Retaining LLC status does absolutely nothing to indemnify google when they've setup the entire corporate structure. It's called veil piercing. If motorola is infrining on patents, and google has chosen the entire corporate structure - and continues to steer the direction of the company (which they have), they are liable.
Under the terms of Google's licensing, Android is supplied without legal indemnification. That means Google has transferred all legal liability to the device makers. That basically means Google is saying "We wrote this code, we don't know if it violates any patents, but if it does, it's your problem, not ours."
Just because you say Google is liable, that doesn't make it so. Google's lawyers would disagree with that, and Google has already moved to protect themselves.
If you could stop switching topics for three seconds, it might help. We were talking about Motorola, not android. Google is liable for Motorola, period.
I believe those words are being pulled out of someone's ass (no way Google isn't telling Moto what to do), but it's not my ass they're being pulled out of.
Putting in a separate management structure has exactly "0" to do with legal liability. You are pulling this out of your ass.
Preaching to the choir, but LEGALLY (note the LEGALLY) Motorola is still a separate organization and Google is not necessary liable for their actions. Much like if you owned a business, people could only sue the business, not you directly. It's a common business strategy to protect one's self from legal liability. Remember, legally corporations are people, and Motorola, as long as it exists as a separate company, is still a separate "person".
Except that's not what google did. Other than that, great use of wikipedia. If you took three seconds to look at a balance sheet, you'd see that google includes Motorola's assest and liabilities under it's own umbrella, because it isn't operating it as a separate corporate entity. It isn't on the stock market because it no longer operates as a separate entity: http://www.google.com/finance?q=MMI It is running as a business unit of google inc with an independent management structure. But don't let those pesky little facts get in the way of the story you've fabricated based on a quote in a cnet article. http://investor.google.com/earnings/2012/Q2_google_earnings.html
Ya, it doesn't work that way. If Apple sues, google is liable. And they aren't "independently operated" in any sense of the word, I don't know why you keep saying that, I'm guessing it's because you just pulled it out of your ass to try to make a point when you had none. As soon as the acquisition was completed, Dennis Woodside, a google employee, took over as CEO. In the last month alone they've fired half the management staff and replaced them with googlers. The company is run entirely by google and it isn't something they're attempting to hide.
Last I checked an OEM relationship is just that. Dell OEM's servers for a myriad of manufacturers, the agreement puts liability/warranty/etc. on the end-seller, not Dell. Furthermore, they own Motorola and directly make handsets if you REALLY want to go there. But please, keep telling us all how Google doesn't sell hardware.
While I'm not thrilled about our "world police" attitude, I question: then who the hell is going to? Do you really think China would not have long ago tried to take over most of Asia were it not for the threat of US intervention? Russia would not be trying to re-unite the USSR (through military means rather than the economic coersion they're currently attempting)?
And who would stop them? I hate to break it to you, but our military spending means you don't have to, and your leaders have been banking on that for decades.
Cloud is RARELY cheaper. If you're making that argument you clearly haven't done a CAPEX and OPEX comparison. The argument is: if it breaks internally, you can set realistic expectations of recovery time. If it breaks in the cloud you get to sit on your thumb and hope someone clued is looking at it. If you've migrated 90k users you might have someone you can dial up and yell at. If you've moved over your shop of 50 employee's you can send an email and hope for the best.
Let's continue to have a walled garden internet of "providers" and "consumers" with significant price differentials depending on which you want to be. That's what you're lobbying.
I'll take some things being broken in the short term so that the internet can operate like it was originally intended to in the long term.
Apple actually does ipv6 right. I run ipv6 at home, and all of my OSX systems handle it flawlessly. Win7 requires me to kill ipv6, because there's no good way to tell the system to prefer ipv6. It ALWAYS tries to do lookups via ipv6 first. I've tried all the registry hacks and I've yet to get it to change that behavior. Because of that, queries always fail, and shit randomly breaks. This is the *wrong way* MS. Let me easily set priority of v4 vs. v6.
