No I am stating that without rest state bonus the hours it takes to get to lvl 60 is roughly equivalent to 1.5 months of casual gaming. I have a new lvl 60 about every 1.5 months and I don't have as much time to play an "alt" as a casual gamer would because nearly 100% of my time is spent doing lvl 60 content on my main character. Maybe your version of casual is less than 5-6hrs a week gaming, and honestly less than 6hrs a week makes you not casual but non-existant and no one cares. If you can't hit lvl 60 in under 3 months you should just uninstall and quit.
If you think all the quests are just kill this mob or that then you probably don't know where to find all of the quests for different zones and cross zone areas. I guess you just don't like MMORPG's if you have a problem with the quest lines in WoW. Anyways, you have prooved enough times that you either a.) don't care or b.) have no clue about the realities of MMO's so I will just wash my hands of you and of this discussion.
Yet again you show your ignorance. It takes less than a month and a half of casual gaming to hit lvl 60. You can hit lvl 60 after 6 days of played time. So figure about 130 hrs if you are trying to lvl. That is over 100 hrs but not HUNDREDS. If you expect to start any MMORPG and be able to have the skill with your chosen class in under 20hrs then you should think again.
Aside from the real game beginning at 60. All of the quests and content until 60 is superb. It is in fact one of the things people complain about. After 60 it is no longer really a story driven game. It is more of a here is a super hard dungeon go beat it. Although, they have been adding more story type quests for lvl 60's.
For future reference I would suggest not bashing a game using other peoples complaints they had 8 months ago. A game like WoW adds new content every patch and it has had lots of patches.
I would have to agree except that the end game content isn't so bad you should make an alt to avoid it. I know that for me, killing a boss that takes 40 people all doing their part and doing them well is thrilling. The first time we took down Ony, Domo, Rags, Razor, Nef.....they are all very memorable because they were such struggles to achieve. Although I am an alt junky also except I use my alts as relaxation from raiding stress and as a way to get more professions so I can support my raiding bills.
I am not exactly sure how to explain it to someone who obviously is still stuck in a Diablo2 mindset. I will try tho. When you hit lvl 60 you have finally attained all skills that your character can have currently in game. For a real world comparison think of it as graduating college. Now you take the skills you have learned in the first 60 lvls of game play and try to apply them to the real content of the game.
At the moment the hardest instance in the game is AQ (An'Quril sp?). In an instance such as AQ it requires 40 people to play effectively and play their class to a higher level than your standard player. Almost every player who has an active raiding spot in a post lvl 60 raiding guild is better skillwise than a lvl 60 that isn't. To be totally honest with you. There is no challenge in WoW until you hit the post lvl 60 dungeons for the first time and learn them.
The last time in AQ for the guild I am in we fought a boss that wiped our entire 40 person raid in under 20 seconds. There is nothing pre 60 that does that to a player. I guess the thing players need to realize is that leveling a character in an MMORPG is really more like going to school and learning a trade.
Ah but we are talking about an RPG where time is the most critical piece. If you don't have the skill to play your class no one will have you around anyway. Maybe over an 8 hr period the one guy gets 25% more work done but after 32hrs he only doing about 36% of the work.
Clearly you don't play WoW or you just have no concept of end game content. When you reach lvl 60 the game actually just starts. The lvl grind is what most people assume to be the "game" which in fact is just the basic training for end game content. When you hit lvl 60 you then have to play in 20-40 person groups to beat bosses that are very difficult.
I agree with you here. I play WoW alot and do end game content constantly. Because it requires 40 people to do end game content it requires a HUGE time commitment. You would never get people to commit to constantly show up if there was no reward for it. This is what we call the casual vs hardcore gaming argument. End game casual gamers are put aside because you just can't rely on them no matter what skill lvl they have.
Basically if someone (on a scale of 1 to 10) has a skill lvl of 10 but raids 8 hrs a week and someone else is a 7 but raids 32 hrs a week. Then the guy putting in 32hrs will benefit a raid group more from getting rewards than would the guy that only attends 1 raid per week. It is almost like saying if you have 2 employees and 1 works 8 hrs a week and the other 32 hrs, and each of them want a new office. Who would you give it to?
