You're not? Not even a little? You think IBM would spread just as much FUD as Microsoft has been doing over the last 5 years?
I must be a fool.
I treat each business individually based on the tone of their marketting (respectful concern for their customers vs. authoritative source for the truth), whether they put their money where their mouth is, their products and services, and their size.
Smaller businesses get more slack. Monopolies are heavily scrutinized and watched very closely for repetitive trends of past monopolistic practices, etc.
Tell me, what is your primary OS? If its Windows its possible you're biased. Mine is Linux, but it has nothing to do with IBM. This linux distro was made in France. And the only thing IBM gave me is some legal fund for the Linux kernel I will never need, and JFS and maybe a few other patches, some tech docs on the web, and some cool advertisements that really do see the world through the eyes of a Linux zealot, something you NEVER see on TV.
I don't like JFS. Its slow.
But IBM? I like IBM. Tell me why I shouldn't.
Sure, this is advertising.. but in this case IBM is advertising Linux. They don't even have their own Linux distro. IBM sells hardware and support and mainframes and things. Not OSs.
What has Microsoft done for you? Where are the Microsoft sponsored TCO reports claiming BSD's lower cost of ownership? They do leverage BSD code.. Where's their sense of community?
I know IBM is just doing this for their sales. But it sure feels like they got my back. I like that. Even the suspension of disbelief is enough for some of us. Just like how so many people suspend their disbelief in an afterlife for all those moments of bliss.
Can't we just have our religion and live our blissful lives until Bush or Microsoft gets us killed?
I could have done that in a day, 1 person x 1 day x $500/day = $500.
And the process would become more efficient for the next batch. Building 8 or 800 systems doesn't matter. Eventually we can usually get the process efficiency to the point of being disk, network or CPU bandwidth limited.
This shows you could potentially save around $1300/week by hiring experienced sys admins and giving us incentive to be efficient and productive, assuming you have the workload and the right environment to keep us busy and happy.
Incentive comes in the form of a decent salery (100k+), asynchronous communications (respect for our schedule) and exceptionally relaxed office hours, so we can work all night then come in the next day around noon and be home by 4:20.
But supporting 2 people is a much better idea for our economy, atm.
And as always we can support any perspective with statistics and TCO reports. Don't forget to put the cover on the TCO report. Did you get the memo?
Names are important to you because you rely on brand recognition to identify products.
I think we should do away with trademarks and just let darwinian evolution take its course.
Survival of the fittest.
This is exactly why so many of you believed Iraq had WMDs. Because you are the weakest links. You trust the label. You obey authority. You're weak. Feeble. Pathetic. Losers.
It is hypocritical to enjoy the fruits of someone's capitalist labor and then attempt to take those fruits (a form of looting) and claim some philosophical justification.
Hypocritical? LoL. I'm livin in America. Everything here is hypocritical.
What, like anyone actually thought trickle down economics would work..
Capitalism is stupid. Its stupid because we don't live in some perfect world where we have time to play stupid games like capitalism.
You're worried about the destruction of some financial incentive to build software. We're worried about the errosion of our freedoms while we watch everyone masturbate for currency while we've got some real problems that need real TEAMS of people to solve them, like global warming, GWB and his WMDs, resources, education, etc.
You're bitching about intellectual property when the real problems exist in the real world where gas is hitting $3 a gallon and supplies are running low. In that world I think people would be happy to cut the cost out of software so they can afford to live.
Not everyone can afford commercial software. And people like me recognize it can't and won't ever live up to my expectations. Because its made for money, no for the love of it, not for features, and not for quality.
When you play by the rules someone always gets left out. So we've decided that the rules don't need to apply to Intellectual Property. There should be enough of that to go around.
Besides, we've got other problems in our lives than to worry about who gets paid for their thoughts. We need to worry about the physical world now. Its got some serious problems. The longer they are ignored the more impact they will have on your day to day life.
Imaging waking up one morning and gas is $100 a gallon. Are you still going to care that someone is giving away software for free? Or are you going to feel relieved that you can afford those 3 extra gallons because you got a cracked copy of Office for free.
