You say that like having a full time job, financial success, and parental status has anything to do with whether or not one has a dependency issue. See here for what I mean. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your friends are addicts or have problems, just that the points you're making do not demonstrate that they aren't.
Obviously the plastic is still coming from somewhere, it's not like aliens dropped it there one night.
I'm not much for conspiracy/outlandish theories, but it would be interesting to see where any current or recently de-commissioned deep sea oil wells were in relation to this ares (particularly any that have had Halliburton, Transocean, or BP involved). Maybe we're looking at remnants of various Junk Shots.
Actually, TuneCore is a publisher, a "label" as it were
Not sure what you mean here. Speaking as someone who has been a part of an actual record company contract, I can say for sure that there is nothing similar to those type of "label" agreements in my arrangement with TuneCore. I disagree that they're similar to a label, rather they're more of an intermediary between myself and various distribution methods. I get to choose to whom my stuff is available, and most importantly, I keep all the rights to my stuff. Much better than a label, in my opinion.
I believe there may be a couple of methods, but I chose to go with TuneCore. I read this article with Trent Reznor, someone I have a lot of respect for, and arguably one of the musicians who really, really gets how to harness the power of the internet. I think he has some very insightful views on how new and established artists can prosper, and he has definitely paid his dues with bad recording contracts.
Last I checked only labels can sell music through iTunes.
I'm glad to say that this is not at all true. Here's my stuff* in iTunes, and I assure you, I don't work with a label (I learned that lesson the hard way.......fyi, so-called 'indie' labels suck too). If you don't like iTunes, there are other great sites like Soundclick, and many others.
Totally agree. Any of the "aiki" arts are very well suited to making physical confrontations a non-issue. As a student of Daitoryu Aikijujutsu myself, I find these arts to be much more effective at neutralizing a conflict as opposed to escalating it. I also find those who seriously pursue training in these arts tend to be less concerned with either winning tournaments or being the fastest/toughest guy in the room, as none of those is the focus of training.
Hi, this is the smarmy sarcastic post that will be kinda funny but not really and will distract the crowd
This will be the condescending post, which will immediately seize your bait, and begin you refute your link, with examples of how little you know about the subject. I will question your ability to comprehend basic ideas, and make myself feel superior by elaborately phrasing my reply so as to achieve the most eloquent, yet sardonic tone that can be expressed by an electronic medium.
Ah, you're right. I admit, I read your post quickly, and assumed (incorrectly) that you were trying to communicate that he ought to put insulation between the joists (as well as between the studs), and were using the term "horizontal studs". My mistake, sorry about that.
Seriously, this isn't music, its something which happens to have a harmonic. They diddle the frequencies to the 20-20kHz range and pretend its "sun music".
If you want to hear real "sun music, try the band SUN O)))". They're similar not just in name, but their (admittedly dark, drone, experimental) music isn't too far removed from the "music" posted in the article.
The great thing about everyone, including experts / profession musicians, is that they were _ALL_ noobs at one point too.
Start on easy -- work your way up.
I totally agree with this. Don't get in a hurry, be patient, and try to love the process of improving little-by-little. Eventually, maybe you'll get to Jordan Rudess' level. That guy scares the hell out of me.
Weight. Unless you're building from scratch, with a hefty engineering budget, putting heavy shit higher than the foundation level means lots of load-bearing components.
I agree with you. However, a lot of Data Centers will have an onsite Mechanical/Electrical Plant that is actually a separate building from the building that houses the actual Data Center/offices. It's not uncommon to see the Chillers, Cooling Towers, Generators, etc all housed in either a standalone plant, or to be incorporated as part of a parking structure (where a pipe burst would cause much less damage).
I'm too chicken to do the other major test we should run, a battery rundown test.
I can't say I blame you, dude. There seem to be 2 schools of thought on this. One group seems to believe that a full battery discharge test needs to be performed (per the IEEE standards) to demonstrate that the batteries can indeed handle what they need to in the event of a catastrophic event. The other group feels that the destructive nature of this type of test ends up doing more harm than good, particularly considering how good the instrumentation and testing procedures have gotten over the last 10 to 15 years (in terms of real-time monitoring, I personally recommend B-Tech...expensive, but worth it).
I had a client previously who insisted on battery discharge tests on a bi-annual basis with VRLA batteries. We tried to explain to them the damage they were doing, but of course, they wouldn't listen. Naturally, they were astonished when they had to start replacing cells, and eventually had to replace entire strings in under 4 years.
That's how we wore ours out. They claim we scraped all the plating away, corrosion set in.
