This is the spam problem. You don't have to catch them all, you just have to raise the risk factor and lower the reward. If you make it a sufficiently big PITA to engage in this kind of criminal activity, it will be greatly reduced. All the morons out there that suggest that we shouldn't do anything about it until we have a perfect solution are ultimately a big part of the problem.
The more inconvenient it is and the more places they have to go to sell scrap, the more likely it is that they'll get caught. It's not rocket science.
You're working off the assumption that you can deter people by making the scrap side of the equation difficult. That would work if you were dealing with a standard thief. This isn't standard thieves, it's generally drug addicts who don't really care if they're going to get jail time. They'll find a way to work the system. I don't recall saying we should do nothing. The options proposed above are just not something that will at all help the problem. The electric fences, however, sound like a great idea.
So what are they supposed to keep a record of? "Received four copper pipes today of 7', 3', 2' in length".
And then what? If the thief is even remotely smart, they'll cut down what they steal, and then go around town selling chopped pieces to the various scrappers. And how is anyone going to prove whether they sold legitimate scrap or something that was stolen?
Ya, you missed the part where the Marshall plan didn't include the allies displacing half the residents of Germany taking over their homes and businesses and handing them over to their own citizens. They also didn't spend the next 50 years expanding that occupation. Outside of that, great analogy.
By my argument nobody has the right to forcefully remove someone from their home because one of their ancestors may or may not have happened to live in the spot at some point in time. "Judea" does not "belong" to the Jews. Using a religious document in an attempt to justify persecution of the palestinians is pathetic, and gets you nowhere with any remotely sane person.
So now it's OK to murder someone and take land on the basis that a fictional document claims your ancestors lived there? I hate to break it to you but by that justification EVERYONE has rights to that land because our shared ancestors were there LONG before there was any concept of a Jew or religion.
If the US decided tomorrow to take over Toronto and start rounding up the existing residents and putting them in what amounts to a concentration camp, I'd expect at some point they'd fight back and try to reclaim their houses/businesses/schools. I'm not sure if I'm more dumbfounded that you really just suggested that an entire race of people be exterminated in order to more easily steal their land and belongings, or that someone upvoted you for doing so. I guess the Jewish social media brigade is out in full force this week.
There are different tags for doe vs. buck to account for this, the DNR isn't stupid. For every "trophy buck hunter" there are 10 guys who just want venison in the freezer and would much rather take the easier deer.
They use Linux, there is no proprietary OS. From their own description:
RTS OS is a single-node integrated storage operating system based on Linux and the standard Linux Unified Target, developed by RisingTide Systems (RTS), including support for iSCSI, Fibre Channel, FCoE, InfiniBand, SMB2 and NFS3/4.
Again you bring cost into a discussion that has nothing to do with cost. Linux being free isn't why features don't get backported. They don't get backported because it's not worth the effort involved. Major features don't get backported from ANY vendor. AIX, Solaris, HPUX, VMS, pick your poison. Appliances from the various vendors, switch makers, router makers, etc. etc. etc. No software developer in their right mind will do so unless they've got a very large customer with a very large checkbook willing to foot the bill because of the cost associated with backporting, testing, and supporting new features in old code. There are only so many developers working on a project, and they generally have a maintaining engineering structure for patching old code, and a development team who works on the latest release.
Quite frankly you strike me as someone who hasn't spent a day in a real business working on code.
So your complaint is a company is trying to make money. Welcome to the real world where people sell things to make money. Are there other methods of making money on software, sure. But that's not what MS chose, get over it. When you purchase Windows 7, you are purchasing a set of features. MS isn't taking anything away when they release new features in a new OS. MS isn't promising to backport features to Windows 7. If you want the new features, you buy the new version. If you don't want them, you stick with what you've got. Linux being "free" is absolutely irrelevant to the fact that sometimes you need to upgrade software to get new features. You're complaining about a business model you disagree with in a discussion about new features requiring new software. It has no place in this discussion.
Right, if you decide to randomly skip versions because you're trying to paint a story, you get 5 years. Of course here where we aren't watching Fox News we look at facts, and reality. You can't skip windows 3.1 or 98 because you personally don't think the changes were great enough. If you don't think 95> 98 was a huge leap, you either never used both, or you're simply being an asshat trying to make a point that doesn't exist.