You don't think people can be controlled by their environment? Then why does our government invest so much money in psychelogical operations, specificly for military purposes. Businesses, and capitalists like you, are collecting a lot of useless demographic data if they can't use it to, at the very least, manipulate people into making decisions or taking actions they otherwise would not..
Why are these corporations wasting so much capital on huge databases and data mining employees. That doesn't sound very wise from your perspective of free will. Yet somehow I don't think that money is being wasted..
I watched businesses improve sales by as much as 50% just by targetting advertisements to individual customers based on their purchasing history. I watched documentaries on how the US government offered its PsyOps services to nations around the world to help them "control" their free willed populations. I read about what happened in Germany.
So please, please, please, show me this free will and learn me about philosophy.. I must be so stupid for taking all that acid.
If DRM is the future of controlling our media files...
Is that what you really believe?
Who's controlling your media files?
What media files? The ones you purchased or only those you rent?
How would you feel if you purchased $1000 in movies and lost access to because you accept some form of DRM that prevents you from having real access to the unencrypted content without the restrictions of copy protection like macrovision. In case you chose to excercise your rights to fair use, such as using a small clip for a presentation somewhere sometime, etc...
Combining the genetic material of different species, I think we can all agree, is hardly creating life from scratch.
Its also illegal in some states, morally wrong in some religions, and offensive to some people. I just think its gross and they should keep that stuff in their bedroom.
Do people have free will? If you have full control of their environment and their access to information, it can be argued that they do not have free will unless they are aware of their place in the experiment..
Well, if you want it quick and easy and don't want to do any research.. then why not just outsource the whole freakin IT/helpdesk department?
Computers are complex tools. Without knowledgable staff its impossible to get a custom form-fit solution to your business. Other businesses care more about the support contract and the money than your overall working efficiency, security, upgrade path, etc. They're not going to do the research for you, they'll just pass on the baton to the next guy while getting just as much sleep as you every night.
This is probably why you see a lot of Support companies offering the same or virtually identical products. Its easy for them to support, so they don't have to think either.
Two minds might be better than one, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. And what we're doing in the process is losing that local IT mindshare that used to solve problems efficiently while providing a valuable resource for tech info, market research/trends, etc. Not to mention their exceptional social skillz.
And yeah, friends who recommend research and education make the worst enemies.
Yep.. most businesses outsource their systems and support to other Fortune 500 companies.
Makes me wonder why they don't just outsource the whole IT/helpdesk department..
Someone somewhere must be making too much money to think about how central computer systems are to their business and how much stability, security and performance problems affect their bottom line.
I have yet to see a language that surpasses it, except Perl 6. Java, Python, Ruby, C, C++, etc. All have their own problems and none of them can use my Perl 5 objects.
Perl 6, on the other hand, might be able to use my Perl 5 objects, along with some Java, C, python, brainfuck, etc. libraries. If it gets to that point the bar for all other languages will have been raised, including.NET. But how long will it take to get to that point?...
Yes, but, you NEVER get to decide how this info is going to be used. And most likely it will always be used in a way you dislike.
So if we can agree that those businesses that collect this info will abuse it the way they always have, then we can agree that collecting this info is bad until we get some serious regulation to protect us.
Since those businesses have more money than us to give to our representatives we will never see sufficient regulation until info collection and data mining loses its profitability. Not likely.
So instead of muddying the waters, clouding people's judgement on these issues, etc. Let's just agree that human nature, one excuse for maintaining the status quo, prevents us from being able to trust eachother enough to share our personal info.
If we were all good people we wouldn't need money. But we're not, so we have to also accept the consequences of having a system influenced by it.
Perhaps we should make it illegal to download porn in a public place, just like its illegal to browse the web at your public library without wearing any clothes.
Then punish those responsible for breaking the policy and the law. Even if they are kids, they need to be punished, severely.
We all know its morally wrong to see naked people and sex.
I'm affraid we're so concerned about sex we forgot that our children still have access to terrorism. And drugs. And poverty.
Hey, I know, lets start a War against Librarians!!!
So who makes these decisions to buy closed source applications that only run HPUX? That's not dumb?
