Communicating with satellites from the bottom of the sea would take a lot of power.
Agreed, but if the plane was transmitting GPS coordinates up until the box went under water, we'd know exactly where it was and where to look for it.
You've picked a really inconvenient time to use logic and reasoning as I have run out of mod points. GPS means accurate time, so that means accurate longitude and latitude could be transmitted as well. It would all fit in about 140 bytes (like a plane making a tweet) and with a frequency of 1 per minute a plane traveling at 800kph would have a search area of roughly 14kms and there is no reason a plane in distress could increase the frequency of its positional tweets to reduce the search area.
The only question is why aren't they doing this already? Even civilian GPS was accurate to 10 metres in the 90s.
It's probable radionucides released into biomes from our experiments and accidents from nuclear power will alter the genome of humanity and increase the prevalence of transgenic disease over time, along with pregnancies that fail to come to term.
Societies need energy and the fact that some materials are fissionable as a source of energy raises the possibility that other species in the galaxy may go through this phase as well. If we consider that fissionable materials have the capacity to alter DNA in a really aggressive way then mastery of this societal phase is necessary for a societies survival and, perhaps, this is an extinction scenario that can explain the Fermi paradox.
Not a war, but a slow choking of a species reproductive capacity.
Hello rockdoctor - forgive the OT however you're the only geologist I know ( I think you are a geologist). I tried a bit of a search but I don't even know where to look.
How hard is it for nature to form pyramid shaped rocks with a square base?
Look at what a horrific disaster all those exploding reactors have been on navy ships and submarines!
It's the man, not the machine. Rickover is the man. The way Thresher imploded sounded like a pretty gruesome way to go, at least it was quick. I think it was that disaster that drove safety into the certification of the subs for a certain depth.
Not to mention the ecological disaster that there would be if evil radiation were to leak in space!
It would be a great use in space. Not so keen on them launching with them. Great that it's LEU, that engine would still be pretty hot coming back, so yeah as long as it stays in space it would be great.
Does anyone seriously think it's going to happen though?
You asserted that "This whole 'thing' about NK is a cover...", which I'm trying to get through your skull, isn't a logical conclusion.
Politics isn't a logical business.
The U.S. doesn't need a "cover" if it wanted to make those deployments, and the entire premise is that we want to use them.
Yes, as a tool to prevent retaliation to a preemptive US first strike, and the reality is you have people in control of your weapons systems who advocate this. Are you going to lie and say that isn't the case.
Who the fuck is going to attempt a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the US? A. No-one, they would be evaporated 5 minutes later. ergo THAAD, ABM, Star Wars is a psychological weapon to tell the world the US can launch a pre-emptive strike at will and there is fuck all the rest of the world can do about it.
Yeah, there are plenty of idiots who make asinine comments about turning NK (or some other place) to glass, but that's not going to happen w/o us being attacked first
Spare me the pontification, the US has started more wars/insurgencies/police action or whatever other weasel words you call them since the end of WWII than any other country. You have more military bases in more countries around the world. You spend as much as the rest of the world combined on your military budget, it's why your health care system is so fucked.
And be realistic, Iraq, Libya gave up there nuclear weapons and look what happened to them. As fucked as what is happening to the NK people under Kim jun wotevs I'm pretty sure he saw that and went "fuck! the US will invade you if you don't have nukes". So no, you guys create your enemies by enforcing your interests in the world and until the good people of the US start to own this behavior and take responsibility for it nothing will change.
George. WarTimePresident. Bush, revoked the crude oil shipment deal it make with NK after the US K.war, which was made so that NK wouldn't start playing with nukes. Surprise, soon after, NK started playing with nukes. Don't say 'Why do they hate us', you make em, it's you, get it.
(though I'll grant that this is only my opinion as someone who's worked in and around the business for 40+ years).
Great, your the guy making the policy decision about the strategic use of nuclear weapons. Reckon you could back off a bit and stop pushing the rest of the world around. If we were in a bar and I was your mate I'd be saying to you "hey man chill out a bit, you're being a dick". That's what I'm trying to get through your skull.
Our allies (South Korea, Israel, Taiwan, Japan, UAE, Oman, etc.) have specifically made requests for missile defense products such as Patriot and THAAD.
