It turns out, actually, that humans are very good at solving problems. Once we clearly identify a problem, there are a lot of people who are willing to work hard at finding solutions.
True that.
The drop in production of ozone destroying CFCs started well before the Montreal protocol-- humans stopped using the ozone-destroying CFCs without being legally required to.
Whilst not speaking to cause the UNEP ozone secretariat does report on ozone consumption per its obligations under the Montreal Protocol. It reports consumption and effect of ozone through reporting mechanisms.
The US's consumption can be clearly seen using the Data Reporting Tool and it is in line with the consumption of the producer, The Paducah nuclear fuel enrichment facility for the years it was operating.
I think you are right to say that industry did a good job of reducing their consumption, they did. I looked at the EPA data in 2009 and Paducah facilities consumption was five times that of the second largest consumer in the US. Consequently if you look at the UNEP data the US submitted for the years 2000-2016 you will see Paducah's consumption during operation, winding down and retirement was large enough to maintain the hole in the ozone layer.
I would post a link to the EPA data however it is no longer available online.
Until 25 years ago every can of spray and every fridge was "powered" by CFCs, since we abolished them the Ozone layer is recovering slowly.
However the
Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant was the largest emitter of CFC114 into the atmosphere for many years due to the miles of pipes that it used to pump the gas to enrich uranium in the form of Uranium hexafluoride or "Hex". CFC-114 was one of the gasses known to deplete the ozone layer and was regulated by the Montreal Protocol. The Nuclear Industry had an exemption to the M.P so it could use CFC114 in the enrichment process and while it was still operating it leaked over a ton of CFC114 into the atmosphere each day of those 25 or so, years. The plant was closed down in 2013 so it isn't very surprising that the hole in the ozone layer is starting to recover.
CFC114 is the primary chemical input to enriching Nuclear fuel prior to its use in Nuclear Reactors. Several years ago I was curious about this and I used data available from the US EPA web site on licenced CFC emitters and discovered that the largest emitter there was from the Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant. Its a shame the EPA has had so much of their potency knobbled for political expediency of both sides because this is a great example of how it produces positive results in the long term.
It shows humans can fix problems when we are open and honest about the data and what it means, that our systems can work when we let them.
In the original Sumerian writing, from which these words are derived from the word "Gir", which is the first and original word for "God".
Gir is very much like Grr which is what dogs do. And dog spelt backwards is god. Coincidence? I leave it for you to decide.
There is a difference between trying to pass of juvenile ignorance as enlightenment and tracing ideas through language. I can see you have difficulty with spelling spelled, so unless you are talking about some sort of weird grain all your trite sentence does is demonstrates stupidity.
No one cares if you are a infant spiritually, you couldn't read the bible if you tried because it is very complex and probably beyond you. Of course you'll fall back on all sorts of excuses why you won't to try to mask why you can't so I decided, long ago that big ideas, like "God", are to big for small minds.
This is simply false. I do not believe that God exists for the same reason I don't believe Father Christmas or the Tooth Fairy exist, which is because there is nothing to show that they do exist.
There is no scientific explanation for consciousness and nothing to show it exists. So your argument has already failed. That shows how poorly thought out your position is.
It is kind of ironic that right now Google is facing a lawsuit for discriminating against women, and also one for discriminating against men. Where will the insanity end??
When we start discriminating against people for machines.
Sure, however they still built it despite all that. They mobilized a skilled workforce of what must have been thousands of people for a tomb with no names to credit who built it.
They want us to ask why and they have put an enigma right in our face to solve so we do.
True, my bad, I was posting tired and messed up what I meant to say: that the builders of the Pyramids want us to look at this period of history very closely and they went to a lot of effort to get our attention for when we were sophisticated enough to understand the message.
So what? You could probably find a star or two they all aligned with 20,817 years ago
Well they are aligning with clusters of stars in theme with what is on the ground. The three great pyramids align with Orion, 10500 y/a . The Sphinx (a lion) with Leo 10500 y/a, Angkor Wat with Draco 10500 y/a. Stonehenge and Easter Island also align with star clusters (I think a bull at Stonehenge on the hills, with Taurus in the sky 10500 y/a IIRC).