I think you are still missing my overall point. NO ONE cares if they are a GLBT friendly guild except maybe some ultra conservative jackasses. However, Blizzard was exactly correct in putting a muzzle on a guild that was recruiting in their fashon. If they let 1 guild get away with spaming about guild recruitment based off of non game issues on the improper forums and chat channels then it opens the door to allow any other moron to do the same thing.
I realize they are a minority and probably expect special exemption from the rules everyone has to follow but I am glad they didn't recieve it. Granted you might say the rule isn't consistently applied but that is hard to say. You can file a GM report about anyone violating the CoC for the game and usually the GM will squash whatever the issue is real quick.
I think the real issue is no one cares if your guild recruits based off of any ingame issue. Such as, if your guild was just starting Molten Core or Blackwing Lair. GLBT is not content from inside the game so it is exactly the same as recruiting for say "Straight White man Guild". Please also remember that MMORPG's are supposed to basically be a fantasy world that is not concerned with real life.
I would say you have your ideas confused. A market collapse would be more along the lines of people no longer buying any games and the market would be shrinking. However, more people played games this year than last.
What it comes down to is a market shift. Of the current style of games they really haven't improved much of anything in the past 3 years. So, what is happening is gamers are not willing to pay a premium price for games that are exactly the same as the ones 3 years ago except with enhanced graphics. Remember for a market collapse their has to be a shortage of demand. I would argue demand is higher than it ever has been, but the game corps are simply not filling it.
Don't want to rain on your parade, cause I agree with what you have said. I just wanted to point out that Cancer Research is by far the largest field going currently. Then again the field is not so narrowly focused as the study of the brain.
I would disagree with you on the money from the deal making up for the consumers they lose. They probably are thinking that trying to carve out their market more fully will be risky and therefore not garuntee them a payday. With the Intel deal they get their payday and if they die and simply become a brand name then so be it.
Actually you hit the nail mostly on the head. The reason it isn't repression is because it is a law that has been decided deomcratically with freedom of political thought and debate. China does not allow freedom of speech politically speeking. I won't say that the U.S. doesn't have to many laws that allow our citizens to be confined.
How long do you think it would take for our populace to be subdued if the police actually brutally repressed any public gatherings that were disenting with the government? I would guess maybe 20 years and everyone would just learn not to rock the boat. China has been under 1 repressive regime or another for hundreds of years now.
With that all said. The U.S. has been moving closer and closer to a repressive state. I would say the only shining bastion we have left to us currently is the Supreme court which thankfully can nullify laws passed by the government that clearly infringe on our civil liberties.
No I am just saying guilds should be built around common interests from in game. If your guild wants to be about non-gaming issues I doubt anyone would care. As long as you didn't advertise what criteria you are using to decided your members. Sort of like the guild I belong to doesn't recruit. If you want to join you go to our Guild website and post on our recruitment forum.
I guess what it comes down to is how you do things not what things you do. You screen your recruits after they show interest no one cares. You spam general (forums/chat) people get pissed off. It is just one of those gaming things. My personal opinion is that the guild in question had a leader that wanted attention, and instead of building a guild that could take down the toughest content started a ruckus on the forums and in general chat.
Any restaurant can retain the right to refuse service to anyone. Usually it is posted in big bold letters in the entrance. However, YOUR comment takes the argument way out of context. Blizzard doesn't refuse anything to homosexuals. They do require that guilds not post Political/sexual/non-game/etc issues for recruitment on their general forums pages or in game spam in general chat.
Honestly how god damned hard is this to understand. Blizzard won't allow you to recruit in general chat based on being a republican, stripper, democrat, straight guys only, ETC. Their opinion has been if it is non game related keep it inside your guild halls aka your own forum. Blizzard has even stated it is fine for guilds to recruit based off of previous things on Blizzards RECRUITMENT forum but not on the general forum.
Personally I think it was a group of disgruntled homosexual gamers that wanted attention so they broke the rules and then claimed it was blizzard's fault. It wasn't the only reason this is still in the news is because it is easier to blame blizzard than it is the minority. Sure they are a minority but they still broke the rules. I personally hope blizzard bans the people who posted the recruitment based off of sexual orientation in the general forum. It is out of place an unwanted. If I want to find a guild I can go to the recruitment forum.
