation, they'll be computer literate again - and then we'll see what gets adopted by whom.
next...
Wait, you're only scrolling this on your cell phone, right? You literally HAVE never touched a computer!
Hey, you forgot to grandiously dismiss DOS and IT'S ugly text. Dumbass.