So the builders have gone to a lot of trouble to make us realize it is deliberate.
No, that doesn't suggest that the pyramids were built around 10,500 BCE.
You're right, I made a mistake, apologies.
What I meant is that the builders of this structure want us to look at this time in our history because it is important enough to build a massive structure like the pyramids to get everyone's attention.
If what you say is true, it suggests is that Egyptian astronomy goes back that far and that Egyptians had great astronomical charts. Also that says their surveying technology would be good enough to align structures to stars that hadn't been in position for 8,000 years.
Indeed. The sobering thing though is the Sphinx, claimed to be 4000 years old exhibits the weathering of a structure 35000 or more years old and erosion from thousands of years of rain when there hasn't been rain on the Giza plateau for about 8000 years(IIRC).
That flies in the face of our conventional view that the history of human civilization started 10,000 years ago.
It is around the same time as The Younger Dryas a period of sudden climate change when the Ice age ended. The general consensus is gradual climate change, ended the ice age, gradualism.
However more and more evidence is emerging to support the theory that there was a sudden change that was not completely global.
I always thought that the Pyramids had all the architectural genius of a pile of dirt.
Then you obviously don't know very much about them because the Pyramids are a wonder of math. They are *the* most culturally significant works our entire race have ever produced. The genius they encapsulate are so mind boggling in scope that it shows we are spiritual infants and mathematical simpletons by comparison.
I don't think our society could produce this quality of work. Ancient Egyptians had the Left brain school of Mathematics and the Right Brain School of Spirituality and the Pyramids are the work of the best of our entire species, Mankind's Opus Magnum. Culturally, they are humanity at it's greatest. The sheer task of designing it, and project managing those with enough skills to build it, alone, is a spectacular achievement.
A large, regularly shaped pile of dirt demonstrating some limited knowledge of astronomy.
The Great Pyramid encodes a great deal of information:
The Great Pyramid aligns to true north to an accuracy our society is only just achieving.
of the Earth and draw a diamond in the oval the corners are equidistant from the centre of the Earth, the North Pole and the great Pyramid (the other edge in the ocean). Somewhat ironically the four points are Water, Earth, Air and Fire.
When viewed from above the Great Pyramid is in the centre of all of the land masses of the Earth.
It encodes phi in the distance of the Kings Chamber to the tip and base.
Take the perimeter of the base and then divide it by the height multiplied by 2 you'll get Pi (1760/560 = 3.14).
The length of a base side is 9,131 Pyramid Inches measured at 365.24 Pyramid Cubits is the number of days in a year [9,131/25 = 365.24, accurate to 5 digits].
Adding the length of its edges produces 43200 which when you multiply it by the volume of the Great Pyramid, it is the volume of the earth, so the Great Pyramid is a scale model of the Earth 43200:1.
The length of the antechamber of the King's Chamber times Pi = length of a sidereal year [116.26471 Pyramid Inches * 3.14159 = 365.25636 days, accurate to 8 digits]
There are more coincidences. Circle the flats and corners of the Great Pyramid subtract the circumference of the inner one from the outer one and you get the speed of light. In the same measurement two 3,4,5 triangles on the edge of the square encode the size of the earth and moon.
The Great Pyramid is an EIGHT sided pyramid, which can be seen at the Spring equinox, from the air.
And that is just the fascinating math of the Great pyramid, Pythagoras is said to have derived his theorems from a study of the Great Pyramid and when you look at them this way there is little doubt they are a masterpiece monument to mathematics, which is so much more than boring tombs, IMHO.
It's like Soviet era construction, but more so: The bigger and thicker you build it, the longer it will stand.
Sometimes, thats the point. When you build a clock to measure time on a scale of Ages, that's what you do. If you're a civilization that last thousands of years and you generate enough surplus to employ skilled people to build the Pyramids, you can build something to measure the longevity of your society. You can make notes about the zodiacal signs that pass by and figure out things about the Earths wobble.
