Oh, well, I am glad the wrapper idea helps you...but there is still the issue of actually recognizing the shares as being active, which is different from them just existing, which is all my idea helps with.
If I understand you correctly, it sounds like you just want to replace shutdown with a wrapper script.
a) Move/sbin/shutdown to something like/sbin/shutdown.real.
b) Write a shell script called/sbin/shutdown that checks for your NFS mounts before invoking shutdown.real.
If you want to make it really fancy, you can do something like calling and parsing the output of 'df', comparing that to the contents of/etc/fstab...or just compare/etc/mtab to/etc/fstab. Whatever....just look to see that your have NFS mounts. If you do, don't shutdown; if you don't, go ahead and shutdown.
Is that what you want? If that *is* what you want, make sure you backup your wrapper and be aware that the next time you upgrade your base system, the wrapper will get blown away. Also make sure your wrapper script is passing all command options to the real shutdown.
Repeat: you are a fucking idiot. If you want EVERY SINGLE QUESTION answered for you, go watch some other movie whose writers treat you like the insipid mindless American worker drone that you are. Be a good boy, don't *think* for yourself; don't *think* about the movie; don't try to figure *anything* out; just take it all at face value and if it does not make sense, complain about the movie not living up to YOUR standards and answering all YOUR questions. Because, you know, the Wachowski Brothers were just trying to make YOU and YOU ALONE happy with this movie. It was the one true goal of their vision, to tailor all three movies to compensate specifically for your inability to think independently. Their work and the work of everyone who helped to make the movie was ALL FOR YOU. Just so. Right, now shut the fuck up and wait for the DVD. Because I just KNOW you are so outraged with this movie that you are gonna buy the DVD the day it comes out and BURN it as a sign of your utter contempt for this movie having so thoroughly disappointed YOU.
Aside from that...
Why is there such a racial leaning in Zion? No reason given.
Gee, maybe that is because in the REAL world, you know, the one you and I live in right now, on this entire planet, white people really are a MINORITY.
You know, you don't *have* to be such an ignorant penghis.
In case you did not know, there is a difference between using a tool and letting the tool run your life. Someone who uses Free Software is not necessarily free; not in the most important ways. I merely ask questions that we should all ask ourselves. Of course, I use a computer; but that does not mean that I loose sight of what is important in life.
But since you are such a level-headed, open-minded person, you must have already known all that, right?
If you are so attached to your computer that the software it runs *really* dictates how "free" or "enslaved" you are, then I think you have much bigger problems.
Computers, and the information they hold and route, that we are all so addicted to, are just toys. Computers are the ultimate distraction by which we, as a culture, impress ourselves with how clever we are. All the while, the quality of our lives becomes increasingly dominated by ones and zeros that don't really exist.
Think about it and tell me, how many hours of your life are spent in front of a computer that runs Free Software or not (it does not matter), *really* making the world a better place? How much of your self-worth is invested in the software you use or write, the games you play, the mp3 collection you build?
If your computer blew up today, how much of a life would you have?
I support RMS in many ways, he's the driving force which got us most of the free software we use today, indirectly or directly. But he fails to understand that freedom doesn't come all at once.
I think RMS fails to understand, or more likely, fails to recognize that true freedom means not only having the freedom to have free tools and free source code; but also having the freedom to not give away the source code.
Proprietary software is not evil. It is merely an excercise in another type of freedom. Even restrictive software licenses are not evil. Sure, we don't like them. But they don't *really* restrict our freedom.
Why? Because just as others are free to create and license proprietary software any way they please, we are all free to choose to use or not use that software. It's as simple as that.
See, *real* freedom is the freedom to *choose*. In some respects, RMS is just like Bill Gates. Both of them want us to not have choices. Bill wants us all stuck in Windows land. RMS sees us all being "free" as long as we all write and use free software.
Don't get me wrong. I use, support and respect Free Software. I also think that much propriatary software is not such a bad thing while still maintaing that many software licenses are pretty shitty. Would it be nice if *everyone* chose to write free software? Of course. But they have to *choose* to write free software.
