I'm not clicking anything, just creating a few http requests.
How byzantine. That must be a real pain to manually accept and ship cookies, handle the keys all over the form and write everything into a longhand post statement. I don't buy it for a second.
>>Apple literally wrote the book on UI and to claim otherwise is simply ignorant.
That's a true statement. They did write a book - 25+ years ago - on human interface guidelines, the fundamentals of which were generally copied or adhered to by other developers. Apple didn't invent the GUI (neither did Xerox) but they did carry the initial work forward with a book of best practices and it's a no brainer to recognize they were on the ground floor of the whole movement. The book isn't perfect but there was a realization that some uniformity would be needed as the GUI thing grew, and Xerox wasn't doing it anymore. That's a fact. It was an internal Apple document for developers which garnered a lot of external interest. It's still a live document. Everyone has one of these documents - KDE, GNOME, Mozilla, even Windows.
Then how in the hell are you filling in forms and clicking the "Submit" button? That must be tough on a WYSE 50 terminal.
It doesn't bother me so much that Xerox got ripped off, I'm more bothered by the fact that Apple and others are credited for the initial research and creation.
Well, that rules out Xerox for the invention of the mouse and GIU - they stole it from Stanford Research. Doug Engelbart's group had been working on this stuff since 1962 and their first demonstration of the early mouse and GUI was in 1968, two years before Xerox PARC was founded (plus they demonstrated hypertext). Besides, who in the hell said Apple invented the GUI or mouse? They just dragged them out of the lab and on to our home desktops.
Apple hired the people who developed the working GUI on the Alto. The people who made it work the first time just did it again. They certainly didn't steal their own ideas, they just started working someplace that cared about their innovations. The mouse was just a shortcut to pounding arrow keys to get around the screen. Have you ever worked on a Xerox Alto? I have when I worked at the Xerox Training Center. Things have changed so much since then, I'd say the number of new innovations have certainly overshadowed the original concept. So, the world also stole the mouse and Ethernet based on your way of thinking? If it bothers you so much, stop using them.
It's all in what you're used to. I'm real happy that "delete" doesn't delete files on the Mac. All I need to do is fatfinger the keyboard and not know that I've deleted something. The right way to throw something in the trash is grab it, ball it up and toss it across the room into the trash can. Until that's possible on a computer, all you're going to have is some combination of buttons and mouse - whatever the combination is - and it's going to be relatively cumbersome. Muscle memory takes care of any sensation of "cumbersome" on deleting files whether on Mac or PC.
And you Mac users have the gall to criticize the fact that Vista is always asking to "cancel or allow"? Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Perfect. Take this as your invitation to talk about UAC and not as a slam on your comment.
All the "Cancel" or "Allow" functions do in Vista is shift the blame for any problems to the user. That's a REALLY BAD STRATEGY in response to the downright dangerous environment that is Windows connected to the Internet. However, it's typical Microsoft Corporate think. Dress it up in a colorful clown suit, advertise things that don't really work as if they existed and people will buy it anyway. Since Microsoft would have to rip out and redesign the whole operatiing system (and break all the apps) to actually fix the problems (as opposed to market them away), they've got nowhere to go. It's a serious corner they've gotten into.
Windows was designed in the absence of the Internet and Microsoft tried to make EVERYTHING a client/server relationship - including their web browsers and servers - without any form of authentication. The plan was to lock out all competitors - if you didn't have a complete Microsoft technology chain, the Interent would look like a blank screen - that was clearly the hope. Unfortunately, there was a transition period that never completed and other technology companies weren't cooperating with Microsoft's dream (think "java"). Once PCs became routinely connected to the Internet, it didn't take long before all these connection opportunities were pried open and ravaged, starting with Outlook and Exchange which brought us crushing amounts of spam - and still does. "Cancel" or "Allow" don't do shit to fix that.
