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Sound As the New Illegal Narcotic?
ehrichweiss writes "The Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics is warning parents and teachers of a new threat to our children: sounds. Apparently kids are now discovering binaural beats and using them to get 'physiological effects.' The report goes on with everyone suggesting that such aural experiences will act as a gateway to drug usage and even has one student claiming there are 'demons' involved. Anyone who has used one of those light/sound machines knows all about the effects that these sounds will give and to state that they will lead kids to do drugs is nonsense at best. It seems the trend in scaring the citizens with a made-up problem has gone to the next level."
... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot to the max ...
Up until high school, I spent my entire life locked into an ideal Norman Rockwell painting. No cares, no worries and just high on life. Things took a turn for the worse one day when I picked up an 288 tuning fork and a 320 tuning fork. I struck them both against my leg and held one up near either ear.
... COMPLETE EAR DESTRUCTION!
It was pure bliss. Like Jesus was just 32 hertz away from me. I wish I could describe the feeling. Like half of all the blades of grass in the universe were hummingbirds and the other half were bumble bees.
Let's see--I was a freshman at that time. Yeah, things just went downhill from there. I had earrings made with a tuning fork hanging from each one. The left side was A440 and the right side was a custom 444. I could raise my fingers to either lobe and flick it for instant gratification. The other kids called it ear basing. I called it god. And he was just nineteen dollars and eighty cents on Amazon. By my sophomore year I was already pretty hard into Fourier transforms. Everyone's tympanic membrane had a bifurcation sweet spot that could be exploited with the right theoretical frequencies. Yeah, we would rent middle of nowhere motel rooms to smelt hematite down into custom tuning forks and poor them into clay molds in the bathtub. We paid in cash and by the time the cleaning made hit the room it was slag burns in the carpet and clay all over the place. You probably remember the 20/20 investigations following all the reports.
Shit got real heavy real quick and one day we found Scrye (nickname for the metallurgist) hemorrhaging blood out of his ears in a coma from strapping two subwoofers to either side of his head with duct tape. I knew I had to get out, but how?
We gathered up all our text books on math, audio & music theory, physics, chemistry, electronics and metalworking and burned them in the parking lot of the hospital we brought Scrye to. I would never read about science again.
Parents, heed the images of those children getting 'innocent' highs from sounds and make sure they don't make the same mistake I did. This is just a gateway to bigger and badder things. If you find literature on Fourier Analysis, Electronics or Calculus in your child's bedroom, please get your child to Oklahoma and get them help from the nearest minister. I don't care if you have to lock them up in the basement against their will. Just make sure you save them from the same fate as I
My work here is dung.
Sorry I couldn't hear you... I was listening to drugs.
So now they're going to be carrying around level_upper.mp3 on their iZunes?
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I sing because I live with Satan.
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First the brown noise, then the jenkem... poor kids!
This reminds me of that story from a couple years ago where news media reported that kids were getting high on human feces. Jenkem
Kids these days getting high on new beats! The sky is falling!
Back in my day it was only Techno and we walked to school, uphill both ways. Now get off my lawn.
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"It seems the trend in scaring the citizens with a made-up problem has gone to the next level."
Yeah no kidding, and you know why? People on Madison Ave. make huge money figuring out ways to sell more useless products to the populace. It has been proven that fear and uncertainty can significantly drive sales. Don't believe me? Google "fear drives sales"
Did you ever wake up in the morning, with a Zombie Woof behind your eyes? -- FZ
Does that mean /usr/bin/sox and xmms would be the new drug paraphernalia?
This kind of insanity is just plain stupid. Binaural beats have a documented psycho-dynamic effect ... programs like Hemi-Sync are intriguing. I don't think people are going to get "high" off of them though. But what if they do? If binaural beats are made illegal and deemed "narcotic", then the "drug war" is more about denying people access to their own minds.
As this beating phenomenon is used by musicians the world over to tune their instruments, I now predict a great increase in high school band participation.
I can't stop laughing. This is hysterically stupid and, well, I had to check the calendar to make sure I wasn't three months ahead...
Nope! Not April 1st... Okay, that makes them taking this seriously a little more scary...
huh??!
I bet they're sitting around drinking beverages heavily laced with dihydrogen monoxide, too.
Some people have it coming - I'm just the delivery system.
... there were people saying Dungeons & Dragons would lead to devil worship. That used natas to crack me up!!!!
Anyone else ever mess with the "Brainwave Syncronizer" In Cool Edit?
I suffer from occasional severe insomnia, and burning a full CD that gradually slowed the binaural beats down into the deep sleep stage was the ONLY non-narcotic solution to ever work.
Sad to realize all these years later, the only reason it worked is because it was my gateway to ambien...~
I'll be honest. I'm going to go an listen to some.. But how is this news?
its neer been proven audio/radio waves have any effect on anything.. Let alone the human mind
we can't even have a consensus on cell phone = cancer and I'm suppost to take this seriously?
I think the kids are mind-f--king their parents and seeing how !@#$% stupid they are.
This is why the states and all over the world can't find a \\sensible\\ drug policy. Too many
wackos stirring up stupid bull-sh-t. Instead of pointing and laughing at their stupidity
somehow these "people" are taken seriously
"Binaural Beats" actually do produce pysiological effects by stimulating certain parts of the brain, but they're pretty weak in my experience, slight lethargy or increased heart rate at best. I know some people who are highly susceptible to them and get strong effects but even they find them to be too much trouble for the effect and only used them a few times as a novelty.
that said, the idea that they could work as a gateway to drugs isn't TECHNICALLY without merit. Trying these could lead to wanting to see what the real drug they're supposed to be emulating is like. But you're just as, if not more, likely to want to try drugs after watching Dazed and Confused than listening to binaural
Thanks for saving me time.
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I don't even know where to start. The whole news item is full of holes. Basically a load of bollocks. The whole concept is ridiculous, it's like that H20 hydrogen dioxide website. The language is so slanted ' luring kids' etc. oh dear. I seriously beleive If I lived in the states I could not watch american TV. It's just so absurd, and sensationalist, along with outright propaganda and annoying pronunciation of words. GRRRRRR Agh it makes me angry. How can people be so fucking thick.
...they want their banana peels back.
rj
The real problem is those damn placebos. Let children get started on them, and before you know it, they'll be stealing televisions to pay for their next fix of sugar pills.
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Well surely if music can make you high then the myth of the brown note cant really be a myth. Seriously if they believe that someone should just come up with one that plays backwards and tell the concerned parents that it will sober their kids up.
Cant wait to see mythbusters get ahold of this one.
My friend and I used to sit on opposite sides of another friend and sing a falsetto "oooooo" at slightly different frequencies. Her annoyance was entertaining at the time, but now I can't help but worry what kind of life we got her into. She's probably dead in a gutter somewhere, in a pair of studio headphones.
This one time, at band camp, I took a flute and Suzy took a flute, and we blew two notes where the difference was 15Hz and we got high.
--Chag
If binaural beats are made illegal and deemed "narcotic", then the "drug war" is more about denying people access to their own minds.
This is what the drug war has *always* been about. The rest of you are just now starting to figure it out.
"It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times." - Bill Hicks
There is a war going on for your mind.
"Hello?" ... I wanna give you some good frequencies .. 1710, 2.6, 2245...' .. "
"Yeah it's me
"Yeah?"
"... 3032, 400
"Four hundred?"
"Yeah."
"I'm coming right over!"
"Do that."
