That's just it. You can't be smart not because you have a wife and kids, but because you don't have enough money for them. And you don't feel like they are safe without you being responsible and supporting their weight on your shoulders.
So.. if everyone wanted to, they could decide to do away with money so its brings about less financial burden among other things. What if you could write code all day/night from home while raising your kids? Wouldn't that be just as valuable to society as if you were sitting at your desk at work?
But that requires a boss that cares for you as a person, not just another employee. And I think this lack of caring will drive all of us into slavery for the rest of our lives.
So I wish all your helpless children all the luck they can get, to repay the debts we'll leave for them when we're gone. In the mean time who should we bomb next?
When you old timers get tired of searching for life in our 4-dimensional universe you might want to pick up a physics book. There are at least another 6 dimensions life could exist in, and we have a hard enough time understand the reality that exists right in front of our faces.
After I learned that reality exists of more than 4 dimensions I stopped believing what anyone else told me about anything. None of you have a clue. And neither do I.
They will. Perhaps they won't do it right away. But whatever.
Easy to resolve? I could write those scripts in few minutes. In fact I always do for my systems. Why are you too lazy to do it for yourself?
Here, let me help you get started...
in/etc/fstab it helps to create an entry for all the devices you want to hook up to your system. Those entries look like this:/dev/hda1/mnt/hda auto defaults 0 0/dev/sda1/mnt/sda auto defaults 0 0 tj:/mnt/sda/mnt/tj smbfs defaults 0 0
You have to make the directories for/mnt/hda and/mnt/sda. If you are like me/dev/sda will usually be pointing to one of your firewire devices. So you could either type 'mount/mnt/sda' or 'sudo mount/mnt/sda' on the command line after plugging in the device. Sometimes this requires a 'modprobe sbp2'. Or you could write a cron job or a daemon to handle automounting, which is what I believe RedHat and the others are working on right now.
So let's put this all together, shall we?
#!/bin/perl
my @partitions = `cat/proc/partitions`
foreach ( @partitions ) {
my ( $maj, $min, $blocks, $name, $blah ) = split( '\s', $_ );
next if $min == 0;
`mkdir/mnt/$name`;
`mount/dev/$name/mnt/$name`; }
Now add it to/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root or/etc/cron.hourly or whatever.
Be sure to set it executable, etc.
chown root script chmod 755 script
If you were more creative than me you could have easily written this script and told it to save its state to a file, so whenever it gets called it compares/proc/partitions to that file to determine if any new devices have been added to your system. Then it could be called once a minute or every few seconds, whatever granularity you can handle.
When there's a will there's a way. And there's plenty of willpower behind Linux, my friend.
This serious "flaw" with linux that you are talking about can very easily be resolved with a script.
We Linux/UNIX users/admins/developers don't really care right now whether you can see your devices or not. We care if the system is stable, bug free, has drivers for all the hardware, is secure and efficient. When you do things the right way the first time it always takes longer and it might even be a bit harder, but when its finished there will be no alternatives because noone else took the time to do it right.
Here's how I see it. Linux on the desktop is inevitable. It is an option that businesses can choose to ignore at their own cost.
Now if their competition somehow cuts costs using Linux and outmaneuvers them they will be answer to their share holders. But if they can somehow leverage proprietary software to make their business work more efficiently then it is still possible Linux might not become the dominant OS.
Speaking from experience I serious doubt proprietary software can be as dynamic and efficient as OSS. But I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
Listen up folks. Proprietary software NEEDS all the help it can get. Because we all know software doesn't build itself.;)
I don't think there's a need for money, but there's a requirement that everyone become educated before it can be eliminated. I think managing currency or even just monetary value itself is inefficient.
We should be managing our resources, products, schedules, etc. Actually, our computers need to be configured to do that for us and we need enough volunteers to do the work that needs to get done. Then all the other people's "job" (nobody really is forced to do anything for food, shelter, etc) for the immediate future would be to automated all the jobs people really don't want to do.
