I know this might sound crazy. But perhaps GoDaddy might use... I dunno... cluster services, so that when they're rebooting one server it all fails over to the second.
PS: no, I wasn't ever saying it was bad that people make money off of it. My point was, Redhat would have absolutely no place to be upset people were using their code in a free distribution.
Which again, changes absolutely nothing. They're using other people's code, which they didn't write, and are making money off of it. They aren't paying back the majority of the code contributors, and no matter how butt hurt you get over it, they aren't the primary source of all that is linux. Do they host some important projects? Sure. Does the majority of the code they use come from other people (who they aren't funding)? Yup.
Take a look at the base install packages of RHEL4 and let me know how many of them were written by Redhat and get back to me.
yes, some of the Redhat developers make kernel contributions, as well as some of the IBM and Novell developers, and I'm sure several other companies who rely on Linux. That doesn't change the fact that there are countless contributions by people who are being paid nothing, that Redhat and the rest still benefit from for no cost.
Right. Please enlighten us all on how them releasing it has any affect whatsoever on the informations end use. I hope you have something better than that.
Except they're using this for an imperialist end. The reason open source works is because it's for the betterment of mankind. This "open source" they want is nothing more than a way for the Military to help Chancellor Bush spread his imperialist fingers into the middle east.
I thought they learned the last time not to band-aid these issues. We have fiber that would be upgradeable to ??????? speeds, or we can bottleneck ourselves yet again at 270mbit (and that's probably theoretical only) so in reality maybe 200mbit? So that in another 5-10 years they'll have to do the fiber thing anyways. Why not just do it right the first time so there's a nice long-term upgrade path?
Sure there is. Google, unlike "other software" stores it on their PERSONAL servers, and in that fine print that nobody ever reads specifically says they reserve the right to search it as they please. I'm pretty sure there's no such fine print in outlook, or flashfxp, or any other *internet software* that I've ever used.
What other internet software do you speak of that would be putting a companies internal documents out there for anyone to read?
**I've yet to see a corporate firewall that doesn't block windows file sharing ports by default so you can tick that one off the list.
And... how are they to prevent employee's who WANT to turn it on from doing so? Just because THEY don't want it turned on doesn't mean they have any control over whether or not EMPLOYEE'S turn it on.
Except, as we've seen, even the great google has software vulnerabilties. Whether they are trying to be good citizens is irrelevant. What happens when hackerX finds a hole and has access to * corporations NDA type information. I know I'd rather have it stored away on an internal server behind a vpn and several firewalls with IP based filtering than on google's network, but that's just me.
I dunno about that. It says that they paid an up front fee of 6500$ so that the *spammers* could buy the equipment necessary to spam. One would think if they did this for a living they'd already have plenty of equipment or botnets in place.
By no means am I trying to say it's ok to spam, just trying to point out perhaps we shouldn't drop the guillotine before we know both sides of the story.
So they say *most* are billions of light years away and happen for just seconds. Have they ever thought perhaps their measurements of space/time are not correct, and while those other bursts they've seen may really be billions of light years away, they could actually be happening for hours? If nothing else, I would be more interested in the previous findings and how space time may actually behave differently over greater distances than previously thought. IANAS though, so perhaps it's just the wandering mind of an infantile over here.
That'd be great in a perfect world. In the REAL world, exactly what criteria would you base your screening process on if not education? The amount of time wasted finding out just how good everyone's "real world experiences" are would be enough of an HR money waster alone to defeat the idea. Not to mention, to some companies/bosses, real world experience isn't a good thing, it's bad habits they have to break you of.
I congratulate you sir. You have just said 'perfect' and 'oracle' in the same sentence, not used it in a derogatory fashion, and managed to keep a straight face. That takes talent.
so where do you draw the line? Abortion? Capital Punishment? Religious affiliation?
What exactly do you think is going to stop these companies from being "based" somewhere besides the USA? Not to hard to claim the headquarters are in England or France, or wherever else. If you're trying to say any company that does business with the US... well that's a whole different can of worms, and I guarantee we'll be on the losing end of that one.
I'll play along as well. Imagine all those sidewalks were in fact paid for by the government, and installed by the government, and the people of the city were actually paying for those sidewalks to be in place. On top of the fact that the customers were paying the government fee's for those sidewalks, they were also in fact paying the company directly for the sidewalks... really you could say they were paying for them twice.
To top it all off, the shops are already paying a third party for that last inch of sidewalk between their shop and the main one's... getting confused yet? Now the first company decides they should get paid not only by the government, and the people, and quite possibly the company that the shops pay for sidewalk access, but also the sidewalks themselves. I mean, after all, it costs a lot of money for the government... er... to put up those sidewalks and maintain. It's only right they get paid 4 ways for the same thing right?
If you're at all confused by this post, perhaps you now realize why we should only have informed people deciding the future of the internet, and those "informed people" best not be part of the ones who stand to profit.
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I know this might sound crazy. But perhaps GoDaddy might use... I dunno... cluster services, so that when they're rebooting one server it all fails over to the second.
No harm no foul (other than a bit of karma on my part I see). Apparently there's some broken sarcasm meter's in the room tonight. Cheers anyways :)
PS: no, I wasn't ever saying it was bad that people make money off of it. My point was, Redhat would have absolutely no place to be upset people were using their code in a free distribution.
Wow, and you just got THE ORIGINAL POINT I WAS MAKING.