46 & 2
I'm certain that the ppl at slashdot understand that is complete bullshit and have just posted it to see what kinda responses they would get.
I think it's funny that at 0:46 in the video they get the message "Please upgrade to a modern browser".
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Wired has been known to run "news" that was actually marketing for a movie
I made this video a while back - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weOpxELqn-c - I've done a lot of research on binaural beats. They are used to calm the mind and promote a lower brain operating frequency that is akin to relaxation or meditation. Some people say it's a placebo effect, others use it to promote a state of calm in their minds as they try to rid themselves of the daily thought process (many, many thoughts coming in and out of your head very quickly, which is associated with high brain frequencies). Trying to demonize BBs would be like trying to demonize meditation...which I'm sure isn't too far off.
I guess the fear surrounding what people don't understand will never go away. I suggest a split in civilization - let the smarties burrow deep into the soil and the dummies can fry up at the surface.
Sorry for the strange comment, I'm high on binaural beats. :p
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
cos(a) * cos(b) = ( cos(a - b) + cos(a + b) ) / 2
Sounds like a ploy to get rid of Cell phones, mp3 players, etc. from campus to me. There is a motivation here other than what is being delivered as with most things today. Redirection and NAT are being employed to shuttle popular opinion to a place where it does not need to be. Just my 2c...
Yes, but what happens if you listen to it backwards?
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The RIAA is the source of all evil because they keep promoting *gasp* MUSIC!!!
No wonder people still believe the brown note myth. If there are enough suckers to believe this someone should really market these "beats" played backwards as a way to sober up their musically high children...
I knew you could get high on music! It's those damn Beatles and Rolling Stones again isn't it! In my day we were happy with the waltz and ragtime, now kids are listening to John Lennon and Mick Jagger.
....hey are you listening to me?! ..... fine, then get off my lawn!
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
... although Swaggart can go fsck himself.
"What is the truth about rock music? Music is a powerful and perhaps the most powerful medium in the world. Music. Plato says when the music of a society changes, the whole society will change. Aristotle, a contemporary of Plato's, says when music changes there should be laws to govern the nature and the character of that music. Lenin says that the best and the quickest way to undermine any society is through its music...Music, ladies and gentleman, is the gift of God it was given to man to offer praises to God and to lift us up to him and to exalt Him to touch the tender recesses of our hearts and of our minds. Satan has taken music and he has counterfeited it, convoluted it, twisted it, exploited it and now he's using it to hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer a message into the minds and the lifestyles of this generation."
Jimmy Swaggart
Those dudes that attacked Dan Rather must've just thought he was a dealer!
But now we KNOW the frequency, Kenneth!
... of one of the first Pokemón episodes, aired in Japan, 1997, which sent over six hundred viewers to the hospital because of the lights and color combinations -- Pokemón Shock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denn%C5%8D_Senshi_Porygon
Fast forward to 2:05...
Yea dude! 4:20 is the new time for... umm.. youtube! Bwahaha... i'm so high ... ??? I think anyways? I'm listening to some really annoyingly pitched opera singer... Does that count!? DAMN THESE AUDIO WAVES ARE MESSING WITH MY HEAD!!1!
I once bought some level_upper off a buddy, and I thought it was the real deal, but as soon as I took the first hit I knew it was laced with Lady Gaga. Now I'm hooked on pop music :( Just be careful where you buy your sound from guys.
"This is Edison Carter, live and direct at a secret Big Fun Network testing facility where the city's children have been used as guinea pigs for the next generation of . . ."
There has been some discussion regarding the music and chants in church having a psychological effect upon the parishioners. If you ever spent any time listening to Gregorian chants you can feel that there is "something" going on. Irrespective of your particular faith or lack of one.
Tisha Hayes
but if you say something like caffeine should be legally equal to something like methamphetamine, such a world has downsides even worse than the war on drugs
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I am a user of binaural beats (not of the illicit/druggie type) but for more sober stuff. I use this for meditation "Hemi-Sync.Gateway Experience" and to enhance focus and concentration "Hemi Sync Metamusic". If you can get hold of Hemi-Sync Metamusic "Einstein's Dream", you will know what I am talking about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monroe_Institute
http://www.hemi-sync.com/
Many high school kids are looking for thrills. THey concoct all kinds of things to get high. Some are not dangerous like smoking banana peels. Others can be tragic like downing multiple bottle of cough medicine.
Never, in the field of human conflict has so much bollocks been spoken to so many by so few.
Way back in the day, I had a clock that told time this way.
Two low frequencies, which at midnight were very close together, so they would beat once per second, at noon were further apart, beating several times per second.
Likewise for two high frequencies that did the same thing but was on an hourly cycle.
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OK, so this is useless panic making. Seems like the media has no war or tragedy to work on.
But the question is: can you really get anything out of these sounds? High? Relaxation? Weight loss, meditation?
Thinking of how a DJ (psy trance, goa) or a band (any kind, style) can move a crowd through moods, well, music and sounds can change your moods. But do binaural sounds do anything?
Well, to my wife's dislike, I loaded some up, and I found them relaxing, some of them actually scary (they relax you, then shock you with some sudden harsh effect)...
If this is going to be forbidden, then well, let's also go after Hendrix, psy and goa trance, all psychedelic rock music as well, because these can change your mood and cause a natural high in seconds when listened to "correctly" .
just my 2c ...
at 2:07 in the vid it shows a kids mp3 player with time 4:20pm ... OOO MMM GGG !!!11!!!!
=)
What! Do I look like a people person?
that all that time in band class when I thought we were tuning our instraments, we were actually getting high.
We were so naive apparently, as well. We were always trying to stop the beating in these drawn out tuning sessions.
Sounds like we're on our way to semuta addicts...
I used to TA for a physics course and one of the labs was about sound waves. We used empty plastic tubes and generated sound of a given frequency into them, then the students would change the length of the resonant cavity and find where the standing waves formed, and calculate the speed of sound from this. Then, the final part of the lab was to take the speakers and generate slightly different frequency tones and listen for the beat frequency. I guess this lab is now illegal in Oklahoma!
Fear based sales. Huh. And here I was thinking the drug war was just a work program for cops and socialism for potential addicts. I mean, seriously, what do you call it when society spends a bunch of money on a small minority to protect them from themselves? Socialism, right? The drug war is the worst kind of socialism.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
"American public reaches new levels of stupidity, News at 11"
Seriously though, this is disturbing. Not only are there people in this country stupid enough to believe this crap, but there's a news station stupid/desperate/low enough to pick it up as a story. A sure sign of humanities (or at least the USA's) downfall.
I heard a report about this on NPR last night. The researcher talking about it said the whole thing was basically BS in terms of altering one's state of mind. They did a small study (ok, really small, only 4 people), and found no shift in brain waves at all when listening to binaural beats.
I haven't even tried cheesing, and now everybody has moved on to something else?
Also, it reminds me of David Brin's "Earth", where in the near future drug laws have been near-universally made obsolete by the ability of anyone to get high using biofeedback techniques.
Why do I expect to see a press release from the RIAA soon saying "We told all of you that this Internet/digital music thing was bad. See? Not only is it turning our kids into dirty, stinking pirates, but it's turning them into dirty, stinking, drug-addicted pirates! The only solution is to require anyone who wants to produce any sound at all to pay us a lot of money. We'll filter out all the bad sounds (binaural beats, pirated songs and anti-RIAA speeches) and keep in the good stuff (Boy Bands, Brittney Spears and pro-RIAA speeches)."
