My issue is that every once in a while I need a reboot, and waiting minutes between the time the kernel boots and the rest of it is up is entirely unnecessary.
That is not a initd or systemd issue. That is an implementation issue with your systems.
It's like Wikileaks never happened. Despite the public outrage, despite the revelation that the spying achieved nothing the politicians (so far in Australia and now Canada) have responded with even more spying, plus legal oversight to crush future whistle blowers. Undermining our commercial systems whilst imposing the presumption of guilt on our citizens whilst authorities everywhere say "Papers please".
As for the unix philosophy, init systems pre-systemd hardly did just one thing and hardly did it well.
Are you sure you are using it correctly. Whilst fussy, init is hardly complicated - perhaps you are thinking of rc?
How does systemd remind you of windows?
I think the binary log files is a good start.
Have you actually *used* either in a system administration capacity?
Yes, we've been testing systemd in-house extensively. It has compelling feature that I like (unit files are a big improvement) however the monolithic approach is a turn off. If it was a replacement for rc, I'd back it, however as a replacement for initd it is not.
Whilst there is much pontificating about systemd, I think it is great for desktop systems however I can't see many enterprise deployments using it, it's just not ready for prime time. risk==downtime==2am working==no way
I don't care if you call me a holdout. I know how to make systemd do what I want because I use it. Init is still simpler and more robust because while you see the blocking/slow startup as a problem, most experienced admins see it as init advertising what is wrong.
Actually you're the traitor. Like all domestic enemies you are an unseen, unknown anonymous coward undermining democracy for everyone.
History has shown that when the clubs and batons come out to suppress the freedom of ordinary people, you're the unidentified one dressed in black beating up some poor kid or torturing some human rights campaigner. You cause terrorism because you never answer for your crimes like a festering wound on society.
You are an anonymous coward because you are hated, even by your own self.
At minimum, the fine should be the same amount they would have "saved"(preferably more). At best, we should start putting people in jail for breaking the law just like we do regular people who break the law.
It is "Justice" "seen" to be done.
In reality the penalty should be so severe that no sane employer would expose them selves to that sort of risk. Currently it is like the "slap" in slap and tickle, a little exciting if you get caught and rewarding if you don't. Unfortunately because unions are unpopular in the tech industry there is no organization powerful enough to lobby the congresscritters for law reform as the tech industry settles more and more into mainstream and sleazier employers enter the market.
Great set-up if you want to exploit people though.
Used and implemented properly, encryption can also provide protection against fraud. It would seem though that the FBI would prefer to encourage agencies around the world to snoop rather than actually *prevent* crime.
Still, I've heard that cops aren't exactly fond of doing the hard work of following proper protocols and procedures, opting for short cuts. It's a bit insulting that they constantly claim they don't have enough search and seize powers however when they start criticizing the one method that may protect my property from a criminal activity they will have no interest in pursuing, I'd give them the advice that any other employee would get:
Let's see what they say: "From the Second Law follows that the generated amount of useful energy from mineral energy sources is insufficient to compensate for its coupled entropy generation, even if all useful energy would applied to that purpose." It's not possible for uranium mining to decrease entropy in the universe, so obviously it's not economically viable! You could say the same thing for breathing.
It's a large study and I have to see what you are talking about in context, so which part of it are you referring to?
And too bad they include completely made up additional costs to nuclear (like a cost of heat production - complete BS, and cost of using up uranium resources, when in fact reprocessing reduces that to almost zero very quickly )
Actually the peer reviewed science shows that nuclear energy has no net energy return. What this means is every dollar spent on nuclear energy is wasted. The study uses industrial standards for process measurement as a basis.
Enjoy the lies. Pity that environmentalists so often have to resort to them - not many ideals on those idealists.
I don't think this is a matter of 'environmentalists' anymore, our society has some severe structural issues. If we don't solve them the future of the human race will become very bleak indeed.
