Actually, DesktopBSD started somewhat earlier. I've tried both & both have their good and bad points. PC-BSD is currently using the FreeBSD 6.0 kernel, so they are "ahead" there, if that counts, DtBSD is now using FreeBSD kernel 5.5--however, it has support for AMD-64 and EMT-64 CPU's, which seems to be quite a way off for PC-BSD.
The most obvious difference to me is in the installation of added software beyond their base systems. Dt-BSD uses a graphic frontend to the ports. I've had mixed results with it. PC-BSD uses an installation system more reminiscent of --dare I say it? Yes-- Windows. Download and double-click something called a pbi, which kicks off the install routine. The app and all its dependencies are installed in a separate directory, something made more practical by the huge size of harddrives these days. I've had one or two pbis fail. However, there are not that many pbi's compared to what's available through FreeBSD's ports. In theory, pkg_add and ports routines at the CLI should work for either DtBSD or PC-BSD. Not always for me, but it could be my hardware-or me.
Both seem to be small operations with one main developer with some support from interested FreeBSD users some of whose posts on the forums suggest they are either very advanced users, or coders, or both.
All things considered, the accomplishments of both projects are fairly impressive to me. What they are aiming at is to make the installation of a FreeBSD desktop easy, one suitable for use by the casual users, one that installs as easy as Linux, one that is as easy to use as Windows. The only failed install I had with either was the first RC of DtBSD and the first release of the 6.0 kernel under PC-BSD. In every case the base install "just works" and I could install either one my mom's computer in 20 or 30 mins & teach her to use them in an hour, or so (she's 75).
Most intriguing post I've read yet. It's hard to reconcile that with the shakeups.
The bottom line for me is: I don't care when Vista or Office ship. Next week, next year, next decade; next century. I've been tying real hard since the delay announcements to give a crap, but it's not working for me. Linux and FreeBSD have made MS and its products irrelevant to me at home. While (sort of) on the subject, I'd like to thank the MS developers of XP and XP SP 1 for making me desperate enough to try something completely different: Thanks!
At work I use what I'm told to use, but interestingly enough I was allowed to put Linux on my old box for a statistical app I wanted to use, when I was given a new box. My employer does not trust MS.
I was in the process of composing a caustic reply till I noticed the;) at the end of your post. Whew! Just missed making a bigger-than-usual ass out of myself.
while I'm sure there is a way to make rice in the microwave, I've never explored it
Yes, there is. Use the "about" same water rice proportion as to steam it; cover with paper towel etc. That's for long-grain rice; medium grain and brown rice require more water & cooking time; a few minutes pre-cook soaking wouldn't hurt, either. Experiment a little. Works for pasta, too.
convuluted, one sided and decided by those who scream the loudest and push the most money to the right people?
Which is why MS ended up with a slap on the wrist with a limp noodle from the DOJ, after being found guilty of anti-trust violations here in the U.S. The poor things!
My bosses have been buying computers like they were going to stop being made for the last year. (I did too--to avoid being locked in to VISTA-TPM slavery). The Big Boss hasn't trusted MS in years. In fact, after my new box was set up and my files transferred I was allowed to install Linux on the old box! Who really believes that "Trusted Computing" is really for the benefit of users users or even owners, instead of being for MS, it's ilk and and whichever of their business partners they "lease" access to? VISTA-TPM "owners" will just be suckers whose computers will be controlled by distant third parties. Believe what you want to believe, though.
I think that telecoms are going to find that in dropping common carrier status they are going to lose a lot more than they gain; naming them in kiddy porn suits is going to be the next Big Thing.
I could be wrong, but as I undestand it, they desire to keep common carrier status while acting quite the opposite. What do you suppose 535 Congress-creatures cost? Not much compared to the profits they expect to be able to suck out of the 'net.
On the other hand, they may be somewhat delusional as to the real value of what they purport to be intending to provide. Fast access to the net is not a necessity for home users. In truth, neither a land phone line nor a cable connection with or without broadband is a real necessity. When my last marriage fell apart, I was on a shoestring for about 18 months. To be sure I had power, water and food, I dumped the cable. Had to dump the phone in favor of a cell with pay as you go cards. Tried to save the phone but Sprint wouldn't negotiate a payment plan so I could retire the whopping long-distance charge my ex had quietly run up. I found that I did not really miss the tube and that the cell was more reliable and cheaper. I'll always be grateful to Sprint's "customer service" reps for being such intransigent, "all or nothing" assholes.