It only took you an entire rant and an extra post to bounce your head off the clubie branch. +1 insightful!
Which again, changes absolutely nothing. They're using other people's code, which they didn't write, and are making money off of it. They aren't paying back the majority of the code contributors, and no matter how butt hurt you get over it, they aren't the primary source of all that is linux. Do they host some important projects? Sure. Does the majority of the code they use come from other people (who they aren't funding)? Yup.
Take a look at the base install packages of RHEL4 and let me know how many of them were written by Redhat and get back to me.
Get YOUR facts straight.
yes, some of the Redhat developers make kernel contributions, as well as some of the IBM and Novell developers, and I'm sure several other companies who rely on Linux. That doesn't change the fact that there are countless contributions by people who are being paid nothing, that Redhat and the rest still benefit from for no cost.
I don't know how the linux kernel devel's feel about redhat piggybacking and using their kernel to make money...
see how that works? Welcome to open source.
Right. Please enlighten us all on how them releasing it has any affect whatsoever on the informations end use. I hope you have something better than that.
Except they're using this for an imperialist end. The reason open source works is because it's for the betterment of mankind. This "open source" they want is nothing more than a way for the Military to help Chancellor Bush spread his imperialist fingers into the middle east.
So by 2.5Gbps, they mean down right? And upload is obviously limited to 100mbit... er... what... the internet doesn't really work that way after all?
"Back to the drawing board." -GWB
I thought they learned the last time not to band-aid these issues. We have fiber that would be upgradeable to ??????? speeds, or we can bottleneck ourselves yet again at 270mbit (and that's probably theoretical only) so in reality maybe 200mbit? So that in another 5-10 years they'll have to do the fiber thing anyways. Why not just do it right the first time so there's a nice long-term upgrade path?
"Bin Laden has a huge heap of money. Most people with similar sized money-heaps in the US are pretty free too..."
until they try and make a large payment on a credit card.
Sure there is. Google, unlike "other software" stores it on their PERSONAL servers, and in that fine print that nobody ever reads specifically says they reserve the right to search it as they please. I'm pretty sure there's no such fine print in outlook, or flashfxp, or any other *internet software* that I've ever used.
What other internet software do you speak of that would be putting a companies internal documents out there for anyone to read?
**I've yet to see a corporate firewall that doesn't block windows file sharing ports by default so you can tick that one off the list.
And... how are they to prevent employee's who WANT to turn it on from doing so? Just because THEY don't want it turned on doesn't mean they have any control over whether or not EMPLOYEE'S turn it on.
Except, as we've seen, even the great google has software vulnerabilties. Whether they are trying to be good citizens is irrelevant. What happens when hackerX finds a hole and has access to * corporations NDA type information. I know I'd rather have it stored away on an internal server behind a vpn and several firewalls with IP based filtering than on google's network, but that's just me.
I dunno about that. It says that they paid an up front fee of 6500$ so that the *spammers* could buy the equipment necessary to spam. One would think if they did this for a living they'd already have plenty of equipment or botnets in place.
By no means am I trying to say it's ok to spam, just trying to point out perhaps we shouldn't drop the guillotine before we know both sides of the story.
So they say *most* are billions of light years away and happen for just seconds. Have they ever thought perhaps their measurements of space/time are not correct, and while those other bursts they've seen may really be billions of light years away, they could actually be happening for hours? If nothing else, I would be more interested in the previous findings and how space time may actually behave differently over greater distances than previously thought. IANAS though, so perhaps it's just the wandering mind of an infantile over here.
That'd be great in a perfect world. In the REAL world, exactly what criteria would you base your screening process on if not education? The amount of time wasted finding out just how good everyone's "real world experiences" are would be enough of an HR money waster alone to defeat the idea. Not to mention, to some companies/bosses, real world experience isn't a good thing, it's bad habits they have to break you of.
I congratulate you sir. You have just said 'perfect' and 'oracle' in the same sentence, not used it in a derogatory fashion, and managed to keep a straight face. That takes talent.
so where do you draw the line? Abortion? Capital Punishment? Religious affiliation?
What exactly do you think is going to stop these companies from being "based" somewhere besides the USA? Not to hard to claim the headquarters are in England or France, or wherever else. If you're trying to say any company that does business with the US... well that's a whole different can of worms, and I guarantee we'll be on the losing end of that one.
You only have to worry if you're the one assigned to firing him! (I suggest asking if he's a member of the NRA first)
actually SBC is changing it's name to AT&T ;) Ma bell will rise like the phoenix.
**er, also the shops themselves, not sidewalks :) You get the picture.
I'll play along as well. Imagine all those sidewalks were in fact paid for by the government, and installed by the government, and the people of the city were actually paying for those sidewalks to be in place. On top of the fact that the customers were paying the government fee's for those sidewalks, they were also in fact paying the company directly for the sidewalks... really you could say they were paying for them twice.
To top it all off, the shops are already paying a third party for that last inch of sidewalk between their shop and the main one's... getting confused yet? Now the first company decides they should get paid not only by the government, and the people, and quite possibly the company that the shops pay for sidewalk access, but also the sidewalks themselves. I mean, after all, it costs a lot of money for the government... er... to put up those sidewalks and maintain. It's only right they get paid 4 ways for the same thing right?
If you're at all confused by this post, perhaps you now realize why we should only have informed people deciding the future of the internet, and those "informed people" best not be part of the ones who stand to profit.