The three pyramids align with Orion in its configuration 10500 years ago, whilst the Sphinx aligns with Leo 10500 years ago. Other information is also encoded in the placement of the three Pyramids in relation to the solar system. It maybe co-incidence however it certainly isn't random, especially when you consider that the Golden Ratio is expressed in the distance between the Great Pyramid, Angkor Wat and Easter Island which themselve
Human standards do, religious standards supposedly don't. The ten commandments are still the ten commandments, unchanged for thousands of years and it is not up to man to change God's rules.
Well, that is until you find in the Egyptian Book of the Dead there are 42 commandments from which Ten were derived.
They already knew the ending of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
The Great Pyramid at Giza was built around 2580–2560 BCE.
The evidence emerging suggests that the pyramids were built around 10500 BC. One of the pieces of evidence is that all three pyramids align with the constellation Orion in its configuration 10500 years ago.
The Sphinx also aligns with the constellation Leo in its configuration 10500 years ago, suggesting deliberate intent and you can find similar star alignments for 10500 years ago in other megalithic structures.
The builders of these structures were not fools or cavemen, you can see that in the complexity of the math represented in the Pyramids, and they are trying to tell us something very important.
Allah does not mean "god" in Arabic. It is a loan word from a much older culture from Mesopotamia called the Akkadian empire.
Which is a misinterpretation propagated by the slang humans have a tendency to do.
In those cultures (Mesopotamia, Akkadian ) it was a derivation of a word that meant 'Lofty Ones' in the older culture. I.e God is a contraction of 'gods' because it is the same idea.
In the original Sumerian writing, from which these words are derived from the word "Gir", which is the first and original word for "God".
If you talk about this you are either sexist or virtue signaling, there is very little room for being a geek or nerd in this conversation without being called one of these two things in a polarizing debate, everyone seems to be trying to win instead of settle.
Ok, that said, I want to point out something that seems obvious to me. Much of this conversation revolves around competence instead of interest in the field. Second thing I notice is women have different power structures to men and this is something we have never incorporated in the workplace, as peers, before. So how do you do that?
I'm happy to say, I've worked with competent women early in my career, one a C programmer another a systems administrator and it was great because they were sane and interested in what I was interested in. The power structure was male our relative interests and it worked. No-one thought about it, we were all too busy to notice.
The next relevant example that comes to mind, was my fault. I hired, who I thought, was the best candidate on paper however, in practice she was fucking lazy, excuses, excuses, excuses and a real dead-weight in the team. Plus, she wanted to fuck me, to the point it was almost sexual harassment (not unattractive, I simply wasn't interested in her and the whole woman scorned thing) and all I could see was a manipulative person. Fortunately my boss was a woman and there were no illusions about competency in her mind, she recognized what was happening and she used female power structures to deal with the issue, ended up having her transferred and I had to block her emails, chat and phone. Not as if the project wasn't hard enough.
Last was my external experience of female power structures on competent women. Two females in a dominant role with questionable competence encountering a young, attractive woman competent interested in the technology. Asking intelligent questions, thinking about them, going away to work things out and coming back to discuss progress and next step, I genuinely respected her attitude to learning. The two dominant females absolutely destroyed her self-esteem and she left, it was disgusting, but showed that women have power structures completely different from men.
So, from my observations, if you are going to have women in the team, you need to find a competent matriarch figure aligned with the business that can assert female dominance because, as a man, if you are challenged by a woman you can't assert physical dominance the way you would with a man (men know what to expect from each other) and you are just pathetic if you back down when you are being disrespected. As a man, you really have to be on your game, psychologically, to handle that form of female aggression and maintain your self respect because it is outside of male power structures.
And nothing I've mentioned here even touches on toxic narcissistic people of both sexes in the workplace.
Developers with some experience do not write code that fails against easy sql-injection.
I wrote my own persistence layer that filters the inputs and generates the SQL based on what is valid for the application, it's amazing what can be achieved with the strategy design pattern. That wasn't the prime motivation for writing a persistence layer, however it was a great by product.