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Man I just blew like 3 lines of mp3.... feeling like... wow...HAHAHA ROTFL!!!! WOOOO /sarcasm.
Steve Reich and Philipp Glass as drugs? Well, I must be honest to the ./ crowd. Their music is highly addictive and produce strange "things" in my "brain" that definitely puts you in a different state of mind.
Oh wait! This ticklish effect in my brain is called "music"? Oh wooowwww
With a bit of training, you can do it without the headphones or music or drugs It's done in monasteries all the time. Some religious groups do it with repeated chanting. na-mu-my-h-ren-ge-ky y'all.
(Bible belt state) + (Activity parents will do not explicity approve) + (Child with psychological issues [see above]) = DEMONS!
I've heard a lot of talk of binaural beats since getting into lucid dreaming, both of which I found out about on the Dreamviews website. What I learned from there was similar to what this article states, except it comes from people who get themselves educated on the subject and discuss it, or they're just asking about binaural beats. Either way, this article sounds rather absurd to me. Music has been a gateway to drugs for decades, it's just a matter of how you look at it. Saying that listening to it makes you want to get high introduces nothing new, and is, like mentioned before, just some scare tactic to achieve some goal. Shame on them.
Some people have way, Way, WAY too much time on their hands.
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intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
FRACTALS, are your children being exposed to visual ACID?
There is one slight error in your very good writeup on how binaural beats works. What you described, playing two notes on two different sound producers (in this case tuning forks), causes an actual, physical, "beat". The sound waves interfere or combine with one another in physical space, and a new sound wave (or a composite of the two, same difference) is created and propogated through air, the medium of sound.
The binaural beats mentioned here work a little differently, in that a recording is played, and it must be listened through headphones. One ear hears a certain pitch or frequency, the other ear hears a different pitch or frequency. The difference here is that neither ear "hears" a beat, the beat is created entirely in the brain of the listener. I am not a neurobiologist so I cannot explain the exact mechanism, but it appears it has something to do with how the brain processes sound and attempts to internally combine the two different sounds into a single perception/experience for the consciousness.
I checked out some binaural beat programs once. Basicly just sine wave (or fancier) generators that let you pick the frequency for the left output and right output. If I listed on one ear only using headphones, I hear a single frequency. If I listen to both ears, I hear the two frequencies, AND I perceive a beat in addition to that, that only exists in my brain. Its at the very least neat. At the very most I didn't notice any particular effects on myself, and didn't get addicted or anything to it.
The claim or assumption of the binaural beats people is that the low frequency beats can be used to simulate in the brain the delta waves or alpha waves or whatever waves are associated with deep sleep, or relaxation, or whatever. Again I am not a neurobiologist, so I can't say if this does anything.
Playing two tuning forks together or tuning a guitar is pretty neat to me too.
Not "anything" that alters consciousness: For instance, it's still perfectly legal to drink as much coffee as you need to somehow drag yourself to work. It's also legal for stores to play elevator music that dulls your senses so you'll buy more stuff. And of course, commercial television is still legal.
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One ear hears a certain pitch or frequency, the other ear hears a different pitch or frequency. The difference here is that neither ear "hears" a beat, the beat is created entirely in the brain of the listener.
Congratulations, that's exactly what happens in the GP's example. You control the speed of the perceived 'beats' with the difference in hertz between the two forks.
I am a little confused by the article.....
"Narcotics", such as morphine or other opium derivatives, are generally considered sedatives (not stimulants). Meaning, you dont get a "high" off of heroin/morphine. Meaning, narcotics (sedatives) and methylamphetamines (stimulants) are two different categories of drugs.
is this from the onion?
you will notice of course, that portugal's efforts are aimed at reducing drug use
in other words, their tactics are different, but the goal is the same: reduce drug use
so there will always be a war on drugs, forever. in fact, there always was a war on drugs. tactics change, but reducing drug use in society is merely a constant maintenance function of civilization, like taking out the trash every thursday, that will never end. you don't declare a "war on garbage" and clean your apartment up once, and never again have to worry about garbage. no, that's not the nature of the problem. same with drugs: its not some sort of "war" you win once and never have to fight again. no, its a constant low grade clean up effort
so yes: the notion of a "war" on drugs is stupid, but whatever you call it ("the cleanup on drugs", "the trash collection on drugs"?) you must realize something absolutely true: the reduction of drug use is an effort that will never end, whatever the tactics, forever
and if you don't know why drug use has to be constantly cleaned up, you don't know much about your world and human nature
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
So then, the ultimate gateway drug, must be Sugar? Think of the Children! Say NO to sugar!
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Ok so whats next Goatrance and the rest of the trance scene?
oh wait... howabout the 65-75 and the psychedelics movements music?
Fsck off ignorant quasi logical generalists that think binaural brain wave music will make people drug addicts. WTF are we back to the 50ies and mind control beams or something?
A big spanking is in order.
I've been studying Shamanistic meditation, Kundalini and sexual Tantra, looking for something to quiet my mind and help me deal with my ADD more effectively. I got off the drugs about ten years ago and slowly my mind's becoming more organized; I'm not learning to cope with the voices and hyper-awareness, I'm actually getting better. The hyper-awareness is different, still present but completely reformed, and a powerful tool. I'm at a point where I'd like to polish up what's left, put some structure on myself enough to better organize myself; it used to be impossible to learn to play instruments, now it's difficult and I can't retain progress but it does come. A little work, and maybe I can actually accomplish something in my life.
The options for assistance to relax and open the mind include mexican magic mushrooms, LSD, marijuana, and even alcohol; but although I drink, it's not really to get drunk (and drunkenness is painful and destabilizing for me, it's effectively like having the flu). I'd rather not play with any of that other junk; so I need either much patience and concentration, or a substitute.
What I found in my studies was that the old places were made to do things with sound... beating drums, chants, hums, anything... they were tuned to amplify the certain sounds that put your mind into a particular state. I did some deeper digging, sideways research, and found the details of binaural beats; a quick experiment with this gave me some interesting answers. I expected nothing, or at most a gentle feeling of calm; when I kicked it on and had it pull the beating from 20Hz down to 7Hz in 3 seconds, I nearly blacked out. I yanked the headphones off but felt pretty fucking groggy for a few seconds, before I managed to shake it off.
This is it, this is what I need. Something subtle... music, designed with soft instruments, different wave patterns such that the beat is lost between them, like a flute and a gentle saxophone or a piano... but enough that the effect occurs, gently. Something to ease my mind in an unnatural way, without a drug. My refusal to use substance-based aids for this has lead me to this strikingly effective, pleasant, and constructive solution: rather than encourage drug use, we can encourage a new art form, an exploration into a new method of music creation, new tools transcending just instruments and effects and paradigms.
The most striking thing of all is that these considerations mimic Timothy Leary's thoughts on LSD: this has the potential to expand minds, to drive us as a people towards a period of inner reflection and a search for something beyond the mundane life trying to scratch out a few dollars while being watched over by people in power. Leary thought the drug would do that, would expand peoples' minds, make them start a search for something more, a search for something beyond the bland existence we follow.
I don't support the use of dangerous substances-- LSD may not be so toxic, but it can remain in the system and randomly re-assert itself at any time, even at very bad times; mushrooms are toxic and can cause severe damage. I also believe that people are idiots, and the use of such substances recreationally is pure idiocy; encouraging any general use will swiftly lead to 99.999% of use being an expression of this idiocy, and destruction of society (remember, long ago, mushrooms were considered sacred and not seen as a recreational toy by the masses; this world no longer allows that manner of thinking).