Look mate, as an ally, we're not stupid, we can see what you are doing so stop lying to yourself. Of course they have asked for them, different horse for different courses. You think your own country has a linear approach to deployment of these assets and goes "Gee wiz Chuck, that country doesn't want us to deploy our military assets here, guess we should just go home". No, your US assets are deployed with US strategic interests as the number 1 consideration by any means necessary.
Answer this, don't avoid it: Would the US tolerate a Russian ABM system deployed to Cuba, Canada or Mexico? Seriously mate, be realistic.
So, yeah, I'm sure it's just a big cover story to allow the U.S. to have a protected first strike ability, because that's what we're really trying to accomplish...duh.
Uh, yeah, that's exactly what you have *always* been trying to do since the eighties. Power begets power and the US is the only superpower, of course the US seeks a protected first strike ability, don't be so naive. As an ally, I get it, as a friend I'm telling you the way the US conducts itself in the world isn't friendly.
Ah, I see where I have erred, my apologies, I am only human so thank you for the opportunity to clarify:
THAAD prevents retaliation to a US first strike from the geographic regions it is deployed.
"What has that got to do with deploying that capability? ABM/THAAD is being deployed around the world, that is the point."
It has everything to do with the earlier bullshit you claimed: "It's name is THAAD [wikipedia.org] a system that enables first strike capability."
Does the deployment of THAAD allow the US a first strike option with protection from retaliation. Yes it does.
Your statement was factually incorrect, and now that I've pointed it out to you twice, you want to whine that I've been rude, or made assumptions?
Yes it was, my statement didn't specify that with THAAD deployed the US is protected from retaliatory strikes from other nations if the US decided to use a first strike option. That is why the US is deploying THAAD around the world and NK is a press beat up to cover the operation to deploy THAAD around the world so that the US can engage in a first strike option without the fear of retaliation.
Does that make it clear enough? Or are you going to tell me the US already has some sort of 'star wars' program that already has been deployed and the US already can make a nuclear first strike and be protected from retaliation.
As if the U.S. hasn't had first strike capability for decades.
What has that got to do with deploying that capability? ABM/THAAD is being deployed around the world, that is the point.
But don't let that interfere with your facts.
and which ones are you basing your 'opinions' on? Apply some simple logic to what you are saying, where are the deployments supposed to be, how will that be achieved. Don't be rude just because what I say challenges your assumptions especially when the only thing you have to defend your assumptions is another assumption.
Such an idiotic response. Terminal High Altitude Area Defense. Do you understand what 'kinetic' energy is and why explosives aren't needed. Every time you respond you demonstrate your ignorants, so don't talk to me about kool-aid pal, it's what mockingbirds drink.
Completely incorrect. THAAD is missile defense. It doesn't even carry a payload. You clearly didn't read your own link as it contradicts your other statements.
It doesn't need a payload, its kinetic energy destroys the missile as it is being launched. There is nothing contradictory about the US deploying an Anti Ballistic Missile system to garner a first strike capability. That is what THAAD is for and that is what the beat up about NK is all about, press cover as they deploy it.
Indeed, part of the deal after the Korean war was to supply NK with crude oil for power and heat. GWB shut that down and NK said they would restart a nuclear program. Which they have.
I remember just before that NK and SK were getting very close to settling their differences.
Given America's track record of betrayal, NK would be nuts to give up their deterrent.
This whole 'thing' about NK is a cover while the US deploy's Anti-Ballistic-Missile installations around the world, especially around China and Russia.
It's name is THAAD a system that enables first strike capability. American "leaders" must think that everything will be ok if they have first strike capability and can nuke the rest of the world.
It's true that Plutonium is highly toxic, but an airborne particle is probably not enough to cause significant health effects from that (the toxology profile suggests the level for that is 10 ppm)
This is talking about plutonium oxide and not plutonium chloride which is more soluble.
This was interesting:
Inhaled plutonium that has entered the blood appears to be largely bound to transferrin and becomes associated with iron-binding proteins such as ferritin and lipofuscin upon entering hepatocytes
Iron-binding, as in it's an iron analogue to the body. So this seems to be saying that plutonium oxide does becomes organically bound, which means it can accumulate in the lungs, dammit, I thought it was exhaled. I thought that only plutonium chloride was organically bound.