To do so just side-steps evolution taking the greatest trait ever to develop on this planet (intellect) and granting all of it's benefits with none of it's disadvantages (few as they may be) to people lacking it. In turn we've not only halted, but actually reversed the effects of evolution resulting in greater intellect.
People also forget that the M doesn't loose keystokes just because the amount of keys you press exceed the keyboard rollover. Someone here will correct the details that I am too tired to share however this is also a nice feature of keyboards of that era. Modern keyboards seem to have lost that feature.
The best thing about a Model M is that to can render someone unconscious who complains about the noise it makes and resume typing immediately. If they don't go unconscious then you can continue assaulting them until they shut up. Meanwhile the M will keep going.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Those who wield technology are, therefore, akin to magicians. People are amazed by magicians but they also don't trust what they don't understand.
Most people don't understand the commitment required to be a good technologist, they just want you to fix their computer during the dinner they invited you to. How may times have you heard the "I'm not very good with computers" line? Even more how many time have you met someone with "the next great idea to make millions" and all they need is some dumb monkey coder to do the actual *work* for them? The general expectation is that you'll do it for them but just watch their face if you ask them to tile your bathroom or do a similar amount of *work*.
I think Thiel is right. I'm uncertain if people actually deserve a gift like information technology and the internet which is powerful enough to enslave or free humanity. Frankly people are so vapid and apathetic they are simply driving us to a technology driven dystopia from the sheer weight of idiocracy. The worst thing about it is that myself and every technologist I know is being dragged along, kicking and screaming, with them - fully aware of the consequences.
I'm sorry you feel that way however what I wrote wasn't about you nor was it an attack on you. It was about what you said.
Rationality left the room in this discussion long ago when the oil and coal companies decided to get involved with using PR to counter the irrefutable science being peer reviewed and published. PR companies don't need actual science to influence public opinion, they just need to confuse the issue. Unintentionally, you helped them.
Whilst what you were saying was pretty clear to me, it is obviously not clear to you that what you say will be twisted in much more sinister ways than you claim I have. If you ask yourself how likely it is that this is a consequence of AGW could you indeed state that it's unlikely? Intentionally or not you politicized your own argument. No one is going to do the science on the walrus' coming ashore en-mass because no-one cares about them, not even you. That's the reality.
You've largely backed up my point about the political elements in these topics. You are not a positive influence on rational discussions. You promote factionalism, tribalism, political gainsaying, and other primate pissing contests into what should be a rational scientific discussion.
I never claimed anything I said was science, nor did I launch into an ad hominem attack as you have demonstrated. You claim this "should be a rational scientific discussion" but what you don't realize is we are no longer talking rationally about this and many other things. This is a "gloves off, take no prisoners" battle for survival on one side and a "You won't be taking me alive" fight for a perceived way of life ending on another.
If you want rationality, you should be prepared to demonstrate it as I have, because billions of people are going to die in the changes and resources wars in the coming years. That is the discussion we are having. If you are not equipped to have the discussion you shouldn't complain to me because of it or blame me because you take it personally.
May be now some of those candidates would know what it means to be on the receiving end of racism and look with some sympathy and understanding when black, brown, yellow Americans complain about it.
Come on, The caste system is alive and well in India
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Why are binary log files such a big issue?
Because on failure systemd looses the last buffer size of log entries. Precisely the errors you need to analyse the failure.
My issue is that every once in a while I need a reboot, and waiting minutes between the time the kernel boots and the rest of it is up is entirely unnecessary.
That is not a initd or systemd issue. That is an implementation issue with your systems.
It's like Wikileaks never happened. Despite the public outrage, despite the revelation that the spying achieved nothing the politicians (so far in Australia and now Canada) have responded with even more spying, plus legal oversight to crush future whistle blowers. Undermining our commercial systems whilst imposing the presumption of guilt on our citizens whilst authorities everywhere say "Papers please".
This is what our tax dollars are paying for.
As for the unix philosophy, init systems pre-systemd hardly did just one thing and hardly did it well.
