Mepis or Ubuntu for a hd-install. The Mepis standrd disk doubles as a Live-cd. Puppy-linux is a very light live cd: super-fast with a nice app-selection.
The Live CD is also an install CD. It includes QT Part-ed, which works as well for me as Partition Magic. The installer script has an option to resize with QT Part-ed as well.
he is dead right. Most people don't know what an O/S is and 95% of the users I know, including some with >15yrs using confusers, couldn't install an O/S if their life depended on it.
"Install Windows [or BSD or linux] or die!"
"Please give me time to write my will?"
When I mention that I use linux or some other unix variant, most think its a word processor (or whatever) or a computer (hardware) name. About the only people I know who know what OS X is are Mac users.
It seems to me that at least part of what has held the Mac back is price at least until the Mac-Mini. Lots of folks see a computer as a fancy toaster & just want the cheapest thing that works. Much cheaper than the Mac-Mini seems unlikely to be reliable for long.
After reading the above posts, there's no obvious gain in Apple switching to Intel-only x86.
More interesting and more profitable for Apple would be to port OS X to x86. Actually, I've seen rumours over the last year that Apple keeps an up to date image of OS X that will run on x86--sort of as a stick to threaten IBM with.
How much does it cost to burn a CD or DVD image? a few cents? a few bucks? How much could they sell OS X Tiger ported to x86 for? There's a lot of fed up Windows users out there that would probably be willing to make the jump.
But I'm pretty sure he's either a twerp or a twit.... Maybe both? There's some doubt as to whether he could 1) boot a live CD or 2) pour [redacted] out of a boot with the directions printed on the heel.
Who give's a rat's ass what Pretenderle says he thinks?
Reminds me of one of Mark Twain's Letters from the Earth: "It is because they do not think at all; they only think they think. Whereas they can't think; not two human beings in ten thousand have anything to think with."
"Rantin Rob" is a perfect example of someone with nothing to think with.
The MPAA are anti-everything which is sharable. One suspects that if their suck-buddy Microsoft decided to use Bittorrent and got Orrin Hatch et al. to pass a law allowing MS to steal it, the MPAA would get told to shut up by Bill.
Who stands to gain by outlawing all sharing of information aside from MPAA & RIAA? What's next? Books? Books can be shared. Next venue for MS and the BSA: Book-Burning!?
When there's been no anti-trust enforcement!? Just a slap on the wrist,and a "Naughty boys" scolding. So what if there's lawyers involved, when they are all Microsoft lawyers?
Your point "b" is bullcrap and whiney bullcrap at that. No one above has complained that "Microsoft doesn't destroy desktop security segment with free AV..."
Doesn't matter if its free or not, what's to keep them from giving their own AV special treatment & inside info, and thereby screw the non-MS AV players like they did to WordPerfect & Lotus 1-2-3 developers when preparing Office to nuke the competition back in the days leading to Win95? See, the complaint here. Nothing. And what would the DOJ do if they caught them at it? Nothing.
Since there's no downside to destroying the competition, they may as well make a few extra bucks at it. Expect MS AV, AS and firewall to be mandatory with Foghorn. Expect to pay through the nose--or whatever orifice it amuses MS to extract it from--and on a regular basis, sucker.
I have a solution for the RIAA and MPAA that will completely solve their problem with "digital piracy." It is completely within their power, won't require courts or laws. But they won't like it.
Quit producing content in digital formats. Simple. Then stuff like CDs and DVDs can be put to work on something useful, like storage and transfer of worthwhile data instead of alleged "entertainment" from Hollywood & recording studios.
You are dead right on the Debian-installer. Actually I moved from Mepis to Debian but only thanks to the new installer. As for Ubuntu, I'm inclined to suspect that they "fixed" something as while it installed, it wouldn't boot-although their "live" CD does.
The only drawback to debian-installer is that broadband is almost a must.
How about because lying seems to be part of MS culture and has been for as long as I can remember. Anyone who asks known liars a question deserves what they get. If I wanted made-up answers to my questions, I'd make up my own.
What are you talking about? A from-scratch install by the user? If so, Windows installs are way more painful and time consuming than Linux or even FreeBSD. Like someone else pointed out Mandrake, Mepis and Ubuntu install complete usable systems-or have for me.
