It is a bug, and it will (or should be) fixed, but don't defend it as reasonable. Linux doesn't have this problem, OS X doesn't and XP certainly didn't. It's completely unreasonable to see network throughput degraded when playing music. It's not just imperfect, it's complete crap.
This came up last week, so we're waiting for a fix from Microsoft.
I caught a few episodes of the TV series, but I just can't work it out. It's set in a maximum security prison and there's no sign of Dorothy, Toto, the lion or the others. It was good, but I just can't make the link.
So that's why Office takes up 525MB on my hard drive. It's all those files for Clippy to 'help' in every imaginable circumstance. I should turn that feature back on.
"I see you're filling in the form to create a new company under Australian law. Can I help you with that?" "I see you're cooking steak for dinner tonight and are wondering about the sauce. Can I help you with that?" "I see you're looking to buy good house in an inner city suburb, but not one of those suburbs bought out by the rich, just a nice place with good nightlife. Oh - and the house needs to be free-standing with a garden and ideally some sort of city view. Maybe a pool nearby and definitely good public transport. Can I help you with that?"
I've never felt a stronger urge to edit a Wikipedia page than with this one. It's screaming out to be revised from the "drop bears are a myth" line to a much better "drop bears are thought to be a myth" line.
Clearly the page was written by someone who, if they ever met the Easter Bunny, would shoot it, skin it and show the skin to kids.
That's not necessarily correct, you're not being logical here. For your argument to hold all users would have to be using identical systems, configured identically.
It may be related to specific set-up, which features are enabled and so on. In that case it may very well be Vista but different users see different effects. Since there are various users in the linked forum (many with equipment details) and patterns aren't clear, it may well be a Vista issue.
You may be correct and Vista is not to blame, but there's no proof either way yet. I maintain that the weight of the evidence tends towards Vista being at fault.
Look at the cool places where all the kids "hang out" on the Internet these days - iTunes, Facebook, YouTube, MySpace - and nowhere will you see Microsoft mentioned. When all said and done, Microsoft just isn't cool.
You're spot on there, and the final proof of this has been delivered by Microsoft themselves.
Look at the Zune (if you can). Look at the box, the device and then try to find a Microsoft logo.
You won't, because there isn't one. Microsoft know that their own branding would lessen the Zune's appeal, so they left it off completely. Advertisements for the Zune don't show a Microsoft logo or give any hint that it's one of their products. It's almost like they're ashamed to mention the device's roots.
This exposes an issue I have with Wikipedia - who edits last wins.
If these people had used IP anonymisers, they'd never have been picked up and the edits would have looked just like arguments back and forth until someone gave up. The problem is that a company can be far more tenacious than any one person, even paying marketing people to make sure Wikipedia has the 'right' information.
The answer I see from Wikipedia fans is "just edit the page when you see an error." That's great, but if someone's determined enough, they'll edit right afterwards, making the entire thing pointless.
The greatest strength of Wikipedia is the reason I believe it must ultimately fail.
Stating that something is obvious doesn't make it so. You need to back up your statement.
Even if people block advertising, it's not theft. It's wilfully not looking at something, but theft is a different concept. It's not piracy either. I don't believe there is a crime committed here, but I'd be interested in your view should you present one.
Finally, I would block television advertising in an instant if I could. I agree that this would undermine the entire funding model of television, and I'm keen to play a part in its downfall.
No, it's more that I wonder how anyone can get by in life so... vacant of interest in the world outside their own borders. I'd be amazed if anyone outside Australia knew much about our politics, or cared for that matter, but knowing who leads the country is reasonable.
Since Google is broken and no other Internet search engine can apparently be reached from your computer, I'll help you out. John Howard is the Australian Prime Minister. That's Australia, the huge island between the Indian and Pacific Oceans (west of California), about the size of the USA. It's not Austria, the small country next to Germany (in Europe, which is across the Atlantic Ocean, east of the USA). Normally I'd not bother with such detailed information, but it'll save you asking again, or having to work out how to search for information on the Internet.