The problem with Apple is the oversimplification shit has gone too far on this one. They wanted airport utility to match the iphone utility, and the iphone utility is completely crippled. They should've found a way to increase functionality in the iphone app instead of removing it from the standalone.
You can when the company runs around telling the workers if the union goes away their pay and benefits will increase. When reality is half of them will be laid off.
I bought a phone off ebay that was supposedly new and clean. I took it into a vzw store to register it, and they told me the ESN was coming back as stolen. At that point I asked if they could take the phone and return it to the person who had it stolen. "We don't get involved in these matters". Could they email them, call them, contact them? "We don't get involved in these matters". What if I call the police and give them the phone, will you give them the customer information so they can get them their phone back? "We won't help the police without a warrant".
What a bunch of fucking crooks. The only reason they "don't get involved" is because they make money selling a replacement phone. It should be criminal for them to refuse to notify the owner of the property that their stolen property had been recovered.
I purchased a phone off ebay a few years back. I took it to a verizon store to be activated, and when I went to do it, they told me the ESN (basically phone serial number) was coming back as stolen. I then asked if I could:
Get the original owners information so I could give them their phone back. (nope, we can't disclose customer information).
Give the phone to them, so they could return it. (nope, we don't get involved in 'disputes').
Give the phone to the police so they could get the phone back to the original owner and prosecute the seller. (nope, they would also refuse to assist law enforcement without a warrant).
It became obvious pretty quickly they were more interested in selling customers who were robbed and potentially assaulted a new phone than helping them find justice. Any company that takes this stance should be subject to severe fines IMO. I realize there's room for abuse if they "get involved" but at some point you need to look out for your customer's best interests, even if it does cost you the occasional mistake/lawsuit.
I hear this repeated over and over again, but it's never by anyone who is actually in education. As the child of two teachers, I can tell you that's complete bullshit. We live in a unionized state, and when they've had bad teachers, NOBODY in the union wants to defend them, and they are quickly removed from their position.
I'm so sick of this sudden fad in America for everyone to run around claiming the only reason unions exist is to protect inept/lazy people from losing their jobs. It's provably false.
That's absolutely ridiculous, and you're showing a glaring lack of knowledge. The 4.6 in the police interceptor package includes a different air intake. That's it. The engine is otherwise identical to those found in hundreds of thousands of ford pickups, mustangs, explorers, crown vics, etc. etc. etc. Police departments don't buy them "because they are cheap". They buy them because they're reliable. The exact same reason taxi companies buy retired cop cars.
Now you're comparing a diesel engine to a gas engine. Which again shows a complete lack of automotive knowledge. There are FAR more dodge ram pickups with cummins engines in them over a million miles than greek taxi's. And they do *REAL* work. Try comparing apples to apples.
If you bought a 1994 with 52k miles and it blew up, you did something wrong or the previous owner did. Do you know how many crown victoria's there are on the road that went from police service to taxi service? Do you know why taxi services all pick up used crown vic's? Because they're RELIABLE. Parts are CHEAP. It's extremely uncommon to find a crown vic taxi on the road with under 200k miles. And if they required engine rebuilds at 50k, you can bet your ass both police forces and taxi companies would have nothing to do with them.
Your experience is abnormal. Your opinion is biased.
You haven't asked many people who own corvette's how many miles they have on their cars then. I personally know three, and they've all heavily modded them to boot. Original block with nitrous and making over 500whp. The LS family of engines is by far the most reliable production V8 on the planet.
As for "millions", there were 20k vette's produced in 1992. Not millions. There were roughly 40k Camaro's built per year with the LT1, also not anywhere near millions. And there are ten's of thousands of those still on the road.
That tuned for performance? That car was an overrated 295HP at the crank and weighed 4300lbs. Those cars were a dog, and the performance numbers are extremely underwhelming for a V12.