And the thing about choices: when somebody makes a choice, as long as the choice was freely made, you have to respect it. It may be RMS, Linus, Larry or Bill. They all have the freedom to write and use the software they will. And so do we.
The 'system' Larry is referring to is CVS, not the entirety of GNU.
Try not to be such a penghis. Do you *really* think that Larry thinks that gcc is not decent? Do you *really* think Larry things that gdb, emacs, etc are not decent?
Larry is talking about BitKeeper relative to the 'competing', non-decent software, which is CVS.
And before you get on your high horse and be a penghis *again*, know that CVS is not so 'decent' as you would probably like to think it is.
If CVS were 'decent' there would be no need for BitKeeper. Oh wait, isn't that what Larry just said? I think it was. And just to come at it from the other angle, so you can rest assured that Larry is not being some sort of bigot: if CVS were *really* 'decent', there would be no need for Subversion either, which basically fixes most of what is not 'decent' with CVS.
But as we all know, Linux is only free if your time has no value, and I find that my time is better spent doing things other than the endless moving-target-upgrade dance.
For what it is worth, that is *exactly* why I switched from Linux to OS X for my primary desktop.
Besides, Apple hardware really is drop dead sexy.:)
Just to piss you off, I'm going to create my own distribution based on the Linux kernel, GNU software, and just for kicks, my own hot-to-trot, from-scratch version of Rendezvous called...er...HotToTrot, which will be GPL'd.
To make sure the system is pure GNU (other than Linux and HotToTrot) I will not incorporate any BSD utilities, Apache, Perl or any software that is not released exclusively under the GPL. I don't know how useful the system will be, but bear with me. I'm on a roll. I mean, if you want Apache, compile it yourself, dammit.
I will call my system Penix. I will register a trademark for Penix. Penix is my special OS. See my Penix? It is beautiful. In big bold letters on my website, I will laud the virtues of GNU and Linux and HotToTrot. I will link to gnu.org and linux.org and quote you and Linus extensively. No one will doubt that Penix is not only free, but made with GNU and Linux software. No one will doubt that I am giving credit where credit is due.
So, am I to understand that I am *still* a bad bad man if I don't call my system Penix/GNU/Linux???
Last year I moved myself from Chicago to Mountain View. I packed every worldly possession and two cats into my Subaru and a U-Haul trailer. Did the drive in 5 days, taking my time.
First suggestion: forget about the Internet, your job, and all your silly little fucking gadgets, pardon my French. You are driving across the country. Enjoy it. I do recommend having a cell phone just as an emergency communications device. Other than that, seriously, just enjoy the ride.
The country between Chicago and the West Coast is beautiful. You'll most likely be taking I-90/94 as I did. I recommend camping out in South Dakota's Badlands. I also recommend seeing Mount Rushmore, the Crazy Horse Monument and Devil's Tower. Don't forget about Yellowstone National Park.
I started out in this industry doing PC Desktop Support.
Then I was doing HTML.
Then I was doing Cold Fusion.
Then I was doing Perl.
Then I was doing Objective-C in WebObjects.
Then I was doing Perl and Java and XML. (Jakarta rocks!)
Along the way I picked up some Bash skills, some Emacs Lisp, some Python, some TK, some GTK and SQL including experience with Oracle, Informix, PostgreSQL and mySQL. Some of it was just for fun; some of it was for work.
I have learned about Linux and Solaris and a tad about AIX.
Now I am a web application programmer and team lead at Apple.
Repeat: I am 30 years old and I have a degree in English.
Do not think you cannot do what you want to do. Do not let your age or your background keep you from your dreams.
You'd give off an impression of burn out too, if people kept asking you the same fscking questions over and over and over.
I don't know how many times people have asked Linus his opinion on the the whole Linux vs. GNU/Linux debacle. He always answers the same way; and it is always "I couldn't care less".
If you are spending money on GNU/Linux for a first time install or an upgrade, you are making a conscious decision NOT to keep your money.