I could call you a dipshit but I doubt Bush would be offended. The fact is nearly all negative words are associated with a particular group. The object of using them is to make the person that is subject to them react in a particular way. However, I am against using a public forum to either harrass or to expound upon a particular view in a gaming world. People should not be cursing or using derogatory remarks in a game where all those around can view. Christians may offend me and I wouldn't be happy if they could preach in game. Luckliy there is a report to a GM button. I would use this in many situations. Its a game and you should check your real life shit at the door.
I still think you hold onto this misconception that Blizzard is censoring or telling this group they can't have a GLBT guild. They aren't. Simply that you can't advertise for it in the games general forum or in general chat in game. Blizzard also isn't telling them they can't advert their guild in either of those places excepting when they advertise it as a GLBT guild.
Blizzard is basically saying they don't care if you advertise your guild they only care if you bring in non-game issues into the advertising of it. Or do you think it would be ok for a group to advertise a guild open and friendly to KKK members?
LoL so you are ok with censoring people in this regard.....where does it stop? Seriously if you have a problem seeing %!$*^ on your screen then don't connect to the internet. If all I ever heard in a day was BEEP when someone said a word or phrase I didn't like on a crowded street or train I would be completely happy with it.
Maybe you don't know this but tolerance is not acceptance. Most minority groups and just people for that matter crave acceptance and will demand it. The problem arises when they think that tolerance means acceptance. It doesn't. This comes back to cursing in an online chat. If 1 dude calls another a Bitch I would not consider that to be harrasment of women or female dogs. If he called a player known to him to be a woman a bitch then he is harrassing her.
Clearly you don't realize that it is not against blizzards TOS to type Faggot but it is to type F4g0t. You will get a warning for first offense, suspension for 2nd and a ban for the 3rd. Maybe you haven't played MMO's recently but diliberatly countermanding a profanity filter is MAJORLY against the rules. Just because you are talking out of your ass doesn't give you any ground to stand on. Yes you can avoid the filter but anyone that reports you can get you banned. That also means if you type Sh;t 5h;t S|-|it etc. So, as we say in WoW. LEARN2PLAY.
I know not every guild has been told to keep to guild recruitment forum. However, most guilds don't form based around an out of game social demographic. I have seen a guild called El Paso renamed because it violated ToS, but Bliz won't disband your guild because they don't like what your guild talks about in/g or what social demographic you come from. They don't care unless you are stirring up a rucus. Then they enforce the rules.
Also, you have to realize people that don't like this GLBT friendly guild can use the in game rules and petitions against the guild as long as they aren't following Bliz's rules. Once the guild is following Bliz's rules then Bliz can protect them from a lot of the harrasment that is sure to follow.
Yet another person writing with out reading. I am glad you can write but please read first. Blizzard is not unfriendly to any group of players desire to play with like minded people. You just can't spam that sort of thing in General chat ON THE SERVER. You can make a post about it on the Guild Recruitment forum but not when you are standing in Ironforge typing/1 (general) LOOKING FOR GLBT FRIENDLY PPL TO JOIN GUILD. Most guilds simply recruit saying/1 (general) is looking for new recruits for (casual/endgame/etc) players. Go to www.guildpage.com for recruiting information or msg....player name.
If that was how Oz had been recruiting anyone that was looking for a guild would have been immediately given the information it was a GLBT friendly guild and could make their choice afterwards. Also, had anyone followed through the recruitment advert and subsequently started posting in/1 (general) OMGZOR Oz GUILD IS HOMO LOLLERSKATES!!!! then that person would have been banned due to harrasment. Two very different ways to get a guild with that is friendly to GLBT person except the second way would be following Blizzards CoC instead of breaking it.
RTFA! The fact is Bliz says you can't advertise IN GAME in a certain way then it is end of story. They did not say you can't have a GLBT Friendly guild. They just said in General chat it is not permissable to advertise a guild that excludes people. Bliz also said that the GLBT friendly guild COULD advertise as such on the Guild Recruitment Forum. Just not in the games General Chat.
Clearly if a guild was recruiting as a (random interest group) guild that you disagreed with. You would not want them cluttering up General chat in game. But if you have affiliations with that random interest group you should still have the right to seek out and play with others of that group. That is what a forum is for.
And lets be honest. Oz Guild was breaking the Code of Conduct for the game and even if they weren't if Blizzard thought that it had the potential to cause significant issues on a server they had to put an end to it. Its like saying my Grandpa's name was Richard Ball that I should be allowed to use DickBall as a toon name in the game. Maybe you think there is free speech in an MMO. To that I say go play one and find out why there isn't.