Just went back & reread TFA. It says nothing about feathers for this beastie. The "colored" part comes from the fact that the rock stratum/strata it was found in was brightly colored. In short, the submitter seems to have mis-summarized or misread TFA or intended to post another one, perhaps about Bette Middler or Cher.
That parasites like Verizon & the other telcos who have been feeding at the public trough in the form of tax breaks, write-offs, and siezing private property for "rights of way" for decades have the nerve to call ANYONE else's behavior looking for a free lunch.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but I just went back & re-read the interview. Quinn seemed cool, calm and collected. Not outraged or vengeful. Since there's no "outrage" that I could see, there was none to be feigned. I have seen a lot of feigned outrage in AC posts on this topic from MS shills, however. Basically, they seem to be saying that there is only choice, if MS is the only choice. Bye, I think I'm gonna go feign interest in MS-VISTA and Office 12. Please don't get outraged.
Looks like the number of Windows clients is vastly greater than the others. Guess that means that most "pirates" are Windows-users.
Hey RIAA, MPAA, there's a simple solution to your "piracy" problem: Have your pet Congress-creatures outlaw Windows!
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For corporation-authored works, the term is 120 years from the date of their creation, regardless of whether the corporation "dies" or not.
Only 120 yers for corporate copyright? The poor things, how dreadfully unfair! They should divert a river of cash and and army of crack-whores to Washinton D.C. to "fix" that. Where's Abramof when he'd needed? Singing or somthing?
Interesting post. Had I mod points, I'd mod you up.I think the US founding fathers agreed about democracy. In a pure democracy 51% (actually 50% +1) can decree the execution of the other 49%. During the Peloponnesian War the citizens of Athens democratically voted to put all the men on one island to death & enslave the rest. Happily, it reversed itself in time to stop the mass murder. Democracy in action.
Just found on Google News here and elsewhere. Symantec has been using a rootkit with SystemWorks. Maybe Symantec is supposed to be developing an easier way to rootkit *nix?
You guys seem to be devoid of a sense of humor. You like to dish it out, but you can't take it. Are you so bitter because you are slaves? Inquiring minds want to know.
Not really, I can choose neither and forgo the alledged "entertainment" they are peddling. To embrace evil is to legitimize it. "Who do you want to be opressed and tyrranized by, jack-booted, totalitarian fascists or jack-booted, totaltarian communists?" I choose neither. What's there to discuss?
Next week. While you are sitting there waiting to die, why not download & burn a live cd like Knoppix, Mepis, Ubuntu, etc. You can float above the wreck and wrack on one of them a while & still access files on the HD. Lots of choices at here. Whatever floats your boat... Good luck!
Stuff like this is why I just put Linux on my squeaky-new box.
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More like asking bulls what they think of slaughterhouses.
Actually, DesktopBSD started somewhat earlier. I've tried both & both have their good and bad points. PC-BSD is currently using the FreeBSD 6.0 kernel, so they are "ahead" there, if that counts, DtBSD is now using FreeBSD kernel 5.5--however, it has support for AMD-64 and EMT-64 CPU's, which seems to be quite a way off for PC-BSD.
The most obvious difference to me is in the installation of added software beyond their base systems. Dt-BSD uses a graphic frontend to the ports. I've had mixed results with it. PC-BSD uses an installation system more reminiscent of --dare I say it? Yes-- Windows. Download and double-click something called a pbi, which kicks off the install routine. The app and all its dependencies are installed in a separate directory, something made more practical by the huge size of harddrives these days. I've had one or two pbis fail. However, there are not that many pbi's compared to what's available through FreeBSD's ports. In theory, pkg_add and ports routines at the CLI should work for either DtBSD or PC-BSD. Not always for me, but it could be my hardware-or me.
Both seem to be small operations with one main developer with some support from interested FreeBSD users some of whose posts on the forums suggest they are either very advanced users, or coders, or both.
All things considered, the accomplishments of both projects are fairly impressive to me. What they are aiming at is to make the installation of a FreeBSD desktop easy, one suitable for use by the casual users, one that installs as easy as Linux, one that is as easy to use as Windows. The only failed install I had with either was the first RC of DtBSD and the first release of the 6.0 kernel under PC-BSD. In every case the base install "just works" and I could install either one my mom's computer in 20 or 30 mins & teach her to use them in an hour, or so (she's 75).
Most intriguing post I've read yet. It's hard to reconcile that with the shakeups.
The bottom line for me is: I don't care when Vista or Office ship. Next week, next year, next decade; next century. I've been tying real hard since the delay announcements to give a crap, but it's not working for me. Linux and FreeBSD have made MS and its products irrelevant to me at home. While (sort of) on the subject, I'd like to thank the MS developers of XP and XP SP 1 for making me desperate enough to try something completely different: Thanks!