I do, however, strongly encourage introspection to discover one's motives in life, as well as a general examination of the world to attempt to understand and even improve upon the machine we live in. The use of such auditory methods is not inherently addictive; there is no tainted chemistry taking place, and it substitutes as sleep (meaning you sleep less, 6 hours instead of 8 hours). It is not toxic, because it's not a chemical. It's not dangerous, because it's not a physical, life-depriving act such as auto-asphyxiation. This could be a powerful and benign tool for those who wish to walk a path without walking too close to a certain less desirable parallel path.
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When did scientist start extracting sound waves from the Opium Poppy? Narcotics are, by definition, only chemicals that are derived from the Opium Poppy(Codine, Morphine, Hydrocodone, Oxycondone, Hydromorphone, Oxymorphone, Fentanyl, Heroin etc.). When people use the wrong term to describe something, it gets really irritating and show inane tendencies.
why the hell do you think "natural" has or should have anything to do with legality?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Brittany Spears and Miley Cyrus are gateway drugs to harsher forms of teen bubble gum music. If you find your daughter listening to old Shaun Cassidy and Tiffany be very afraid.
It is more serious than just getting high. Here is more information on the topic. http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=4654
Freaks me out. Hell even Wikipedia nowadays is a dope pusher.
Anyway, I'd appreciate well written and factual prose reporting the effects of this illicit drug abuse. I'm too scared to damage my own brain and having heard a sample I resolved I can't stand the sound and it's also horribly boring.
Come lads, be sports, fsck up your brains for my interest and amusement. Please?
I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
I had a 6 hour long train ride to do, and I put on a 1h long clip of binaural sounds in my headphones. I must say,... ...it didn't do shit. I mean, there were absolutely no effect on me whatsoever. The effect is probably VERY individual, and is mostly placebo, I guess.
The only weird audio experience I have had was when I listened to the same (oldschool rave) song for an entire day on repeat.
When I turned off the music, I could still hear the sound, as if it was still playing.
Brian Dunning of the podcast Skeptoid debunked this ages ago: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4147
Whenever I hear stories like this I can't help but wonder if these are the same parents that listened to the satanic lyrics of the Beatles played backwards when they were teens.
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... tuning a guitar is pretty neat to me too.
Now if we could only get more guitarists to do it...
That is all.
Maybe even to the dark side of the moon.
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Oh, good.
I was afraid the current generation was going to miss out on all the fun of a big nonsensical moral panic.
I mean, we had D&D and our parents had Rock and Roll, but it looked like today's youngsters were going to miss the whole experience.
If the masses can keep you down, you're not the Ubermensch.
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Found this online:
A story from the LA Times today says that "waking up in the morning" leads to murder and suicide. Additionally, data from seven different researchers has proven that birth leads to "waking up."
No correlation has been found so far, but researchers are hard at work coming up with the explanation.
In other news, a federal grant has been requested by the Research Institute of Giving-Idiots-Something-Else-To-Use-Against-Society-To-Feel-Better-About-Things-They-Don't-Understand.
I blame the Big Bopper. Too much toe tapping going on.
Are you fucking kidding me? If this is all parents have to worry about their high school kids getting into, they should consider themselves lucky.
increases use of a substance. duh
have you happened to notice the number of starbucks around town?
is it because people just love hot bitter drinks first thing in the morning? is it because we prohibited coffee?
what prohibition does is increase mafia involvement. and for things like alcohol, marijuana, caffiene, nicotine, etc., the negative side effects of prohibition outweigh the negative effects of the drug. but for things like cocaine, heroin, meth: the addictive effects of the drugs themselves are worse than any prohibition effects
please, stop with the idiotic rationalizations
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...might explain where the panic is coming from. Here at work, we started looking at the videos of people who "Just took Hand of God" or "Were dosing Gates of Hades". O.o; WTF is all that? The question is: is it mass placebo? We're thinking you watch people doing this, then you psych yourself into doing it. Or...what? So, we all decided to try it out. Even our manager tried it out. We all decided the reactions are from the sudden euphoria of the most annoying sound on earth ceasing after 10 minutes. You could achieve the same effect with an MP3 of 40 minutes of nails on a chalk board. Personally, the whole department calls Emperor's New Clothes on all the YouTube videos of "high" I-Dosers.
I wonder how many people listened to On The Run from Pink Floyd through a pair of cheap stereo headphones. (It's the second track on DSOTM.) If some kid thought demons were involved (perhaps they're named Mackie, Sennheiser, RCA, and Peavey?), he's in for a trip that's guaranteed to blow his head apart.
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Well, good luck outlawing this. You will DEFINITELY alter your consciousness, and experience major waves of euphoria if you do it right.
the "drug war" is more about denying people access to their own minds.
Welcome to reality. The Feds crack down harder on LSD than absolutely anything else. A single hit of LSD carries a manslaughter charge if the DA wants to get overzealous about it. Anything that can disrupt the carefully calibrated fear loop that has been instilled in us is absolutely verboten.
in a world where drug addicts only hurt themselves. if only
there's a saying: when you have a hammer in your hand, every problem begins to look like a nail
with easy access to drug euphorias, people being to "solve" (aka, avoid) the problems in their lives with drugs, rather than make difficult and painful life changes for their own good. so with free and easy access to highly addictive drugs, all you get is a horde of zombies who can't hold down a relationship or a job (and you have to feed and clothe them)
of course marijuana should be legal. that marijuana is illegal is fucking retarded. but cocaine, heroin, meth: no, way too inebriating and addictive. if you really understand these drugs (not: "i know some guy who knew somebody who said it wasn't a problem" anecdotal bullshit) you understand why they should never be legal
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We must not allow any consciousness alteration that does not involve singing about Jesus all day! To save all souls, we will lock all children in a telephone booth size room until their indoctrination is complete at age 55. It's for their own good! Really!
Excuse me, I have to mop up some sarcasm while contemplating how unprofitable the news business must be if they're stooping to drug scares *again* to drive revenue and distract from real economic and ecological problems.
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"How will police know if a teen is with headphones on is i-dosing or just listening to Justin Bieber?"
Wouldn't it be safer to listen to this new "drug"?
Meh.. I tried messing around with binaural beats for a while. Didn't really do anything. You'd probably do better spinning yourself around in a circle or sniffing old gym socks.
I am however totally fascinated by people getting into a moral panic over the placebo effect.
Yeah, hey man, I hate to call you out, but those weren't binaural beats. That was just regular bad music.
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So I am listening to this digital drug, shit sounds like trance or dubstep, hell I smoked a bowl before listening, no change, I feel the same, what the fuck is wrong with these backwards okies? Fucking beyond laughable!
Next it will be kids getting high on protocols, ports, and if the kids are fucking truly hardcore they get into sockets! The only way to save the kids is stop the internet! Shut it down! I started off with harmless protocols http was my gateway protocol, about 6 months of use I started mixing my http with some port 80 and I have been a junkie ever since. I sold my house, my car, the wife and kids left me, I wish I could kick the habit...