Although I won't deny that 5 man game play can be equally difficult as 40 man. You are very off base in your assessment. Organization is a key factor but not the only one or even the most important one. If you have just 1 or 2 people screwing around in a 40 man raid it can and mostlikely will wipe the raid. It takes 40 people, all of whom could do a 5 man dungeon much more easily( because you need no coordination), acting in concert playing their role effectively.
If you fall for that tripe I have ocean front property in Arizona for you. His arguments are the same as those that blame deficiencies in a childs moral make-up on schools, video games, or T.V. Most kids in early america did get some education and after they were big enough to work they were denied an advanced education because their family needed the money. So what does that say about current education....HERES A HINT: DAYCARE!!!!! His argument against numbering people is even more laughable. In any system large enough numbers become the only way possible to keep track of everyone.
The stupid author would probably agrue it is not important to keep track of individuals although how then would centers for higher education know roughly what applicants had learned. I love when people think we should get back to American roots or such BS simply because even in 1900 the 40hr work week hadn't been invented neither had the assembly line. I really don't think more than 5% of american's appreciate how much life changed in this country in a span of 100 years. Anyway, if you choose to leave your blinders on your eyes and long for the good ole days then I pity you.
Ok using I think I will create a site make up statistics then claim them to be true. In Pre-Industrial America/Europe people who were in the upper 1/3 of society had a much easier time accessing education due to its out of pocket costs. Where those from the laborer's class did not have access. This is because if you are working all day every day and at no point in your day are you required to read why would you both value the ability and secondly why would you aquire the skill. I am not saying they couldn't read some. But they didn't have a command of the language like an educated person did.
Now to why your dumb idea would really and truly fail in practice. America is a republic who's elected officials are elected Democratically in a first around the post system. You need an educated populace if you are going to be allowing all of them to vote otherwise you end up with really bad government. Not that even with public education people won't elect morons to public office.
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No I am stating that without rest state bonus the hours it takes to get to lvl 60 is roughly equivalent to 1.5 months of casual gaming. I have a new lvl 60 about every 1.5 months and I don't have as much time to play an "alt" as a casual gamer would because nearly 100% of my time is spent doing lvl 60 content on my main character. Maybe your version of casual is less than 5-6hrs a week gaming, and honestly less than 6hrs a week makes you not casual but non-existant and no one cares. If you can't hit lvl 60 in under 3 months you should just uninstall and quit.
If you think all the quests are just kill this mob or that then you probably don't know where to find all of the quests for different zones and cross zone areas. I guess you just don't like MMORPG's if you have a problem with the quest lines in WoW. Anyways, you have prooved enough times that you either a.) don't care or b.) have no clue about the realities of MMO's so I will just wash my hands of you and of this discussion.
Yet again you show your ignorance. It takes less than a month and a half of casual gaming to hit lvl 60. You can hit lvl 60 after 6 days of played time. So figure about 130 hrs if you are trying to lvl. That is over 100 hrs but not HUNDREDS. If you expect to start any MMORPG and be able to have the skill with your chosen class in under 20hrs then you should think again.
Aside from the real game beginning at 60. All of the quests and content until 60 is superb. It is in fact one of the things people complain about. After 60 it is no longer really a story driven game. It is more of a here is a super hard dungeon go beat it. Although, they have been adding more story type quests for lvl 60's.
For future reference I would suggest not bashing a game using other peoples complaints they had 8 months ago. A game like WoW adds new content every patch and it has had lots of patches.
I would have to agree except that the end game content isn't so bad you should make an alt to avoid it. I know that for me, killing a boss that takes 40 people all doing their part and doing them well is thrilling. The first time we took down Ony, Domo, Rags, Razor, Nef.....they are all very memorable because they were such struggles to achieve. Although I am an alt junky also except I use my alts as relaxation from raiding stress and as a way to get more professions so I can support my raiding bills.
I am not exactly sure how to explain it to someone who obviously is still stuck in a Diablo2 mindset. I will try tho. When you hit lvl 60 you have finally attained all skills that your character can have currently in game. For a real world comparison think of it as graduating college. Now you take the skills you have learned in the first 60 lvls of game play and try to apply them to the real content of the game.