On the other hand, when I get challenged for a password on the Mac, it means something is trying to install itself into the boot sequence. There's a button to show what in the hell is going on and the password sets the permissions for the installation. Granted, most users wouldn't know what they're looking at anyway on either platform but it only shows up during an installation process on the Mac. Microsoft's version of that annoys the user so much, they'll allow everything (as they have always dismissed the barrage of info boxes) and eventually turn off the UAC.
So, yes, there's a truly dizzying intellect going on. Those people in the northwest corner of the U.S. are not doing anyone any favors.
Right after they stole everything from Xerox and co.
Here we go again... Apple was given the technology by Xerox and Apple hired some of the design team from PARC. Xerox actually invested in Apple and invited them to view their work on the GUI. Xerox wanted out of the computer business which is why they didn't think these inventions (which created the modern personal computer) had value. They gave this stuff away. HP had the same shortsighted issues with Steve Wozniak's silly little machine. Xerox didn't sue Apple over the GUI stuff until it looked like they could benefit from the Apple-Microsoft "Look and Feel" suit. Nothing came of that. The only reason Xerox went into the computer business is because IBM started making copiers. Xerox Corporate wasn't serious about it and dumped everything shortly before the Mac came out. It was Microsoft who plain flat stole it from Xerox or Apple or whoever.
Jobs means "rent music" like we "rent beer" - we enjoy it for a little, then it's gone down the toilet and we have to buy more.
I'd rather have unfettered continuous access to any music I'd like to hear and not get permission from some higher authority on the Internet each time... especially one that wishes to charge me money over and over. What would you do - given the choices of (1) having a coin operated music player that does pay for play or (2) a music player that lets you buy a blanket license and play it any time you want as often as you want? I'll take #2.
Here we go... Xerox invented then ignored the personal computer as we know it and Xerox management didn't "get" that, much like HP didn't "get" the Woz. Xerox was a COPIER company who was playing in computers only because IBM started making COPIERS. Management wasn't serious about computers and was happy enough to sell off the technology.
Apple actually licensed the technology from Xerox and hired some of the design team. I worked for Xerox at the Training Center when all that was going down. Yes, I worked on the Xerox Alto workstations, the Xerox 820-II CP/M machines and even touched a Star 8010 Workstation just before they dumped it all.
I replaced half the PC desktops around here with Macs (about 50 of them) and the daily attention to those desktops dropped to Zero. Macs are DEFINITELY less labor intensive. I've got the Maytag Repairman problem now.
Because the phone company is a bunch of dial-tone heads.
The T-1 used to be for long distance lines and it was 24 very valuable phone circuits - so that's 24 X $(whatever-a-phone-line-costs). They still think that way even though everything is muxed together into optical fiber, they still tally the payload by 64kbps chunks (8 bit audio at 8khz sampling).
They still run T-1 ESF over twisted pair if you want and it's only dedicated bandwidth if you get a point-to-point or until you hit the first peering point. in my shop, they pulled all that out about 7 years ago and put in an OC3 fiber pop. It just sits there until we buy bandwidth from it.
I asked the phone company about a 100 mile long 270Mbps loop (digital SD video) and they quoted me $1,800 a month. I was shocked at how low that was until it came time to sign the contract. They corrected the price to $92,000 a month - they must have thought I meant 270 megabits per day, not per second.
Huge Brushed Aluminum frames are part of the MPEG-4 standard?!?
No, but the file format is. Apple was on the MPEG4 working committee and they contributed the QuickTime architecture to MPEG4. Here's an old PDF that describes it.. If brushed aluminum isn't your style, play the same MPEG4 with RealPlayer instead.
Oh, Microsoft came up with their own idea of how MPEG4 should work - and that would be only on Windows, so they weren't invited to the party. MPEG4v3 was their first codec before their player was called Windows Media Player (pre WMP7). The same codec is now known as the DivX 3 AVI codec.
Just the Toshiba machine does this? Maybe someone didn't test it before it all left the factory. QuickTime itself shouldn't be a mystery since the framework was contributed to the MPEG-4 standard... oh... there's another vector... it's a published standard and Microsoft... nevermind.