Thanks for this comment. I'm not a networking clever-person and your bit about disabling the firewall concerns me somewhat. I checked my router and discovered that UPNP was on by default. It's off now, and I'm not seeing any less functionality.
I'm looking forward to downloading their source code and compiling it. As is normal for open source, this'll be made available from their web site to anyone who wants it, and will have no penalties for personal use. Maybe it'll give me some ideas for development that I can use for similar, competing products.
Speaking purely for myself here, I find that spelling errors leap off the page at me, seeming to require some extra effort to read. I don't think it's being anal for the sake of it, but correct spelling does matter.
It's fundamental - You can communicate without spelling correctly, but it makes it harder for people to understand you. A few errors don't matter so much, but over time this leads to many errors, making documents just that much harder to read. Sometimes an error, particularly a homophone such as two, to and too, can change the meaning of a sentence.
It's professional - I've seen resumes with spelling errors in the section about how great the person is at communicating. Instant bin.
It's a standard - Allowing spelling to drift will produce variations in the language, hindering communication between widely spaced groups. Think of all the accents you get in the UK. They all speak English, but some are harder to understand than others. I've seen English shows subtitled for US audiences. This adds a layer to simple, spoken communications between people speaking the same language. If this were to spread to written documents, then we will see a similar problem.
I'm not such a stickler for grammar, but my arguments hold for it as well. The one thing that really bugs me more than any other mis-use of the language is the wanton abuse of the apostraphe. I'm seeing it everywhere now, and it's like sand in my eyes every damned time. Is it so hard to get it right? It's not for plurals but for ownership and contractions. It's definitely not for every damned word ending with the letter "s." I just can't believe how people abuse this poor punctuation mark.
With the cut in piracy, surely we'll soon be seeing the benefits of lower-priced software! After all, one of the reasons for software prices being high is piracy, isn't it?
And every time the comic has a major, world-changing event, the world resets after a few minutes, the evil overlords respawn and things return to normal.
"Oh look! There's the evil monster xxxx! Kill it!"
(a short time passes)
"Oh look again! There's the evil monster xxxx again! Kill it again!"
You should look up the Marathon series, by Bungie. Although the graphics are dated now, the plots were light enough to allow fun gameplay, but deep enough to allow extended analysis ( http://marathon.bungie.org/Story/ )
I think they're good examples of getting it right in an industry that too often says "why bother with a reason to do stuff?"
If you're going to make a Windows app, make a damn Windows app. Don't port an OS X app over to Windows, because not only is the look and feel all wrong but the functionality of "standard" controls is different as well. I don't expecto to have to ctrl-click or shift-click on a button in Windows to make some action happen, but that's exactly how the iTunes software works.
Something Mac users like myself have complained about for a very long time is poorly ported applications. Apple's iTunes on Windows (and apparently Quicktime on Windows, but I've not tried it) is an example of this. It doesn't fit with the Windows 'look and feel' leaving it out of place.
Microsoft got it right with Office on OS X, building an interface and behaviors specific to OS X. Why can't Apple reciprocate and make proper Windows apps?
Have you ever used Office on the Mac? Recently they've gotten it right, but they've had many attempts at it over the past twenty years. Too often they've ported their own UI code to minimise Office code changes, leading to excruciatingly slow performance. Office 6 was hilariously bad, for example. The new versions are better than any previous version (except perhaps 5.1), but look at the performance on a Mac versus a similarly spec'd PC. The difference is amazing. Microsoft don't have a great claim to be better than Apple on this one.
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It is a bug, and it will (or should be) fixed, but don't defend it as reasonable. Linux doesn't have this problem, OS X doesn't and XP certainly didn't. It's completely unreasonable to see network throughput degraded when playing music. It's not just imperfect, it's complete crap.
This came up last week, so we're waiting for a fix from Microsoft.
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/26/162 8200
Microsoft admits it.