Are you sure you are using it correctly. Whilst fussy, init is hardly complicated - perhaps you are thinking of rc?
How does systemd remind you of windows?
I think the binary log files is a good start.
Have you actually *used* either in a system administration capacity?
Yes, we've been testing systemd in-house extensively. It has compelling feature that I like (unit files are a big improvement) however the monolithic approach is a turn off. If it was a replacement for rc, I'd back it, however as a replacement for initd it is not.
Whilst there is much pontificating about systemd, I think it is great for desktop systems however I can't see many enterprise deployments using it, it's just not ready for prime time. risk==downtime==2am working==no way
I don't care if you call me a holdout. I know how to make systemd do what I want because I use it. Init is still simpler and more robust because while you see the blocking/slow startup as a problem, most experienced admins see it as init advertising what is wrong.
systemd solves a problem that isn't really there.
But when I did read it, it was only on occasion, once every couple years. I found the left-wing politics distasteful.
This describes my experiences of the right-wing bias in all media, all the time.
Besides, all the latest cutting-edge material is on the Internet.
All the cutting edge thinking is in peoples heads first.
You don't learn to hack, you hack to learn.
Right or Wrong, he's a traitor
FTFY
Actually you're the traitor. Like all domestic enemies you are an unseen, unknown anonymous coward undermining democracy for everyone.
History has shown that when the clubs and batons come out to suppress the freedom of ordinary people, you're the unidentified one dressed in black beating up some poor kid or torturing some human rights campaigner. You cause terrorism because you never answer for your crimes like a festering wound on society.
You are an anonymous coward because you are hated, even by your own self.
At minimum, the fine should be the same amount they would have "saved"(preferably more). At best, we should start putting people in jail for breaking the law just like we do regular people who break the law.
It is "Justice" "seen" to be done.
In reality the penalty should be so severe that no sane employer would expose them selves to that sort of risk. Currently it is like the "slap" in slap and tickle, a little exciting if you get caught and rewarding if you don't. Unfortunately because unions are unpopular in the tech industry there is no organization powerful enough to lobby the congresscritters for law reform as the tech industry settles more and more into mainstream and sleazier employers enter the market.
Great set-up if you want to exploit people though.
A good start would be to actually fund a space agency to do space work. It's just a thought...
Used and implemented properly, encryption can also provide protection against fraud. It would seem though that the FBI would prefer to encourage agencies around the world to snoop rather than actually *prevent* crime.
Still, I've heard that cops aren't exactly fond of doing the hard work of following proper protocols and procedures, opting for short cuts. It's a bit insulting that they constantly claim they don't have enough search and seize powers however when they start criticizing the one method that may protect my property from a criminal activity they will have no interest in pursuing, I'd give them the advice that any other employee would get:
Stop complaining and do your job.
Could you please point me to some peer-reviewed science? All I'm seeing on that site are bald assertions.
All the best nuclear shills are anonymous cowards, however you aren't one of the best.
Maybe the part that says:
Each nuclear power plant leaves behind an energy debt as large as about one third of its lifetime energy production
http://www.stormsmith.nl/i16.html That is... the part that calls his assertion "Complete Bullshit"
It's more likely that you haven't read it and you don't understand where the energy debt comes from.
Let's see what they say: "From the Second Law follows that the generated amount of useful energy from mineral energy sources is insufficient to compensate for its coupled entropy generation, even if all useful energy would applied to that purpose." It's not possible for uranium mining to decrease entropy in the universe, so obviously it's not economically viable! You could say the same thing for breathing.
It's a large study and I have to see what you are talking about in context, so which part of it are you referring to?
And too bad they include completely made up additional costs to nuclear (like a cost of heat production - complete BS, and cost of using up uranium resources, when in fact reprocessing reduces that to almost zero very quickly )
Actually the peer reviewed science shows that nuclear energy has no net energy return. What this means is every dollar spent on nuclear energy is wasted. The study uses industrial standards for process measurement as a basis.