There was a huge thud with DVD-Audio and SACD with the same premise - higher quality but only if you had the player for it. That format war took out both formats and this might do the same once on demand, downloadable movies gain traction. They won't need a special player and won't even have to get off the couch.
The average Joe (who shops at Wal-Mart) will own an HD television? Second, the HD-DVD or Blu-ray disks will have higher quality but will the average joe spend 10x more for it than a standard DVD player sitting next to it (the $20 one)? This is only America and people don't really care about quality. It's only about price. Actually, that's almost true - first they look for the cheapest objects, then they select the best one out of that pool.
Microsoft is about to get their ass handed to them again and they know it. Consumer device or not, gimmick or not, the iPhone is already having a huge impact on the moble market - AND IT'S NOT EVEN OUT YET!!!
Next up: "One time software giant Microsoft files suit against Apple, Inc. for monopolizing the mobile business device market"... well, it wouldn't be the first time someone snatched the pretzels out of Ballmer's mouth.
I cannot install Office on my Blackberry, but I can view doc, xls, and ppt files just fine. Not that it is any use.
Yeah, when I saw the iPhone, my first thought wasn't "I wonder if it runs office". However, there are solutions for all those right now on OS X. The lightweight TextEdit.app will open/edit/save Word files, Keynote.app will open/edit/save Power Point files and AppleWorks will open/edit/save Excel files. At least some of those apps (or some mashup) could very well end up on the iPhone.
Quite right, I'm living in the USA where every other person has an iPod. Out of the 100 or so people I know who have switched to Macs over the last two years, only two of them wondered about Linux. The big trend is an increasing number of computer users being disgruntled with Windows and not afraid of being an "outsider" looking for an alternative. Half the Windows users I know want to get rid of it but are afraid of something new. It used to be there was no alternative and now there is. Linux is one of them, certainly, but the Apple product line makes it look good.
Incidentally, which small undeveloped country do you live in where you work for a large company with Linux server farms and develop ASP.NET apps for a living? I know the latter can be done anywhere but somehow your previous posts don't give the impression of wild boar scratching their asses on trees outside your hut. BTW, I love the sound of Portuguese myself - lush and alluring, like a cross between Dutch and Italian.
What do you mean? There are probably at least 10 times as many new computers sold with Vista, as with OS X
That's down from 20 times a few years ago. Two-thirds of the people in my office drop kicked their PCs and bought Macs in the last couple of years. That's a trend I'm watching first hand. Those who still want/need a new PC are trying to figure out where to get one with XP. They don't even WANT Vista but that's what's shipping now, like it or not. I've shown a few PC users XP under Parallels and they all had that "aha" moment. More switchers, albeit AC/DC.
Two things - It's a signal that Microsoft doesn't matter nearly as much as they used to. With the majority avoiding Vista like the plague, it's way down the cometitive radar screen for Apple which used to chase Microsoft. I'm sure everyone in Redmond smiled for a moment when the Leopard delay was announced... then sank into mild funk realizing Apple would be that much further ahead once the iPhone AND Leopard shipped in time for Vista SP1 - and the holidays.
Second, Apple is consciously missing the school buying season with Leopard - but so what? Anyone who is on the fence with switching to a Mac will probably do it anyway. Steve Jobs should do the right thing and supply a coupon for a free-ish Leopard upgrade with any computer purchased from June through October to solve any questions about the impact of the delay. Besides, who wouldn't want a REALLY cool pocket computer for school?
So, get on the stick Apple. You're still Microsoft's R&D department whether you like it or not.
Since Vista has proven to be absolutely no competition to even the current OS X, what's the rush for Leopard? Get the iPhone right and they'll have a HUGE winner on their hands. A million people have already queried AT&T about the iPhone through the notification list at Cingular, so who's your daddy?
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How byzantine. That must be a real pain to manually accept and ship cookies, handle the keys all over the form and write everything into a longhand post statement. I don't buy it for a second.