I caught a few episodes of the TV series, but I just can't work it out. It's set in a maximum security prison and there's no sign of Dorothy, Toto, the lion or the others. It was good, but I just can't make the link.
So that's why Office takes up 525MB on my hard drive. It's all those files for Clippy to 'help' in every imaginable circumstance. I should turn that feature back on.
"I see you're filling in the form to create a new company under Australian law. Can I help you with that?"
"I see you're cooking steak for dinner tonight and are wondering about the sauce. Can I help you with that?"
"I see you're looking to buy good house in an inner city suburb, but not one of those suburbs bought out by the rich, just a nice place with good nightlife. Oh - and the house needs to be free-standing with a garden and ideally some sort of city view. Maybe a pool nearby and definitely good public transport. Can I help you with that?"
Go Clippy!
It's always in the last place you look for it, so for a nice change, we should start there!
I've never felt a stronger urge to edit a Wikipedia page than with this one. It's screaming out to be revised from the "drop bears are a myth" line to a much better "drop bears are thought to be a myth" line.
Clearly the page was written by someone who, if they ever met the Easter Bunny, would shoot it, skin it and show the skin to kids.
It's like the wifi debates are a beaten-up Ford and the other threads are Mercedes.
That's not necessarily correct, you're not being logical here. For your argument to hold all users would have to be using identical systems, configured identically.
It may be related to specific set-up, which features are enabled and so on. In that case it may very well be Vista but different users see different effects. Since there are various users in the linked forum (many with equipment details) and patterns aren't clear, it may well be a Vista issue.
You may be correct and Vista is not to blame, but there's no proof either way yet. I maintain that the weight of the evidence tends towards Vista being at fault.
Look at the cool places where all the kids "hang out" on the Internet these days - iTunes, Facebook, YouTube, MySpace - and nowhere will you see Microsoft mentioned. When all said and done, Microsoft just isn't cool.
You're spot on there, and the final proof of this has been delivered by Microsoft themselves.
Look at the Zune (if you can). Look at the box, the device and then try to find a Microsoft logo.
You won't, because there isn't one. Microsoft know that their own branding would lessen the Zune's appeal, so they left it off completely. Advertisements for the Zune don't show a Microsoft logo or give any hint that it's one of their products. It's almost like they're ashamed to mention the device's roots.
Microsoft just isn't cool, and they know it.
This exposes an issue I have with Wikipedia - who edits last wins.
If these people had used IP anonymisers, they'd never have been picked up and the edits would have looked just like arguments back and forth until someone gave up. The problem is that a company can be far more tenacious than any one person, even paying marketing people to make sure Wikipedia has the 'right' information.
The answer I see from Wikipedia fans is "just edit the page when you see an error." That's great, but if someone's determined enough, they'll edit right afterwards, making the entire thing pointless.
The greatest strength of Wikipedia is the reason I believe it must ultimately fail.
Stating that something is obvious doesn't make it so. You need to back up your statement.
Even if people block advertising, it's not theft. It's wilfully not looking at something, but theft is a different concept. It's not piracy either. I don't believe there is a crime committed here, but I'd be interested in your view should you present one.
Finally, I would block television advertising in an instant if I could. I agree that this would undermine the entire funding model of television, and I'm keen to play a part in its downfall.
No, it's more that I wonder how anyone can get by in life so... vacant of interest in the world outside their own borders. I'd be amazed if anyone outside Australia knew much about our politics, or cared for that matter, but knowing who leads the country is reasonable.
I sometimes wonder about that. Every few months I check his profile, to find no new posts. Hmm...
Since Google is broken and no other Internet search engine can apparently be reached from your computer, I'll help you out. John Howard is the Australian Prime Minister. That's Australia, the huge island between the Indian and Pacific Oceans (west of California), about the size of the USA. It's not Austria, the small country next to Germany (in Europe, which is across the Atlantic Ocean, east of the USA). Normally I'd not bother with such detailed information, but it'll save you asking again, or having to work out how to search for information on the Internet.