Weren't you doing Preventive Maintenance on these ATSs? How about Infrared Scans? You would've known that there were issues if you were.
We ran our generator same day every week for a half hour under actual load. Got to keep the diesel fresh and get the engine oil hot thus water-free.
What??? Why on earth were you load testing your systems weekly? Not only is this excessive, it's pointless. Your diesel fuel isn't going to foul so quickly as to become useless, and if you're concerned, you can have it tested and polished if needed. Jacket Water Heaters can keep your block (and subsequently the engine oil) warm and ready to do, and obviously, oil testing during generator PMs would verify the absence of water.
All this said, it's worth mentioning that even with adequate PMs, ATSs do have a finite life expectancy, and each transfer takes a bit of that life away. If your contact surfaces had actually deteriorated as you're describing, then a) you should have known about it and b) you should have been in the process of either rebuilding the switch(es) or replacing it/them.
Well, aren't you just a ray of sunshine? Why the attitude, tough guy? Please excuse those of us mere mortals who have the nerve to ask you to back up your assertions with some documentation....I don't know what I was thinking!
So, I did as instructed, o mighty PopeRatzo, and I consulted Google, and yes, I did find about 1,150 results most of which were from such well known sources as:
The only "legitimate" source I found was this story from NPR which shed a little light on the issue. I will admit, this is the first time I've heard of this (incidentally, at no point did I claim to be on a first name basis with Dweezil, so I'm not trying to create the impression that I know all things Zappa happening at all times).
In actually reading the article, I understand better what's actualy going on, and suffice to say, it's more complex than you're describing. As opposed to what you're implying (i.e. that Gail and the rest of the Zappa Family Trust are indiscriminately suing various "cover bands" as you call them for playing Frank's music), the only real documented cases I found were of them suing the Zappanale festival, and the band "Project/Object". These suits involve branding, copyright issues, and licensing issues pretty clearly, and thus, I see no problem with them wanting to protect this. Your arrogant ranting makes it sound as though anyone playing a cover version anywhere is just setting themselves up for a lawsuit, which is very clearly not the case. You seem convinced that FZ was a jerk, and seem content to try to paint his surviving family as such, all of which is your choice, just try not to get your panties in a bunch when someone calls you out, hot shot.
Oh, and to the original point, which you so cleverly avoided since I was nice enough to educate you, if you're going to lecture others about replying to things that they may be under-informed about, perhaps you might take your own advice, huh?
I agree that Frank was one of the first people to really embrace the Synclavier. As a pretty big Zappa fan myself, it certainly isn't lost on me his penchant for embracing technology. For crying out loud, the entire "Perfect Stranger" and "Jazz From Hell" albums wouldn't have existed if it weren't for his efforts on digital instruments (although, as an aside, there is a really good version of G-Spot Tornado played by a live orchestra on The Yellow Shark).
In his book, he extolled the virtues of the Synclavier, and certainly recognized the technology's ability as it evolved. With that said, it seems that for recording, he preferred analog (as did a lot of artists at the time). Keep in mind, Frank died in 1994, and the first "real" version of Pro Tools didn't hit the market until 1991 (and it was a 4 track version......I ASSURE you, Frank wasn't going to be limited to 4 tracks).
I'd need to see some citation regarding Gail or Dweez sending cease and desist letters to bands covering Frank's stuff...sounds like baloney to me. However, I do agree with his (and subsequently their) right to protect what is done with his music and his name.
Its because he already was. Zappa was one of the original pro-tools users, before his death
I don't think that's correct. According to this article with Dweezil talking about updating the famed "Utility Muffin Research Kitchen",:
The studio had accumulated not just an extensive vault of tapes, but a considerable collection of analogue hardware too. "Frank had several machines — I don't know if we have some of the earlier machines he recorded on. We have the Studer 24-track and we have three of the two-track machines. They all have different head stacks, and we even have a five-track head stack that was made by Paul Buff when Frank had a studio in Cucamonga — the Studio Z in the early '60s. We're curious to see if there's a way to get a machine to work with that head stack. It was before multitrack — Paul invented this thing and made it work, but I have never seen it in use. We found it in a box!"
I'm not saying Frank never used Pro-Tools, but it sounds like analog hardware was his primary focus.
Incidentally, it's a misconception among non-musicians that Pro Tools is the best/standard. There are several Pro Audio level DAWs out there that are just as powerful. My personal favorite is Cakewalk's SONAR, but that's just me.