Apple absolutely blows, the fact you're even attempting to compare their support to Microsoft shows you're a fanboy and nothing more. I've been using an Apple laptop and an MS desktop for 10 years - the idea Apple supports their OS's longer is a lie. Period. You claimed a decade of support and you were 100% wrong. So you try to switch the conversation from a desktop OS to iPod's? Stick to the subject at hand. Apple's mantra of "it just works" is - it just works if you keep buying new stuff every time we come out with something new. And we refuse to comply with standards so we can rape you on special adapters.
As for features in service packs, XP was the exception not the rule. It's been the only release of windows to get significant changes from a service pack, and the *ONLY* reason it got them was because Vista was delayed.
In conclusion - You're a microsoft hating fanboy who is more concerned with trying to make a point that doesn't exist than acknowledging reality.
MS doesn't release every 5 years, it's releases every 3. 8 is not early, it's on the exact same cadence they've had for 2 decades minus the misstep that was Vista. Vista was the exception because they bit off more than then could chew and realized they had to back off what they were originally trying which cost them another year and a half on the release.
Dos 1.0 - 85
2.0 - 87
Windows 3.0 - 90
3.1 - 92
95 - 95
98 - 98
2000 - 2000
XP - 2001
Now you're comparing them to Apple? HAH! They've NEVER backported a new feature to a previous release. They have never supported an OS for a decade, are you insane? 10 years ago OSX 10.2 was the newest version. There hasn't been a patch for that OS since 2003 - 2 years of support. Put the crack pipe down.
As for Windows 7 - they said no service pack, that in NO WAY means they won't continue supporting it. It simply means they aren't doing roll-ups. You are clueless.
In other news, Google releases android 4.2 with a new camera, a new keyboard, and smoother rendering. They aren't porting any of these features back to 2.3 or 4.0. Is this what it's come to?
Linux has incorporated btrfs into the 3.x kernel and isn't porting it back to the 2.4 kernel. Is this what it's come to? Etc. etc. etc. Yes, this is Slashdot, but the MS bashing was played out sometime around 2006. If you're going to pick on them, at least pick something legitimate and don't whine about them not backporting features ad-infinitum.
It couldn't find a popular restaurant in a major metropolitan area for starters. Couldn't figure out a street address W vs. E so it put me 15 miles in the wrong direction. And last but not least, it had no idea there was road construction on a major highway, causing me to have to drive 30 miles out of my way down gravel roads.
Really? So how would one go about jailbreaking an iPhone 5? I previously had a droid-x, bought an iphone-5, used it for about a week, and returned it. The walled garden, plus distinct lack of google app support made it a non-starter.
Right, but handicapping OSX so that it more closely mimics IOS is absolutely idiotic. Like limiting spaces to left/right only and removing up/down. That still outrages me to no end. I HATE not having up/down.
Nobody is talking about the icons... they're talking about the applications themselves. You're arguing against a point that nobody is even discussing...
No, they didn't want "more information on top of money". It's been explicitly stated what they wanted - google branding on the maps application, and latitude support. Apple said no. Google is in NO WAY at fault, Steve Job's ego is the sole reason that turn-by-turn never made it into IOS.
Why wouldn't sales currently be deteriorating? Their current phones run WP7.5, with no upgrade option to WP8. They pre-announced the 920, 2+ months before anyone could buy one, so people have stopped buying 900's. Why would you buy a phone that you know is obsolete when you can wait a couple months? If their sales still suck in February, we can start calling it a crisis. Until then, it's just people making something out of nothing.
The one thing I will say I think is an absolutely idiotic move on Nokia's part if it's true, is that they are supposedly giving AT&T exclusive rights to the 920. In the position they're currently in, they should be trying to get it onto every network possible from day 1. It's not like the iphone where there were no other options on other networks. By going exclusive, they're just going to give HTC and Samsung the opportunity to build a user base on Verizon/T-mobile/Sprint. They gain essentially nothing. The only way it would've helped would have been if they were the only WP8 phone on the market.
Yes because if China decided to invade Taiwan tomorrow, the UN (without the US military to back it up), has the firepower to do more than pass a resolution letting China know just how upset they are. Get real. The UN is a toothless beast that can barely handle third world warlords much less a first-world military conflict.
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This is the spam problem. You don't have to catch them all, you just have to raise the risk factor and lower the reward. If you make it a sufficiently big PITA to engage in this kind of criminal activity, it will be greatly reduced. All the morons out there that suggest that we shouldn't do anything about it until we have a perfect solution are ultimately a big part of the problem.