At the moment the hardest instance in the game is AQ (An'Quril sp?). In an instance such as AQ it requires 40 people to play effectively and play their class to a higher level than your standard player. Almost every player who has an active raiding spot in a post lvl 60 raiding guild is better skillwise than a lvl 60 that isn't. To be totally honest with you. There is no challenge in WoW until you hit the post lvl 60 dungeons for the first time and learn them.
The last time in AQ for the guild I am in we fought a boss that wiped our entire 40 person raid in under 20 seconds. There is nothing pre 60 that does that to a player. I guess the thing players need to realize is that leveling a character in an MMORPG is really more like going to school and learning a trade.
Ah but we are talking about an RPG where time is the most critical piece. If you don't have the skill to play your class no one will have you around anyway. Maybe over an 8 hr period the one guy gets 25% more work done but after 32hrs he only doing about 36% of the work.
Clearly you don't play WoW or you just have no concept of end game content. When you reach lvl 60 the game actually just starts. The lvl grind is what most people assume to be the "game" which in fact is just the basic training for end game content. When you hit lvl 60 you then have to play in 20-40 person groups to beat bosses that are very difficult.
I agree with you here. I play WoW alot and do end game content constantly. Because it requires 40 people to do end game content it requires a HUGE time commitment. You would never get people to commit to constantly show up if there was no reward for it. This is what we call the casual vs hardcore gaming argument. End game casual gamers are put aside because you just can't rely on them no matter what skill lvl they have.
Basically if someone (on a scale of 1 to 10) has a skill lvl of 10 but raids 8 hrs a week and someone else is a 7 but raids 32 hrs a week. Then the guy putting in 32hrs will benefit a raid group more from getting rewards than would the guy that only attends 1 raid per week. It is almost like saying if you have 2 employees and 1 works 8 hrs a week and the other 32 hrs, and each of them want a new office. Who would you give it to?
I think you are still missing my overall point. NO ONE cares if they are a GLBT friendly guild except maybe some ultra conservative jackasses. However, Blizzard was exactly correct in putting a muzzle on a guild that was recruiting in their fashon. If they let 1 guild get away with spaming about guild recruitment based off of non game issues on the improper forums and chat channels then it opens the door to allow any other moron to do the same thing.
I realize they are a minority and probably expect special exemption from the rules everyone has to follow but I am glad they didn't recieve it. Granted you might say the rule isn't consistently applied but that is hard to say. You can file a GM report about anyone violating the CoC for the game and usually the GM will squash whatever the issue is real quick.
I think the real issue is no one cares if your guild recruits based off of any ingame issue. Such as, if your guild was just starting Molten Core or Blackwing Lair. GLBT is not content from inside the game so it is exactly the same as recruiting for say "Straight White man Guild". Please also remember that MMORPG's are supposed to basically be a fantasy world that is not concerned with real life.
I would say you have your ideas confused. A market collapse would be more along the lines of people no longer buying any games and the market would be shrinking. However, more people played games this year than last.
What it comes down to is a market shift. Of the current style of games they really haven't improved much of anything in the past 3 years. So, what is happening is gamers are not willing to pay a premium price for games that are exactly the same as the ones 3 years ago except with enhanced graphics. Remember for a market collapse their has to be a shortage of demand. I would argue demand is higher than it ever has been, but the game corps are simply not filling it.
Don't want to rain on your parade, cause I agree with what you have said. I just wanted to point out that Cancer Research is by far the largest field going currently. Then again the field is not so narrowly focused as the study of the brain.
I would disagree with you on the money from the deal making up for the consumers they lose. They probably are thinking that trying to carve out their market more fully will be risky and therefore not garuntee them a payday. With the Intel deal they get their payday and if they die and simply become a brand name then so be it.
Actually you hit the nail mostly on the head. The reason it isn't repression is because it is a law that has been decided deomcratically with freedom of political thought and debate. China does not allow freedom of speech politically speeking. I won't say that the U.S. doesn't have to many laws that allow our citizens to be confined.
How long do you think it would take for our populace to be subdued if the police actually brutally repressed any public gatherings that were disenting with the government? I would guess maybe 20 years and everyone would just learn not to rock the boat. China has been under 1 repressive regime or another for hundreds of years now.