Remember, GNU/Linux is FREE.
Granted, some people may not have the resources or bandwidth to grab and ISO image and burn it, or to upgrade their Debian system via apt. So then, it is a matter of convenience to purchase a CD.
As for those who spend $50 or whatever the price is for RedHat or whatever other distro, you are still making the decision to spend your money on support or some included proprietary software and not the actual GNU/Linux, I hope.
Remember, GNU/Linux is FREE.
By all accounts, when you "pay" for some distro of GNU/Linux, you are not paying for GNU/Linux but for something associated with GNU/Linux by someone who wants or needs your money, like the CD, or some books or support or whatever.
I mean, jeeze, everybody knows you DON'T PAY FOR FREE SOFTWARE.
> I don't know if any other major author has tried this.
Umm...before the advent of the ubiquitous Internet, we had these things called books. Yes, books! And way back in the 1800's authors did not generally publish their novels in the form of a single volume book. Guys like William Thackary and Charles Dickens, maybe you have heard of them, had deals with the magazines of the time (periodicals they were called) to publish their novels chapter by chapter, in the order they were written. You see, they got paid by the chapter. And the novel as it was printed was called a *serial* publication. Isn't that fascinating? They even had a few pictures in each chapter to go with the events in the story. That is *so* amazing! I just cannot believe how advanced those Victorians were.
The drug movie you rarely hear about...
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Review: Blow
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Disclaimer: I have not seen Blow nor Traffic.
That being said, I would be willing to bet that neither film could hold up next to Requiem for a Dream.
I think this movie would be of particular interest to the/. crowd, as it was directed by Darren Aronofsky, of Pi fame.
I won't tell you anything about it. You really just have to see it.
I think what Gibson has to say in his article is very interesting. I also think a lot of the comments here on/. criticizing the article are very interesting.
However, I think it is important for people to remember that William Gibson is a novelist. He's a writer of fiction, not a journalist. He makes his trade by writing things that will evoke certain thoughts or feelings in his readership.
So, of course, his view of Japanese culture is going to be highly romanticized. He will cite events and reveal opinions in a manner that totally supports his main idea or theme, whether or not it is factually accurate or considers all other perspectives.
Just remember, he's a novelist, not a journalist. If you want objective journalism, you have to look to someone or something that represents the ideals of journalistic integrity. I mean, why do you think I read/.?
When it comes to deciding whether or not to use Linux in your work environment, these arguments are all very poor cop-outs.
Here is why. I used to do tech support for IBM Global Services for the Lucent account. Massive outsourcing effort. One of the first things my group did was enforce standardization of the desktop for our users. At the time, the standard desktop was Windows95 with Office95 and very specific network shares for specific groups. If you installed anything else on your system, you had to support it yourself. We only supported Windows95/Office95. Period.
So what is keeping the CTO of a given company from mandating that servers shall run Debian stable (for example) and nothing else? Workstations shall run Debian stable with Gnome/Gnumeric/Abiword and nothing else? Hell, you can enforce running RedHat servers sharing samba and Windows98 clients running KDE inside X servers for all I care.
The point is, Linux provides you with not only options and choices but the opportunity to build and control *any* type of environment that suites your business needs. If you cannot enforce standardization of your own business's computing environment, that is your own fault and is independent of OS or GUI.
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Und here vee av de skolelinux, bork bork bork.
Hey, maybe you should read ALL the definitions of the word athlete before you over impress everyone with your, what is that, stupidity?
To quote, for others who are perhaps too freaking LAZY to read down that far:
3. One fitted for, or skilled in, intellectual contests; as, athletes of debate.
So, yes, smartass; as dumb as it sounds, Gary Kasparov is a "Mind Athlete".
By the way, how the hell did you manage to spell athlete correctly the first them, but then incorrectly as athelete?
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Oh, well, I am glad the wrapper idea helps you...but there is still the issue of actually recognizing the shares as being active, which is different from them just existing, which is all my idea helps with.
Doh!