The more inconvenient it is and the more places they have to go to sell scrap, the more likely it is that they'll get caught. It's not rocket science.
You're working off the assumption that you can deter people by making the scrap side of the equation difficult. That would work if you were dealing with a standard thief. This isn't standard thieves, it's generally drug addicts who don't really care if they're going to get jail time. They'll find a way to work the system. I don't recall saying we should do nothing. The options proposed above are just not something that will at all help the problem. The electric fences, however, sound like a great idea.
Material received, from whom received, price paid, date.
Yes, that already occurs in pretty much every state...
So what are they supposed to keep a record of? "Received four copper pipes today of 7', 3', 2' in length".
And then what? If the thief is even remotely smart, they'll cut down what they steal, and then go around town selling chopped pieces to the various scrappers. And how is anyone going to prove whether they sold legitimate scrap or something that was stolen?
Ya, you missed the part where the Marshall plan didn't include the allies displacing half the residents of Germany taking over their homes and businesses and handing them over to their own citizens. They also didn't spend the next 50 years expanding that occupation. Outside of that, great analogy.
By my argument nobody has the right to forcefully remove someone from their home because one of their ancestors may or may not have happened to live in the spot at some point in time. "Judea" does not "belong" to the Jews. Using a religious document in an attempt to justify persecution of the palestinians is pathetic, and gets you nowhere with any remotely sane person.
So now it's OK to murder someone and take land on the basis that a fictional document claims your ancestors lived there? I hate to break it to you but by that justification EVERYONE has rights to that land because our shared ancestors were there LONG before there was any concept of a Jew or religion.
If the US decided tomorrow to take over Toronto and start rounding up the existing residents and putting them in what amounts to a concentration camp, I'd expect at some point they'd fight back and try to reclaim their houses/businesses/schools. I'm not sure if I'm more dumbfounded that you really just suggested that an entire race of people be exterminated in order to more easily steal their land and belongings, or that someone upvoted you for doing so. I guess the Jewish social media brigade is out in full force this week.
There are different tags for doe vs. buck to account for this, the DNR isn't stupid. For every "trophy buck hunter" there are 10 guys who just want venison in the freezer and would much rather take the easier deer.
They use Linux, there is no proprietary OS. From their own description:
RTS OS is a single-node integrated storage operating system based on Linux and the standard Linux Unified Target, developed by RisingTide Systems (RTS), including support for iSCSI, Fibre Channel, FCoE, InfiniBand, SMB2 and NFS3/4.
http://www.linux-iscsi.org/wiki/RTS_OS
Again you bring cost into a discussion that has nothing to do with cost. Linux being free isn't why features don't get backported. They don't get backported because it's not worth the effort involved. Major features don't get backported from ANY vendor. AIX, Solaris, HPUX, VMS, pick your poison. Appliances from the various vendors, switch makers, router makers, etc. etc. etc. No software developer in their right mind will do so unless they've got a very large customer with a very large checkbook willing to foot the bill because of the cost associated with backporting, testing, and supporting new features in old code. There are only so many developers working on a project, and they generally have a maintaining engineering structure for patching old code, and a development team who works on the latest release.
Quite frankly you strike me as someone who hasn't spent a day in a real business working on code.
So your complaint is a company is trying to make money. Welcome to the real world where people sell things to make money. Are there other methods of making money on software, sure. But that's not what MS chose, get over it. When you purchase Windows 7, you are purchasing a set of features. MS isn't taking anything away when they release new features in a new OS. MS isn't promising to backport features to Windows 7. If you want the new features, you buy the new version. If you don't want them, you stick with what you've got. Linux being "free" is absolutely irrelevant to the fact that sometimes you need to upgrade software to get new features. You're complaining about a business model you disagree with in a discussion about new features requiring new software. It has no place in this discussion.
Right, if you decide to randomly skip versions because you're trying to paint a story, you get 5 years. Of course here where we aren't watching Fox News we look at facts, and reality. You can't skip windows 3.1 or 98 because you personally don't think the changes were great enough. If you don't think 95> 98 was a huge leap, you either never used both, or you're simply being an asshat trying to make a point that doesn't exist.