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You might call me something of an 'expert' ;) on drugs and their effects. I'm trying out these 'binaural beats' and frankly they don't seem to do muMAGGOTS IN MY SKIN MAGGOTS IN MY SKIN OH GOT THE DEMONS! TAKE ME NOW LUCIFER!
the worst jail in the most orwellian government authoritarian nightmare you can imagine, doesn't begin to compare to the bars drug addiction places in the mind. unless of course, that government destroyed people's freedom by force addicting them to heroin
where before a mind might contemplate philosophy, literature, art, now you have an interrupt cycle which turns this person into a drug seeking zombie
in the entire history of mankind, no entity has destroyed more freedom than drug use. governments are a far second place also ran
i argue with people about drug policy all the time, and it just absolutely floors me how all of the harm is from governmental policy, and no one ever admits to the harm the actual drug does on human lives. its amazing. the arguments against drug policy, are, in a way, the classic rationalization of the average addict: "its the world's fault, not mine"
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My username aside, I have always found that sound inexplicably pleasant....until now.
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to state that they will lead kids to do drugs is nonsense at best
What purpose is served by throwing in such an editorial comment? Also, given that it is not all obviously true, it should be supported by at least a sketch of an argument or an allusion to empirical data. It is at least plausible that an individual experimenting with mind alteration by one means might be led to pursue more effective ones.
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Wired (and consequently Slashdot) got taken. Someone made a VERY CREATIVE remix, using News 9 footage and new content.
For starters, the lip sync throughout the piece is WAY OFF. Its worse than a dubbed Hong Kong kung fu flick. The RPS monitor graphics look pasted on. The 4:20 reference on a laptop screen: too coincidental. The druggies acting is too comical and over the top. The Comic Sans composites, dead giveaway to additional footage.
You guys think you're smarter than everyone and nothing can get past you, but face it, you guys got taken. I was incredulous too, until I viewed the video, and it all became clear. After working 6 years in a TV station, I can tell a real story and when someone has made a mashup.
This kind of insanity is just plain stupid. Binaural beats have a documented psycho-dynamic effect ... programs like Hemi-Sync are intriguing. I don't think people are going to get "high" off of them though. But what if they do? If binaural beats are made illegal and deemed "narcotic", then the "drug war" is more about denying people access to their own minds.
This kind of insanity is just plain stupid. Binaural beats have a documented psycho-dynamic effect ... programs like Hemi-Sync are intriguing. I don't think people are going to get "high" off of them though. But what if they do? If binaural beats are made illegal and deemed "narcotic", then the "drug war" is more about denying people access to their own minds.
Strictly speaking, a narcotic is anything that is similar in action to morphine, aka, an opioid. Therefore, binaural beats can not be considered a narcotic. Indeed, most drugs are not narcotics.
you create less addicts
of course, the committed slow motion suicide loser is going to get any drug he wants. drugs will always be available, but policy has a real effect on ease of access
meanwhile, there is a much larger class of casual idiot who, when denied easy access, simply just don't take the drug. then they mature and grow up... unaddicted
it is in the name of saving the casual idiot, not the committed unredeemable slow motion suicide loser, that heroin, meth, cocaine are illegal
marijuana should be legal. heck, psilocybin, lsd, hallucinogens: these should also be legal because they aren't addictive. well, except for the whole walk out a window part... hmmm... requires some thought. how do you enforce the "use with a babysitter" part? people are by nature irresponsible
however, the hardcore inebriating highly addictive drugs like cocaine, meth, heroin: easier access simply means more addicts, more destroyed lives. that's why they should be illegal
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Yay, something new to be hysterical about! Finally! A friend of mine was locked up when he was in middle school. They used to get high by breathing heavily, then strangling each other until they passed out. They called it "getting high'. Outlaw breathing!!
as the OP's assertion is pure bullshit.
As is the one about psilocybe mushrooms being toxic...
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Nothing new under the sun. This dates me, but when I was in high school the local branch of the John Birch Society advertised an upcoming presentation called "Pot, Rock, and Revolution" that was going to expose how the jungle beat of rock & roll stimulates primitive brain responses and was part of a Communist plot to turn the youth of America into zombies. They seriously cited the Beatles' "Back in the USSR" as propaganda piece, clueless to its status as a parody of "Back in the USA", etc. So a group of long-haired kids went to the meeting, attracting nervous stares but surprisingly little outright hostility, and amazed the crowd by noting that several of us had straight-A grades despite a life-long diet of rock music.
The physiological effects are real--I've even seen people gyrating with huge grins on their faces. We must ban and sound and rigidly control movement before people break out in sporadic dance...
and disagree. Education: yes. Using erowid as a single source: definitely not.
My nephew found an old tank of freon from an A/C service cart at a diesel repair shop. After reading the info and reports at erowid he believed he was perfectly safe to inhale from the tank. Apparently none of the reports and info on erowid mentions the dangers of inhaling freon from an A/C service machine: which is full of oil and contaminates from all the service discharges performed.
My nephew got more than he bargained for. Fortunately the I'm-sure-I'm-dying spell only lasted a couple days and only required one trip to the ER.
I would have told him, had he simply asked. However, not so sure he would have listened seeing as how brilliant the internet has turned him.
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Could you please give the cite for that effect? I've tried them to no apparent effect, but I'd be very interested in trying again if there's actual evidence. Thanks.
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I used to use this quite a bit and create my own experiences. What is does is force your brain waves into different states of consciousness (usually theta, associated with sleep). It takes a while to learn and get your brain used to making changes while conscious. After a while though it is possible to do without the listening to the "beats".
It's not really music, but it’s like these two tones, one in each ear that produces the beat, which only exists in your head. So you sit there and listen to two tones, then you start to hear a beat, but is more sounds like ocean waves. Then it becomes almost like you feel like dreaming and if you close your eyes you might start to.
With enough training one can begin to lucid dream and it's hard to explain but in some of the sessions I experienced what could only be explained as a non-sexual full body orgasm of pure bliss. It also reduces the amount of sleep one would require in order to feel properly rested. It is really good stuff and even better when you learn to shift your brain waves without the beats while conscious.
It's just a result of an educational system that makes "creationism" as important as evolution. Plus an anti-intellectual bias that pervades the entire culture. These people are just plain credulous, they believe that little pills that they see on TV will make their penises bigger!
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decriminalization is for users, not dealers, in portugal
therefore, prohibition is alive and well in portugal, today
and yet you point to portugal as some sort of lesson about prohibition
which simply means you don't even understand what the hell you are talking about
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
one student claiming there are 'demons' involved.
So, it does run NetBSD?
then i fully support it as a valid tactic in the war on drugs
because portugal, of course, understands that drugs are destructive and the goal is to reduce their use, despite the fact that some deluded fools think portugal's experiment means something else
i only have a problem with the fools who believe drugs are harmless, or worse, as you suggest, that they are good for you, good for your creativity
no: a creative person needs no drugs to be creative. drug use in creative people is a contemporaneous phenomenon. creative people, because of the way they see the world, often live on the edges of society. and this puts them in the same company as other people who live on the edge of society, like drug addicts. there are plenty of drug addicts who are not creative. there are plenty of creative people who do not take drugs. there's no connection, not a cause and effect relationship. if the beatles never had a drop of a drug in their entire lives, they'd still make great music, because the source of their creativity is their fertile minds, not the temporary reduction of that mind into a drug stupor now and then, for reasons of recreation, not creation
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
haha, did anyone else notice that the time shown on the iphone was 4:20 at about 2 mins and 10 seconds into that clip? coincidence?
What next? Will there be an anti-drug propaganda film called "Binaural Madness"?
my taxes don't go to support social services?
i think its cheaper for society to prevent the creation of the drug addict then support a zombie, no?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
It's addictive, you know... Fucking helicopter moron parents. Their kids wouldn't be so bored today, had they tried showing them what fun & games are. You don't fight boredom with psychiatrists and police, but with proper, age-suited activities.