The linked article places an extreme amount of weight on opinion/commentary shows, and not the actual news reporting....I gave up about half way into the articl
Too bad you chose not to keep reading (if you read any of it at all). While some of what you say is true (the article does point out some rather significant political associations of various commentators/hosts), there are other facts reported that support the argument illustrating Fox News' tendency toward "the right" or Republican viewpoints. For example:
There is a formula to Fox's news agenda. "A lot of the people we have hired," Fox executive John Moody explained (Inside Media, 12/11/96) when the network was launched, "have come without the preconceptions of must-do news. There are stories we will sometimes forego in order to do stories we think are more significant. The biggest strength that we have is that Roger Ailes has allowed me to do that; to forego stores that would be 'duty' stories in order to focus on other things."
These "other" stories that Moody has in mind are what make up much of Fox's programming: An embarrassing story about Jesse Jackson's sex life. The latest political-correctness outrage on campus. A one-day mini-scandal about a Democratic senator. Much like talk radio, Fox picks up these tidbits from right-wing outlets like the Washington Times or the Drudge Report and runs with them.
Fox's founder and president, Roger Ailes, was for decades one of the savviest and most pugnacious Republican political operatives in Washington, a veteran of the Nixon and Reagan campaigns. Ailes is most famous for his role in crafting the elder Bush's media strategy in the bruising 1988 presidential race. With Ailes' help, Bush turned a double-digit deficit in the polls into a resounding win by targeting the GOP's base of white male voters in the South and West
Fox's managing editor is Brit Hume, a veteran TV journalist and contributor to the conservative American Spectator and Weekly Standard magazines.
Jed Duvall, a former veteran ABC reporter who left Fox after a year, told New York (11/17/97): "I'll never forget the morning that one producer came up to me, and, rubbing her hands like Uriah Heep, said, 'Let's have something on Whitewater today.' That sort of thing doesn't happen at a professional news organization." Indeed, Fox's signature political news show, Special Report with Brit Hume, was originally created as a daily one-hour update devoted to the 1998 Clinton sex scandal.
Dude, those aren't anchor people (well the last one is, but he's talking about a producer), these are producers and executives who very plainly are shaping the broadcasts (news and commentary). If pointing out the facts to you makes you feel as if there is some "bias" then perhaps I can understand why all other news sources feel "biased" to you.
You probably have never worked with MDs before. But let me tell you they are the worst people to deal with. Because they have a Dr. for a prefix and a MD for a suffix to their name they act like they are the smartest person in the world. So when they encounter something new to them, and out of their main scope they get very offensive, rude and makes everyones lives a little bit more stressful.
I am not disagreeing with you here, but I must interject that this syndrome is not isolated to MDs, or any doctors for that matter. Professional Engineers tend to be just as bad, and I'm sure there are other highly educated folks who, as a group, tend to exhibit this behavior more than other groups.
All that said, I think everyone could do with a little more courtesy (professional and otherwise). Seriously, it takes no effort and no significant time to say "please" and "thank you". People would be surprised what a little common courtesy will do for improving just about any situation.
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You say that like having a full time job, financial success, and parental status has anything to do with whether or not one has a dependency issue. See here for what I mean. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your friends are addicts or have problems, just that the points you're making do not demonstrate that they aren't.
Obviously the plastic is still coming from somewhere, it's not like aliens dropped it there one night.
I'm not much for conspiracy/outlandish theories, but it would be interesting to see where any current or recently de-commissioned deep sea oil wells were in relation to this ares (particularly any that have had Halliburton, Transocean, or BP involved). Maybe we're looking at remnants of various Junk Shots.
Yes, that's an oldie but goodie.
Actually, TuneCore is a publisher, a "label" as it were
Not sure what you mean here. Speaking as someone who has been a part of an actual record company contract, I can say for sure that there is nothing similar to those type of "label" agreements in my arrangement with TuneCore. I disagree that they're similar to a label, rather they're more of an intermediary between myself and various distribution methods. I get to choose to whom my stuff is available, and most importantly, I keep all the rights to my stuff. Much better than a label, in my opinion.
I believe there may be a couple of methods, but I chose to go with TuneCore. I read this article with Trent Reznor, someone I have a lot of respect for, and arguably one of the musicians who really, really gets how to harness the power of the internet. I think he has some very insightful views on how new and established artists can prosper, and he has definitely paid his dues with bad recording contracts.
Or you could go with an alternative like SoundClick
Last I checked only labels can sell music through iTunes.
I'm glad to say that this is not at all true. Here's my stuff* in iTunes, and I assure you, I don't work with a label (I learned that lesson the hard way.......fyi, so-called 'indie' labels suck too). If you don't like iTunes, there are other great sites like Soundclick, and many others.
