You quoted only part of the text, and missed the critical bit.
Certain tying arrangements are illegal in the United States under both the Sherman Antitrust Act, and Section 3 of the Clayton Act. A tying arrangement is defined as "an agreement by a party to sell one product but only on the condition that the buyer also purchases a different (or tied) product, or at least agrees he will not purchase the product from any other supplier." Tying may be the action of several companies as well as the work of just one firm. Success on a tying claim typically requires proof of four elements: (1) two separate products or services are involved; (2) the purchase of the tying product is conditioned on the additional purchase of the tied product; (3) the seller has sufficient market power in the market for the tying product; (4) a not insubstantial amount of interstate commerce in the tied product market is affected.
Look at point 3 - "sufficient market power."
Apple do *not* have sufficient market power (which is usually triggered by monopoly status) and therefore are not subject to laws against tying.
Monopoly status (or 'sufficient market power') triggers a whole raft of conditions which are not an issue before that point.
I supported your point, but you have to go and take a cheap shot for no reason:
"Apple is able to pull that because of their BRANDING,nothing more. Believe me I have known plenty of Mac heads and a snobbier bunch has never been on the earth."
So now while I still support your point, but know that you're an arse.
Here's fun for you - spend 15 years being told your platform of choice is a toy (despite not having the games released for it) and that you're obviously stupid because you prefer not to deal with command lines. Look in any popular media and see the insults reinforced by pundits.
When you've done that, come back and I'll call you an elitist, a snob, someone who can't think through a marketing slogan without whipping out your credit card. I'll call you a follower, a slave to fashion, a flavour-of-the-month purchaser. I'll tell you that you don't understand anything about computers, and the whole BSD system is lost on you because you don't think.
Hell, I'll probably call you gay, just for fun.
I'll keep calling you those things for another 8 years.
Which is where we are today. Forgive me if your cheap shot is all I need to realise you're an arse.
You probably didn't mean it, and I'm normally a bit thicker-skinned, but I'm tired of bozo comments from people who should have some clue.
The GM who said it was okay (mostly after the fact) got it wrong. The terms of service have something about getting around restrictions through in-game methods.
This guy found a way to have six people in a five-person instance. By manipulating the group (having other players enter, join and leave every minute so as to avoid the auto-leave-instance effect that triggers after a minute) he circumvented game mechanics.
He cheated. He didn't need a hack to do it, he just used a method that the designers didn't explicitly code against. They didn't think to, but that doesn't make his play any more fair.
He got a three day ban for his efforts, and missed the opportunity to hit 80 first in the world.
Microsoft's START bar got it right. Apple finder and the desktop thing was ok for its time, but really, Microsoft's START bar is actually the thing that we find ourselves using. My Gnome start bar is essentially the MS START bar with some doodads, as is the Mac OS/X bar.
I agree with the general post, but this one is way off in my opinion.
Too many items in the Start menu are buried several layers deep, requiring careful coordination to avoid leaving the menu altogether. It's not simple enough.
The Dock in OS X works pretty well, but lacks the general usability of the Start menu. Well, it does until you drag your/Applications folder into the Dock and use that as a shortcut to your apps.
Here's just one way Apple is trying to remove choice: Apple wants to dominate the cellphone market with the iPhone, but they place all kinds of ridiculous restrictions on the device, and abuse developers.
So you buy a different phone?
I can't see the problem there. If the feature you want (eg 'freedom' complete with air quotes) is not available, buy a product that has it.
Apple were evil because Microsoft broke an agreement and used prototype Macs and full access to APIs to create their own copy?
What bastards Apple are!
Competition is Microsoft seeing Apple's Mac development and building something similar (or better). To do that properly, you need a clean-room environment and enforcement of seperation between Microsoft's Mac developers and the Windows developers.
Competition is good. Copying is bad. It's as simple as that.
Microsoft were in the wrong here, but got off due to Sculley's foolishness.
Yes, because appaearing an a Slashdot story means it has been implemented.
It's on the government's drawing board, and they're rightly copping a lot of flak for the plan. Business will soon weigh in with the "crippled Internet equals crippled business" line, and the plan will never see the light of day.
The system works, and Australia does, in fact, rock.