At work I use what I'm told to use, but interestingly enough I was allowed to put Linux on my old box for a statistical app I wanted to use, when I was given a new box. My employer does not trust MS.
I was in the process of composing a caustic reply till I noticed the ;) at the end of your post. Whew! Just missed making a bigger-than-usual ass out of myself.
lots of links to other unix stuff.
Really. CNET & its ilk have been hyping Longhorn/Vista for years now & more recently Orofice ... uh Office-12.
My bosses have been buying computers like they were going to stop being made for the last year. (I did too--to avoid being locked in to VISTA-TPM slavery). The Big Boss hasn't trusted MS in years. In fact, after my new box was set up and my files transferred I was allowed to install Linux on the old box! Who really believes that "Trusted Computing" is really for the benefit of users users or even owners, instead of being for MS, it's ilk and and whichever of their business partners they "lease" access to? VISTA-TPM "owners" will just be suckers whose computers will be controlled by distant third parties. Believe what you want to believe, though.
On the other hand, they may be somewhat delusional as to the real value of what they purport to be intending to provide. Fast access to the net is not a necessity for home users. In truth, neither a land phone line nor a cable connection with or without broadband is a real necessity. When my last marriage fell apart, I was on a shoestring for about 18 months. To be sure I had power, water and food, I dumped the cable. Had to dump the phone in favor of a cell with pay as you go cards. Tried to save the phone but Sprint wouldn't negotiate a payment plan so I could retire the whopping long-distance charge my ex had quietly run up. I found that I did not really miss the tube and that the cell was more reliable and cheaper. I'll always be grateful to Sprint's "customer service" reps for being such intransigent, "all or nothing" assholes.
The posted thread do have interesting content, including speculations about feathers & other topics.
Just went back & reread TFA. It says nothing about feathers for this beastie. The "colored" part comes from the fact that the rock stratum/strata it was found in was brightly colored. In short, the submitter seems to have mis-summarized or misread TFA or intended to post another one, perhaps about Bette Middler or Cher.
That parasites like Verizon & the other telcos who have been feeding at the public trough in the form of tax breaks, write-offs, and siezing private property for "rights of way" for decades have the nerve to call ANYONE else's behavior looking for a free lunch.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but I just went back & re-read the interview. Quinn seemed cool, calm and collected. Not outraged or vengeful. Since there's no "outrage" that I could see, there was none to be feigned. I have seen a lot of feigned outrage in AC posts on this topic from MS shills, however. Basically, they seem to be saying that there is only choice, if MS is the only choice. Bye, I think I'm gonna go feign interest in MS-VISTA and Office 12. Please don't get outraged.
I've never bothered with anything but Linux distros before. Have bookmarked that page, although I doubt I'll remember it.
Looks like the number of Windows clients is vastly greater than the others. Guess that means that most "pirates" are Windows-users.
Hey RIAA, MPAA, there's a simple solution to your "piracy" problem: Have your pet Congress-creatures outlaw Windows!
Interesting post. Had I mod points, I'd mod you up.I think the US founding fathers agreed about democracy. In a pure democracy 51% (actually 50% +1) can decree the execution of the other 49%. During the Peloponnesian War the citizens of Athens democratically voted to put all the men on one island to death & enslave the rest. Happily, it reversed itself in time to stop the mass murder. Democracy in action.
Just found on Google News here and elsewhere. Symantec has been using a rootkit with SystemWorks. Maybe Symantec is supposed to be developing an easier way to rootkit *nix?
You are right about the users. However, MS encouraged mindless clicking for years.
You guys seem to be devoid of a sense of humor. You like to dish it out, but you can't take it. Are you so bitter because you are slaves? Inquiring minds want to know.
Not really, I can choose neither and forgo the alledged "entertainment" they are peddling. To embrace evil is to legitimize it. "Who do you want to be opressed and tyrranized by, jack-booted, totalitarian fascists or jack-booted, totaltarian communists?" I choose neither. What's there to discuss?
According the article. Therefore, even if they don't make some individual player, they will get royalties. No thanks. Fork 'em ... forever.
Next week. While you are sitting there waiting to die, why not download & burn a live cd like Knoppix, Mepis, Ubuntu, etc. You can float above the wreck and wrack on one of them a while & still access files on the HD. Lots of choices at here. Whatever floats your boat... Good luck!
Stuff like this is why I just put Linux on my squeaky-new box.