With that all said. The U.S. has been moving closer and closer to a repressive state. I would say the only shining bastion we have left to us currently is the Supreme court which thankfully can nullify laws passed by the government that clearly infringe on our civil liberties.
No I am just saying guilds should be built around common interests from in game. If your guild wants to be about non-gaming issues I doubt anyone would care. As long as you didn't advertise what criteria you are using to decided your members. Sort of like the guild I belong to doesn't recruit. If you want to join you go to our Guild website and post on our recruitment forum.
I guess what it comes down to is how you do things not what things you do. You screen your recruits after they show interest no one cares. You spam general (forums/chat) people get pissed off. It is just one of those gaming things. My personal opinion is that the guild in question had a leader that wanted attention, and instead of building a guild that could take down the toughest content started a ruckus on the forums and in general chat.
Any restaurant can retain the right to refuse service to anyone. Usually it is posted in big bold letters in the entrance. However, YOUR comment takes the argument way out of context. Blizzard doesn't refuse anything to homosexuals. They do require that guilds not post Political/sexual/non-game/etc issues for recruitment on their general forums pages or in game spam in general chat.
Honestly how god damned hard is this to understand. Blizzard won't allow you to recruit in general chat based on being a republican, stripper, democrat, straight guys only, ETC. Their opinion has been if it is non game related keep it inside your guild halls aka your own forum. Blizzard has even stated it is fine for guilds to recruit based off of previous things on Blizzards RECRUITMENT forum but not on the general forum.
Personally I think it was a group of disgruntled homosexual gamers that wanted attention so they broke the rules and then claimed it was blizzard's fault. It wasn't the only reason this is still in the news is because it is easier to blame blizzard than it is the minority. Sure they are a minority but they still broke the rules. I personally hope blizzard bans the people who posted the recruitment based off of sexual orientation in the general forum. It is out of place an unwanted. If I want to find a guild I can go to the recruitment forum.
I could call you a dipshit but I doubt Bush would be offended. The fact is nearly all negative words are associated with a particular group. The object of using them is to make the person that is subject to them react in a particular way. However, I am against using a public forum to either harrass or to expound upon a particular view in a gaming world. People should not be cursing or using derogatory remarks in a game where all those around can view. Christians may offend me and I wouldn't be happy if they could preach in game. Luckliy there is a report to a GM button. I would use this in many situations. Its a game and you should check your real life shit at the door.
I still think you hold onto this misconception that Blizzard is censoring or telling this group they can't have a GLBT guild. They aren't. Simply that you can't advertise for it in the games general forum or in general chat in game. Blizzard also isn't telling them they can't advert their guild in either of those places excepting when they advertise it as a GLBT guild.
Blizzard is basically saying they don't care if you advertise your guild they only care if you bring in non-game issues into the advertising of it. Or do you think it would be ok for a group to advertise a guild open and friendly to KKK members?
LoL so you are ok with censoring people in this regard.....where does it stop? Seriously if you have a problem seeing %!$*^ on your screen then don't connect to the internet. If all I ever heard in a day was BEEP when someone said a word or phrase I didn't like on a crowded street or train I would be completely happy with it.
Maybe you don't know this but tolerance is not acceptance. Most minority groups and just people for that matter crave acceptance and will demand it. The problem arises when they think that tolerance means acceptance. It doesn't. This comes back to cursing in an online chat. If 1 dude calls another a Bitch I would not consider that to be harrasment of women or female dogs. If he called a player known to him to be a woman a bitch then he is harrassing her.
Clearly you don't realize that it is not against blizzards TOS to type Faggot but it is to type F4g0t. You will get a warning for first offense, suspension for 2nd and a ban for the 3rd. Maybe you haven't played MMO's recently but diliberatly countermanding a profanity filter is MAJORLY against the rules. Just because you are talking out of your ass doesn't give you any ground to stand on. Yes you can avoid the filter but anyone that reports you can get you banned. That also means if you type Sh;t 5h;t S|-|it etc. So, as we say in WoW. LEARN2PLAY.
I know not every guild has been told to keep to guild recruitment forum. However, most guilds don't form based around an out of game social demographic. I have seen a guild called El Paso renamed because it violated ToS, but Bliz won't disband your guild because they don't like what your guild talks about in /g or what social demographic you come from. They don't care unless you are stirring up a rucus. Then they enforce the rules.