I think there are jobs people naturually like doing, like playing music, being artists, musicians, doctors, computer scientists, etc. And I think there are a lot of jobs people don't like to do. But I think we could use technology to eliminate the jobs we don't like and provide everyone the tools and education to allow them the freedom to grow and experience the life they would choose to have.
It would be great if everyone could do what they want and be supported by everyone around them all the way, assuming that it harms noone. But I don't know how all of the details can be accomplish, I just have a few ideas. I just think if enough people really worked hard at this and put their ideas together, they could make a system work without money and without corruption.
Unfortunately for us a majority of the population is not willing to pay that price.
But I agree. What's the point of having laws if you have no freedom to begin with?
Laws are made to limit freedom to keep everyone safe. But some people believe that its okay to make laws saying I can't drive my car or fly in a plane because its possible for that car or plane to crash into them. Those people are dumb. That's why natural section exists.
Unfortunately we've overgrown nature's laws and seem to think we're smart enough to write our own. And now look at the results. Just brilliant.
discovering them would mean that we could no longer view ourselves as being at the center of the universe.
Well, until I get a little more cooperation from all of you I must insist that I am at the center of the universe. Now please have all of your scientists conduct long studies and make time-consuming measurements and I'll have mine do the same. Eventually we'll get to the bottom of this, we're predicting the results will be in sometime next century.
I generalize people and their religions making an assumption I probably shouldn't. Everyone has free will, but I assume that anyone who says they are part of a political or religious group will give up their freedom to choose so they can conform and "fit in" with their group.
People want to "fit in" and feel like they belong more than anything. They're willing to believe the world is flat or the Sun revolves around the Earth if it will mean they will be accepted by their peers.
Human nature at its worst. And combine that with capitalism and our understanding of psycheology and you begin to see the nightmarish problem.
Something like a set of beliefs that the individual agrees with based on faith. But I think the problem is when religion becomes organized. Democrates and Republicans and examples of organized religion.
And I personally believe they have been organized by a study of psycheology and use of our media system to persuade people to believe in one religion or another. It just happens that Christian system of beliefs fits well with the Republican system of beliefs. But only when these groups of people are organized into action do they pose a threat to society.
These are the groups of people taking away our freedoms. They are us, every one of us, believing that we're right. When we most certainly are not.
Was Iraq cooperating with UN inspectors? Yes, but CNN decided to omit that part of the report it published. I don't see anything wrong with Moore doing the same.
Though I agree with you, Moore's conclusions are a little off. He recognises that the problem is our media system and how it affects our psyche, spreading FUD, etc. But guns are not to blame for the violence, people are. And until we fix that problem gun control won't help.
I firmly believe that everyone has a right to own a weapon. Because it is those weapons that purchase freedom, not money. But I think if we want to blame an inanimate object, blame the TV. We get most of our ideas from watching it.
Only we recognise it is an excellent way to persuade people to buy shit and boost the economy. What we should recognise is that it could be a great way to educate people and reshape our reality to be more like the world we want to live in. Using media properly I believe a determined society can create utopia.
Then ask yourself is it people that must work with society or society that must work with people. Psychology tells who we are. We are a product of our environment. Our environment consists of all the advertisements we spray paint on all the walls. And I wonder why people complain about graffiti. Our environment consists of whatever is on TV and the radio as well as the home we live in, the streets we walk on, the camping grounds we go to for vacation, so we can camp 20 feet from our neighbors in the wilderness.
This is really messed up. We treat the world like some vacation paradise, exploiting the nice places until they turn into yet another tourist trap, complete with advertisements and capitalism.
There is a common theme here. Human nature mixed with capitalism drives us to value the dollar more than we do our neighbor and their well-being. This makes our schools, our children's environment, almost untolerable. And our prisons are absolute nightmares.
Is it right to treat people this way? I don't think so, but I'm not a capitalist.
Personally I think everyone should be GIVEN all the eduction and work they want. They should never be asked to work a day of their lives, given free food and shelter, and provide free education and the proper environment to make a happy human. Work can be fun in the right environment with the right people. So when people want to work society should give them all the tools they need to do their job. Working so I can buy my tools so I can work more of my life away is no way for a society to exist. We treat eachother like slaves until our bodies grow old and then put the old slaves in homes so they can rest there until they die. Is this freedom to you?