Enjoy the lies. Pity that environmentalists so often have to resort to them - not many ideals on those idealists.
I don't think this is a matter of 'environmentalists' anymore, our society has some severe structural issues. If we don't solve them the future of the human race will become very bleak indeed.
To do so just side-steps evolution taking the greatest trait ever to develop on this planet (intellect) and granting all of it's benefits with none of it's disadvantages (few as they may be) to people lacking it. In turn we've not only halted, but actually reversed the effects of evolution resulting in greater intellect.
Indeed!
Perhaps it's the technologists you hang out with. Those I know don't feel that way. I also think you're conflating charlatan's with everyday people.
Perhaps it's the technologists you hang out with?
People also forget that the M doesn't loose keystokes just because the amount of keys you press exceed the keyboard rollover. Someone here will correct the details that I am too tired to share however this is also a nice feature of keyboards of that era. Modern keyboards seem to have lost that feature.
I use a model M however them M2 model is smaller, lighter and still a really good keyboard.
The best thing about a Model M is that to can render someone unconscious who complains about the noise it makes and resume typing immediately. If they don't go unconscious then you can continue assaulting them until they shut up. Meanwhile the M will keep going.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Those who wield technology are, therefore, akin to magicians. People are amazed by magicians but they also don't trust what they don't understand.
Most people don't understand the commitment required to be a good technologist, they just want you to fix their computer during the dinner they invited you to. How may times have you heard the "I'm not very good with computers" line? Even more how many time have you met someone with "the next great idea to make millions" and all they need is some dumb monkey coder to do the actual *work* for them? The general expectation is that you'll do it for them but just watch their face if you ask them to tile your bathroom or do a similar amount of *work*.
I think Thiel is right. I'm uncertain if people actually deserve a gift like information technology and the internet which is powerful enough to enslave or free humanity. Frankly people are so vapid and apathetic they are simply driving us to a technology driven dystopia from the sheer weight of idiocracy. The worst thing about it is that myself and every technologist I know is being dragged along, kicking and screaming, with them - fully aware of the consequences.
I fear people will hate you for this comment. Are you technology?
No, he's Tchnology.
I'm sorry you feel that way however what I wrote wasn't about you nor was it an attack on you. It was about what you said.
Rationality left the room in this discussion long ago when the oil and coal companies decided to get involved with using PR to counter the irrefutable science being peer reviewed and published. PR companies don't need actual science to influence public opinion, they just need to confuse the issue. Unintentionally, you helped them.
Whilst what you were saying was pretty clear to me, it is obviously not clear to you that what you say will be twisted in much more sinister ways than you claim I have. If you ask yourself how likely it is that this is a consequence of AGW could you indeed state that it's unlikely? Intentionally or not you politicized your own argument. No one is going to do the science on the walrus' coming ashore en-mass because no-one cares about them, not even you. That's the reality.
I never claimed anything I said was science, nor did I launch into an ad hominem attack as you have demonstrated. You claim this "should be a rational scientific discussion" but what you don't realize is we are no longer talking rationally about this and many other things. This is a "gloves off, take no prisoners" battle for survival on one side and a "You won't be taking me alive" fight for a perceived way of life ending on another.
If you want rationality, you should be prepared to demonstrate it as I have, because billions of people are going to die in the changes and resources wars in the coming years. That is the discussion we are having. If you are not equipped to have the discussion you shouldn't complain to me because of it or blame me because you take it personally.
This talk of double standards has another point. Talk of AGW and if it is or isn't man made
AGW stands for anthropogenic global warming. Anthropogenic means man-made.
pedantic:
adjective
2. overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially in teaching.
May be now some of those candidates would know what it means to be on the receiving end of racism and look with some sympathy and understanding when black, brown, yellow Americans complain about it.
Come on, The caste system is alive and well in India
They should be careful with that ploy. The people will tolerate what they can and then they'll kill the ruling class.
Exactly! That is what history has shown in the past.