>>Apple literally wrote the book on UI and to claim otherwise is simply ignorant.That's a true statement. They did write a book - 25+ years ago - on human interface guidelines, the fundamentals of which were generally copied or adhered to by other developers. Apple didn't invent the GUI (neither did Xerox) but they did carry the initial work forward with a book of best practices and it's a no brainer to recognize they were on the ground floor of the whole movement. The book isn't perfect but there was a realization that some uniformity would be needed as the GUI thing grew, and Xerox wasn't doing it anymore. That's a fact. It was an internal Apple document for developers which garnered a lot of external interest. It's still a live document. Everyone has one of these documents - KDE, GNOME, Mozilla, even Windows.
Next.
Then how in the hell are you filling in forms and clicking the "Submit" button? That must be tough on a WYSE 50 terminal.
It doesn't bother me so much that Xerox got ripped off, I'm more bothered by the fact that Apple and others are credited for the initial research and creation.Well, that rules out Xerox for the invention of the mouse and GIU - they stole it from Stanford Research. Doug Engelbart's group had been working on this stuff since 1962 and their first demonstration of the early mouse and GUI was in 1968, two years before Xerox PARC was founded (plus they demonstrated hypertext). Besides, who in the hell said Apple invented the GUI or mouse? They just dragged them out of the lab and on to our home desktops.
Your move.
Apple hired the people who developed the working GUI on the Alto. The people who made it work the first time just did it again. They certainly didn't steal their own ideas, they just started working someplace that cared about their innovations. The mouse was just a shortcut to pounding arrow keys to get around the screen. Have you ever worked on a Xerox Alto? I have when I worked at the Xerox Training Center. Things have changed so much since then, I'd say the number of new innovations have certainly overshadowed the original concept. So, the world also stole the mouse and Ethernet based on your way of thinking? If it bothers you so much, stop using them.
It's all in what you're used to. I'm real happy that "delete" doesn't delete files on the Mac. All I need to do is fatfinger the keyboard and not know that I've deleted something. The right way to throw something in the trash is grab it, ball it up and toss it across the room into the trash can. Until that's possible on a computer, all you're going to have is some combination of buttons and mouse - whatever the combination is - and it's going to be relatively cumbersome. Muscle memory takes care of any sensation of "cumbersome" on deleting files whether on Mac or PC.
Perfect. Take this as your invitation to talk about UAC and not as a slam on your comment.
All the "Cancel" or "Allow" functions do in Vista is shift the blame for any problems to the user. That's a REALLY BAD STRATEGY in response to the downright dangerous environment that is Windows connected to the Internet. However, it's typical Microsoft Corporate think. Dress it up in a colorful clown suit, advertise things that don't really work as if they existed and people will buy it anyway. Since Microsoft would have to rip out and redesign the whole operatiing system (and break all the apps) to actually fix the problems (as opposed to market them away), they've got nowhere to go. It's a serious corner they've gotten into.
Windows was designed in the absence of the Internet and Microsoft tried to make EVERYTHING a client/server relationship - including their web browsers and servers - without any form of authentication. The plan was to lock out all competitors - if you didn't have a complete Microsoft technology chain, the Interent would look like a blank screen - that was clearly the hope. Unfortunately, there was a transition period that never completed and other technology companies weren't cooperating with Microsoft's dream (think "java"). Once PCs became routinely connected to the Internet, it didn't take long before all these connection opportunities were pried open and ravaged, starting with Outlook and Exchange which brought us crushing amounts of spam - and still does. "Cancel" or "Allow" don't do shit to fix that.
On the other hand, when I get challenged for a password on the Mac, it means something is trying to install itself into the boot sequence. There's a button to show what in the hell is going on and the password sets the permissions for the installation. Granted, most users wouldn't know what they're looking at anyway on either platform but it only shows up during an installation process on the Mac. Microsoft's version of that annoys the user so much, they'll allow everything (as they have always dismissed the barrage of info boxes) and eventually turn off the UAC.
So, yes, there's a truly dizzying intellect going on. Those people in the northwest corner of the U.S. are not doing anyone any favors.
