Luckily we have companies developing 4th generation reactors. The integral fast reactor is one type of reactor. Terrapower has a traveling wave reactor. We are re engineering the entire nuclear industry.
Who's We? Do you work in the nuclear industry designing nuclear reactors?
IFR is the only technology that actually has been proven to work, if you knew that you wouldn't bunch it with a fairy tale reactor, you would know why it was Integral. However that technology has been funded to be dismantled. Had you read the reference to governing law you would understand the clauses Terrapower was funded under.
I don't think you can re-engineer the nuclear industry if you can't get through the governing law.
I understand what it would take to decarbonize our planet better then you do.
Well out with it then - let's see what your plan is.
A strawman is a logical fallacy
Yeah, that's what you did. You tried to imply the resources of the nuclear industry exceeded the suns energy. Existing stocks of pu and DU is less than 10K years and if you knew about IFR you would know that. If you knew about net energetic return you would know that the energy to pump the seawater exceeds the energy you get from the fuel you extract.
Are you fresh out of Nuclear Shill School and you've come to/. , let me guess, about 2 years ago? You got a lot of study ahead because social proof and doing mental gymnastics around the facts isn't going to cut it.
I do blame the greenies, yet I blame the fossil fuel industry more.
What, specifically, do you blame the fossil fuel industry for? What is it that is so bad that they are doing to the nuclear industry?
The entire anti-nuclear movement was founded and funded by the fossil fuel industry.
A molten salt waste burner doesn't produce Thallium
So are any deployed and do they burn plutonium and DU? - those are the issues we have to address.
LFTRs are the sollution to the Thallium problem you'd get in a solid fuelled Thorium cycle reactor.
So the question is, what does it produce? It's not nothing, its waste product doesn't just disappear. It's also worth pointing out that Thorium fueled reactors will have new types of failure modes and the amount of reactor experience we have with these devices is very much in the prototyping phase.
Still I'd support funding into research into LFTRs and molten salt waste burners and then see what the result is.
Indeed, however if they don't burn the primary waste product we have they are worse than pointless because they create a new spent fuel product. Thorium is clearly a better way to do nuclear power, however powers that be choose Uranium - now we have a plutonium and DU waste problem to deal with.
A lot of the funding is coming from the private sector anyway - it doesn't need to be all public.
Funding for this reactor technology is in the US 2005 Energy Policy Act SEC 600-635 (IIRC)
Reprocessing of spent fuel in combination with pebble-bed designs would go a long way...
Graphite moderator, no containment building, can't manufacture consistent fuel sizes, PBMR are on a par with the Chernobyl reactor for accidents. Worse with re-processed fuel.
No, but one of them is a molten salt reactor. And molten salt is the basis for LFTR.
So are you saying that it *might* burn plutonium, DU? It still creates Thallium as a spent fuel by-product, so I don't see how that solves the problem we have.
As for thorium it was a great idea in the 50's if we didn't want to have MAD but we chose Uranium and the thorium fuel cycle does not provide anyway (that I have seen) to deal with the existing waste problem we have with Uranium and plutonium
I'll just point out that the sun has been in existence for longer that the Earth, human civilization and is likely to still be going long after the human race as faded into memory. Let's talk about the Suns limits after 500 million years.
but we can run our civilization for 10000's of years with nuclear. That makes is sustainable.
Not without a massive re-engineering of the entire Nuclear Industry, this comment is essentially a strawman and I doubt you have considered it deeply. I welcome a discussion on IFR though, but before you do please read SEC 600 of the 2005 US Energy act and tell me why the funding exists to completely destroy the technology. After that you could explain away the funding loopholes that exist for big oil and coal to exploit nuclear deployments for tax credits.
If we include seawater extraction and thorium we can run our civilization for millions of years.
We've been over seawater extraction so many times. The density of uranium fuel in seawater is so low that you have no energy return on producing uranium fuel this way.
As for thorium it was a great idea in the 50's if we didn't want to have MAD but we chose Uranium and the thorium fuel cycle does not provide anyway (that I have seen) to deal with the existing waste problem we have with Uranium and plutonium. What it does is create a Thallium waste problem with all of the varied and unstable waste products it produces.
It's a lot easier to blame greenies and NIMBYS than Oil and Coal interests that control energy production in the world, so it is unlikely we will see any advancement in nuclear power, battery technology or anything else to produce the outcome you describe that threatens their dominance of those industries.
The emergency move away from nuclear has been incredibly short sighted. I understand not wanting to build new reactors, but shutting down running reactors, with all the capital investment involved, just doesn't make any sense.