And yeah, it must suck to have to pay for each CPU. I'll never get myself stuck in your situation.
Its one thing if you absolutely NEED one custom app for your business and have to buy a special custom system to run it on. That's like a tool. But that should not be something you have to upgrade later. If you can't plan ahead when making purchasing decisions like this how can you possibly keep up with your competition?
Choosing the cheaper solution does not immediately make you intelligent. It makes you cheap. But you get what you pay for.
I know, you do something with this software only you can do and it makes you billions and you'll never have competition, blah, blah, blah. Oh, well.. at least its not my headache.
If I need a special purpose app that I couldn't write myself or buy for a well-supported and somewhat compatible/cross-platform OS, I'd at least consider the possibility of starting an open source project and see if I could drum up some interest at the university level.
There are many possibilities if you sit down and think for a minute before writing those checks. But maybe that's too far outside the box for the average business to reach.
Just "get it", already. Y'know, it doesn't take 40 trips on LSD to learn how to think creatively or social engineer your way around these kinds of commercial/capitalist pitfalls. If you assume everyone is out to screw you and take your money you might think that defending that money with your intelligence is worth some investment. Or not.
Its not HPUX I'm talking about, its closed-source commercial proprietary practices, like vendor lock-in and charging per-CPU or per-system or per-user licensing fees. Things that just don't make sense from any technical point of view. That's like charging you $1 for each drink you place on your coffee table after you've purchased it. But people will pay it. Suckers.
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I'm less sceptical of IBM than I am of Microsoft.
You're not? Not even a little? You think IBM would spread just as much FUD as Microsoft has been doing over the last 5 years?
I must be a fool.
I treat each business individually based on the tone of their marketting (respectful concern for their customers vs. authoritative source for the truth), whether they put their money where their mouth is, their products and services, and their size.
Smaller businesses get more slack. Monopolies are heavily scrutinized and watched very closely for repetitive trends of past monopolistic practices, etc.
Tell me, what is your primary OS? If its Windows its possible you're biased. Mine is Linux, but it has nothing to do with IBM. This linux distro was made in France. And the only thing IBM gave me is some legal fund for the Linux kernel I will never need, and JFS and maybe a few other patches, some tech docs on the web, and some cool advertisements that really do see the world through the eyes of a Linux zealot, something you NEVER see on TV.
I don't like JFS. Its slow.
But IBM? I like IBM. Tell me why I shouldn't.
Sure, this is advertising.. but in this case IBM is advertising Linux. They don't even have their own Linux distro. IBM sells hardware and support and mainframes and things. Not OSs.
What has Microsoft done for you? Where are the Microsoft sponsored TCO reports claiming BSD's lower cost of ownership? They do leverage BSD code.. Where's their sense of community?
I know IBM is just doing this for their sales. But it sure feels like they got my back. I like that. Even the suspension of disbelief is enough for some of us. Just like how so many people suspend their disbelief in an afterlife for all those moments of bliss.
Can't we just have our religion and live our blissful lives until Bush or Microsoft gets us killed?
Last I checked IBM sells Windows, AIX and Linux.
I could have done that in a day, 1 person x 1 day x $500/day = $500.
And the process would become more efficient for the next batch. Building 8 or 800 systems doesn't matter. Eventually we can usually get the process efficiency to the point of being disk, network or CPU bandwidth limited.
This shows you could potentially save around $1300/week by hiring experienced sys admins and giving us incentive to be efficient and productive, assuming you have the workload and the right environment to keep us busy and happy.
Incentive comes in the form of a decent salery (100k+), asynchronous communications (respect for our schedule) and exceptionally relaxed office hours, so we can work all night then come in the next day around noon and be home by 4:20.
But supporting 2 people is a much better idea for our economy, atm.
And as always we can support any perspective with statistics and TCO reports. Don't forget to put the cover on the TCO report. Did you get the memo?
Yes, go to FreeBSD, loser.
They need more users like you.
But please, please, please stop using Linux.
You're too stoopid.
Can't wait for SVG... or can I?
Flash is useless.
Names are important to you because you rely on brand recognition to identify products.