Try this one... listen to the whole thing lying down with your eyes closed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpGL7Ba8kA0
The important question I'm asking myself is, how can I make an easy buck selling concerned parents binaural beat testing kits?
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how much does it cost to prevent the creation of the addict in the first place?
yes: there is a committed hardcore group of slow motion suicide types who will always get drugs, no matter what
but there is a much larger group of casual idiots who, if denied easy access, simply don't take the drug. and then don't become addicts. and then mature. and then live addiction free lives
it is for the sake of the second group that the war on drugs is waged, and is cost effective
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The most ill-informed news story I have ever seen.
Isn't there a song about this? Don't they also respect the college dean?
so you want the GOVERNMENT to hand out addictive drugs?
think about that for a second, moron
in the name of the fight for freedom from oppressive government policy, you want to hand government the greatest tool of oppression possible: addictive drugs
i'm sorry, but in a world where the government is doling out heroin, freedom really is dead
people worry about the government having national id cards or keeping tabs on your internet posting. people complain about the opiates of the masses: television and entertainment news, killing our minds
and here you sit, advocating that the government become the drug dealer!
so you like being a slave, huh?
hilarious!
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were it not for the fact that when drug addicts destroy their lives, they often destroy other lives too
in other words, drug addiction is not something that occurs in a vacuum, with ill effects only for the user. drug addiction impacts society in general in a number of ways, in tangible (social services) and intangible (crime increase) costs, and it impacts relationships and jobs in a myriad of tragic ways, large and small
i would love to turn off my human empathy and just walk by drug addicts rotting in the street. but i understand the cost that addict has on society, and for that addict's family/ employer. not to mention, finally, the cost to that addict's own life (which you say we shouldn't care about)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
If binaural beats are made illegal and deemed "narcotic", then the "drug war" is more about denying people access to their own minds.
This is what the drug war has *always* been about. The rest of you are just now starting to figure it out.
"It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times." - Bill Hicks
What a load of hogwash. Have you ever been around a hard core user? 'Man I only need 50 cent so I cans get home on the bus'. It is amazing how many people have this problem. They leach off everyone around them, in mind, body, and spirit.
People who talk about the 'war on drugs' in the way you do are rationalizing what they do. As if they are doing some great good for the planet. Drug use is *RARELY* about that. It is almost always about getting f'd up. I have known and been around many drug users. It is *ALWAYS* about getting tweeked or geeked out.
By the very nature of laws they remove freedoms away from you. However, your freedom is taking away something from everyone else. So we elect people who enact laws that we *ALL* follow for the betterment of everyone. For example I can not drive 150 going home (even though my car is well capable of doing so). Why is this? Oh maybe its dangerous to everyone else on the road? Even if I dont hit anyone? Everyone else basically has to get out of the way of me or I will mess up their lives. How is that not touching and forcing myself upon them in some way?
Hard core users are so into getting f'd up they forget about life. This means hurting spiritually all those around them (including other users they tend to hang with). They no longer want to do their part for society and just want to 'tune out'. The 'drug users are only hurting themselves' is a dirty lie. I believed it for years. Until I had to deal with one daily.
I cant control it but I sure as hell am not going to put up with the lies told by both sides to provide their own self serving agenda.
Or let me put it to you this way. You are taking the word of someone who thinks eating 3 bags all at once of Doritos and following it up with 2 quarts of OJ and vodka is a good idea. Perhaps maybe their 'good ideas' are a little suspect because they are f'd up. Do not let repetition of a lie draw you into thinking it must be right.
drug use results in a degeneration of the mind. often times this can be a pleasant experience. but how can a mind degenerated of its abilities make great creative works? you need all your faculties to make a great artistic creation
lsd users often report seeing the mind of god, or understanding the entire scope of their lives. they even aim to draw what they see or write it down. and, in the throes of their trip, they are indeed seeing the face of god as they transcribe it. then they sober up the next day, and see that all they drew were three wavy lines and a stick, or their great poem reads "catz in europe. seeds. mr. hufflntn. snnr"
no, drug use does not increase creativity. i don't know where this stupid pop culture assumption comes from
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I have already touched on the importance of education prior to experimentation here.
I would also consider trying a drug without studying it first to be abuse, something else that I spoke out against in the post that you responded to.
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Binaural beats, someone recommended them to me to take care of my sleep issues (narcoleptic), and it's a placebo at best. That or I lack something inside my brain.
"Music is the safest kind of high" - Jimi Hendrix
Merry Go Round and chairs can be spun really fast and produce physiological effects. Should these be banned too?
I would imagine that just like these spinning devices, the effects go away once the stimulus is removed. So what's the big deal?
and i pride myself on my creativity
but none of that matters
please describe to me the mechanism by which drug use makes someone more creative. there is none. its just an ignorant pop culture meme
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for a moment there i thought you were advocating for extreme authoritarianism: a government that doles out addictive drugs to its citizens. talk about mind control. what an orwellian nightmare (shudder)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
is that you don't like the uneducated, the lazy, and religious evangelists. good for you, neither do i
but what any of that rant has to do with drug addiction, is beyond me
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Beyond all the 'states of consciousness' debates and how stupid it is that anyone is worried about this (people have used it to meditate for years) this is very scientific.
What they are really doing is just building a poor mans sensory deprivation tank.
Your mind generally keeps track of where your body is by a few things, effects of gravity, vision, and most importantly your body's 'gyroscope' is the inner ear.
By laying down on something soft and not moving you partially remove gravity (true sensory deprivation tanks suspend you in a liquid to do this and thus are far more effective).
By covering your eyes completely you remove vision as a positional reference.
Bi-aural sound effects can induce certain types of brain waves, but they also throw your inner ear gyroscope all out of wack.
Combine the 3 and you've removed your brain's ability to understand where your body is and in what position its in.
This is where the 'out of body' feeling comes from, without a grounding reference the rest of your brain is free to introduce sensations of movement. If you imagine your flying like a bird your brain no longer has a grounding point saying 'you know man, your not REALLY flying'.
The rest of the audio in these tracks in there to 'guide' you into a mental state, induce certain types of brain wave usually with the goal of inducing a lucid dreaming type of state.
Some people tweak out because of this, generally people that hate feeling out of control. Sensory Deprivation tanks have even been used a form of torture. You can also purchase time in them commercially to relax, some spa's have them.
Some people love it, and the people that love it probably are more likely the ones who are also into other forms of mind altering (drugs or whatever). Not that i'm saying its a 'gateway' to anything, if your the type of person that loves this type of experience you don't need a gateway, your already wired to enjoy these things, which is good in my opinion. Everyone needs to let go sometimes.
is a bit late to the party I think...like 40-45 years late.
"Feed your head" indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1cfTMdjkYM&feature=related
I felt really dumb when I saw this post, so I looked some more. The posting on YouTube was from user "NEWS9OklahomaCity" which looked to be the official place for the TV station. Then I went to the new station's web site and searched for "digital drugs", finding several links:
http://www.news9.com/Global/searchresults.asp?vendor=ez&qu=digital+drugs
So it might be that News 9 got taken, but Wired and Slashdot have it right: There are people in OK who think the iPods are going to drive their kids to heroin.
So whenever reading the comments in idle, if I click to expand a comment it instead directs me to a new page with a thread starting from the comment I clicked. As well, if I click "parent" instead of moving through the page to the parent, my browser opens a new window showing only the parent post's thread. This ONLY happens when I'm reading a discussion of Idle. Any ideas? I've tried looking through my settings and I can't find anything.