I just read a post below mine and realized I *completely* misunderstood the question.
Nevermind!
If I understand you correctly, it sounds like you just want to replace shutdown with a wrapper script.
/sbin/shutdown to something like /sbin/shutdown.real.
/sbin/shutdown that checks for your NFS mounts before invoking shutdown.real.
/etc/fstab...or just compare /etc/mtab to /etc/fstab. Whatever....just look to see that your have NFS mounts. If you do, don't shutdown; if you don't, go ahead and shutdown.
a) Move
b) Write a shell script called
If you want to make it really fancy, you can do something like calling and parsing the output of 'df', comparing that to the contents of
Is that what you want? If that *is* what you want, make sure you backup your wrapper and be aware that the next time you upgrade your base system, the wrapper will get blown away. Also make sure your wrapper script is passing all command options to the real shutdown.
Repeat: you are a fucking idiot. If you want EVERY SINGLE QUESTION answered for you, go watch some other movie whose writers treat you like the insipid mindless American worker drone that you are. Be a good boy, don't *think* for yourself; don't *think* about the movie; don't try to figure *anything* out; just take it all at face value and if it does not make sense, complain about the movie not living up to YOUR standards and answering all YOUR questions. Because, you know, the Wachowski Brothers were just trying to make YOU and YOU ALONE happy with this movie. It was the one true goal of their vision, to tailor all three movies to compensate specifically for your inability to think independently. Their work and the work of everyone who helped to make the movie was ALL FOR YOU. Just so. Right, now shut the fuck up and wait for the DVD. Because I just KNOW you are so outraged with this movie that you are gonna buy the DVD the day it comes out and BURN it as a sign of your utter contempt for this movie having so thoroughly disappointed YOU.
Aside from that...
Why is there such a racial leaning in Zion? No reason given.
Gee, maybe that is because in the REAL world, you know, the one you and I live in right now, on this entire planet, white people really are a MINORITY.
So who has such a "racial leaning"? Maybe you?
Again, sincerely: you are an idiot.
<rant>
In the Absence of the Sacred
Try THIS just after JUMPING THE FUCK OFF your snow vehicle.
Oh, you got me there!
You know, you don't *have* to be such an ignorant penghis.
In case you did not know, there is a difference between using a tool and letting the tool run your life. Someone who uses Free Software is not necessarily free; not in the most important ways. I merely ask questions that we should all ask ourselves. Of course, I use a computer; but that does not mean that I loose sight of what is important in life.
But since you are such a level-headed, open-minded person, you must have already known all that, right?
If you are so attached to your computer that the software it runs *really* dictates how "free" or "enslaved" you are, then I think you have much bigger problems.
Computers, and the information they hold and route, that we are all so addicted to, are just toys. Computers are the ultimate distraction by which we, as a culture, impress ourselves with how clever we are. All the while, the quality of our lives becomes increasingly dominated by ones and zeros that don't really exist.
Think about it and tell me, how many hours of your life are spent in front of a computer that runs Free Software or not (it does not matter), *really* making the world a better place? How much of your self-worth is invested in the software you use or write, the games you play, the mp3 collection you build?
If your computer blew up today, how much of a life would you have?
Now tell me who is enslaved and who is free.
I support RMS in many ways, he's the driving force which got us most of the free software we use today, indirectly or directly. But he fails to understand that freedom doesn't come all at once.
I think RMS fails to understand, or more likely, fails to recognize that true freedom means not only having the freedom to have free tools and free source code; but also having the freedom to not give away the source code.
Proprietary software is not evil. It is merely an excercise in another type of freedom. Even restrictive software licenses are not evil. Sure, we don't like them. But they don't *really* restrict our freedom.
Why? Because just as others are free to create and license proprietary software any way they please, we are all free to choose to use or not use that software. It's as simple as that.
See, *real* freedom is the freedom to *choose*. In some respects, RMS is just like Bill Gates. Both of them want us to not have choices. Bill wants us all stuck in Windows land. RMS sees us all being "free" as long as we all write and use free software.