Thanks this is an interesting paper, is there a similar paper for water bound plutonium chloride?
It is (was now) illegal for NZ to spy on it's own citizens
This is a direct component of the Eschelon SI G-INT agreement commonly known as 5 I's. The US and NZ are signatories and have an agreement in place. I have it around somewhere from when I read it and IIRC, the way it works is as you say, NZ isn't allowed to sp y on domestic citizens, however NZ government is able to get around this by using intelligence sharing agreements. One member of the agreement spies on another member, generally with consent.
and the US was using NZ to do the dirty work.
This is the point of difference in the agreement. NZ can't do the dirty work on its own citizens legally and the US doesn't need NZ to do it. Under the agreement, the US can just do it with technological means in place, legally or not.
This applies to US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. We spy on each other countries citizens as a part of the hangover from WWII and the Cold war. It's kind of shit that we undermine each other's democracies like that and, in reading them, I've found that our countries telecommunications intercept laws are mostly standardized to within what is constitutionally allowable in each country.
The GCSB said that they thought it was legal but then continued to spy on KDC for two months after they found out it was illegal.
GCSB was probably a client to information from N SA tools installed on NZ citizen's phones. More than likely the N SA just kept using their tools. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bit of an up yours to the NZ government for not co-operating.
The US can see him, knows where he is but can't arrest and deport because the NZ government doesn't want to endure the press it would attract that the US can come into their country to arrest and deport a NZ citizen. There are different agreements for people on the ground to physically arrest KDC which must involve a local process of law. No country is going to give up their sovereignty, even if it is the US asking.
And I have no doubt the KDC has got some very big Mauri blokes looking after him after his experiences regardless.
So, you are saying the decommissioning process is going well?
No, I'm saying you attempt to falsify reality in pursuit of your idealogy.
I'm saying TEPCO are clearly not capable, willfully and criminally negligent. I'm saying the sooner this is resolved with an international effort the lower the overall impact will be.
They have no sign of uncontrolled release of radiation, and the exploratory robots are working well. I didn't look at all the photos in detail, is there a North Korean spy that was caught in one of the frames or something?
I'm not sure what you think I'm supposed to take away from this.
It's clear you see this as a political issue and not a radiological issue that will affect the genome of every species on the planet for the forseeable future. It's clear you are not stupid but willfully ignorant and actively deny fact placed before you. Your comments are so dogmatically skeptical the only logical conclusion to draw is that you are either a paid troll with an adgenda or a useful idiot prepared to pathologize your own perception of reality in pursuit of your idealogy.
Take away that your trolling is so obviously professional it's unlikeley I'm the only one who can see through the bullshit of your agenda.
I am ignorant because I am an idealogue. I am an idealogue because I am ignorant.
You are an enemy of freedom because you are an enemy of truth. You are an enemy of truth because you are an enemy of freedom.
I meant to point that out to you last time we conversed however something more important came up. I appreciate you delivering an opportunity to excoriate you and once again be entertained by your display of mental gymnastics around the facts.
To say that our lives are pointless and our achievements meaningless is to state the obvious
Tell that to people dedicated enough to spend two years of their life advancing some field of human knowledge to benefit all people.
“It taught me perseverance, of course,” he said. “But more important than the ability to finish what you start is what I now see as the moral goodness of finishing what you start.” Curry has already moved on to another endurance challenge, set in the preceding game in the series, Final Fantasy VI
So instead of using the lesson he learned from wasting his time on a pointless endeavour, he is going to waste more time on it.
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They've searched the current search area and found nothing. The next step is to start looking in a different search area.
It'll probably show up on google earth one day.
Communicating with satellites from the bottom of the sea would take a lot of power.
Agreed, but if the plane was transmitting GPS coordinates up until the box went under water, we'd know exactly where it was and where to look for it.
You've picked a really inconvenient time to use logic and reasoning as I have run out of mod points. GPS means accurate time, so that means accurate longitude and latitude could be transmitted as well. It would all fit in about 140 bytes (like a plane making a tweet) and with a frequency of 1 per minute a plane traveling at 800kph would have a search area of roughly 14kms and there is no reason a plane in distress could increase the frequency of its positional tweets to reduce the search area.
