i STILL bash the xbox's size. i own one; i can do that...
the ps3 being bigger than the xbox is relative to the layout of your entertainment center or whereever you choose to keep you console, since the first xbox was only able to lie flat and you couldnt stack things on it, it took up alot more floorspace than if it could stand up straight like my ps2, or the x360 and ps3.
according to sony and the studios themselves, it was more likely the developers fault for not working within specification and using different tricks to increase performance, etc.
in the games business, it has always been common practice to exploit hardware weaknesses/ strengths to acheive things that would under normal circumstances not be possible within the framework of the hardware. this goes back to 8-bit days; even earlier if you could count the PC. if your game relies on exploiting an undocumented function/instruction call, am i responsible as a manufacturer if i decide to revise my hardware and remove the function/instruction set that i never told you about, and recommended that you not use in the first place?
my ps2 has been working great. the only time i see disc error messages and the like, ironically enough, is when i fire up my xbox. which i bought much later, after my ps2.
everyone does not share the same experiences when it comes to consumer electronics. thanks for sharing though, everyone...
if they have any business sense [which is debatable...] they would include the original hardware. since they have a harddrive now, make additional emulator profiles for "trouble" games so that they could run as well.
he sounds like he doesnt currently own a console. if you get a next generation system and you didnt have the previous version, you are free to buy lots of great older titles for cheap, in addition to the new releases.
if you had an xbox last gen, maybe he feels like he missed out on a lot of sony exclusives. no one except the hardcore gamers truly have allegiances to any particular console. most users buy each console based on its own merit each generation.
yeah, luckily most of the nintendo consoles, and the older consoles are easier to emulate than say the later stuff. the NES, master system, TG-16, SNES, and genesis games should work very well. the later consoles will be a pain. if you see any working games for the system, it will only be a very select few. that is, if they get dreamcast, gamecube and n64 emulation working through software.
dont be surprised to find that the ps3 supports playing older TG-16, and sega games either. i can already see it...
the playstations have never been fully 100% backwards compatible. more like 98% due to certain unsupported programming tricks used when developing certain games.
still its alot better to have 98% backwards compatibility than 10-15% like the x360.
all in all, if sony has half a brain [chances are they dont], it would be trivial to include the original hardware, and then add additional software profiles [a la xbox360] to assist with those games that are not fully compliant. from the leaked rumor, sony eventually plans to remove the ps2 hardware in later console revisions.
personally, im looking forward to halo3 and gears of war, but i was also excited about perfect dark zero too. im going to reserve judgement on most games until they are actually released. MS hype is just as dangerous as sony hype IMHO.
as for guitar hero, i think red octane only publishes on sony platforms. While im not a fan of GH myself, this is an example of why i still like my ps2 over my xbox to this day; some genres or alternative [pun intended] games would just never see the light if it were up to MS or nintendo. or at least if it were up to nintendo, the tracks would have only been old nintendo theme music. =)
you havent bought a ps2 game in 2 years,/and/ you sold your ps2... so how were you "playing" god of war, which you dissed in a previous post?
god of war is a phenomenal game. granted, it "may have" turned out better graphically on the xbox, but it still stands pretty tall against alot of xbox games' graphics.
how is backwards compatibility broken? its been reported that they will include the entirety of the ps2 chipset into the ps3 to ensure proper backwards compatibility....and what hardware hassles will people have to deal with to release new games? explain that one... if you stop reading all of the FUD thats mentioned almost on a daily basis across the internet and actually take a look at the ps3 release calendar, you'll realize that the cell programming difficulty means nothing to the development houses, since the ps3 STILL has more games being released for it than the wii or the xbox 360 [which has already been available for a year now].
no disrespect, but the DS redesign isnt about the fans. its a pr move for nintendo to sell more units and simpify design/ production costs.
nintendo is trying to change their image and the original DS falls in line with the old nintendo design philosophy. the new design philosophy is to very much be like the apple of consoles [minus the price]. they are trying to shed their kiddie image; make a more sleek device. no other console has come out with a redesign after one year, why is nintendo doing so now? its a smart move, but it certainly isnt service to the fans.
in general, sony products are overall more expensive than other brands. look at the bravia line of HDTVs, or the VAIO line of computers. sony in general sells their products at a premuim.
the sony name equates to quality in the minds of the average consumer. whether that is true of the product or not, that is still the case in the mindshare of j. q. public. people trust the sony name when it comes to consumer electronics; rootkit or not.