A 1992 Corvette made an underrated 300HP at the crank out of a V8, and there are THOUSANDS of them on the road with far more than 100k miles on the original engine. The same engine went into the 94-97 Camaro. If you lump those in, it's a non-starter. Not to mention the thousands of Camaro's on the original engine that through modifications are making double those numbers and still running strong.
Not to sound too cliche, but freedom isn't free. If the cost of the government not being allowed to shut down our communications is the occasional bomb being triggered by a cellphone, so be it. This is rife for abuse. Oh, people are protesting in DC and they want to send in the riot patrol? I hear there might be a bomb in the area, better shut down the networks!
About the cheapest pile of trash you can find for a new car in the US right now runs ~$12k. I'd say an extra $200 is EXTREMELY cheap. Quoting figures for outfitting existing cars is absolutely ridiculous since the NHTSA has grandfathered in vehicles for every standard they've ever passed besides the most egregious of issues. IE: your car can't spontaneously explode in a rear-end collision like the pre-fix pinto's.
It's also not reasonable to expect every bank in the US to have the security of fort knox. It would both be impossible for the bank to do business with customers if it was a three hour ordeal anytime someone wanted to make a deposit in the bank. As well as impossible to fund the amount of time and resources to secure them all.
In the same way, it's completely unreasonable to expect every windows machine in every home in the world to have the kind of security say... the personal desktop of a security researcher has. Or the mainframe that processes transactions for Visa.
Basic horse riding is pretty trivial and could be learned in an afternoon with additional solo practice after the fact. Training/taming a horse on the other hand, is the real problem.
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Retaining LLC status does absolutely nothing to indemnify google when they've setup the entire corporate structure. It's called veil piercing. If motorola is infrining on patents, and google has chosen the entire corporate structure - and continues to steer the direction of the company (which they have), they are liable.
What is this, the Chewbacca defense?
Under the terms of Google's licensing, Android is supplied without legal indemnification. That means Google has transferred all legal liability to the device makers. That basically means Google is saying "We wrote this code, we don't know if it violates any patents, but if it does, it's your problem, not ours."
Just because you say Google is liable, that doesn't make it so. Google's lawyers would disagree with that, and Google has already moved to protect themselves.
If you could stop switching topics for three seconds, it might help. We were talking about Motorola, not android. Google is liable for Motorola, period.
They're not my words, they're Google's. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57438986-94/google-officially-closes-$12.5-billion-motorola-mobility-deal/ "Google has made it clear that Motorola will operate independently from its own operation"
I believe those words are being pulled out of someone's ass (no way Google isn't telling Moto what to do), but it's not my ass they're being pulled out of.
Putting in a separate management structure has exactly "0" to do with legal liability. You are pulling this out of your ass.
Preaching to the choir, but LEGALLY (note the LEGALLY) Motorola is still a separate organization and Google is not necessary liable for their actions. Much like if you owned a business, people could only sue the business, not you directly. It's a common business strategy to protect one's self from legal liability. Remember, legally corporations are people, and Motorola, as long as it exists as a separate company, is still a separate "person".
More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piercing_the_corporate_veil
Except that's not what google did. Other than that, great use of wikipedia. If you took three seconds to look at a balance sheet, you'd see that google includes Motorola's assest and liabilities under it's own umbrella, because it isn't operating it as a separate corporate entity. It isn't on the stock market because it no longer operates as a separate entity:
http://www.google.com/finance?q=MMI
It is running as a business unit of google inc with an independent management structure. But don't let those pesky little facts get in the way of the story you've fabricated based on a quote in a cnet article.
http://investor.google.com/earnings/2012/Q2_google_earnings.html
Ya, it doesn't work that way. If Apple sues, google is liable. And they aren't "independently operated" in any sense of the word, I don't know why you keep saying that, I'm guessing it's because you just pulled it out of your ass to try to make a point when you had none. As soon as the acquisition was completed, Dennis Woodside, a google employee, took over as CEO. In the last month alone they've fired half the management staff and replaced them with googlers. The company is run entirely by google and it isn't something they're attempting to hide.