Surely the first case would have revolved around the attack by the two boys, using the knife, threats and all that. I mean, that's a pretty straightforward criminal act right there without going further to look at the proceeds of crime (data).
I know, read the article, read the article. It's early, and I'm skimming headlines.
Oh well, I guess you *are* one of those people then.
Think about what "point upgrade" means, and you'll get there. Don't worry that these arguments ended years back. You're new, you can't be expected to know. You'll get there.
By the way, while Apple dropped Firewire from the main consumer-level laptop, they kept it on every other machine (the 13" MacBook, all MacBook Pros, the Mac Mini, the iMacs and the tower). It doesn't look like they're dumping Firewire to me.
There's no winning or losing in this standards 'war' - Firewire and USB aren't competing for the same market. There's a fair amount of market overlap, but Firewire is targeted at more professional use and USB is targeted at more ubiquitous, consumer use.
There's room enough for both standards here. I can't see why one standard has to 'win' if sometimes the best tool for the job is the other one.
Really? 10.5.5 was a free upgrade, as was every other point upgrade from a base OS version.
Can you provide an example?
Or are you one of those people who believe that 10.5 is a point upgrade from 10.4? I'd be surprised if you were, as most of those trolls gave up about five years ago.
Your ISP will have people who are of various political persuasions working there. Someone will one day think "This customer is a candidate for the election. What are they looking at?"
Before you know it there are leaks and regardless of the outcome for the leaker, the candidate will be hurt and probably lose the election.
It's the same as having every single phone call bugged and recorded. Someone will use it against someone else, or at the absolute minimum, data will end up sold to marketing companies.
You're completely correct. Only their past actions make MS seem evil. A document about their ethics is mere window dressing.
(I kid, I kid! Not on this, but on other things, I kid, I kid! I mean, which other company has destroyed the competition in such a way? Outside munitions manufacturers, that is? But hey, they've got good ideas about ethics these days. It's just a shame their management can't take time out of their vital puppy-strangling projects to read them! Try the chicken, tip your waitress and remember, I'm here all week so you don't have to be.)
You know that if you backdated this a month or two, you could afford fifteen iPod Touch (32GB) units, two MacBook Pros (the kind released tomorrow), an Apple TV, Time Capsule and a partridge in a... no, I mean a few iTunes gift cards.
And tomorrow Apple release new machines. Get ready to buy half a dozen Mac Pro towers, preloaded with 32GB RAM and 2x30" Apple Cinema displays.
The rest of the world wouldn't just sit back and agree to forgive that amount. It might be painful to drop your biggest customer, but if the customer starts refusing to pay you've got to cut your losses and move on.
Not that the concept is even on the table! Let's wait until we're closer to the brink before we go nuts.
10 trillion in debt, and where did the money to bail out banks come from? Borrowed! Genius!
Oddly enough, this reminded me of SimCity.
When I first started playing the game, I'd borrow heavily to fund agressive growth, thinking that if I cuold grow fast enough, I'd make the money back fairly quickly.
After a while I realised that the borrowing was hurting me far more than any other factor, so I started trying slow, organic growth. My cities were a bit of a hodge-podge at first, but I stayed in positive cash flow every game-month.
Although it's too simplistic to be completely realistic, I've often wondered where we'd be if politicians had to show competence in even simplistic games like this. I suspect that it'd be revealing to see how different politicians play the game.
That would be an excellent start. Get it *all* out - Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Al Gore, Cheney, Rumsfeld... expose *all* the lies and secrets. Prosecute the guilty and ensure that their crimes are recorded accurately into history.
If that actually happened, US politics would be infinitely better for it. Even better if transparency was rigorously enforced from now on, through exposing issues like this email thing.
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You have a choice. Pick one:
[ ] Windows Vista
[ ] Windows XP
[ ] OS X
[ ] Linux (write variant here _____________________ )
The right thing to do if you disagree with the product in some manner (features, terms of use, etc) is to choose something else.
Crying and whining that the product you want doesn't have terms you can accept is just that - crying and whining.
Choose something else.
You quoted only part of the text, and missed the critical bit.