The only question is why aren't they doing this already? Even civilian GPS was accurate to 10 metres in the 90s.
And transgenic disease over generations? Or are we at the stage that we need to keep altering our DNA to avoid that?
So by these principles of mediocrity is all civilised life also bipedal, with two eyes, two arms, and five digits on each extremity?
Yes, with the same brain capacity and the same limited understanding of physics that we do. It's the most logical explanation.
It's probable radionucides released into biomes from our experiments and accidents from nuclear power will alter the genome of humanity and increase the prevalence of transgenic disease over time, along with pregnancies that fail to come to term.
Societies need energy and the fact that some materials are fissionable as a source of energy raises the possibility that other species in the galaxy may go through this phase as well. If we consider that fissionable materials have the capacity to alter DNA in a really aggressive way then mastery of this societal phase is necessary for a societies survival and, perhaps, this is an extinction scenario that can explain the Fermi paradox.
Not a war, but a slow choking of a species reproductive capacity.
Hello rockdoctor - forgive the OT however you're the only geologist I know ( I think you are a geologist). I tried a bit of a search but I don't even know where to look.
How hard is it for nature to form pyramid shaped rocks with a square base?
It would be a great use in space. Not so keen on them launching with them.
One word: Bluegill
Thanks, I forgot all about EMP.
Look at what a horrific disaster all those exploding reactors have been on navy ships and submarines!
It's the man, not the machine. Rickover is the man. The way Thresher imploded sounded like a pretty gruesome way to go, at least it was quick. I think it was that disaster that drove safety into the certification of the subs for a certain depth.
Not to mention the ecological disaster that there would be if evil radiation were to leak in space!
It would be a great use in space. Not so keen on them launching with them. Great that it's LEU, that engine would still be pretty hot coming back, so yeah as long as it stays in space it would be great.
Does anyone seriously think it's going to happen though?
You asserted that "This whole 'thing' about NK is a cover...", which I'm trying to get through your skull, isn't a logical conclusion.
Politics isn't a logical business.
The U.S. doesn't need a "cover" if it wanted to make those deployments, and the entire premise is that we want to use them.
Yes, as a tool to prevent retaliation to a preemptive US first strike, and the reality is you have people in control of your weapons systems who advocate this. Are you going to lie and say that isn't the case.
Who the fuck is going to attempt a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the US? A. No-one, they would be evaporated 5 minutes later. ergo THAAD, ABM, Star Wars is a psychological weapon to tell the world the US can launch a pre-emptive strike at will and there is fuck all the rest of the world can do about it.
Yeah, there are plenty of idiots who make asinine comments about turning NK (or some other place) to glass, but that's not going to happen w/o us being attacked first
Spare me the pontification, the US has started more wars/insurgencies/police action or whatever other weasel words you call them since the end of WWII than any other country. You have more military bases in more countries around the world. You spend as much as the rest of the world combined on your military budget, it's why your health care system is so fucked.
And be realistic, Iraq, Libya gave up there nuclear weapons and look what happened to them. As fucked as what is happening to the NK people under Kim jun wotevs I'm pretty sure he saw that and went "fuck! the US will invade you if you don't have nukes". So no, you guys create your enemies by enforcing your interests in the world and until the good people of the US start to own this behavior and take responsibility for it nothing will change.
George. WarTimePresident. Bush, revoked the crude oil shipment deal it make with NK after the US K.war, which was made so that NK wouldn't start playing with nukes. Surprise, soon after, NK started playing with nukes. Don't say 'Why do they hate us', you make em, it's you, get it.
(though I'll grant that this is only my opinion as someone who's worked in and around the business for 40+ years).
Great, your the guy making the policy decision about the strategic use of nuclear weapons. Reckon you could back off a bit and stop pushing the rest of the world around. If we were in a bar and I was your mate I'd be saying to you "hey man chill out a bit, you're being a dick". That's what I'm trying to get through your skull.