Thanks for this comment. I'm not a networking clever-person and your bit about disabling the firewall concerns me somewhat. I checked my router and discovered that UPNP was on by default. It's off now, and I'm not seeing any less functionality.
It's an established fact that version 1 of anything Apple produce is pretty shoddy.
No it's not. Calling it an "established fact" doesn't make it so.
I'm looking forward to downloading their source code and compiling it. As is normal for open source, this'll be made available from their web site to anyone who wants it, and will have no penalties for personal use. Maybe it'll give me some ideas for development that I can use for similar, competing products.
Or have I missed a point here?
Speaking purely for myself here, I find that spelling errors leap off the page at me, seeming to require some extra effort to read. I don't think it's being anal for the sake of it, but correct spelling does matter.
It's fundamental - You can communicate without spelling correctly, but it makes it harder for people to understand you. A few errors don't matter so much, but over time this leads to many errors, making documents just that much harder to read. Sometimes an error, particularly a homophone such as two, to and too, can change the meaning of a sentence.
It's professional - I've seen resumes with spelling errors in the section about how great the person is at communicating. Instant bin.
It's a standard - Allowing spelling to drift will produce variations in the language, hindering communication between widely spaced groups. Think of all the accents you get in the UK. They all speak English, but some are harder to understand than others. I've seen English shows subtitled for US audiences. This adds a layer to simple, spoken communications between people speaking the same language. If this were to spread to written documents, then we will see a similar problem.
I'm not such a stickler for grammar, but my arguments hold for it as well. The one thing that really bugs me more than any other mis-use of the language is the wanton abuse of the apostraphe. I'm seeing it everywhere now, and it's like sand in my eyes every damned time. Is it so hard to get it right? It's not for plurals but for ownership and contractions. It's definitely not for every damned word ending with the letter "s." I just can't believe how people abuse this poor punctuation mark.
Clearly I need a cup of coffee and a lie down.
That concept looks to be irritating enough to shake Speare.
nice!
Whatever his quirk, he produces consistently solid results.
... Wait a moment - did I miss a change in point?
That's good in a baby, isn't it? Sloppy results would be hell to clean up.
(nice thread by the way, you made good points)
With the cut in piracy, surely we'll soon be seeing the benefits of lower-priced software! After all, one of the reasons for software prices being high is piracy, isn't it?
And every time the comic has a major, world-changing event, the world resets after a few minutes, the evil overlords respawn and things return to normal.
"Oh look! There's the evil monster xxxx! Kill it!"
(a short time passes)
"Oh look again! There's the evil monster xxxx again! Kill it again!"
(repeat until subscription ends)
You should look up the Marathon series, by Bungie. Although the graphics are dated now, the plots were light enough to allow fun gameplay, but deep enough to allow extended analysis ( http://marathon.bungie.org/Story/ )
I think they're good examples of getting it right in an industry that too often says "why bother with a reason to do stuff?"
If you're going to make a Windows app, make a damn Windows app. Don't port an OS X app over to Windows, because not only is the look and feel all wrong but the functionality of "standard" controls is different as well. I don't expecto to have to ctrl-click or shift-click on a button in Windows to make some action happen, but that's exactly how the iTunes software works.
Something Mac users like myself have complained about for a very long time is poorly ported applications. Apple's iTunes on Windows (and apparently Quicktime on Windows, but I've not tried it) is an example of this. It doesn't fit with the Windows 'look and feel' leaving it out of place.
Microsoft got it right with Office on OS X, building an interface and behaviors specific to OS X. Why can't Apple reciprocate and make proper Windows apps?
Have you ever used Office on the Mac? Recently they've gotten it right, but they've had many attempts at it over the past twenty years. Too often they've ported their own UI code to minimise Office code changes, leading to excruciatingly slow performance. Office 6 was hilariously bad, for example. The new versions are better than any previous version (except perhaps 5.1), but look at the performance on a Mac versus a similarly spec'd PC. The difference is amazing. Microsoft don't have a great claim to be better than Apple on this one.