*go ahead, buy it, you know you want to.
Totally agree. Any of the "aiki" arts are very well suited to making physical confrontations a non-issue. As a student of Daitoryu Aikijujutsu myself, I find these arts to be much more effective at neutralizing a conflict as opposed to escalating it. I also find those who seriously pursue training in these arts tend to be less concerned with either winning tournaments or being the fastest/toughest guy in the room, as none of those is the focus of training.
Hi, this is the smarmy sarcastic post that will be kinda funny but not really and will distract the crowd
This will be the condescending post, which will immediately seize your bait, and begin you refute your link, with examples of how little you know about the subject. I will question your ability to comprehend basic ideas, and make myself feel superior by elaborately phrasing my reply so as to achieve the most eloquent, yet sardonic tone that can be expressed by an electronic medium.
Mark Knopfler, obviously.
I don't know, I heard that the DoHC has him on a watch list. Rumor has it something about Arab ties.
Ah, you're right. I admit, I read your post quickly, and assumed (incorrectly) that you were trying to communicate that he ought to put insulation between the joists (as well as between the studs), and were using the term "horizontal studs". My mistake, sorry about that.
Oops, here's the link: Sun O)))
Seriously, this isn't music, its something which happens to have a harmonic. They diddle the frequencies to the 20-20kHz range and pretend its "sun music".
If you want to hear real "sun music, try the band SUN O)))". They're similar not just in name, but their (admittedly dark, drone, experimental) music isn't too far removed from the "music" posted in the article.
Coincidence?
Do you perhaps mean a row of horizontal studs?
Do you perhaps mean joists?
Something like CTRL+Shift+C, type "rosebud" and you're the CEO.
The great thing about everyone, including experts / profession musicians, is that they were _ALL_ noobs at one point too. Start on easy -- work your way up.
I totally agree with this. Don't get in a hurry, be patient, and try to love the process of improving little-by-little. Eventually, maybe you'll get to Jordan Rudess' level. That guy scares the hell out of me.
Weight. Unless you're building from scratch, with a hefty engineering budget, putting heavy shit higher than the foundation level means lots of load-bearing components.
I agree with you. However, a lot of Data Centers will have an onsite Mechanical/Electrical Plant that is actually a separate building from the building that houses the actual Data Center/offices. It's not uncommon to see the Chillers, Cooling Towers, Generators, etc all housed in either a standalone plant, or to be incorporated as part of a parking structure (where a pipe burst would cause much less damage).
Simpler wiring plans because you don't have to run big industrial power cables up to the top floor
Actually, most high rise buildings use Bus Duct to bring power up through the building, so the feeders are already available.
I'm too chicken to do the other major test we should run, a battery rundown test.
I can't say I blame you, dude. There seem to be 2 schools of thought on this. One group seems to believe that a full battery discharge test needs to be performed (per the IEEE standards) to demonstrate that the batteries can indeed handle what they need to in the event of a catastrophic event. The other group feels that the destructive nature of this type of test ends up doing more harm than good, particularly considering how good the instrumentation and testing procedures have gotten over the last 10 to 15 years (in terms of real-time monitoring, I personally recommend B-Tech...expensive, but worth it).
I had a client previously who insisted on battery discharge tests on a bi-annual basis with VRLA batteries. We tried to explain to them the damage they were doing, but of course, they wouldn't listen. Naturally, they were astonished when they had to start replacing cells, and eventually had to replace entire strings in under 4 years.
That's how we wore ours out. They claim we scraped all the plating away, corrosion set in.
Weren't you doing Preventive Maintenance on these ATSs? How about Infrared Scans? You would've known that there were issues if you were.
We ran our generator same day every week for a half hour under actual load. Got to keep the diesel fresh and get the engine oil hot thus water-free.
What??? Why on earth were you load testing your systems weekly? Not only is this excessive, it's pointless. Your diesel fuel isn't going to foul so quickly as to become useless, and if you're concerned, you can have it tested and polished if needed. Jacket Water Heaters can keep your block (and subsequently the engine oil) warm and ready to do, and obviously, oil testing during generator PMs would verify the absence of water.
All this said, it's worth mentioning that even with adequate PMs, ATSs do have a finite life expectancy, and each transfer takes a bit of that life away. If your contact surfaces had actually deteriorated as you're describing, then a) you should have known about it and b) you should have been in the process of either rebuilding the switch(es) or replacing it/them.