Nicely done. For all intents and purposes Firebug was quite good at intensive purposes, like web development. Killing it makes me realize its a doggy dog world.
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It turns out, actually, that humans are very good at solving problems. Once we clearly identify a problem, there are a lot of people who are willing to work hard at finding solutions.
True that.
The drop in production of ozone destroying CFCs started well before the Montreal protocol-- humans stopped using the ozone-destroying CFCs without being legally required to.
Whilst not speaking to cause the UNEP ozone secretariat does report on ozone consumption per its obligations under the Montreal Protocol. It reports consumption and effect of ozone through reporting mechanisms.
The US's consumption can be clearly seen using the Data Reporting Tool and it is in line with the consumption of the producer, The Paducah nuclear fuel enrichment facility for the years it was operating.
I think you are right to say that industry did a good job of reducing their consumption, they did. I looked at the EPA data in 2009 and Paducah facilities consumption was five times that of the second largest consumer in the US. Consequently if you look at the UNEP data the US submitted for the years 2000-2016 you will see Paducah's consumption during operation, winding down and retirement was large enough to maintain the hole in the ozone layer.
I would post a link to the EPA data however it is no longer available online.
Until 25 years ago every can of spray and every fridge was "powered" by CFCs, since we abolished them the Ozone layer is recovering slowly.
However the Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant was the largest emitter of CFC114 into the atmosphere for many years due to the miles of pipes that it used to pump the gas to enrich uranium in the form of Uranium hexafluoride or "Hex". CFC-114 was one of the gasses known to deplete the ozone layer and was regulated by the Montreal Protocol. The Nuclear Industry had an exemption to the M.P so it could use CFC114 in the enrichment process and while it was still operating it leaked over a ton of CFC114 into the atmosphere each day of those 25 or so, years. The plant was closed down in 2013 so it isn't very surprising that the hole in the ozone layer is starting to recover.
CFC114 is the primary chemical input to enriching Nuclear fuel prior to its use in Nuclear Reactors. Several years ago I was curious about this and I used data available from the US EPA web site on licenced CFC emitters and discovered that the largest emitter there was from the Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant. Its a shame the EPA has had so much of their potency knobbled for political expediency of both sides because this is a great example of how it produces positive results in the long term.
It shows humans can fix problems when we are open and honest about the data and what it means, that our systems can work when we let them.
In the original Sumerian writing, from which these words are derived from the word "Gir", which is the first and original word for "God".
Gir is very much like Grr which is what dogs do. And dog spelt backwards is god. Coincidence? I leave it for you to decide.
There is a difference between trying to pass of juvenile ignorance as enlightenment and tracing ideas through language. I can see you have difficulty with spelling spelled, so unless you are talking about some sort of weird grain all your trite sentence does is demonstrates stupidity.
No one cares if you are a infant spiritually, you couldn't read the bible if you tried because it is very complex and probably beyond you. Of course you'll fall back on all sorts of excuses why you won't to try to mask why you can't so I decided, long ago that big ideas, like "God", are to big for small minds.
an atheist has faith that God does not exist
This is simply false. I do not believe that God exists for the same reason I don't believe Father Christmas or the Tooth Fairy exist, which is because there is nothing to show that they do exist.
There is no scientific explanation for consciousness and nothing to show it exists. So your argument has already failed. That shows how poorly thought out your position is.
It is kind of ironic that right now Google is facing a lawsuit for discriminating against women, and also one for discriminating against men. Where will the insanity end??
When we start discriminating against people for machines.
Don't let him anywhere near it.
Sure, however they still built it despite all that. They mobilized a skilled workforce of what must have been thousands of people for a tomb with no names to credit who built it.
They want us to ask why and they have put an enigma right in our face to solve so we do.
it wouldn't prove that was when they were built.
True, my bad, I was posting tired and messed up what I meant to say: that the builders of the Pyramids want us to look at this period of history very closely and they went to a lot of effort to get our attention for when we were sophisticated enough to understand the message.