You can not order a being of free will to do anything they would not choose to do. You might be able to force them by law. But at what cost? Their freedom.
Its so frustrating for me to think about freedom today. What I know is freedom is the right and the ability to think about or do anything I want to do as long as it hurts noone else. But I am not free. I live in the US, I am told that I live in a free country, but I am not able to do what I want. And I hurt noone.
I have parents. They think I should be like them. But that is also not freedom. They didn't want a being of independant free thought, they wanted a robot that would grow up and be what they always wanted it to be. Another parent, making good money. But I am not and will never be. I don't want to bring another lifeform into this world. I care too much about the mental health of that lifeform to torture them like that.
Can you imagine your child growing up reading the stories on CNN every day? That's hell! That's fucking hell! And this is what all of our parents helped create for us. Thanks.
Actually I think THE problem is the psychelogical concept of the parent. Why must we have an authoritative adult figure in our lives? No adult I have ever known is authoritative in the sense that they are completely responsible and knowledgable about all things. So why do they attempt to claim that power?
Children should not let them. Perhaps that is why they rebell so often? Perhaps that is why they prefer living in a computer generated fantasy world to the real thing? I don't know. Just some thoughts.
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I'm more of a Slackware geek myself. Have to know RedHat, hate SuSE, like the rest. But love Slack.
That's just it. You can't be smart not because you have a wife and kids, but because you don't have enough money for them. And you don't feel like they are safe without you being responsible and supporting their weight on your shoulders.
So.. if everyone wanted to, they could decide to do away with money so its brings about less financial burden among other things. What if you could write code all day/night from home while raising your kids? Wouldn't that be just as valuable to society as if you were sitting at your desk at work?
But that requires a boss that cares for you as a person, not just another employee. And I think this lack of caring will drive all of us into slavery for the rest of our lives.
So I wish all your helpless children all the luck they can get, to repay the debts we'll leave for them when we're gone. In the mean time who should we bomb next?
When you old timers get tired of searching for life in our 4-dimensional universe you might want to pick up a physics book. There are at least another 6 dimensions life could exist in, and we have a hard enough time understand the reality that exists right in front of our faces.
After I learned that reality exists of more than 4 dimensions I stopped believing what anyone else told me about anything. None of you have a clue. And neither do I.
Gentoo or Debian?
So.. we should give everyone miniture radio antennas to fry bugs and eachother with.
They will. Perhaps they won't do it right away. But whatever.
/etc/fstab it helps to create an entry for all the devices you want to hook up to your system. Those entries look like this: /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda auto defaults 0 0 /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda auto defaults 0 0 /mnt/tj smbfs defaults 0 0
/mnt/hda and /mnt/sda. If you are like me /dev/sda will usually be pointing to one of your firewire devices. So you could either type 'mount /mnt/sda' or 'sudo mount /mnt/sda' on the command line after plugging in the device. Sometimes this requires a 'modprobe sbp2'. Or you could write a cron job or a daemon to handle automounting, which is what I believe RedHat and the others are working on right now.
/proc/partitions`
/mnt/$name`; /dev/$name /mnt/$name`;
/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root or /etc/cron.hourly or whatever.
/proc/partitions to that file to determine if any new devices have been added to your system. Then it could be called once a minute or every few seconds, whatever granularity you can handle.
Easy to resolve? I could write those scripts in few minutes. In fact I always do for my systems. Why are you too lazy to do it for yourself?
Here, let me help you get started...
in
tj:/mnt/sda
You have to make the directories for
So let's put this all together, shall we?
#!/bin/perl
my @partitions = `cat
foreach ( @partitions ) {
my ( $maj, $min, $blocks, $name, $blah ) = split( '\s', $_ );
next if $min == 0;
`mkdir
`mount
}
Now add it to
Be sure to set it executable, etc.
chown root script
chmod 755 script
If you were more creative than me you could have easily written this script and told it to save its state to a file, so whenever it gets called it compares
When there's a will there's a way. And there's plenty of willpower behind Linux, my friend.