I think we should do away with trademarks and just let darwinian evolution take its course.
Survival of the fittest.
This is exactly why so many of you believed Iraq had WMDs. Because you are the weakest links. You trust the label. You obey authority. You're weak. Feeble. Pathetic. Losers.
It is hypocritical to enjoy the fruits of someone's capitalist labor and then attempt to take those fruits (a form of looting) and claim some philosophical justification.
Hypocritical? LoL. I'm livin in America. Everything here is hypocritical.
What, like anyone actually thought trickle down economics would work..
Capitalism is stupid. Its stupid because we don't live in some perfect world where we have time to play stupid games like capitalism.
You're worried about the destruction of some financial incentive to build software. We're worried about the errosion of our freedoms while we watch everyone masturbate for currency while we've got some real problems that need real TEAMS of people to solve them, like global warming, GWB and his WMDs, resources, education, etc.
You're bitching about intellectual property when the real problems exist in the real world where gas is hitting $3 a gallon and supplies are running low. In that world I think people would be happy to cut the cost out of software so they can afford to live.
Not everyone can afford commercial software. And people like me recognize it can't and won't ever live up to my expectations. Because its made for money, no for the love of it, not for features, and not for quality.
When you play by the rules someone always gets left out. So we've decided that the rules don't need to apply to Intellectual Property. There should be enough of that to go around.
Besides, we've got other problems in our lives than to worry about who gets paid for their thoughts. We need to worry about the physical world now. Its got some serious problems. The longer they are ignored the more impact they will have on your day to day life.
Imaging waking up one morning and gas is $100 a gallon. Are you still going to care that someone is giving away software for free? Or are you going to feel relieved that you can afford those 3 extra gallons because you got a cracked copy of Office for free.
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So enlighten us, oh great philosopher.
You don't think people can be controlled by their environment? Then why does our government invest so much money in psychelogical operations, specificly for military purposes. Businesses, and capitalists like you, are collecting a lot of useless demographic data if they can't use it to, at the very least, manipulate people into making decisions or taking actions they otherwise would not..
Why are these corporations wasting so much capital on huge databases and data mining employees. That doesn't sound very wise from your perspective of free will. Yet somehow I don't think that money is being wasted..
I watched businesses improve sales by as much as 50% just by targetting advertisements to individual customers based on their purchasing history. I watched documentaries on how the US government offered its PsyOps services to nations around the world to help them "control" their free willed populations. I read about what happened in Germany.
So please, please, please, show me this free will and learn me about philosophy.. I must be so stupid for taking all that acid.
If DRM is the future of controlling our media files...
Is that what you really believe?
Who's controlling your media files?
What media files? The ones you purchased or only those you rent?
How would you feel if you purchased $1000 in movies and lost access to because you accept some form of DRM that prevents you from having real access to the unencrypted content without the restrictions of copy protection like macrovision. In case you chose to excercise your rights to fair use, such as using a small clip for a presentation somewhere sometime, etc...
Combining the genetic material of different species, I think we can all agree, is hardly creating life from scratch.
Its also illegal in some states, morally wrong in some religions, and offensive to some people. I just think its gross and they should keep that stuff in their bedroom.
Do people have free will? If you have full control of their environment and their access to information, it can be argued that they do not have free will unless they are aware of their place in the experiment..
Yeah, but President Bush IS a vilin.
nice ad-hominim, btw.
Java, Python, Ruby, C, C++, etc. All have their own problems and none of them can use my Perl 5 objects.
;)
> But is that a problem with those other languages, or with Perl?
With those other languages. Perl works just fine with my objects.
Well, if you want it quick and easy and don't want to do any research.. then why not just outsource the whole freakin IT/helpdesk department?
Computers are complex tools. Without knowledgable staff its impossible to get a custom form-fit solution to your business. Other businesses care more about the support contract and the money than your overall working efficiency, security, upgrade path, etc. They're not going to do the research for you, they'll just pass on the baton to the next guy while getting just as much sleep as you every night.
This is probably why you see a lot of Support companies offering the same or virtually identical products. Its easy for them to support, so they don't have to think either.