So what? You could probably find a star or two they all aligned with 20,817 years ago
Well they are aligning with clusters of stars in theme with what is on the ground. The three great pyramids align with Orion, 10500 y/a . The Sphinx (a lion) with Leo 10500 y/a, Angkor Wat with Draco 10500 y/a. Stonehenge and Easter Island also align with star clusters (I think a bull at Stonehenge on the hills, with Taurus in the sky 10500 y/a IIRC).
So the builders have gone to a lot of trouble to make us realize it is deliberate.
No, that doesn't suggest that the pyramids were built around 10,500 BCE.
You're right, I made a mistake, apologies.
What I meant is that the builders of this structure want us to look at this time in our history because it is important enough to build a massive structure like the pyramids to get everyone's attention.
If what you say is true, it suggests is that Egyptian astronomy goes back that far and that Egyptians had great astronomical charts. Also that says their surveying technology would be good enough to align structures to stars that hadn't been in position for 8,000 years.
Indeed. The sobering thing though is the Sphinx, claimed to be 4000 years old exhibits the weathering of a structure 35000 or more years old and erosion from thousands of years of rain when there hasn't been rain on the Giza plateau for about 8000 years(IIRC).
That flies in the face of our conventional view that the history of human civilization started 10,000 years ago.
Why 10500? Significant events perhaps.
It is around the same time as The Younger Dryas a period of sudden climate change when the Ice age ended. The general consensus is gradual climate change, ended the ice age, gradualism.
However more and more evidence is emerging to support the theory that there was a sudden change that was not completely global.
The hypothesis for this change is that the Earth was impacted by one or more comets or asteroids assembled like a few kilometres of gravel slushie.
for fuck sake, you don't recognize the Golden Mean?
I always thought that the Pyramids had all the architectural genius of a pile of dirt.
Then you obviously don't know very much about them because the Pyramids are a wonder of math. They are *the* most culturally significant works our entire race have ever produced. The genius they encapsulate are so mind boggling in scope that it shows we are spiritual infants and mathematical simpletons by comparison.
I don't think our society could produce this quality of work. Ancient Egyptians had the Left brain school of Mathematics and the Right Brain School of Spirituality and the Pyramids are the work of the best of our entire species, Mankind's Opus Magnum. Culturally, they are humanity at it's greatest. The sheer task of designing it, and project managing those with enough skills to build it, alone, is a spectacular achievement.
A large, regularly shaped pile of dirt demonstrating some limited knowledge of astronomy.
The Great Pyramid encodes a great deal of information:
of the Earth and draw a diamond in the oval the corners are equidistant from the centre of the Earth, the North Pole and the great Pyramid (the other edge in the ocean). Somewhat ironically the four points are Water, Earth, Air and Fire.
And that is just the fascinating math of the Great pyramid, Pythagoras is said to have derived his theorems from a study of the Great Pyramid and when you look at them this way there is little doubt they are a masterpiece monument to mathematics, which is so much more than boring tombs, IMHO.
It's like Soviet era construction, but more so: The bigger and thicker you build it, the longer it will stand.
Sometimes, thats the point. When you build a clock to measure time on a scale of Ages, that's what you do. If you're a civilization that last thousands of years and you generate enough surplus to employ skilled people to build the Pyramids, you can build something to measure the longevity of your society. You can make notes about the zodiacal signs that pass by and figure out things about the Earths wobble.
The three pyramids align with Orion in its configuration 10500 years ago, whilst the Sphinx aligns with Leo 10500 years ago. Other information is also encoded in the placement of the three Pyramids in relation to the solar system. It maybe co-incidence however it certainly isn't random, especially when you consider that the Golden Ratio is expressed in the distance between the Great Pyramid, Angkor Wat and Easter Island which themselve
Human standards do, religious standards supposedly don't. The ten commandments are still the ten commandments, unchanged for thousands of years and it is not up to man to change God's rules.
Well, that is until you find in the Egyptian Book of the Dead there are 42 commandments from which Ten were derived.
They already knew the ending of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
There is no evidence that the pyramids were built by slave labor.
And lots of evidence that they were built by people skilled in their craft.