It makes perfect sense. The components of a Nuclear reactor become brittle and fragile from neutron bombardment over time making any potential failure much more serious.
40 years is the expected operating lifespan for a Nuclear Reactor and the risk from operating one in a place as densely populated as Europe risks making large areas uninhabitable from any one accident. Controlling that risk across all of the operating reactors of similar age is extremely difficult.
If people are serious about maintaining the same quality of lifestyle that we have today without burning as much coal, the current solution is Nuclear Energy. Yes it does pose many risks but so does burning coal, and the latter seems to be destroying our environment.
The Human Genome is more important than living standards, that is what artificially created radionuclides from the nuclear fuel cycle threaten when they bio-accumulate in foodchain. Gathering an understanding of the risks and a country deciding if they what to expose themselves to it is a perfectly reasonable and rational thing to do.
We were handed a carbon issue from the previous generation because they didn't fix the issue. Our generation has to decide if we are going to be as selfish and hand a radionuclide issue to future generations.
For now, it appears, that Germany has decided they won't.
It's a bit much to expect you to open your mouth without spin, but c'est la vie.
You really hurt my feelings with that. I think I might go to the doctor and get them checked, for free.
I've got no dog in this fight. I'm prepared to give Trump the benefit of the doubt however I just think it's sad that Billary and Trump were the best options the two party system could produce. You can get all upset and offended and throw out your pointless little jibes at me or you can see that I am making a observation based in valid concerns and try to have a reasoned discussion.
There is a big difference between the President creating laws and proposing legislation. Trump has petitioned Congress on numerous occasions to repeal and replace ObamaCare.
I know the president can't pass the laws he proposes, I wasn't suggesting that he does. There is nothing preventing him proposing legislation to fix it. Just saying repeal and replace is not leading, it's outsourcing the problem and complaining that no-one else is doing anything about it.
In other words he should put up or shut up.
The skeptic in me wouldn't want Trump to come up with the specifics of a new national health care system.
Why?
I whole heartedly agree that ObamaCare is broken. Affordable is a misnomer; my premiums went up by 25% last year and seems to be about the same rate this year for the same level of coverage.
However, it's not all broken. A bunch of it looks like corporate welfare to the insurance companies for a start. So why not pick out the broken bits and fix that first. Asking to chuck it out and then start again is about as stupid as a proposal as I have ever heard.
I don't know how to fix ObamaCare in a way that is fiscally responsible and meets the middle-class needs.
Then you be the leader. Figure out what is wrong and propose changes in H.R.3590 - Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which is literally maybe an afternoon to read and understand, I just did and can already see the weak points. Write to the president and propose the changes yourself. Or are you just looking for a reason to whine and complain?
There's nothing wrong with a God mode. They key is making sure the right person is God.
Yeah, I'm kinda thinking that if the management engine is on the machine and it is MINIX, I'd like to use it myself to, you know, manage the machine. I'm pretty sure I paid for it.
I don't know about the science of all that, but you want dreams.
It's worth studying your dreams, you will learn more about yourself than you know and it is a very effective way of interpreting what your subconscious is telling you. You don't have time to process everything consciously so it helps a lot with interpersonal relationships, I have found, if you have the courage to face what it tells you about yourself. Inner truths.
Start with an online dream dictionary, you won't regret it.
Business is business and friendship doesn't put food on the table.
True, however it is a interesting way to make friends. A friend in need is a friend indeed.
If the mom stopped paying, time to go.
Maybe. I think affairs of the heart have a tendency to overshadow business, that's the true business risk, getting involved, actually genuinely caring. You would have to have a heart of stone not to.
We only need to remove the political rhetoric from your post for it to be closer to truth..
The typical Political archetypes are psychopaths as the leaders with narcissists as the minions, willing to do anything for anyone for empty compliments about how great they are
For what we can see politics has become so dis-functional with the identity game that it is precisely what attracts psychopaths and narcissists. The image of competence. Meanwhile, the competent are subject to all of the games psychopaths and narcissists play, manipulating people.
Your example of Tesla and Edison is a good one, especially considering that when Einstein was asked, What's it like to be the smartest man in the world? he replied: "I don't know, you would have to ask Nicola Tesla." It's a good example of what this sickness costs our species.
I'm only pointing it out because I think that sickness overshadows politics and we have to fix politics to prevent psychopaths spreading their corruption throughout our society.
Note that the President can ask Congress / the Senate, but the President can't create laws on his or her own.