I played the above youtube video and found myself laughing hysterically. Is that the same effect?
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WARNING: enjoying "music" can stimulate dopamine release and induce a high known as "goosebumps" or "the spine tingles". Seriously, parents need to be aware of this so their kids don't turn into musicians. Oops, I mean drug addicts.
against drug control than comparing it to completely unrelated issues
i can't really respond to you because you're all over the place and quite ridiculous
this is what you are asking me to argue against:
"you can't pass laws against burglary because people will still burgle, and why don't you pass laws against selfishness since that's the same thing!"
whu?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I would just like to point out that, although it differs from the binaural nature of the sounds described in the article, there are some kind of sounds which can have a long term and significant effect on humans. These sounds cause bilateral stimulation. My father is a clinical psychologist and uses them in (Emdr) therapy to kind of 'erase' or 'overwrite' negative memories of people suffering from ptss to a neutral state. These sound are very simple in nature but the effect is astounding. Within a few sessions the disorder can disappear completely. Just an example to show that not all uses of sounds should be regarded as without long term effect. Although I believe the type of sounds discussed in TFA are.
If binaural beats are supposed to exist only in the brain, why, when I play back the files linked to on wikipedia do I hear the beat fluctuation when I listen to only one of my earphones at a time? Is VLC mixing the left and right tracks and not telling me? Is it happening on my mac? Or is the file not a real beats file?
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Hhhhrrrrrmmmmm, it seems Buddhist have been doing something similar for centuries.
All the things you talk about are problems caused by prohibition, not drugs.
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Who would have thought that William Shatner's scifi stories TekWar had any merit with their digital drug 'Tek'.
Now when we get something like Vonneguts 'The Euphio Question' where you can plug into a sound and lose track of days at a time in euphoria ... give me a call.
*DrugCheese rants*
And here I thought merry-go-rounds were still the gateway drug of choice. I guess I'm showing my age.
how much does it cost to prevent the creation of the addict in the first place?
yes: there is a committed hardcore group of slow motion suicide types who will always get drugs, no matter what
but there is a much larger group of casual idiots who, if denied easy access, simply huff the nearest household poison^W cleaner instead. and then die or become addicts.
FTFY
Ozzy and AC/DC were always gateway sounds that led to hardcore drug use...
then the "drug war" is more about denying people access to their own minds.
I submit that this is what the drug war has always been about. /tinfoil hat
I like drugs and I lead a completely normal life.
Hint: Whiskey is the Irish word for "water", not illicit water (can't remember that phrase for illicit water yet so someone help me out.)
After reading an article like that, and seeing such a video, I have this incredible desire to "kill all the phonies."
Anyone want to give me a ride to NYC?
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I personally have a brainwave entrainment website called Brainwave Sculptures - http://www.brainwavesculptures.com/ where I offer a collection of meditative binaural and monaural audio which are safe to use, relaxing, stimulating and meditative. Feel free to check it out I hope you enjoy!
what does it mean if you *don't* hear a beat? thats what i want to know. because I noticed that on a few of the files i found, i could tell the sound from each earphone was different, but it did not produce a beat in my brain. it was just two annoying sounds.
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This sounds like a bunch of jenkem to me...
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On the same lines, we shouldn't let our kids watch Fantasia, for the matter.
What they REALLY need to watch out for is preschoolers spinning around until the literally drop. Sometimes they can't even stand up afterward. Much worse, Playskool has been selling them paraphernalia.
It's the kind of thing that could lead to heroin or figure skating.
I'd say: citation needed. You have easy access to all sorts of things that are very dangerous, and addictive, and yet somehow you don't have an epidemic of "casual idiots" who take those. Just walk into your friendly home improvement store and look on the shelves.
As far as I'm concerned, maybe the casual idiots should excuse themselves from the gene pool. Why should we spend billions on a "war" that keeps casual idiots living in our society. I don't see how "casual idiots" can generally mature, sorry. I'd tend to think that most of them (50%+) stay casual idiots.
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This "binaural beat" thing is a recycled fad from the 90's "new age" movement; binaural beats were supposed to help induce specific brain states that were conducive to meditation, self-hypnosis, etc. Often a binaural beat track was combined with positive subliminal messaging, etc. You won't find many scientific articles that actually confirm the effects are anything more than placebo. This local news report must have scared the shite out of all 300 viewers who saw it...
"Binaural beats have a documented psycho-dynamic effect"
[citation needed]
Listening to sound waves in no way alters the pattern of waves produced by your brain, and in no way alters your consciousness.
I am scientifically inaccurate.
Any chance they could use this stupidity to outlaw advertising? I mean, sound and lights that affect human behavior and all...
Blue Star iPhones?
I should have been an ear or sound specialist. Between kids today have 500, 1000 or more watts of boom boom boom coming from their cars, or blasting 120db of sounds from their MP3 players to get high, we are going to have a bunch of DEAF kids in 10-20 years. Either that, or buy stock in hearing aid companies.
This is absurd, and is demonizing the perfectly natural desire to alter consciousness: there is no shortage of examples of animals seeking intoxication through any number of means, and I could name at least five or six off the top of my head. There is nothing wrong with brainwave manipulation for altering mental facilities: it's free, it's not physically addictive, and it's physically safe - indeed, it's probably the safest way to shift consciousness. I just find it absolutely absurd that these kids are choosing such a safe route to broaden their minds and their experiences - and still you have a group of people shrieking and freaking out about it.
If you oppose something as benign as brainwave stimulation, ask yourself how austere, flavourless, and joyless you want life to be for people, and what this indicates about you as a person.
Why not demonize yoga, tai chi, meditation, prayer, television, sex, and even food while we're at it, since if you're doing them right, they're all powerful ways of altering consciousness? Certainly some of them can lead to drug use, as well: one can speculate that certain groups of yogi and meditators are more inclined towards drug use than the normal population. Does that mean that they should be avoided? Hell, no.
This is nothing new, claiming that these mind altering techniques are dangerous for The Children. This is just fear based thinking where everything that might expand ones consciousness about themselves and the world surrounding them is being turned into frightful thinking and "demons" that will limit thinking of people not smart enough to see behind the ill-logicalness of this kind of thinking
These kind of binaural beats can be used to control and expand thinking behaviour. They incorporate sounds that encourage left- and right-brain communication, making new connections and enabling the user with other meditation and medication procedures to expand their mind literally, to control their own behaviour better and to find new sides of themselves not known before. This is frightening for the people who want to keep the Status Quo up to date.
Think about it.
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@2:07 in the video 4:20 on an iphone so the news is luring you to use drugs(and iphones) too.
... Ryoji Ikeda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_2r0J7bHo
They might start with MP3s and Youtube but once they're hooked they'll go to FLACs or even make their own uncut stuff.
Your neighbor might be running an oscillator lab in his basement and you don't even know it!
After reading this article, I guess there's a reason they call it the "Gateway" Experience. ;-)
Moral panic is middle america's drug of choice.
[Hide the childrens' ears. I'm going to say bad words! : ) ]
Oh for fucks sake! It's like established authoritarian sources are trying to find something.
Does listening to this cause severe dependence in a majority of users? No? Then leave it -the fuck- alone.
I saw this having beneficial uses with helping calm people down who have pre-op anxiety. Or Anxiety in general.
Also in the opposite, instead of downing coffee in the morning. Crank up the tunes and wake up!