Alchemy yes, but not distillation.
Alchemy means "The way of Egypt" because Egypt is the land of Khem. Yes, that is also where the word "Chemistry" was derived from.
Also Fermentation, because they really, really, really, reeeaaaally loved BEER!!!
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The Great Pyramid at Giza was built around 2580–2560 BCE.
The evidence emerging suggests that the pyramids were built around 10500 BC. One of the pieces of evidence is that all three pyramids align with the constellation Orion in its configuration 10500 years ago.
The Sphinx also aligns with the constellation Leo in its configuration 10500 years ago, suggesting deliberate intent and you can find similar star alignments for 10500 years ago in other megalithic structures.
The builders of these structures were not fools or cavemen, you can see that in the complexity of the math represented in the Pyramids, and they are trying to tell us something very important.
Allah does not mean "god" in Arabic. It is a loan word from a much older culture from Mesopotamia called the Akkadian empire.
Which is a misinterpretation propagated by the slang humans have a tendency to do.
In those cultures (Mesopotamia, Akkadian ) it was a derivation of a word that meant 'Lofty Ones' in the older culture. I.e God is a contraction of 'gods' because it is the same idea.
In the original Sumerian writing, from which these words are derived from the word "Gir", which is the first and original word for "God".
And in that language "Gir" is a plural.
There can be no exceptions!
If you talk about this you are either sexist or virtue signaling, there is very little room for being a geek or nerd in this conversation without being called one of these two things in a polarizing debate, everyone seems to be trying to win instead of settle.
Ok, that said, I want to point out something that seems obvious to me. Much of this conversation revolves around competence instead of interest in the field. Second thing I notice is women have different power structures to men and this is something we have never incorporated in the workplace, as peers, before. So how do you do that?
I'm happy to say, I've worked with competent women early in my career, one a C programmer another a systems administrator and it was great because they were sane and interested in what I was interested in. The power structure was male our relative interests and it worked. No-one thought about it, we were all too busy to notice.
The next relevant example that comes to mind, was my fault. I hired, who I thought, was the best candidate on paper however, in practice she was fucking lazy, excuses, excuses, excuses and a real dead-weight in the team. Plus, she wanted to fuck me, to the point it was almost sexual harassment (not unattractive, I simply wasn't interested in her and the whole woman scorned thing) and all I could see was a manipulative person. Fortunately my boss was a woman and there were no illusions about competency in her mind, she recognized what was happening and she used female power structures to deal with the issue, ended up having her transferred and I had to block her emails, chat and phone. Not as if the project wasn't hard enough.
Last was my external experience of female power structures on competent women. Two females in a dominant role with questionable competence encountering a young, attractive woman competent interested in the technology. Asking intelligent questions, thinking about them, going away to work things out and coming back to discuss progress and next step, I genuinely respected her attitude to learning. The two dominant females absolutely destroyed her self-esteem and she left, it was disgusting, but showed that women have power structures completely different from men.
So, from my observations, if you are going to have women in the team, you need to find a competent matriarch figure aligned with the business that can assert female dominance because, as a man, if you are challenged by a woman you can't assert physical dominance the way you would with a man (men know what to expect from each other) and you are just pathetic if you back down when you are being disrespected. As a man, you really have to be on your game, psychologically, to handle that form of female aggression and maintain your self respect because it is outside of male power structures.
And nothing I've mentioned here even touches on toxic narcissistic people of both sexes in the workplace.
Developers with some experience do not write code that fails against easy sql-injection.
I wrote my own persistence layer that filters the inputs and generates the SQL based on what is valid for the application, it's amazing what can be achieved with the strategy design pattern. That wasn't the prime motivation for writing a persistence layer, however it was a great by product.
Dog eat dog.
Whoooooossssshhhhhh!
for all intensive purposes.
Nicely done. For all intents and purposes Firebug was quite good at intensive purposes, like web development. Killing it makes me realize its a doggy dog world.
It just doesn't add up.
All I'm saying is that if enough people get pissed off, it's bad for everyone.