Certain tying arrangements are illegal in the United States under both the Sherman Antitrust Act, and Section 3 of the Clayton Act. A tying arrangement is defined as "an agreement by a party to sell one product but only on the condition that the buyer also purchases a different (or tied) product, or at least agrees he will not purchase the product from any other supplier." Tying may be the action of several companies as well as the work of just one firm. Success on a tying claim typically requires proof of four elements:
(1) two separate products or services are involved;
(2) the purchase of the tying product is conditioned on the additional purchase of the tied product;
(3) the seller has sufficient market power in the market for the tying product;
(4) a not insubstantial amount of interstate commerce in the tied product market is affected.
Look at point 3 - "sufficient market power."
Apple do *not* have sufficient market power (which is usually triggered by monopoly status) and therefore are not subject to laws against tying.
Monopoly status (or 'sufficient market power') triggers a whole raft of conditions which are not an issue before that point.
I supported your point, but you have to go and take a cheap shot for no reason:
"Apple is able to pull that because of their BRANDING,nothing more. Believe me I have known plenty of Mac heads and a snobbier bunch has never been on the earth."
So now while I still support your point, but know that you're an arse.
Here's fun for you - spend 15 years being told your platform of choice is a toy (despite not having the games released for it) and that you're obviously stupid because you prefer not to deal with command lines. Look in any popular media and see the insults reinforced by pundits.
When you've done that, come back and I'll call you an elitist, a snob, someone who can't think through a marketing slogan without whipping out your credit card. I'll call you a follower, a slave to fashion, a flavour-of-the-month purchaser. I'll tell you that you don't understand anything about computers, and the whole BSD system is lost on you because you don't think.
Hell, I'll probably call you gay, just for fun.
I'll keep calling you those things for another 8 years.
Which is where we are today. Forgive me if your cheap shot is all I need to realise you're an arse.
You probably didn't mean it, and I'm normally a bit thicker-skinned, but I'm tired of bozo comments from people who should have some clue.
Is that a developer issue, or just something you want?
The GM who said it was okay (mostly after the fact) got it wrong. The terms of service have something about getting around restrictions through in-game methods.
This guy found a way to have six people in a five-person instance. By manipulating the group (having other players enter, join and leave every minute so as to avoid the auto-leave-instance effect that triggers after a minute) he circumvented game mechanics.
He cheated. He didn't need a hack to do it, he just used a method that the designers didn't explicitly code against. They didn't think to, but that doesn't make his play any more fair.
He got a three day ban for his efforts, and missed the opportunity to hit 80 first in the world.
Who is June?
And why did he stop part-way through beating her?
This is a can of worms!
Microsoft's START bar got it right. Apple finder and the desktop thing was ok for its time, but really, Microsoft's START bar is actually the thing that we find ourselves using. My Gnome start bar is essentially the MS START bar with some doodads, as is the Mac OS/X bar.
I agree with the general post, but this one is way off in my opinion.
Too many items in the Start menu are buried several layers deep, requiring careful coordination to avoid leaving the menu altogether. It's not simple enough.
The Dock in OS X works pretty well, but lacks the general usability of the Start menu. Well, it does until you drag your /Applications folder into the Dock and use that as a shortcut to your apps.
Here's just one way Apple is trying to remove choice: Apple wants to dominate the cellphone market with the iPhone, but they place all kinds of ridiculous restrictions on the device, and abuse developers.
So you buy a different phone?
I can't see the problem there. If the feature you want (eg 'freedom' complete with air quotes) is not available, buy a product that has it.
It's been a long time since I compiled a Linux kernel, but I recall performance options for architecture. Have these been removed?
Apple was the evil one in that case. Full stop.
Apple were evil because Microsoft broke an agreement and used prototype Macs and full access to APIs to create their own copy?
What bastards Apple are!
Competition is Microsoft seeing Apple's Mac development and building something similar (or better). To do that properly, you need a clean-room environment and enforcement of seperation between Microsoft's Mac developers and the Windows developers.
Competition is good. Copying is bad. It's as simple as that.
Microsoft were in the wrong here, but got off due to Sculley's foolishness.
Yes, because appaearing an a Slashdot story means it has been implemented.
It's on the government's drawing board, and they're rightly copping a lot of flak for the plan. Business will soon weigh in with the "crippled Internet equals crippled business" line, and the plan will never see the light of day.
The system works, and Australia does, in fact, rock.
Surely the first case would have revolved around the attack by the two boys, using the knife, threats and all that. I mean, that's a pretty straightforward criminal act right there without going further to look at the proceeds of crime (data).