This serious "flaw" with linux that you are talking about can very easily be resolved with a script.
We Linux/UNIX users/admins/developers don't really care right now whether you can see your devices or not. We care if the system is stable, bug free, has drivers for all the hardware, is secure and efficient. When you do things the right way the first time it always takes longer and it might even be a bit harder, but when its finished there will be no alternatives because noone else took the time to do it right.
Here's how I see it. Linux on the desktop is inevitable. It is an option that businesses can choose to ignore at their own cost.
;)
Now if their competition somehow cuts costs using Linux and outmaneuvers them they will be answer to their share holders. But if they can somehow leverage proprietary software to make their business work more efficiently then it is still possible Linux might not become the dominant OS.
Speaking from experience I serious doubt proprietary software can be as dynamic and efficient as OSS. But I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
Listen up folks. Proprietary software NEEDS all the help it can get. Because we all know software doesn't build itself.
I don't think there's a need for money, but there's a requirement that everyone become educated before it can be eliminated. I think managing currency or even just monetary value itself is inefficient.
We should be managing our resources, products, schedules, etc. Actually, our computers need to be configured to do that for us and we need enough volunteers to do the work that needs to get done. Then all the other people's "job" (nobody really is forced to do anything for food, shelter, etc) for the immediate future would be to automated all the jobs people really don't want to do.
I think there are jobs people naturually like doing, like playing music, being artists, musicians, doctors, computer scientists, etc. And I think there are a lot of jobs people don't like to do. But I think we could use technology to eliminate the jobs we don't like and provide everyone the tools and education to allow them the freedom to grow and experience the life they would choose to have.
It would be great if everyone could do what they want and be supported by everyone around them all the way, assuming that it harms noone. But I don't know how all of the details can be accomplish, I just have a few ideas. I just think if enough people really worked hard at this and put their ideas together, they could make a system work without money and without corruption.
the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Unfortunately for us a majority of the population is not willing to pay that price.
But I agree. What's the point of having laws if you have no freedom to begin with?
Laws are made to limit freedom to keep everyone safe. But some people believe that its okay to make laws saying I can't drive my car or fly in a plane because its possible for that car or plane to crash into them. Those people are dumb. That's why natural section exists.
Unfortunately we've overgrown nature's laws and seem to think we're smart enough to write our own. And now look at the results. Just brilliant.
I think the data will be xml, but the power still has to be binary.
Your a moron if you think the dollar bill has anything to do with freedom.
Was Germany communist under Hitler's rule? Is that why so many people died?
Why do I bother?
I'm not talking communism, you freak, I'm talking humanism. They can be synonymous.
Just look at you.
How much money do you spend to count your money?
And you still profess capitalism to be the best system every developed? How long ago was it developed? Don't think we've learned anything since then?
discovering them would mean that we could no longer view ourselves as being at the center of the universe.
Well, until I get a little more cooperation from all of you I must insist that I am at the center of the universe. Now please have all of your scientists conduct long studies and make time-consuming measurements and I'll have mine do the same. Eventually we'll get to the bottom of this, we're predicting the results will be in sometime next century.
I generalize people and their religions making an assumption I probably shouldn't. Everyone has free will, but I assume that anyone who says they are part of a political or religious group will give up their freedom to choose so they can conform and "fit in" with their group.
People want to "fit in" and feel like they belong more than anything. They're willing to believe the world is flat or the Sun revolves around the Earth if it will mean they will be accepted by their peers.
Human nature at its worst. And combine that with capitalism and our understanding of psycheology and you begin to see the nightmarish problem.
But what is religion?
Something like a set of beliefs that the individual agrees with based on faith. But I think the problem is when religion becomes organized. Democrates and Republicans and examples of organized religion.
And I personally believe they have been organized by a study of psycheology and use of our media system to persuade people to believe in one religion or another. It just happens that Christian system of beliefs fits well with the Republican system of beliefs. But only when these groups of people are organized into action do they pose a threat to society.