Yeah, it's probably a bit much to ask the leader to, you know, lead.
If Congress has adjourned without acting on proposals, the president may call a special session of the Congress.
My fellow Americans, As President I have set forth legislative proposals to Obamacare. Congress has refused to pass these vital amendments that I, as President, deem necessary to make healthcare fair for all Americans. I have called a special session of Congress to debate these important amendments in an effort to have them pass into law, for all Americans, God Bless America.
Why doesn't he just fix the bits he doesn't like and re-name it.
Go take Civics 101 for what powers the POTUS has and does not have.
Thanks for the extremely useful advice, people everywhere must covet your wisdom, intelligence and ability to explain things in a rational way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...The president may personally propose legislation in annual and special messages to Congress including the annual State of the Union address and joint sessions of Congress. If Congress has adjourned without acting on proposals, the president may call a special session of the Congress.
Some even considered the fund to be a massive wealth distribution program coming at the expense of the American taxpayer.
Oil companies, the biggest are all American, isn' that the elephant in the room? Seems to me what we are talking about here is America is an Oil economy and how long will it remain as one.
Nothing is keeping the other countries from stepping up their commitment in order to meet the shortfall cause by the US pulling out.
It's a shame neighbor, Americans used to be good at solving problems like this.
And stop taking legal action against the people who tried to help you in the first place. Give them a reporting system and free stuff instead and all your security problems will be located in about 10 minutes.
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Yeah, that's what you did. You tried to imply the resources of the nuclear industry exceeded the suns energy
No I did not. I made a rhetorical point against a strawman argument(Nuclear is finite).
Nuclear power is finite. You are again implying it is infinite.
I never said resources from nuclear exceed those of the sun.
Like every shill you speak in doublebabblebullshit. You've avoided all the real questions:
Since you can't answer those questions it is obvious you are a Nuclear fanboi.
In fact by continue this line of argument you are making a strawman argument.
I was being polite so I didn't embarrass you by calling it complete and utter bullshit.
Go to wikipedia for friends of the earth
and you continue to make unsupported accusations. You're a shill.
Don't forget BUY IT!!
Luckily we have companies developing 4th generation reactors. The integral fast reactor is one type of reactor. Terrapower has a traveling wave reactor. We are re engineering the entire nuclear industry.
Who's We? Do you work in the nuclear industry designing nuclear reactors?
IFR is the only technology that actually has been proven to work, if you knew that you wouldn't bunch it with a fairy tale reactor, you would know why it was Integral. However that technology has been funded to be dismantled. Had you read the reference to governing law you would understand the clauses Terrapower was funded under.
I don't think you can re-engineer the nuclear industry if you can't get through the governing law.
I understand what it would take to decarbonize our planet better then you do.
Well out with it then - let's see what your plan is.
A strawman is a logical fallacy
Yeah, that's what you did. You tried to imply the resources of the nuclear industry exceeded the suns energy. Existing stocks of pu and DU is less than 10K years and if you knew about IFR you would know that. If you knew about net energetic return you would know that the energy to pump the seawater exceeds the energy you get from the fuel you extract.
Are you fresh out of Nuclear Shill School and you've come to /. , let me guess, about 2 years ago? You got a lot of study ahead because social proof and doing mental gymnastics around the facts isn't going to cut it.
I do blame the greenies, yet I blame the fossil fuel industry more.
What, specifically, do you blame the fossil fuel industry for? What is it that is so bad that they are doing to the nuclear industry?
The entire anti-nuclear movement was founded and funded by the fossil fuel industry.
Citation please.
See Friends of the Earth.
Citation please.
Informative++
A molten salt waste burner doesn't produce Thallium
So are any deployed and do they burn plutonium and DU? - those are the issues we have to address.
LFTRs are the sollution to the Thallium problem you'd get in a solid fuelled Thorium cycle reactor.
So the question is, what does it produce? It's not nothing, its waste product doesn't just disappear. It's also worth pointing out that Thorium fueled reactors will have new types of failure modes and the amount of reactor experience we have with these devices is very much in the prototyping phase.
Still I'd support funding into research into LFTRs and molten salt waste burners and then see what the result is.
Indeed, however if they don't burn the primary waste product we have they are worse than pointless because they create a new spent fuel product. Thorium is clearly a better way to do nuclear power, however powers that be choose Uranium - now we have a plutonium and DU waste problem to deal with.
A lot of the funding is coming from the private sector anyway - it doesn't need to be all public.