This is being written from a Debian-Sarge installation done with the net-install disk. All I had to do afterward was enable sound (one click) install CUPS (via synaptic, 2 or 3 clicks) and install the printer (3 or 4 clicks). No anti-user EULAs to click.
An already set-up box would require less.
What do you want an O/S to do, anyway, to set up your e-mail account for you? Even Windows makes you do that.
If you have a version of Mepis with Synaptic you may wish to try that as it does a good job of resolving dependencies etc. Hmmh... you'll want to update the source too, if not already doene--which can also be done with apt-get.. I dis apt-get update folloed by apt-get dist-upgrade to my Mepis 2005.rc3 install Saturday & have had no probleems yet. Not familiar with zope... Good luck!
What kind of psycho runs 12 applications and plays Quake 3 at the same time? reminds me of the marketing-droid who first tried to sell me on XP: "I had 100 instances of media player running at the same time, no problem" Swell. I seldom listen to 100 songs or watch 100 videos at the same time. Maybe I'm just a retard. I dunno.
FreeBSD & debian both use remote installs as a variant. Hmmh...Shouldn't MS turn itself in for innovation-piracy? If Aunt Minnie & Joe Sixpack are going to be expected to do a net install, it could be entertaining. I tried FreeBSD equivalent & crashed, although I had sucessfull installs with CDs. Conversely, I never got a successfull Debian install with CDs, but the net-install was a breeze. On the other hand, I just don't give a frack about where MS's product line is going anymore. However, freedom is what it's all about. If someone wants to use Foghorn that's their business; and, if someone wants to smoke crack, that's their business, too.
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bash is the typical shell installed. the distros i've used also have at least one editor & usually two installed already.
Mepis or Ubuntu for a hd-install. The Mepis standrd disk doubles as a Live-cd. Puppy-linux is a very light live cd: super-fast with a nice app-selection.
should stick to windows.
They're just against slavery. That's all.
Hope he gets modded up.
The Live CD is also an install CD. It includes QT Part-ed, which works as well for me as Partition Magic. The installer script has an option to resize with QT Part-ed as well.
he is dead right. Most people don't know what an O/S is and 95% of the users I know, including some with >15yrs using confusers, couldn't install an O/S if their life depended on it.
"Install Windows [or BSD or linux] or die!"
"Please give me time to write my will?"
When I mention that I use linux or some other unix variant, most think its a word processor (or whatever) or a computer (hardware) name. About the only people I know who know what OS X is are Mac users.
It seems to me that at least part of what has held the Mac back is price at least until the Mac-Mini. Lots of folks see a computer as a fancy toaster & just want the cheapest thing that works. Much cheaper than the Mac-Mini seems unlikely to be reliable for long.
After reading the above posts, there's no obvious gain in Apple switching to Intel-only x86.
More interesting and more profitable for Apple would be to port OS X to x86. Actually, I've seen rumours over the last year that Apple keeps an up to date image of OS X that will run on x86--sort of as a stick to threaten IBM with.
How much does it cost to burn a CD or DVD image? a few cents? a few bucks? How much could they sell OS X Tiger ported to x86 for? There's a lot of fed up Windows users out there that would probably be willing to make the jump.
But I'm pretty sure he's either a twerp or a twit. ... Maybe both? There's some doubt as to whether he could 1) boot a live CD or 2) pour [redacted] out of a boot with the directions printed on the heel.
Who give's a rat's ass what Pretenderle says he thinks?
Reminds me of one of Mark Twain's Letters from the Earth: "It is because they do not think at all; they only think they think. Whereas they can't think; not two human beings in ten thousand have anything to think with."
"Rantin Rob" is a perfect example of someone with nothing to think with.
KwKSilver, refugee from the M$ Gulag Porkipelago.
In the immortal words of Albert the Alligaator, "Fazz-Bazz."
Fully configured XP install 2+ hrs. Fully configured Mepis, Mandrake or Ubuntu install: 20-30mins.
I've installed and configured Debian in less time than XP. FreeBSD, for that matter. Windows is a freaking nightmare.
Pretty good. That was my 1st thought,too. However, the very stong dramatic link between 5 and 6 suggest to me that 4, 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 may be best.