for the first time ever, sony game consoles are going to try to bank on that same trust. the psp is generally speaking seen as a higher quality handheld. [hence the DS redesign] the ps3 is supposed to end up being a higher quality home console. [hence the marketing/pricing scheme] they are both more expensive than their competitors. the hardware is there and to alot of consumers thats what matters, but in the video game world software is king.
a couple of months or so after launch, the console and its price start to matter less and less, its games start to mean alot more in the eyes of consumers. since thats where the real money is made, thats where the battle will be won.
personally, nintendo makes some very nice products and great games. their failure to win the console race in the last several years is a result of a lack diversity and a sad release schedule. great games trickle out of the house of N maybe once or twice a year. the wii seems great, but if they dont secure some solid third party exclusives to tide gamers over between the mario-link-samus-smashbrothers-pokemon roundrobin release schedule, i predict a repeat of the gamecube.
thats what killed the neo-geo in my mind. it was WAY too expensive long term. at least with the x360 and the ps3, you dont have to worry about price as much after you get past the initial investment in the console.
i never had to replace my ps2. its been through the wringer, but plays games and dvds fine.
where are these 275 other people you claim bought multiple ps2s? there are people out there i am sure that have. however if you are going by internet survey, you obviously are counting dozens of microsoft "plants" as well. there are people that claim to have bought 5-8 ps2s. WTF?!?!? considering the ps2 isnt that old, surely the warranties would overlap.
personally my xbox has itermittent issues with games. new and old games... cant play half of the dvds i own... etc. i know that all xboxs are not like mine. i wont call all xboxs shoddy, just because many of the people i know have had a few problems. overall, every single issue the ps2 has had, the xbox suffered from just the same. this is a console that had a year to work out the kinks and learn from its competitor.
fact is, all consumer electronics have issues... thats why they come with warranties; and more importantly, thats why warranties expire.
not 100%. the only games the guaranteed would be playable are games that abided by sonys requirement sheet. so a handful of games that resorted to obscure programming tricks not officially supported by sony may have more glitches than normal, or may not play at all. backwards compatibility is going to be the same as it was for the ps1 on the ps2 basically. [that is what i heard in a interview w. sony, so take it with a grain of salt...]
his point was just that starfox had 3d graphics by the use of specialized chips in the cartridge. the ps1 was the first console dedicated to 3d graphics processing.
the saturn came out first, but sega admittedly added 3d processing ability to the saturn in response to the ps1's just announced tech specs.
yes, but where can you find a comparable pc with a cell chip inside? and for under $600?
im sure the linux community is itching to see what the cell can do. so far the ps3 seems pretty pc-like as is. keyboard and mouse support, usb peripherals, bluetooth, connects to a monitor, etc etc etc...
wait a sec... was the 1.6 xbox comment a swipe at the xbox 360? LMAO!!!!
when has the lack of direct linux support held the homebrew community back from developing a version of linux that runs on it?
the fact that they claim linux runs natively on it could be a ruse i admit, but who cares? the people that will mind the most will/still/ have no problems getting linux on the box within the first 5-6 months. besides, a half promise is better than to see linux be ignored completely.
-tepples, havent argued with you in a while... where have you been? i almost thought you'd stopped following me around.
he wasnt talking about creating 3d graphics. he was talking about being the first "console"/dedicated/ to pushing 3d graphics.
the saturn was released earlier, but they [sega] admitted to throwing in the 3d capabilities last minute in response to sony announcing their ps1 graphical specifications. the jaguar, sega cd, 32x and 3do were also capable of light 3D, but those were all machines for sprite pushing; they were not dedicated to 3d processing although they had the ability to.
the sega cd showcased 3d graphics before starfox was shipped. i know that starfox may have been most users first exposure to 3d console gaming, since there are undoubtedly less former sega cd owners here.
3d graphics have been around for a long time; definitely longer than starfox has been out. IIRC virtua racer came out a year before that.
look at it this way. the ps2 is still alive and kicking. solid software is still being released. the xbox has been abandoned. the ps2 still has first party devlopment for it. its actually viable to say that it may live to see that lifetime. the ps1 did before it was finally killed off.
in a perfect world, sony would finally open up development [fully] and let all the amateur coders have a go at developing for their now defunct system.