Last I checked an OEM relationship is just that. Dell OEM's servers for a myriad of manufacturers, the agreement puts liability/warranty/etc. on the end-seller, not Dell. Furthermore, they own Motorola and directly make handsets if you REALLY want to go there. But please, keep telling us all how Google doesn't sell hardware.
Fox News isn't America. Obama didn't win because the things you just rattled off are ideas shared among the majority of our population.
While I'm not thrilled about our "world police" attitude, I question: then who the hell is going to? Do you really think China would not have long ago tried to take over most of Asia were it not for the threat of US intervention? Russia would not be trying to re-unite the USSR (through military means rather than the economic coersion they're currently attempting)?
And who would stop them? I hate to break it to you, but our military spending means you don't have to, and your leaders have been banking on that for decades.
Google doesn't sell android? That's weird because I bought a phone directly from them.
http://www.google.com/nexus/#/
Cloud is RARELY cheaper. If you're making that argument you clearly haven't done a CAPEX and OPEX comparison. The argument is: if it breaks internally, you can set realistic expectations of recovery time. If it breaks in the cloud you get to sit on your thumb and hope someone clued is looking at it. If you've migrated 90k users you might have someone you can dial up and yell at. If you've moved over your shop of 50 employee's you can send an email and hope for the best.
Let's continue to have a walled garden internet of "providers" and "consumers" with significant price differentials depending on which you want to be. That's what you're lobbying.
I'll take some things being broken in the short term so that the internet can operate like it was originally intended to in the long term.
Apple actually does ipv6 right. I run ipv6 at home, and all of my OSX systems handle it flawlessly. Win7 requires me to kill ipv6, because there's no good way to tell the system to prefer ipv6. It ALWAYS tries to do lookups via ipv6 first. I've tried all the registry hacks and I've yet to get it to change that behavior. Because of that, queries always fail, and shit randomly breaks. This is the *wrong way* MS. Let me easily set priority of v4 vs. v6.
The problem with Apple is the oversimplification shit has gone too far on this one. They wanted airport utility to match the iphone utility, and the iphone utility is completely crippled. They should've found a way to increase functionality in the iphone app instead of removing it from the standalone.
You can when the company runs around telling the workers if the union goes away their pay and benefits will increase. When reality is half of them will be laid off.
I bought a phone off ebay that was supposedly new and clean. I took it into a vzw store to register it, and they told me the ESN was coming back as stolen. At that point I asked if they could take the phone and return it to the person who had it stolen. "We don't get involved in these matters". Could they email them, call them, contact them? "We don't get involved in these matters". What if I call the police and give them the phone, will you give them the customer information so they can get them their phone back? "We won't help the police without a warrant".
What a bunch of fucking crooks. The only reason they "don't get involved" is because they make money selling a replacement phone. It should be criminal for them to refuse to notify the owner of the property that their stolen property had been recovered.
www.monoprice.com
Monoprice > * You can get gold plated cables and it's not going to cost you $30 unless you need about a 20' cable.
Hosted in the cloud to boot: https://www.dropcam.com/
I purchased a phone off ebay a few years back. I took it to a verizon store to be activated, and when I went to do it, they told me the ESN (basically phone serial number) was coming back as stolen. I then asked if I could:
Get the original owners information so I could give them their phone back. (nope, we can't disclose customer information).
Give the phone to them, so they could return it. (nope, we don't get involved in 'disputes').
Give the phone to the police so they could get the phone back to the original owner and prosecute the seller. (nope, they would also refuse to assist law enforcement without a warrant).
It became obvious pretty quickly they were more interested in selling customers who were robbed and potentially assaulted a new phone than helping them find justice. Any company that takes this stance should be subject to severe fines IMO. I realize there's room for abuse if they "get involved" but at some point you need to look out for your customer's best interests, even if it does cost you the occasional mistake/lawsuit.