Here we go again... Apple was given the technology by Xerox and Apple hired some of the design team from PARC. Xerox actually invested in Apple and invited them to view their work on the GUI. Xerox wanted out of the computer business which is why they didn't think these inventions (which created the modern personal computer) had value. They gave this stuff away. HP had the same shortsighted issues with Steve Wozniak's silly little machine. Xerox didn't sue Apple over the GUI stuff until it looked like they could benefit from the Apple-Microsoft "Look and Feel" suit. Nothing came of that. The only reason Xerox went into the computer business is because IBM started making copiers. Xerox Corporate wasn't serious about it and dumped everything shortly before the Mac came out. It was Microsoft who plain flat stole it from Xerox or Apple or whoever.
Jobs means "rent music" like we "rent beer" - we enjoy it for a little, then it's gone down the toilet and we have to buy more.
I'd rather have unfettered continuous access to any music I'd like to hear and not get permission from some higher authority on the Internet each time... especially one that wishes to charge me money over and over. What would you do - given the choices of (1) having a coin operated music player that does pay for play or (2) a music player that lets you buy a blanket license and play it any time you want as often as you want? I'll take #2.
As for Xerox, well APPLE stole from them, not MS.
Here we go... Xerox invented then ignored the personal computer as we know it and Xerox management didn't "get" that, much like HP didn't "get" the Woz. Xerox was a COPIER company who was playing in computers only because IBM started making COPIERS. Management wasn't serious about computers and was happy enough to sell off the technology.
Apple actually licensed the technology from Xerox and hired some of the design team. I worked for Xerox at the Training Center when all that was going down. Yes, I worked on the Xerox Alto workstations, the Xerox 820-II CP/M machines and even touched a Star 8010 Workstation just before they dumped it all.
The Internet is a giant book and magazine store - where everything has been thown on the floor.
I replaced half the PC desktops around here with Macs (about 50 of them) and the daily attention to those desktops dropped to Zero. Macs are DEFINITELY less labor intensive. I've got the Maytag Repairman problem now.
Because the phone company is a bunch of dial-tone heads.
The T-1 used to be for long distance lines and it was 24 very valuable phone circuits - so that's 24 X $(whatever-a-phone-line-costs). They still think that way even though everything is muxed together into optical fiber, they still tally the payload by 64kbps chunks (8 bit audio at 8khz sampling).
They still run T-1 ESF over twisted pair if you want and it's only dedicated bandwidth if you get a point-to-point or until you hit the first peering point. in my shop, they pulled all that out about 7 years ago and put in an OC3 fiber pop. It just sits there until we buy bandwidth from it.
I asked the phone company about a 100 mile long 270Mbps loop (digital SD video) and they quoted me $1,800 a month. I was shocked at how low that was until it came time to sign the contract. They corrected the price to $92,000 a month - they must have thought I meant 270 megabits per day, not per second.
The $400 version needed to boot under virtualization? Nobody needs Vista that bad.
Can bluster compensate for an indefensible position? Sometimes...
Huge Brushed Aluminum frames are part of the MPEG-4 standard?!?
No, but the file format is. Apple was on the MPEG4 working committee and they contributed the QuickTime architecture to MPEG4. Here's an old PDF that describes it.. If brushed aluminum isn't your style, play the same MPEG4 with RealPlayer instead.
Oh, Microsoft came up with their own idea of how MPEG4 should work - and that would be only on Windows, so they weren't invited to the party. MPEG4v3 was their first codec before their player was called Windows Media Player (pre WMP7). The same codec is now known as the DivX 3 AVI codec.
Just the Toshiba machine does this? Maybe someone didn't test it before it all left the factory. QuickTime itself shouldn't be a mystery since the framework was contributed to the MPEG-4 standard... oh... there's another vector... it's a published standard and Microsoft... nevermind.
There was a huge thud with DVD-Audio and SACD with the same premise - higher quality but only if you had the player for it. That format war took out both formats and this might do the same once on demand, downloadable movies gain traction. They won't need a special player and won't even have to get off the couch.