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i STILL bash the xbox's size. i own one; i can do that...
the ps3 being bigger than the xbox is relative to the layout of your entertainment center or whereever you choose to keep you console, since the first xbox was only able to lie flat and you couldnt stack things on it, it took up alot more floorspace than if it could stand up straight like my ps2, or the x360 and ps3.
thats the point to liveanywhere? didnt sony do that with ffxi? i dont see the big deal...
whats more ridiculous, is that two people modded the AC up...
surely yet another sign that the xbox PR department has effectively infiltrated forums all over the net spreading FUD.
according to sony and the studios themselves, it was more likely the developers fault for not working within specification and using different tricks to increase performance, etc.
in the games business, it has always been common practice to exploit hardware weaknesses/ strengths to acheive things that would under normal circumstances not be possible within the framework of the hardware. this goes back to 8-bit days; even earlier if you could count the PC. if your game relies on exploiting an undocumented function/instruction call, am i responsible as a manufacturer if i decide to revise my hardware and remove the function/instruction set that i never told you about, and recommended that you not use in the first place?
my ps2 has been working great. the only time i see disc error messages and the like, ironically enough, is when i fire up my xbox. which i bought much later, after my ps2.
everyone does not share the same experiences when it comes to consumer electronics. thanks for sharing though, everyone...
if they have any business sense [which is debatable...] they would include the original hardware. since they have a harddrive now, make additional emulator profiles for "trouble" games so that they could run as well.
he sounds like he doesnt currently own a console. if you get a next generation system and you didnt have the previous version, you are free to buy lots of great older titles for cheap, in addition to the new releases.
if you had an xbox last gen, maybe he feels like he missed out on a lot of sony exclusives. no one except the hardcore gamers truly have allegiances to any particular console. most users buy each console based on its own merit each generation.
yeah, luckily most of the nintendo consoles, and the older consoles are easier to emulate than say the later stuff. the NES, master system, TG-16, SNES, and genesis games should work very well. the later consoles will be a pain. if you see any working games for the system, it will only be a very select few. that is, if they get dreamcast, gamecube and n64 emulation working through software.
dont be surprised to find that the ps3 supports playing older TG-16, and sega games either. i can already see it...
the playstations have never been fully 100% backwards compatible. more like 98% due to certain unsupported programming tricks used when developing certain games.
still its alot better to have 98% backwards compatibility than 10-15% like the x360.
all in all, if sony has half a brain [chances are they dont], it would be trivial to include the original hardware, and then add additional software profiles [a la xbox360] to assist with those games that are not fully compliant. from the leaked rumor, sony eventually plans to remove the ps2 hardware in later console revisions.
personally, im looking forward to halo3 and gears of war, but i was also excited about perfect dark zero too. im going to reserve judgement on most games until they are actually released. MS hype is just as dangerous as sony hype IMHO.
as for guitar hero, i think red octane only publishes on sony platforms. While im not a fan of GH myself, this is an example of why i still like my ps2 over my xbox to this day; some genres or alternative [pun intended] games would just never see the light if it were up to MS or nintendo. or at least if it were up to nintendo, the tracks would have only been old nintendo theme music. =)
you havent bought a ps2 game in 2 years, /and/ you sold your ps2... so how were you "playing" god of war, which you dissed in a previous post?
god of war is a phenomenal game. granted, it "may have" turned out better graphically on the xbox, but it still stands pretty tall against alot of xbox games' graphics.
dreamcast?
how is backwards compatibility broken? its been reported that they will include the entirety of the ps2 chipset into the ps3 to ensure proper backwards compatibility. ...and what hardware hassles will people have to deal with to release new games? explain that one... if you stop reading all of the FUD thats mentioned almost on a daily basis across the internet and actually take a look at the ps3 release calendar, you'll realize that the cell programming difficulty means nothing to the development houses, since the ps3 STILL has more games being released for it than the wii or the xbox 360 [which has already been available for a year now].
no disrespect, but the DS redesign isnt about the fans. its a pr move for nintendo to sell more units and simpify design/ production costs.
nintendo is trying to change their image and the original DS falls in line with the old nintendo design philosophy. the new design philosophy is to very much be like the apple of consoles [minus the price]. they are trying to shed their kiddie image; make a more sleek device. no other console has come out with a redesign after one year, why is nintendo doing so now? its a smart move, but it certainly isnt service to the fans.
in general, sony products are overall more expensive than other brands. look at the bravia line of HDTVs, or the VAIO line of computers. sony in general sells their products at a premuim.
the sony name equates to quality in the minds of the average consumer. whether that is true of the product or not, that is still the case in the mindshare of j. q. public. people trust the sony name when it comes to consumer electronics; rootkit or not.