Our allies (South Korea, Israel, Taiwan, Japan, UAE, Oman, etc.) have specifically made requests for missile defense products such as Patriot and THAAD.
Look mate, as an ally, we're not stupid, we can see what you are doing so stop lying to yourself. Of course they have asked for them, different horse for different courses. You think your own country has a linear approach to deployment of these assets and goes "Gee wiz Chuck, that country doesn't want us to deploy our military assets here, guess we should just go home". No, your US assets are deployed with US strategic interests as the number 1 consideration by any means necessary.
Answer this, don't avoid it: Would the US tolerate a Russian ABM system deployed to Cuba, Canada or Mexico? Seriously mate, be realistic.
So, yeah, I'm sure it's just a big cover story to allow the U.S. to have a protected first strike ability, because that's what we're really trying to accomplish...duh.
Uh, yeah, that's exactly what you have *always* been trying to do since the eighties. Power begets power and the US is the only superpower, of course the US seeks a protected first strike ability, don't be so naive. As an ally, I get it, as a friend I'm telling you the way the US conducts itself in the world isn't friendly.
"Apply some simple logic "
Back at ya.
Ah, I see where I have erred, my apologies, I am only human so thank you for the opportunity to clarify:
THAAD prevents retaliation to a US first strike from the geographic regions it is deployed.
"What has that got to do with deploying that capability? ABM/THAAD is being deployed around the world, that is the point."
It has everything to do with the earlier bullshit you claimed: "It's name is THAAD [wikipedia.org] a system that enables first strike capability."
Does the deployment of THAAD allow the US a first strike option with protection from retaliation. Yes it does.
Your statement was factually incorrect, and now that I've pointed it out to you twice, you want to whine that I've been rude, or made assumptions?
Yes it was, my statement didn't specify that with THAAD deployed the US is protected from retaliatory strikes from other nations if the US decided to use a first strike option. That is why the US is deploying THAAD around the world and NK is a press beat up to cover the operation to deploy THAAD around the world so that the US can engage in a first strike option without the fear of retaliation.
Does that make it clear enough? Or are you going to tell me the US already has some sort of 'star wars' program that already has been deployed and the US already can make a nuclear first strike and be protected from retaliation.
As if the U.S. hasn't had first strike capability for decades.
What has that got to do with deploying that capability? ABM/THAAD is being deployed around the world, that is the point.
But don't let that interfere with your facts.
and which ones are you basing your 'opinions' on? Apply some simple logic to what you are saying, where are the deployments supposed to be, how will that be achieved. Don't be rude just because what I say challenges your assumptions especially when the only thing you have to defend your assumptions is another assumption.
Such an idiotic response. Terminal High Altitude Area Defense. Do you understand what 'kinetic' energy is and why explosives aren't needed. Every time you respond you demonstrate your ignorants, so don't talk to me about kool-aid pal, it's what mockingbirds drink.
Completely incorrect. THAAD is missile defense. It doesn't even carry a payload. You clearly didn't read your own link as it contradicts your other statements.
It doesn't need a payload, its kinetic energy destroys the missile as it is being launched. There is nothing contradictory about the US deploying an Anti Ballistic Missile system to garner a first strike capability. That is what THAAD is for and that is what the beat up about NK is all about, press cover as they deploy it.
I was just thinking about the part where a robot directs other robots that work next to humans. What could possibly go wrong?!
Metal robots and meat robots fall in love and create a metal meat robot.
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Indeed, part of the deal after the Korean war was to supply NK with crude oil for power and heat. GWB shut that down and NK said they would restart a nuclear program. Which they have.
I remember just before that NK and SK were getting very close to settling their differences.
Given America's track record of betrayal, NK would be nuts to give up their deterrent.
This whole 'thing' about NK is a cover while the US deploy's Anti-Ballistic-Missile installations around the world, especially around China and Russia.
It's name is THAAD a system that enables first strike capability. American "leaders" must think that everything will be ok if they have first strike capability and can nuke the rest of the world.
Yes, like when someone is severely bleeding or when they have a marrow transplant.
It's true that Plutonium is highly toxic, but an airborne particle is probably not enough to cause significant health effects from that (the toxology profile suggests the level for that is 10 ppm)
This is talking about plutonium oxide and not plutonium chloride which is more soluble.