I don't think it's a mystery that music and sound have mood altering properties.
Who isn't stirred by a rousing Sousa march during a 4th of July parade? Who feels sorrow or reverence when Amazing Grace is played for a fallen hero?
Well son! That's all druuuuuugggggsss! You're usin' drugs when ya feel that way.
Tell that to every damn fundie out there who is going to get into an absolute uproar over this.
Just for once, can't people find out about this themselves without the FUD slant?
Maybe find some real clinical studies or perform some long term studies
and find out how beneficial or detrimental this sound usage is.
BTW, I am a damn fundie. Even I think this is absolutely inane.
~where the sins come sweeping down the plains~
~where any change is bad~
~where anything you do might make a Okie mad~
I've tried many binaural beats CDs, including esoteric expensive ones I borrowed from a friend into them. Most of them suck because although they probably (?) have the right difference in frequency between left and right ear, the two frequencies were fairly high up in frequency, and I find it dissonant and irritating pretty quick. My guess is that most CDs do this because they can't assume that you have good headphones that can really do deep bass. If you have both L and R sides at low frequencies, it is **powerful** and it is less irritating, or at least it is for me. Also a bunch on the market have crappy new agey chimes or amateurish music that is lame the first time you hear it, and way more so the 20th time you've heard it.
In contrast, there are TWO CDS THAT ARE AWESOME, which I continue to use, with my big headphones that can do the low bass...
I listen to these two CD repeatedly and enjoy the meditative and sorta head-trippy effect. I find they tend to calm me and focus me. It feels like it is increasing cooperation between my brain hemispheres. Like, when I'm doing very left brain stuff like programming, I feel more creative. And sometimes I feel more grounded, and more social (less shy and less self-involved) afterward so it's easier to do other things in life.
I'll listen to both of these in quite varied settings. Not just meditation, but also cleaning the house, or programming code, or blocking out sounds at work, or running on a treadmill.
As I mentioned, these two CDs require headphones with GOOD BASS RESPONSE. For the record, I'm extremely fond of my Ultrasone 650 headphones, which btw do not need a headphone amp to have deep bass with iPod / iPhone, btw. Ultrasone is a brand not well known outside recording studio / pro audio worlds. Here's a link to more of their headphones.
I strongly recommend these two CDs to geeks and non-geeks alike, and to those who like traditional drugs and for those who are 'straight edge'! :-)
I hope you enjoy them!
I'm not affiliated with the guy who made them, I just like his work.
It means that your brain isn’t trying to recombine the sounds properly. Switch the audio mode to mono and playback the same file to have the computer combine the tracks and if you still can’t hear a beat then you must have broken the universe.
The brain tries to recombine the sounds from the left and right ear to form one panorama of sound with a sense of direction. Just like it tries to recombine the images from the left and right eye to form one image with a sense of depth.
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
Would that be protected under freedom of religion and speech.?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dervish
Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
Remember all the trials about subliminal message causing teens to commit acts of violence or promiscuity from records? And people all up in arms about 'satanic' messages when records were played backwards b.s.? this is just history repeating itself in my opinion... this is just a placebo effect or power of suggestion really. You will get the same thing from chilling out listening to some Enigma or Massive Attack for example.
Grain alcohol and pure rain water is the way to go !
I have nothing to lose but my bindings.
By Ad Visser:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Visser
http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/1256
http://www.advisser.nl/ :)
(with sound
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Ad+Visser
...beg to differ.
P.
Your idea is asking for a "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" tag. Legalize all the stuff and next day the corporations will take over drug trage. If that doesn't sound bad just look at the food industry. What would happen is a rapidly rising number of drug addicts because an addicted person is much more likely to make another purchase. I recall reading a story here on /. about junk food that has similar addictive effects on a human as drugs. Corporate-driven food industry lead to the rapid grow of overweighted people because junk food sells best -- even if it doesn't make people addictive, obese people eat more for they need more energy to move all these fat around. Replace "obese" with "drug-addict" and you will see what happens to the society if you legalize all the stuff.
Second, look at the deaths from corporations running tobacco industry -- they can hire clever people to do clever marketing for them so they can sell poison. Most parents are amateurs in that aspect, they can't really compete with well-educated and well-paid marketing departments of tobacco companies which like to target even less experienced youth. As a result many people die from second-hand smoking, even those who are clever enough not to fall for the shit.
Now I know, overpopulation, Darwinism, those who are smart are more likely to survive etc, but there is a catch here: If drug addicts were a danger only for themselves, similar to obese people, it'd be less of a problem. Not the case though. And it will get much worse than obesity and smoking combined if you start selling amphetamines or heroine at your local supermarkets.
just wondering if anyone else has notice that @2:06 in the video the time on the iPhone says 4:20 PM. Looks like that news company does a little puff puff pass themselves. But also, I have tried to use these idoses last year they only work for some people and i found one that put me to sleep in the middle of the day but other than that i have had no side effects. They supposedly only work once and after that you need a different dose file to make it work again. I for one don't really care if this is illegal because this way of getting "high" is going to cost money that you have to pay with a credit card after a while and from what I know which isnt much, usually all of these druggies only carry cash on them because there dope dealer doesnt take credit cards (although I'm sure he will gladly take them from you if you offer them.)
To support your point, maybe they would find these links on Rat Park experiment from the 1970s that shows how addictive behavior arises from distressing environments?
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park
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Rat Park was a study into drug addiction conducted in the late 1970s (and published in 1980), by Canadian psychologist Bruce K. Alexander and his colleagues at Simon Fraser University in British Columbia, Canada.
Alexander's hypothesis was that drugs do not cause addiction, and that the apparent addiction to opiate drugs commonly observed in laboratory rats exposed to it is attributable to their living conditions, and not to any addictive property of the drug itself.[1] He told the Canadian Senate in 2001 that prior experiments in which laboratory rats were kept isolated in cramped metal cages, tethered to a self-injection apparatus, show only that "severely distressed animals, like severely distressed people, will relieve their distress pharmacologically if they can."[2]
To test his hypothesis, Alexander built Rat Park, an 8.8 m2 (95 sq ft) housing colony, 200 times the square footage of a standard laboratory cage. There were 16-20 rats of both sexes in residence, an abundance of food, balls and wheels for play, and enough space for mating and raising litters.[3] The results of the experiment appeared to support his hypothesis. Rats who had been forced to consume morphine hydrochloride for 57 consecutive days were brought to Rat Park and given a choice between plain tap water and water laced with morphine. For the most part, they chose the plain water. "Nothing that we tried," Alexander wrote, "... produced anything that looked like addiction in rats that were housed in a reasonably normal environment."[1] Control groups of rats isolated in small cages consumed much more morphine in this and several subsequent experiments.
The two major science journals, Science and Nature, rejected Alexander, Coambs, and Hadaway's first paper, which appeared instead in Psychopharmacology, a respectable but much smaller journal in 1978. The paper's publication initially attracted no response.[4] Within a few years, Simon Fraser University withdrew Rat Park's funding.
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"A claymation short on the Rat Park experiment"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3swVNAaoDgw
Im Soviet Russia there were guards at the borders to keep people from escaping. In the Capitalist USA, there are guards at the medicine cabinets to keep people from escaping. We need to fix the society and its underlying economics to meet the needs of the 21st century, as discussed in this knol I put up:
"Beyond a Jobless Recovery: A heterodox perspective on 21st century economics"
http://knol.google.com/k/paul-d-fernhout/beyond-a-jobless-recovery
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.