I know, read the article, read the article. It's early, and I'm skimming headlines.
Oh well, I guess you *are* one of those people then.
Think about what "point upgrade" means, and you'll get there. Don't worry that these arguments ended years back. You're new, you can't be expected to know. You'll get there.
All your stuff no longer works.
Really?
(plugs in Firewire drive, watches it mount)
Phew! It still works!
By the way, while Apple dropped Firewire from the main consumer-level laptop, they kept it on every other machine (the 13" MacBook, all MacBook Pros, the Mac Mini, the iMacs and the tower). It doesn't look like they're dumping Firewire to me.
There's no winning or losing in this standards 'war' - Firewire and USB aren't competing for the same market. There's a fair amount of market overlap, but Firewire is targeted at more professional use and USB is targeted at more ubiquitous, consumer use.
There's room enough for both standards here. I can't see why one standard has to 'win' if sometimes the best tool for the job is the other one.
Really? 10.5.5 was a free upgrade, as was every other point upgrade from a base OS version.
Can you provide an example?
Or are you one of those people who believe that 10.5 is a point upgrade from 10.4? I'd be surprised if you were, as most of those trolls gave up about five years ago.
Your ISP will have people who are of various political persuasions working there. Someone will one day think "This customer is a candidate for the election. What are they looking at?"
Before you know it there are leaks and regardless of the outcome for the leaker, the candidate will be hurt and probably lose the election.
It's the same as having every single phone call bugged and recorded. Someone will use it against someone else, or at the absolute minimum, data will end up sold to marketing companies.
Sarah Palin reminds me a bit of Pauline Hanson here in Oz.
Yes, but without Hanson's incisive mind or penetrating wit.
... it doesn't make MS a single bit evil
You're completely correct. Only their past actions make MS seem evil. A document about their ethics is mere window dressing.
(I kid, I kid! Not on this, but on other things, I kid, I kid! I mean, which other company has destroyed the competition in such a way? Outside munitions manufacturers, that is? But hey, they've got good ideas about ethics these days. It's just a shame their management can't take time out of their vital puppy-strangling projects to read them! Try the chicken, tip your waitress and remember, I'm here all week so you don't have to be.)
You know that if you backdated this a month or two, you could afford fifteen iPod Touch (32GB) units, two MacBook Pros (the kind released tomorrow), an Apple TV, Time Capsule and a partridge in a... no, I mean a few iTunes gift cards.
And tomorrow Apple release new machines. Get ready to buy half a dozen Mac Pro towers, preloaded with 32GB RAM and 2x30" Apple Cinema displays.
Oh yeah, it's a living hell here in Australia.
Can't stop to talk more, the weather's heating up and we're all off to the beach now, then maybe a barbeque later. We'll throw a prawn on for you.
Man that's a lot of trouble to go through just because I downloaded Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On".
There can be no punishment that is worse than the crime itself. Surely you must be allowed to go free.
The rest of the world wouldn't just sit back and agree to forgive that amount. It might be painful to drop your biggest customer, but if the customer starts refusing to pay you've got to cut your losses and move on.
Not that the concept is even on the table! Let's wait until we're closer to the brink before we go nuts.
Well, the democrat part is far better - you're spending your own money, after all. The other model leaves you with a debt.
10 trillion in debt, and where did the money to bail out banks come from? Borrowed! Genius!
Oddly enough, this reminded me of SimCity.
When I first started playing the game, I'd borrow heavily to fund agressive growth, thinking that if I cuold grow fast enough, I'd make the money back fairly quickly.
After a while I realised that the borrowing was hurting me far more than any other factor, so I started trying slow, organic growth. My cities were a bit of a hodge-podge at first, but I stayed in positive cash flow every game-month.
Although it's too simplistic to be completely realistic, I've often wondered where we'd be if politicians had to show competence in even simplistic games like this. I suspect that it'd be revealing to see how different politicians play the game.
That would be an excellent start. Get it *all* out - Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Al Gore, Cheney, Rumsfeld... expose *all* the lies and secrets. Prosecute the guilty and ensure that their crimes are recorded accurately into history.
If that actually happened, US politics would be infinitely better for it. Even better if transparency was rigorously enforced from now on, through exposing issues like this email thing.