Iron-binding, as in it's an iron analogue to the body. So this seems to be saying that plutonium oxide does becomes organically bound, which means it can accumulate in the lungs, dammit, I thought it was exhaled. I thought that only plutonium chloride was organically bound.
Thanks this is an interesting paper, is there a similar paper for water bound plutonium chloride?
It is (was now) illegal for NZ to spy on it's own citizens
This is a direct component of the Eschelon SI G-INT agreement commonly known as 5 I's. The US and NZ are signatories and have an agreement in place. I have it around somewhere from when I read it and IIRC, the way it works is as you say, NZ isn't allowed to sp y on domestic citizens, however NZ government is able to get around this by using intelligence sharing agreements. One member of the agreement spies on another member, generally with consent.
and the US was using NZ to do the dirty work.
This is the point of difference in the agreement. NZ can't do the dirty work on its own citizens legally and the US doesn't need NZ to do it. Under the agreement, the US can just do it with technological means in place, legally or not.
This applies to US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. We spy on each other countries citizens as a part of the hangover from WWII and the Cold war. It's kind of shit that we undermine each other's democracies like that and, in reading them, I've found that our countries telecommunications intercept laws are mostly standardized to within what is constitutionally allowable in each country.
The GCSB said that they thought it was legal but then continued to spy on KDC for two months after they found out it was illegal.
GCSB was probably a client to information from N SA tools installed on NZ citizen's phones. More than likely the N SA just kept using their tools. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bit of an up yours to the NZ government for not co-operating.
The US can see him, knows where he is but can't arrest and deport because the NZ government doesn't want to endure the press it would attract that the US can come into their country to arrest and deport a NZ citizen. There are different agreements for people on the ground to physically arrest KDC which must involve a local process of law. No country is going to give up their sovereignty, even if it is the US asking.
And I have no doubt the KDC has got some very big Mauri blokes looking after him after his experiences regardless.
+++Insightful
yeah, I got a neo 1973 buried away somewhere too. I couldn't get over that it looked like fischer price toy.
No, I'm saying you attempt to falsify reality in pursuit of your idealogy.
I'm saying TEPCO are clearly not capable, willfully and criminally negligent. I'm saying the sooner this is resolved with an international effort the lower the overall impact will be.
Everytime you tout your zealotry more of the truth you seek to conceal emerges. Everytime you boast of your ignorance, more fact emerges for everyone else to see. Everytime you fail to acknowledge the situation, more consequences are revealed. Over eight hundred thousand tons of highly radio active water in uncontrolled releases *so far*.
It's clear you see this as a political issue and not a radiological issue that will affect the genome of every species on the planet for the forseeable future. It's clear you are not stupid but willfully ignorant and actively deny fact placed before you. Your comments are so dogmatically skeptical the only logical conclusion to draw is that you are either a paid troll with an adgenda or a useful idiot prepared to pathologize your own perception of reality in pursuit of your idealogy.
Take away that your trolling is so obviously professional it's unlikeley I'm the only one who can see through the bullshit of your agenda.
You are an enemy of freedom because you are an enemy of truth. You are an enemy of truth because you are an enemy of freedom.
I meant to point that out to you last time we conversed however something more important came up. I appreciate you delivering an opportunity to excoriate you and once again be entertained by your display of mental gymnastics around the facts.
To say that our lives are pointless and our achievements meaningless is to state the obvious
Tell that to people dedicated enough to spend two years of their life advancing some field of human knowledge to benefit all people.
“It taught me perseverance, of course,” he said. “But more important than the ability to finish what you start is what I now see as the moral goodness of finishing what you start.” Curry has already moved on to another endurance challenge, set in the preceding game in the series, Final Fantasy VI
So instead of using the lesson he learned from wasting his time on a pointless endeavour, he is going to waste more time on it.
Some information about the status of Fukushima NPP:
A billion tons of triated water to be dumped into the pacific ocean
Unit 3 core elements found in the bottom of the pressure vessel
More pictures of melted fuel
Or perhaps a phallic victory.
Perhaps if he was winning against "Dick Brain" however I suspect David was just trying to curry favors.