Funding for this reactor technology is in the US 2005 Energy Policy Act SEC 600-635 (IIRC)
Reprocessing of spent fuel in combination with pebble-bed designs would go a long way...
Graphite moderator, no containment building, can't manufacture consistent fuel sizes, PBMR are on a par with the Chernobyl reactor for accidents. Worse with re-processed fuel.
No, but one of them is a molten salt reactor. And molten salt is the basis for LFTR.
So are you saying that it *might* burn plutonium, DU? It still creates Thallium as a spent fuel by-product, so I don't see how that solves the problem we have.
As for thorium it was a great idea in the 50's if we didn't want to have MAD but we chose Uranium and the thorium fuel cycle does not provide anyway (that I have seen) to deal with the existing waste problem we have with Uranium and plutonium
There are proposals for waste burning reactors
Neither of them are thorium reactors.
Nuclear energy isn't unlimited
Neither is solar,
I'll just point out that the sun has been in existence for longer that the Earth, human civilization and is likely to still be going long after the human race as faded into memory. Let's talk about the Suns limits after 500 million years.
but we can run our civilization for 10000's of years with nuclear. That makes is sustainable.
Not without a massive re-engineering of the entire Nuclear Industry, this comment is essentially a strawman and I doubt you have considered it deeply. I welcome a discussion on IFR though, but before you do please read SEC 600 of the 2005 US Energy act and tell me why the funding exists to completely destroy the technology. After that you could explain away the funding loopholes that exist for big oil and coal to exploit nuclear deployments for tax credits.
If we include seawater extraction and thorium we can run our civilization for millions of years.
We've been over seawater extraction so many times. The density of uranium fuel in seawater is so low that you have no energy return on producing uranium fuel this way.
As for thorium it was a great idea in the 50's if we didn't want to have MAD but we chose Uranium and the thorium fuel cycle does not provide anyway (that I have seen) to deal with the existing waste problem we have with Uranium and plutonium. What it does is create a Thallium waste problem with all of the varied and unstable waste products it produces.
It's a lot easier to blame greenies and NIMBYS than Oil and Coal interests that control energy production in the world, so it is unlikely we will see any advancement in nuclear power, battery technology or anything else to produce the outcome you describe that threatens their dominance of those industries.
The emergency move away from nuclear has been incredibly short sighted. I understand not wanting to build new reactors, but shutting down running reactors, with all the capital investment involved, just doesn't make any sense.
It makes perfect sense. The components of a Nuclear reactor become brittle and fragile from neutron bombardment over time making any potential failure much more serious.
40 years is the expected operating lifespan for a Nuclear Reactor and the risk from operating one in a place as densely populated as Europe risks making large areas uninhabitable from any one accident. Controlling that risk across all of the operating reactors of similar age is extremely difficult.
If people are serious about maintaining the same quality of lifestyle that we have today without burning as much coal, the current solution is Nuclear Energy. Yes it does pose many risks but so does burning coal, and the latter seems to be destroying our environment.
The Human Genome is more important than living standards, that is what artificially created radionuclides from the nuclear fuel cycle threaten when they bio-accumulate in foodchain. Gathering an understanding of the risks and a country deciding if they what to expose themselves to it is a perfectly reasonable and rational thing to do.
We were handed a carbon issue from the previous generation because they didn't fix the issue. Our generation has to decide if we are going to be as selfish and hand a radionuclide issue to future generations.
For now, it appears, that Germany has decided they won't.
Bleeds you of cash to get it and then you need a new one.
It's a bit much to expect you to open your mouth without spin, but c'est la vie.
You really hurt my feelings with that. I think I might go to the doctor and get them checked, for free.
I've got no dog in this fight. I'm prepared to give Trump the benefit of the doubt however I just think it's sad that Billary and Trump were the best options the two party system could produce. You can get all upset and offended and throw out your pointless little jibes at me or you can see that I am making a observation based in valid concerns and try to have a reasoned discussion.
There is a big difference between the President creating laws and proposing legislation. Trump has petitioned Congress on numerous occasions to repeal and replace ObamaCare.
I know the president can't pass the laws he proposes, I wasn't suggesting that he does. There is nothing preventing him proposing legislation to fix it. Just saying repeal and replace is not leading, it's outsourcing the problem and complaining that no-one else is doing anything about it.
In other words he should put up or shut up.
The skeptic in me wouldn't want Trump to come up with the specifics of a new national health care system.
Why?
I whole heartedly agree that ObamaCare is broken. Affordable is a misnomer; my premiums went up by 25% last year and seems to be about the same rate this year for the same level of coverage.