The average Joe (who shops at Wal-Mart) will own an HD television? Second, the HD-DVD or Blu-ray disks will have higher quality but will the average joe spend 10x more for it than a standard DVD player sitting next to it (the $20 one)? This is only America and people don't really care about quality. It's only about price. Actually, that's almost true - first they look for the cheapest objects, then they select the best one out of that pool.
Relaxed rules = they gave out the root password and let them sit at the keyboard for a while.
Microsoft is about to get their ass handed to them again and they know it. Consumer device or not, gimmick or not, the iPhone is already having a huge impact on the moble market - AND IT'S NOT EVEN OUT YET!!!
Next up: "One time software giant Microsoft files suit against Apple, Inc. for monopolizing the mobile business device market"... well, it wouldn't be the first time someone snatched the pretzels out of Ballmer's mouth.
ewwww... I just grossed myself out.
I cannot install Office on my Blackberry, but I can view doc, xls, and ppt files just fine. Not that it is any use.
Yeah, when I saw the iPhone, my first thought wasn't "I wonder if it runs office". However, there are solutions for all those right now on OS X. The lightweight TextEdit.app will open/edit/save Word files, Keynote.app will open/edit/save Power Point files and AppleWorks will open/edit/save Excel files. At least some of those apps (or some mashup) could very well end up on the iPhone.
My company is running as far away from Microsoft as possible as fast as it can... the same thing Microsoft does to standards.
Jaz drives developed some nice options - you could lose 1GB of data all at once, or 2GB of data all at once with the newer drives.
Quite right, I'm living in the USA where every other person has an iPod. Out of the 100 or so people I know who have switched to Macs over the last two years, only two of them wondered about Linux. The big trend is an increasing number of computer users being disgruntled with Windows and not afraid of being an "outsider" looking for an alternative. Half the Windows users I know want to get rid of it but are afraid of something new. It used to be there was no alternative and now there is. Linux is one of them, certainly, but the Apple product line makes it look good.
Incidentally, which small undeveloped country do you live in where you work for a large company with Linux server farms and develop ASP.NET apps for a living? I know the latter can be done anywhere but somehow your previous posts don't give the impression of wild boar scratching their asses on trees outside your hut. BTW, I love the sound of Portuguese myself - lush and alluring, like a cross between Dutch and Italian.
What do you mean? There are probably at least 10 times as many new computers sold with Vista, as with OS X
That's down from 20 times a few years ago. Two-thirds of the people in my office drop kicked their PCs and bought Macs in the last couple of years. That's a trend I'm watching first hand. Those who still want/need a new PC are trying to figure out where to get one with XP. They don't even WANT Vista but that's what's shipping now, like it or not. I've shown a few PC users XP under Parallels and they all had that "aha" moment. More switchers, albeit AC/DC.
Two things - It's a signal that Microsoft doesn't matter nearly as much as they used to. With the majority avoiding Vista like the plague, it's way down the cometitive radar screen for Apple which used to chase Microsoft. I'm sure everyone in Redmond smiled for a moment when the Leopard delay was announced... then sank into mild funk realizing Apple would be that much further ahead once the iPhone AND Leopard shipped in time for Vista SP1 - and the holidays.
Second, Apple is consciously missing the school buying season with Leopard - but so what? Anyone who is on the fence with switching to a Mac will probably do it anyway. Steve Jobs should do the right thing and supply a coupon for a free-ish Leopard upgrade with any computer purchased from June through October to solve any questions about the impact of the delay. Besides, who wouldn't want a REALLY cool pocket computer for school?
So, get on the stick Apple. You're still Microsoft's R&D department whether you like it or not.
Since Vista has proven to be absolutely no competition to even the current OS X, what's the rush for Leopard? Get the iPhone right and they'll have a HUGE winner on their hands. A million people have already queried AT&T about the iPhone through the notification list at Cingular, so who's your daddy?