The MPAA are anti-everything which is sharable. One suspects that if their suck-buddy Microsoft decided to use Bittorrent and got Orrin Hatch et al. to pass a law allowing MS to steal it, the MPAA would get told to shut up by Bill.
Who stands to gain by outlawing all sharing of information aside from MPAA & RIAA? What's next? Books? Books can be shared. Next venue for MS and the BSA: Book-Burning!?
When there's been no anti-trust enforcement!? Just a slap on the wrist,and a "Naughty boys" scolding. So what if there's lawyers involved, when they are all Microsoft lawyers?
Your point "b" is bullcrap and whiney bullcrap at that. No one above has complained that "Microsoft doesn't destroy desktop security segment with free AV..."
Doesn't matter if its free or not, what's to keep them from giving their own AV special treatment & inside info, and thereby screw the non-MS AV players like they did to WordPerfect & Lotus 1-2-3 developers when preparing Office to nuke the competition back in the days leading to Win95? See, the complaint here. Nothing. And what would the DOJ do if they caught them at it? Nothing.
Since there's no downside to destroying the competition, they may as well make a few extra bucks at it. Expect MS AV, AS and firewall to be mandatory with Foghorn. Expect to pay through the nose--or whatever orifice it amuses MS to extract it from--and on a regular basis, sucker.
The Junior Anti-Thoughtcrime League or maybe just Thinkpoljugend? How about BSA (Bill's SturmAbteilung) Jugend?
I have a solution for the RIAA and MPAA that will completely solve their problem with "digital piracy." It is completely within their power, won't require courts or laws. But they won't like it. Quit producing content in digital formats. Simple. Then stuff like CDs and DVDs can be put to work on something useful, like storage and transfer of worthwhile data instead of alleged "entertainment" from Hollywood & recording studios.
MS can extend, embrace, patent & close it again.
You are dead right on the Debian-installer. Actually I moved from Mepis to Debian but only thanks to the new installer. As for Ubuntu, I'm inclined to suspect that they "fixed" something as while it installed, it wouldn't boot-although their "live" CD does.
The only drawback to debian-installer is that broadband is almost a must.
How about because lying seems to be part of MS culture and has been for as long as I can remember. Anyone who asks known liars a question deserves what they get. If I wanted made-up answers to my questions, I'd make up my own.
What are you talking about? A from-scratch install by the user? If so, Windows installs are way more painful and time consuming than Linux or even FreeBSD. Like someone else pointed out Mandrake, Mepis and Ubuntu install complete usable systems-or have for me.
This is being written from a Debian-Sarge installation done with the net-install disk. All I had to do afterward was enable sound (one click) install CUPS (via synaptic, 2 or 3 clicks) and install the printer (3 or 4 clicks). No anti-user EULAs to click.
An already set-up box would require less.
What do you want an O/S to do, anyway, to set up your e-mail account for you? Even Windows makes you do that.
If you have a version of Mepis with Synaptic you may wish to try that as it does a good job of resolving dependencies etc. Hmmh ... you'll want to update the source too, if not already doene--which can also be done with apt-get.. I dis apt-get update folloed by apt-get dist-upgrade to my Mepis 2005.rc3 install Saturday & have had no probleems yet. Not familiar with zope ... Good luck!
I dunno, MS has been giving us the finger for years.
What kind of psycho runs 12 applications and plays Quake 3 at the same time? reminds me of the marketing-droid who first tried to sell me on XP: "I had 100 instances of media player running at the same time, no problem" Swell. I seldom listen to 100 songs or watch 100 videos at the same time. Maybe I'm just a retard. I dunno.
FreeBSD & debian both use remote installs as a variant. Hmmh...Shouldn't MS turn itself in for innovation-piracy? If Aunt Minnie & Joe Sixpack are going to be expected to do a net install, it could be entertaining. I tried FreeBSD equivalent & crashed, although I had sucessfull installs with CDs. Conversely, I never got a successfull Debian install with CDs, but the net-install was a breeze. On the other hand, I just don't give a frack about where MS's product line is going anymore. However, freedom is what it's all about. If someone wants to use Foghorn that's their business; and, if someone wants to smoke crack, that's their business, too.