Two minds might be better than one, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. And what we're doing in the process is losing that local IT mindshare that used to solve problems efficiently while providing a valuable resource for tech info, market research/trends, etc. Not to mention their exceptional social skillz.
And yeah, friends who recommend research and education make the worst enemies.
Yep.. most businesses outsource their systems and support to other Fortune 500 companies.
Makes me wonder why they don't just outsource the whole IT/helpdesk department..
Someone somewhere must be making too much money to think about how central computer systems are to their business and how much stability, security and performance problems affect their bottom line.
I have yet to see a language that surpasses it, except Perl 6. Java, Python, Ruby, C, C++, etc. All have their own problems and none of them can use my Perl 5 objects.
.NET. But how long will it take to get to that point?...
Perl 6, on the other hand, might be able to use my Perl 5 objects, along with some Java, C, python, brainfuck, etc. libraries. If it gets to that point the bar for all other languages will have been raised, including
Yes, but, you NEVER get to decide how this info is going to be used. And most likely it will always be used in a way you dislike.
So if we can agree that those businesses that collect this info will abuse it the way they always have, then we can agree that collecting this info is bad until we get some serious regulation to protect us.
Since those businesses have more money than us to give to our representatives we will never see sufficient regulation until info collection and data mining loses its profitability. Not likely.
So instead of muddying the waters, clouding people's judgement on these issues, etc. Let's just agree that human nature, one excuse for maintaining the status quo, prevents us from being able to trust eachother enough to share our personal info.
If we were all good people we wouldn't need money. But we're not, so we have to also accept the consequences of having a system influenced by it.
Don't we pay a royalty to the RIAA for each CDR we purchase, whether we using it for music or not?
I thought we had a deal here..
http://www.boycott-riaa.com/facts/
And I mean ANYONE! ..can get porn from google.
Perhaps we should make it illegal to download porn in a public place, just like its illegal to browse the web at your public library without wearing any clothes.
Then punish those responsible for breaking the policy and the law. Even if they are kids, they need to be punished, severely.
We all know its morally wrong to see naked people and sex.
I'm affraid we're so concerned about sex we forgot that our children still have access to terrorism. And drugs. And poverty.
Hey, I know, lets start a War against Librarians!!!
hehe
computers are good for techs and children, but not "normal" people, aka adults.
So... they don't know how to open and save yet? ;)
I still don't see how this could be more effecient than a solar cell. What kind of fuel does it use? How does it compare with a solar cell?
I bought a Razer gaming mouse. Its awesome.
I like symmetry.
Would have got a logitech if they didn't suck. Like their speakers, tho.
So who makes these decisions to buy closed source applications that only run HPUX? That's not dumb?
And yeah, it must suck to have to pay for each CPU. I'll never get myself stuck in your situation.
Its one thing if you absolutely NEED one custom app for your business and have to buy a special custom system to run it on. That's like a tool. But that should not be something you have to upgrade later. If you can't plan ahead when making purchasing decisions like this how can you possibly keep up with your competition?
Choosing the cheaper solution does not immediately make you intelligent. It makes you cheap. But you get what you pay for.
I know, you do something with this software only you can do and it makes you billions and you'll never have competition, blah, blah, blah. Oh, well.. at least its not my headache.
If I need a special purpose app that I couldn't write myself or buy for a well-supported and somewhat compatible/cross-platform OS, I'd at least consider the possibility of starting an open source project and see if I could drum up some interest at the university level.
There are many possibilities if you sit down and think for a minute before writing those checks. But maybe that's too far outside the box for the average business to reach.
Just "get it", already. Y'know, it doesn't take 40 trips on LSD to learn how to think creatively or social engineer your way around these kinds of commercial/capitalist pitfalls. If you assume everyone is out to screw you and take your money you might think that defending that money with your intelligence is worth some investment. Or not.
Its not HPUX I'm talking about, its closed-source commercial proprietary practices, like vendor lock-in and charging per-CPU or per-system or per-user licensing fees. Things that just don't make sense from any technical point of view. That's like charging you $1 for each drink you place on your coffee table after you've purchased it. But people will pay it. Suckers.