I hear this repeated over and over again, but it's never by anyone who is actually in education. As the child of two teachers, I can tell you that's complete bullshit. We live in a unionized state, and when they've had bad teachers, NOBODY in the union wants to defend them, and they are quickly removed from their position.
I'm so sick of this sudden fad in America for everyone to run around claiming the only reason unions exist is to protect inept/lazy people from losing their jobs. It's provably false.
That's absolutely ridiculous, and you're showing a glaring lack of knowledge. The 4.6 in the police interceptor package includes a different air intake. That's it. The engine is otherwise identical to those found in hundreds of thousands of ford pickups, mustangs, explorers, crown vics, etc. etc. etc. Police departments don't buy them "because they are cheap". They buy them because they're reliable. The exact same reason taxi companies buy retired cop cars.
Now you're comparing a diesel engine to a gas engine. Which again shows a complete lack of automotive knowledge. There are FAR more dodge ram pickups with cummins engines in them over a million miles than greek taxi's. And they do *REAL* work. Try comparing apples to apples.
If you bought a 1994 with 52k miles and it blew up, you did something wrong or the previous owner did. Do you know how many crown victoria's there are on the road that went from police service to taxi service? Do you know why taxi services all pick up used crown vic's? Because they're RELIABLE. Parts are CHEAP. It's extremely uncommon to find a crown vic taxi on the road with under 200k miles. And if they required engine rebuilds at 50k, you can bet your ass both police forces and taxi companies would have nothing to do with them.
Your experience is abnormal. Your opinion is biased.
You haven't asked many people who own corvette's how many miles they have on their cars then. I personally know three, and they've all heavily modded them to boot. Original block with nitrous and making over 500whp. The LS family of engines is by far the most reliable production V8 on the planet.
As for "millions", there were 20k vette's produced in 1992. Not millions. There were roughly 40k Camaro's built per year with the LT1, also not anywhere near millions. And there are ten's of thousands of those still on the road.
You drove a car 2k miles without a problem and want to use that as a valid sample set? Biased opinion is biased.
That tuned for performance? That car was an overrated 295HP at the crank and weighed 4300lbs. Those cars were a dog, and the performance numbers are extremely underwhelming for a V12.
A 1992 Corvette made an underrated 300HP at the crank out of a V8, and there are THOUSANDS of them on the road with far more than 100k miles on the original engine. The same engine went into the 94-97 Camaro. If you lump those in, it's a non-starter. Not to mention the thousands of Camaro's on the original engine that through modifications are making double those numbers and still running strong.
Not to sound too cliche, but freedom isn't free. If the cost of the government not being allowed to shut down our communications is the occasional bomb being triggered by a cellphone, so be it. This is rife for abuse. Oh, people are protesting in DC and they want to send in the riot patrol? I hear there might be a bomb in the area, better shut down the networks!
About the cheapest pile of trash you can find for a new car in the US right now runs ~$12k. I'd say an extra $200 is EXTREMELY cheap. Quoting figures for outfitting existing cars is absolutely ridiculous since the NHTSA has grandfathered in vehicles for every standard they've ever passed besides the most egregious of issues. IE: your car can't spontaneously explode in a rear-end collision like the pre-fix pinto's.
It's also not reasonable to expect every bank in the US to have the security of fort knox. It would both be impossible for the bank to do business with customers if it was a three hour ordeal anytime someone wanted to make a deposit in the bank. As well as impossible to fund the amount of time and resources to secure them all.
In the same way, it's completely unreasonable to expect every windows machine in every home in the world to have the kind of security say... the personal desktop of a security researcher has. Or the mainframe that processes transactions for Visa.
Basic horse riding is pretty trivial and could be learned in an afternoon with additional solo practice after the fact. Training/taming a horse on the other hand, is the real problem.