Don't get me wrong. I use, support and respect Free Software. I also think that much propriatary software is not such a bad thing while still maintaing that many software licenses are pretty shitty. Would it be nice if *everyone* chose to write free software? Of course. But they have to *choose* to write free software.
And the thing about choices: when somebody makes a choice, as long as the choice was freely made, you have to respect it. It may be RMS, Linus, Larry or Bill. They all have the freedom to write and use the software they will. And so do we.
The 'system' Larry is referring to is CVS, not the entirety of GNU.
Try not to be such a penghis. Do you *really* think that Larry thinks that gcc is not decent? Do you *really* think Larry things that gdb, emacs, etc are not decent?
Larry is talking about BitKeeper relative to the 'competing', non-decent software, which is CVS.
And before you get on your high horse and be a penghis *again*, know that CVS is not so 'decent' as you would probably like to think it is.
If CVS were 'decent' there would be no need for BitKeeper. Oh wait, isn't that what Larry just said? I think it was. And just to come at it from the other angle, so you can rest assured that Larry is not being some sort of bigot: if CVS were *really* 'decent', there would be no need for Subversion either, which basically fixes most of what is not 'decent' with CVS.
So there, penghis.
The quote you are thinking of is here: http://www.jwz.org/doc/linux.html:
:)
But as we all know, Linux is only free if your time has no value, and I find that my time is better spent doing things other than the endless moving-target-upgrade dance.
For what it is worth, that is *exactly* why I switched from Linux to OS X for my primary desktop.
Besides, Apple hardware really is drop dead sexy.
Just to piss you off, I'm going to create my own distribution based on the Linux kernel, GNU software, and just for kicks, my own hot-to-trot, from-scratch version of Rendezvous called...er...HotToTrot, which will be GPL'd.
To make sure the system is pure GNU (other than Linux and HotToTrot) I will not incorporate any BSD utilities, Apache, Perl or any software that is not released exclusively under the GPL. I don't know how useful the system will be, but bear with me. I'm on a roll. I mean, if you want Apache, compile it yourself, dammit.
I will call my system Penix. I will register a trademark for Penix. Penix is my special OS. See my Penix? It is beautiful. In big bold letters on my website, I will laud the virtues of GNU and Linux and HotToTrot. I will link to gnu.org and linux.org and quote you and Linus extensively. No one will doubt that Penix is not only free, but made with GNU and Linux software. No one will doubt that I am giving credit where credit is due.
So, am I to understand that I am *still* a bad bad man if I don't call my system Penix/GNU/Linux???
Fsck you, RMS.
Last year I moved myself from Chicago to Mountain View. I packed every worldly possession and two cats into my Subaru and a U-Haul trailer. Did the drive in 5 days, taking my time.
First suggestion: forget about the Internet, your job, and all your silly little fucking gadgets, pardon my French. You are driving across the country. Enjoy it. I do recommend having a cell phone just as an emergency communications device. Other than that, seriously, just enjoy the ride.
The country between Chicago and the West Coast is beautiful. You'll most likely be taking I-90/94 as I did. I recommend camping out in South Dakota's Badlands. I also recommend seeing Mount Rushmore, the Crazy Horse Monument and Devil's Tower. Don't forget about Yellowstone National Park.
Dude!
That kid looks just like Boba Fett!
I am 30 years old and I have a degree in English.
I started out in this industry doing PC Desktop Support.
Then I was doing HTML.
Then I was doing Cold Fusion.
Then I was doing Perl.
Then I was doing Objective-C in WebObjects.
Then I was doing Perl and Java and XML. (Jakarta rocks!)
Along the way I picked up some Bash skills, some Emacs Lisp, some Python, some TK, some GTK and SQL including experience with Oracle, Informix, PostgreSQL and mySQL. Some of it was just for fun; some of it was for work.
I have learned about Linux and Solaris and a tad about AIX.
Now I am a web application programmer and team lead at Apple.
Repeat: I am 30 years old and I have a degree in English.