These are the groups of people taking away our freedoms. They are us, every one of us, believing that we're right. When we most certainly are not.
Exactly!
Was Iraq cooperating with UN inspectors? Yes, but CNN decided to omit that part of the report it published. I don't see anything wrong with Moore doing the same.
Though I agree with you, Moore's conclusions are a little off. He recognises that the problem is our media system and how it affects our psyche, spreading FUD, etc. But guns are not to blame for the violence, people are. And until we fix that problem gun control won't help.
I firmly believe that everyone has a right to own a weapon. Because it is those weapons that purchase freedom, not money. But I think if we want to blame an inanimate object, blame the TV. We get most of our ideas from watching it.
Only we recognise it is an excellent way to persuade people to buy shit and boost the economy. What we should recognise is that it could be a great way to educate people and reshape our reality to be more like the world we want to live in. Using media properly I believe a determined society can create utopia.
Perhaps all our news corporations are simply "united" at a time of crisis. Their either with us or against us.
Us being republicans or democrates and the people who want the money/oil.
I would find conversations with Mr. Moore very interesting.
;)
But I'm sure if you were his neighbor you'd be armed to the teeth to protect yourself from all the liberal commie bastards.
They are coming to get ya, you know that, right?
first define freedom.
Then ask yourself is it people that must work with society or society that must work with people. Psychology tells who we are. We are a product of our environment. Our environment consists of all the advertisements we spray paint on all the walls. And I wonder why people complain about graffiti. Our environment consists of whatever is on TV and the radio as well as the home we live in, the streets we walk on, the camping grounds we go to for vacation, so we can camp 20 feet from our neighbors in the wilderness.
This is really messed up. We treat the world like some vacation paradise, exploiting the nice places until they turn into yet another tourist trap, complete with advertisements and capitalism.
There is a common theme here. Human nature mixed with capitalism drives us to value the dollar more than we do our neighbor and their well-being. This makes our schools, our children's environment, almost untolerable. And our prisons are absolute nightmares.
Is it right to treat people this way? I don't think so, but I'm not a capitalist.
Personally I think everyone should be GIVEN all the eduction and work they want. They should never be asked to work a day of their lives, given free food and shelter, and provide free education and the proper environment to make a happy human. Work can be fun in the right environment with the right people. So when people want to work society should give them all the tools they need to do their job. Working so I can buy my tools so I can work more of my life away is no way for a society to exist. We treat eachother like slaves until our bodies grow old and then put the old slaves in homes so they can rest there until they die. Is this freedom to you?
No amount of counseling is going to fix a sick society.
If I had a $35k Sun blade I'd sell it so I could buy a glass of water and a few months of my life back.
but regardless of all that, everybody should remember that we're dealing with a for-profit company
no comment
You can not order a being of free will to do anything they would not choose to do. You might be able to force them by law. But at what cost? Their freedom.
Its so frustrating for me to think about freedom today. What I know is freedom is the right and the ability to think about or do anything I want to do as long as it hurts noone else. But I am not free. I live in the US, I am told that I live in a free country, but I am not able to do what I want. And I hurt noone.
I have parents. They think I should be like them. But that is also not freedom. They didn't want a being of independant free thought, they wanted a robot that would grow up and be what they always wanted it to be. Another parent, making good money. But I am not and will never be. I don't want to bring another lifeform into this world. I care too much about the mental health of that lifeform to torture them like that.
Can you imagine your child growing up reading the stories on CNN every day? That's hell! That's fucking hell! And this is what all of our parents helped create for us. Thanks.
Actually I think THE problem is the psychelogical concept of the parent. Why must we have an authoritative adult figure in our lives? No adult I have ever known is authoritative in the sense that they are completely responsible and knowledgable about all things. So why do they attempt to claim that power?
Children should not let them. Perhaps that is why they rebell so often? Perhaps that is why they prefer living in a computer generated fantasy world to the real thing? I don't know. Just some thoughts.