Apple absolutely blows, the fact you're even attempting to compare their support to Microsoft shows you're a fanboy and nothing more. I've been using an Apple laptop and an MS desktop for 10 years - the idea Apple supports their OS's longer is a lie. Period. You claimed a decade of support and you were 100% wrong. So you try to switch the conversation from a desktop OS to iPod's? Stick to the subject at hand. Apple's mantra of "it just works" is - it just works if you keep buying new stuff every time we come out with something new. And we refuse to comply with standards so we can rape you on special adapters.
As for features in service packs, XP was the exception not the rule. It's been the only release of windows to get significant changes from a service pack, and the *ONLY* reason it got them was because Vista was delayed.
In conclusion - You're a microsoft hating fanboy who is more concerned with trying to make a point that doesn't exist than acknowledging reality.
MS doesn't release every 5 years, it's releases every 3. 8 is not early, it's on the exact same cadence they've had for 2 decades minus the misstep that was Vista. Vista was the exception because they bit off more than then could chew and realized they had to back off what they were originally trying which cost them another year and a half on the release.
Dos 1.0 - 85
2.0 - 87
Windows 3.0 - 90
3.1 - 92
95 - 95
98 - 98
2000 - 2000
XP - 2001
Now you're comparing them to Apple? HAH! They've NEVER backported a new feature to a previous release. They have never supported an OS for a decade, are you insane? 10 years ago OSX 10.2 was the newest version. There hasn't been a patch for that OS since 2003 - 2 years of support. Put the crack pipe down.
As for Windows 7 - they said no service pack, that in NO WAY means they won't continue supporting it. It simply means they aren't doing roll-ups. You are clueless.
In other news, Google releases android 4.2 with a new camera, a new keyboard, and smoother rendering. They aren't porting any of these features back to 2.3 or 4.0. Is this what it's come to?
Linux has incorporated btrfs into the 3.x kernel and isn't porting it back to the 2.4 kernel. Is this what it's come to? Etc. etc. etc. Yes, this is Slashdot, but the MS bashing was played out sometime around 2006. If you're going to pick on them, at least pick something legitimate and don't whine about them not backporting features ad-infinitum.
Cisco employs almost 70k people. If the memo went out to even 10% of their workforce - good luck.
How is it retaliation? Apple has been in talks/legal skirmishes with Motorola since long before they were acquired.
It couldn't find a popular restaurant in a major metropolitan area for starters. Couldn't figure out a street address W vs. E so it put me 15 miles in the wrong direction. And last but not least, it had no idea there was road construction on a major highway, causing me to have to drive 30 miles out of my way down gravel roads.
Really? So how would one go about jailbreaking an iPhone 5? I previously had a droid-x, bought an iphone-5, used it for about a week, and returned it. The walled garden, plus distinct lack of google app support made it a non-starter.
And if you're hiking mountains, I would hope you're smart enough to turn the phone off unless you need it...
I consistently get 18-24 in downtown Minneapolis anytime of the day.
Right, but handicapping OSX so that it more closely mimics IOS is absolutely idiotic. Like limiting spaces to left/right only and removing up/down. That still outrages me to no end. I HATE not having up/down.
Nobody is talking about the icons... they're talking about the applications themselves. You're arguing against a point that nobody is even discussing...
No, they didn't want "more information on top of money". It's been explicitly stated what they wanted - google branding on the maps application, and latitude support. Apple said no. Google is in NO WAY at fault, Steve Job's ego is the sole reason that turn-by-turn never made it into IOS.
Why wouldn't sales currently be deteriorating? Their current phones run WP7.5, with no upgrade option to WP8. They pre-announced the 920, 2+ months before anyone could buy one, so people have stopped buying 900's. Why would you buy a phone that you know is obsolete when you can wait a couple months? If their sales still suck in February, we can start calling it a crisis. Until then, it's just people making something out of nothing.
The one thing I will say I think is an absolutely idiotic move on Nokia's part if it's true, is that they are supposedly giving AT&T exclusive rights to the 920. In the position they're currently in, they should be trying to get it onto every network possible from day 1. It's not like the iphone where there were no other options on other networks. By going exclusive, they're just going to give HTC and Samsung the opportunity to build a user base on Verizon/T-mobile/Sprint. They gain essentially nothing. The only way it would've helped would have been if they were the only WP8 phone on the market.
Yes because if China decided to invade Taiwan tomorrow, the UN (without the US military to back it up), has the firepower to do more than pass a resolution letting China know just how upset they are. Get real. The UN is a toothless beast that can barely handle third world warlords much less a first-world military conflict.