However, it's not all broken. A bunch of it looks like corporate welfare to the insurance companies for a start. So why not pick out the broken bits and fix that first. Asking to chuck it out and then start again is about as stupid as a proposal as I have ever heard.
I don't know how to fix ObamaCare in a way that is fiscally responsible and meets the middle-class needs.
Then you be the leader. Figure out what is wrong and propose changes in H.R.3590 - Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which is literally maybe an afternoon to read and understand, I just did and can already see the weak points. Write to the president and propose the changes yourself. Or are you just looking for a reason to whine and complain?
Citizenship 101.
How exactly is it pronounced? Cause I can already see other language designers claiming "Our language is better than Cx!"
They were considering Cmin for a while until they really thought about it.
Does anyone know if the FBI considered the acoustic analysis that was offered in response to their pleas for help to the public?
It's worth the 30 minutes, the analysis presented some compelling information, was well explained and reasoned.
There's nothing wrong with a God mode. They key is making sure the right person is God.
Yeah, I'm kinda thinking that if the management engine is on the machine and it is MINIX, I'd like to use it myself to, you know, manage the machine. I'm pretty sure I paid for it.
I don't know about the science of all that, but you want dreams.
It's worth studying your dreams, you will learn more about yourself than you know and it is a very effective way of interpreting what your subconscious is telling you. You don't have time to process everything consciously so it helps a lot with interpersonal relationships, I have found, if you have the courage to face what it tells you about yourself. Inner truths.
Start with an online dream dictionary, you won't regret it.
Business is business and friendship doesn't put food on the table.
True, however it is a interesting way to make friends. A friend in need is a friend indeed.
If the mom stopped paying, time to go.
Maybe. I think affairs of the heart have a tendency to overshadow business, that's the true business risk, getting involved, actually genuinely caring. You would have to have a heart of stone not to.
they are smart enough. I'm glad they destroy these experiments.
The typical Political archetypes are psychopaths as the leaders with narcissists as the minions, willing to do anything for anyone for empty compliments about how great they are
For what we can see politics has become so dis-functional with the identity game that it is precisely what attracts psychopaths and narcissists. The image of competence. Meanwhile, the competent are subject to all of the games psychopaths and narcissists play, manipulating people.
Your example of Tesla and Edison is a good one, especially considering that when Einstein was asked, What's it like to be the smartest man in the world? he replied: "I don't know, you would have to ask Nicola Tesla." It's a good example of what this sickness costs our species.
I'm only pointing it out because I think that sickness overshadows politics and we have to fix politics to prevent psychopaths spreading their corruption throughout our society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... The president may personally propose legislation
Note that the President can ask Congress / the Senate, but the President can't create laws on his or her own.
Yeah, it's probably a bit much to ask the leader to, you know, lead.
If Congress has adjourned without acting on proposals, the president may call a special session of the Congress.
My fellow Americans, As President I have set forth legislative proposals to Obamacare. Congress has refused to pass these vital amendments that I, as President, deem necessary to make healthcare fair for all Americans. I have called a special session of Congress to debate these important amendments in an effort to have them pass into law, for all Americans, God Bless America.
Leadership 101.
Why doesn't he just fix the bits he doesn't like and re-name it.
Go take Civics 101 for what powers the POTUS has and does not have.
Thanks for the extremely useful advice, people everywhere must covet your wisdom, intelligence and ability to explain things in a rational way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... The president may personally propose legislation in annual and special messages to Congress including the annual State of the Union address and joint sessions of Congress. If Congress has adjourned without acting on proposals, the president may call a special session of the Congress.
Some even considered the fund to be a massive wealth distribution program coming at the expense of the American taxpayer.
Oil companies, the biggest are all American, isn' that the elephant in the room? Seems to me what we are talking about here is America is an Oil economy and how long will it remain as one.
Nothing is keeping the other countries from stepping up their commitment in order to meet the shortfall cause by the US pulling out.
It's a shame neighbor, Americans used to be good at solving problems like this.
Why doesn't he just fix the bits he doesn't like and re-name it.
And stop taking legal action against the people who tried to help you in the first place. Give them a reporting system and free stuff instead and all your security problems will be located in about 10 minutes.
Shouldn't we be sharing knowledge so that as many people as possible can innovate? If you want to profit from an idea, that's what a patent is for.
Doesn't availability and accessibility increase the utility of the knowledge? Am I missing something here?
Isn't this one of the main reasons the internet was invented? To share knowledge.