Do not think you cannot do what you want to do. Do not let your age or your background keep you from your dreams.
Coaster.
You'd give off an impression of burn out too, if people kept asking you the same fscking questions over and over and over.
I don't know how many times people have asked Linus his opinion on the the whole Linux vs. GNU/Linux debacle. He always answers the same way; and it is always "I couldn't care less".
If you are spending money on GNU/Linux for a first time install or an upgrade, you are making a conscious decision NOT to keep your money.
Remember, GNU/Linux is FREE.
Granted, some people may not have the resources or bandwidth to grab and ISO image and burn it, or to upgrade their Debian system via apt. So then, it is a matter of convenience to purchase a CD.
As for those who spend $50 or whatever the price is for RedHat or whatever other distro, you are still making the decision to spend your money on support or some included proprietary software and not the actual GNU/Linux, I hope.
Remember, GNU/Linux is FREE.
By all accounts, when you "pay" for some distro of GNU/Linux, you are not paying for GNU/Linux but for something associated with GNU/Linux by someone who wants or needs your money, like the CD, or some books or support or whatever.
I mean, jeeze, everybody knows you DON'T PAY FOR FREE SOFTWARE.
Never happen.
I just installed a Debian GNU/Linux system with 3 floppies (not CDs, not DVDs, but 3 1.44 FLOPPIES) and a network connection.
Once the system is up, I have access to, what is it now, over 6000 packages?
I hate to say this, but the network really *is* the computer, if you take advantage of it.
> I don't know if any other major author has tried this.
Umm...before the advent of the ubiquitous Internet, we had these things called books. Yes, books! And way back in the 1800's authors did not generally publish their novels in the form of a single volume book. Guys like William Thackary and Charles Dickens, maybe you have heard of them, had deals with the magazines of the time (periodicals they were called) to publish their novels chapter by chapter, in the order they were written. You see, they got paid by the chapter. And the novel as it was printed was called a *serial* publication. Isn't that fascinating? They even had a few pictures in each chapter to go with the events in the story. That is *so* amazing! I just cannot believe how advanced those Victorians were.
Disclaimer: I have not seen Blow nor Traffic.
/. crowd, as it was directed by Darren Aronofsky, of Pi fame.
That being said, I would be willing to bet that neither film could hold up next to Requiem for a Dream.
I think this movie would be of particular interest to the
I won't tell you anything about it. You really just have to see it.
I think what Gibson has to say in his article is very interesting. I also think a lot of the comments here on /. criticizing the article are very interesting.
/.?
However, I think it is important for people to remember that William Gibson is a novelist. He's a writer of fiction, not a journalist. He makes his trade by writing things that will evoke certain thoughts or feelings in his readership.
So, of course, his view of Japanese culture is going to be highly romanticized. He will cite events and reveal opinions in a manner that totally supports his main idea or theme, whether or not it is factually accurate or considers all other perspectives.
Just remember, he's a novelist, not a journalist. If you want objective journalism, you have to look to someone or something that represents the ideals of journalistic integrity. I mean, why do you think I read
When it comes to deciding whether or not to use Linux in your work environment, these arguments are all very poor cop-outs.
Here is why. I used to do tech support for IBM Global Services for the Lucent account. Massive outsourcing effort. One of the first things my group did was enforce standardization of the desktop for our users. At the time, the standard desktop was Windows95 with Office95 and very specific network shares for specific groups. If you installed anything else on your system, you had to support it yourself. We only supported Windows95/Office95. Period.
So what is keeping the CTO of a given company from mandating that servers shall run Debian stable (for example) and nothing else? Workstations shall run Debian stable with Gnome/Gnumeric/Abiword and nothing else? Hell, you can enforce running RedHat servers sharing samba and Windows98 clients running KDE inside X servers for all I care.
The point is, Linux provides you with not only options and choices but the opportunity to build and control *any* type of environment that suites your business needs. If you cannot enforce standardization of your own business's computing environment, that is your own fault and is independent of OS or GUI.