So, I did as instructed, o mighty PopeRatzo, and I consulted Google, and yes, I did find about 1,150 results most of which were from such well known sources as:
The only "legitimate" source I found was this story from NPR which shed a little light on the issue. I will admit, this is the first time I've heard of this (incidentally, at no point did I claim to be on a first name basis with Dweezil, so I'm not trying to create the impression that I know all things Zappa happening at all times).
In actually reading the article, I understand better what's actualy going on, and suffice to say, it's more complex than you're describing. As opposed to what you're implying (i.e. that Gail and the rest of the Zappa Family Trust are indiscriminately suing various "cover bands" as you call them for playing Frank's music), the only real documented cases I found were of them suing the Zappanale festival, and the band "Project/Object". These suits involve branding, copyright issues, and licensing issues pretty clearly, and thus, I see no problem with them wanting to protect this. Your arrogant ranting makes it sound as though anyone playing a cover version anywhere is just setting themselves up for a lawsuit, which is very clearly not the case. You seem convinced that FZ was a jerk, and seem content to try to paint his surviving family as such, all of which is your choice, just try not to get your panties in a bunch when someone calls you out, hot shot.
Oh, and to the original point, which you so cleverly avoided since I was nice enough to educate you, if you're going to lecture others about replying to things that they may be under-informed about, perhaps you might take your own advice, huh?
I agree that Frank was one of the first people to really embrace the Synclavier. As a pretty big Zappa fan myself, it certainly isn't lost on me his penchant for embracing technology. For crying out loud, the entire "Perfect Stranger" and "Jazz From Hell" albums wouldn't have existed if it weren't for his efforts on digital instruments (although, as an aside, there is a really good version of G-Spot Tornado played by a live orchestra on The Yellow Shark).
In his book, he extolled the virtues of the Synclavier, and certainly recognized the technology's ability as it evolved. With that said, it seems that for recording, he preferred analog (as did a lot of artists at the time). Keep in mind, Frank died in 1994, and the first "real" version of Pro Tools didn't hit the market until 1991 (and it was a 4 track version......I ASSURE you, Frank wasn't going to be limited to 4 tracks).
I'd need to see some citation regarding Gail or Dweez sending cease and desist letters to bands covering Frank's stuff...sounds like baloney to me. However, I do agree with his (and subsequently their) right to protect what is done with his music and his name.
Its because he already was. Zappa was one of the original pro-tools users, before his death
I don't think that's correct. According to this article with Dweezil talking about updating the famed "Utility Muffin Research Kitchen",:
The studio had accumulated not just an extensive vault of tapes, but a considerable collection of analogue hardware too. "Frank had several machines — I don't know if we have some of the earlier machines he recorded on. We have the Studer 24-track and we have three of the two-track machines. They all have different head stacks, and we even have a five-track head stack that was made by Paul Buff when Frank had a studio in Cucamonga — the Studio Z in the early '60s. We're curious to see if there's a way to get a machine to work with that head stack. It was before multitrack — Paul invented this thing and made it work, but I have never seen it in use. We found it in a box!"
I'm not saying Frank never used Pro-Tools, but it sounds like analog hardware was his primary focus.
Incidentally, it's a misconception among non-musicians that Pro Tools is the best/standard. There are several Pro Audio level DAWs out there that are just as powerful. My personal favorite is Cakewalk's SONAR, but that's just me.
The linked article places an extreme amount of weight on opinion/commentary shows, and not the actual news reporting....I gave up about half way into the articl
Too bad you chose not to keep reading (if you read any of it at all). While some of what you say is true (the article does point out some rather significant political associations of various commentators/hosts), there are other facts reported that support the argument illustrating Fox News' tendency toward "the right" or Republican viewpoints. For example:
Dude, those aren't anchor people (well the last one is, but he's talking about a producer), these are producers and executives who very plainly are shaping the broadcasts (news and commentary). If pointing out the facts to you makes you feel as if there is some "bias" then perhaps I can understand why all other news sources feel "biased" to you.
You probably have never worked with MDs before. But let me tell you they are the worst people to deal with. Because they have a Dr. for a prefix and a MD for a suffix to their name they act like they are the smartest person in the world. So when they encounter something new to them, and out of their main scope they get very offensive, rude and makes everyones lives a little bit more stressful.
I am not disagreeing with you here, but I must interject that this syndrome is not isolated to MDs, or any doctors for that matter. Professional Engineers tend to be just as bad, and I'm sure there are other highly educated folks who, as a group, tend to exhibit this behavior more than other groups.
All that said, I think everyone could do with a little more courtesy (professional and otherwise). Seriously, it takes no effort and no significant time to say "please" and "thank you". People would be surprised what a little common courtesy will do for improving just about any situation.