Also, you have to realize people that don't like this GLBT friendly guild can use the in game rules and petitions against the guild as long as they aren't following Bliz's rules. Once the guild is following Bliz's rules then Bliz can protect them from a lot of the harrasment that is sure to follow.
Its called a profanity filter and yes it edits out "Fag" and "Nigger" so use it.
Yet another person writing with out reading. I am glad you can write but please read first. Blizzard is not unfriendly to any group of players desire to play with like minded people. You just can't spam that sort of thing in General chat ON THE SERVER. You can make a post about it on the Guild Recruitment forum but not when you are standing in Ironforge typing /1 (general) LOOKING FOR GLBT FRIENDLY PPL TO JOIN GUILD. Most guilds simply recruit saying /1 (general) is looking for new recruits for (casual/endgame/etc) players. Go to www.guildpage.com for recruiting information or msg....player name.
If that was how Oz had been recruiting anyone that was looking for a guild would have been immediately given the information it was a GLBT friendly guild and could make their choice afterwards. Also, had anyone followed through the recruitment advert and subsequently started posting in /1 (general) OMGZOR Oz GUILD IS HOMO LOLLERSKATES!!!! then that person would have been banned due to harrasment. Two very different ways to get a guild with that is friendly to GLBT person except the second way would be following Blizzards CoC instead of breaking it.
RTFA! The fact is Bliz says you can't advertise IN GAME in a certain way then it is end of story. They did not say you can't have a GLBT Friendly guild. They just said in General chat it is not permissable to advertise a guild that excludes people. Bliz also said that the GLBT friendly guild COULD advertise as such on the Guild Recruitment Forum. Just not in the games General Chat.
Clearly if a guild was recruiting as a (random interest group) guild that you disagreed with. You would not want them cluttering up General chat in game. But if you have affiliations with that random interest group you should still have the right to seek out and play with others of that group. That is what a forum is for.
And lets be honest. Oz Guild was breaking the Code of Conduct for the game and even if they weren't if Blizzard thought that it had the potential to cause significant issues on a server they had to put an end to it. Its like saying my Grandpa's name was Richard Ball that I should be allowed to use DickBall as a toon name in the game. Maybe you think there is free speech in an MMO. To that I say go play one and find out why there isn't.
I would guess /. matters very little to them. Especially considering how many posts are on their own forums and they hardly look at them.
Although I won't deny that 5 man game play can be equally difficult as 40 man. You are very off base in your assessment. Organization is a key factor but not the only one or even the most important one. If you have just 1 or 2 people screwing around in a 40 man raid it can and mostlikely will wipe the raid. It takes 40 people, all of whom could do a 5 man dungeon much more easily( because you need no coordination), acting in concert playing their role effectively.
If you fall for that tripe I have ocean front property in Arizona for you. His arguments are the same as those that blame deficiencies in a childs moral make-up on schools, video games, or T.V. Most kids in early america did get some education and after they were big enough to work they were denied an advanced education because their family needed the money. So what does that say about current education....HERES A HINT: DAYCARE!!!!! His argument against numbering people is even more laughable. In any system large enough numbers become the only way possible to keep track of everyone.
The stupid author would probably agrue it is not important to keep track of individuals although how then would centers for higher education know roughly what applicants had learned. I love when people think we should get back to American roots or such BS simply because even in 1900 the 40hr work week hadn't been invented neither had the assembly line. I really don't think more than 5% of american's appreciate how much life changed in this country in a span of 100 years. Anyway, if you choose to leave your blinders on your eyes and long for the good ole days then I pity you.
Ok using I think I will create a site make up statistics then claim them to be true. In Pre-Industrial America/Europe people who were in the upper 1/3 of society had a much easier time accessing education due to its out of pocket costs. Where those from the laborer's class did not have access. This is because if you are working all day every day and at no point in your day are you required to read why would you both value the ability and secondly why would you aquire the skill. I am not saying they couldn't read some. But they didn't have a command of the language like an educated person did.
Now to why your dumb idea would really and truly fail in practice. America is a republic who's elected officials are elected Democratically in a first around the post system. You need an educated populace if you are going to be allowing all of them to vote otherwise you end up with really bad government. Not that even with public education people won't elect morons to public office.