for the first time ever, sony game consoles are going to try to bank on that same trust. the psp is generally speaking seen as a higher quality handheld. [hence the DS redesign] the ps3 is supposed to end up being a higher quality home console. [hence the marketing/pricing scheme] they are both more expensive than their competitors. the hardware is there and to alot of consumers thats what matters, but in the video game world software is king.
a couple of months or so after launch, the console and its price start to matter less and less, its games start to mean alot more in the eyes of consumers. since thats where the real money is made, thats where the battle will be won.
personally, nintendo makes some very nice products and great games. their failure to win the console race in the last several years is a result of a lack diversity and a sad release schedule. great games trickle out of the house of N maybe once or twice a year. the wii seems great, but if they dont secure some solid third party exclusives to tide gamers over between the mario-link-samus-smashbrothers-pokemon roundrobin release schedule, i predict a repeat of the gamecube.
thats what killed the neo-geo in my mind. it was WAY too expensive long term. at least with the x360 and the ps3, you dont have to worry about price as much after you get past the initial investment in the console.
i never had to replace my ps2. its been through the wringer, but plays games and dvds fine.
where are these 275 other people you claim bought multiple ps2s? there are people out there i am sure that have. however if you are going by internet survey, you obviously are counting dozens of microsoft "plants" as well. there are people that claim to have bought 5-8 ps2s. WTF?!?!? considering the ps2 isnt that old, surely the warranties would overlap.
personally my xbox has itermittent issues with games. new and old games... cant play half of the dvds i own... etc. i know that all xboxs are not like mine. i wont call all xboxs shoddy, just because many of the people i know have had a few problems. overall, every single issue the ps2 has had, the xbox suffered from just the same. this is a console that had a year to work out the kinks and learn from its competitor.
fact is, all consumer electronics have issues... thats why they come with warranties; and more importantly, thats why warranties expire.
not 100%. the only games the guaranteed would be playable are games that abided by sonys requirement sheet. so a handful of games that resorted to obscure programming tricks not officially supported by sony may have more glitches than normal, or may not play at all. backwards compatibility is going to be the same as it was for the ps1 on the ps2 basically. [that is what i heard in a interview w. sony, so take it with a grain of salt...]
his point was just that starfox had 3d graphics by the use of specialized chips in the cartridge. the ps1 was the first console dedicated to 3d graphics processing.
the saturn came out first, but sega admittedly added 3d processing ability to the saturn in response to the ps1's just announced tech specs.
discontinued quickly? link please...
yes, but where can you find a comparable pc with a cell chip inside? and for under $600?
im sure the linux community is itching to see what the cell can do. so far the ps3 seems pretty pc-like as is. keyboard and mouse support, usb peripherals, bluetooth, connects to a monitor, etc etc etc...
wait a sec... was the 1.6 xbox comment a swipe at the xbox 360? LMAO!!!!
when has the lack of direct linux support held the homebrew community back from developing a version of linux that runs on it?
/still/ have no problems getting linux on the box within the first 5-6 months. besides, a half promise is better than to see linux be ignored completely.
the fact that they claim linux runs natively on it could be a ruse i admit, but who cares? the people that will mind the most will
-tepples, havent argued with you in a while... where have you been? i almost thought you'd stopped following me around.
he wasnt talking about creating 3d graphics. he was talking about being the first "console" /dedicated/ to pushing 3d graphics.
the saturn was released earlier, but they [sega] admitted to throwing in the 3d capabilities last minute in response to sony announcing their ps1 graphical specifications. the jaguar, sega cd, 32x and 3do were also capable of light 3D, but those were all machines for sprite pushing; they were not dedicated to 3d processing although they had the ability to.
the sega cd showcased 3d graphics before starfox was shipped. i know that starfox may have been most users first exposure to 3d console gaming, since there are undoubtedly less former sega cd owners here.
3d graphics have been around for a long time; definitely longer than starfox has been out. IIRC virtua racer came out a year before that.
the ps3 runs linux natively, so basically youre backing up the statement?
look at it this way. the ps2 is still alive and kicking. solid software is still being released. the xbox has been abandoned. the ps2 still has first party devlopment for it. its actually viable to say that it may live to see that lifetime. the ps1 did before it was finally killed off.
in a perfect world, sony would finally open up development [fully] and let all the amateur coders have a go at developing for their now defunct system.