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A Succinct Definition of the Internet?

magnamous asks: "Ever since Senator Ted Stevens used the phrase 'series of tubes' to describe his understanding of the Internet, I've noticed several stories and comments referencing how silly that is. Although I agree that that description is rather silly, each time I've found myself trying to come up with a -succinct layman's definition- of what the Internet is, and I come up short. Wikipedia has a gargantuan page describing the Internet, and Google's definitions offer pretty good descriptions of what the Internet is in a functional sense (with some throwing in terms that the layman wouldn't understand, or take the time to understand), but not really a good description of what it -is- in the physical sense that I think Sen. Stevens was trying to get at. What are your suggestions for a succinct layman's definition of the Internet?" I know some would say that laypeople should take the time to learn the technical, more accurate meaning of what the Internet is. The problem is that they won't. We all know laypeople. I live with two of them. When you start talking about 'TCP/IP' or 'DNS', or if you get far enough to start describing those terms, their eyes glaze over. That's what makes them laypeople — they don't care about the subject enough to learn about it in-depth; if they did, they'd be computer enthusiasts. So please keep in mind that, in order for this discussion to be useful, 'succinct' and 'layman' are essential parts to any definition of the Internet given here. Also keep in mind that 'succinct' doesn't necessarily mean one sentence; a relatively short paragraph would be fine, too — the main goal is to come up with something that physically describes the Internet in a way which laypeople can actually understand."

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  1. The Internet by mfh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The internet is a collection of ideas, presented to users in a vast array of increasingly easier to use methods, by a plethora of individuals, groups, small businesses, corporations and governments, for multiple purposes involving money, fact and/or opinion. No single group of aligned parties shall control the Internet, or the Internet shall be no longer valid.

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    1. Re:The Internet by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > The internet is a collection of ideas, presented to users in a vast array of increasingly easier to use methods, by a plethora of individuals, groups, small businesses, corporations and governments, for multiple purposes involving money, fact and/or opinion. No single group of aligned parties shall control the Internet, or the Internet shall be no longer valid.

      Usenet was not the Internet, but back when it was most of what the Internet was used for, Gene Spafford said the same thing, albeit somewhat more whimsically:

      "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
      - Gene Spafford, 1992

    2. Re:The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...is for porn!

    3. Re:The Internet by snadrus · · Score: 1

      The internet is the first "from everyone to everyone" communication medium.

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    4. Re:The Internet by renegadesx · · Score: 0

      You could download porn off Usenet? Why didn't someone tell me!

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    5. Re:The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's get real here.
      The internet is a place where you can get free (pirated) movies, games and of course porn.

    6. Re:The Internet by buswolley · · Score: 1

      But the converse is true also. They make porn for the internet.

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    7. Re:The Internet by scottrocket · · Score: 1

      IIRC, M$ Encarta 95(?) described the internet as: there is no 'the internet'; rather any connection of computers makes an internet (huh?). They went on to say that AOL is not really the internet :)

    8. Re:The Internet by Tatarize · · Score: 1

      The internet is a bunch of linked together computers some of them give you pretty pictures.

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    9. Re:The Internet by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      The internet is mostly just electricity and radiation.

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    10. Re:The Internet by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      As the term 'internet' was used in 1995, Encarta was right. An internet is just a collection of interconnected networks. There were many internets then. Even now we have the Internet, and a bunch of smaller ones (Internet2, many darknets)

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    11. Re:The Internet by Nazlfrag · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Internet is a series of boobs.

    12. Re:The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nicely put.
      I'd just like to add some visual aid: Behold the internet.

    13. Re:The Internet by Divebus · · Score: 1

      The Internet is a giant book and magazine store - where everything has been thown on the floor.

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    14. Re:The Internet by ghostcorps · · Score: 2, Funny
      This isn't funny.

      I was trying to explain to me sister how to use the TV as a 2nd monitor (over the phone). After some time, she asked the classic question "So I close Google?"! I can't even begin to figure out how she was expecting google, or the interweb to assist her with this task.

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    15. Re:The Internet by ATMD · · Score: 1
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    16. Re:The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "it's like having a whole library in one book, and you can turn to a page and point to a word, picture, or movie, and boom! there's a whole new story there!!....and everyone gets to write their own magazines, and even pass notes to other people's books.
      -CaliburnGreywolf

    17. Re:The Internet by jon287 · · Score: 0

      The internet is not a thing. Its not even an idea anymore. It is a way. Its a way to talk to others; Its a way to make your voice heard. Its a way to do business. Its a way to love. Its a way to play. Its a way of life. Way, way, way.. fill in all the blanks you can think of, tomorrow it will be a way to do something you've never even considered. The reason this foolish politician's non-talk about 'tubes' is so puzzlingly infuriating is that he denegrates what has become one of mans greatest achievments of thought, and perhaps the "way" to true equality among men, by calling it a "thing" like hayseed-oil or cow farts. Then he tries to help himself to control over it. Anyone who "gets" the internet instinctively feels this as a threat to their way of life.

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    18. Re:The Internet by scum-e-bag · · Score: 1

      In other words, it is one big Peer-2-Peer network.

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    19. Re:The Internet by houghi · · Score: 1
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    20. Re:The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet is a giant garage sale.

    21. Re:The Internet by arktemplar · · Score: 2, Funny

      no no, its like libraries of congress (lots of them), each linked each with lots of porn, each with different rules and librarians enforcing those rules. and then these set of tubes transfer the books from one part of the library to the other.

      bleh ... was trying to be funny ... dont think I succeeded .. :-\

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    22. Re:The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet: anything you want it to be.

      and, while we're at it - regulating the internet... pff!

    23. Re:The Internet by TwoScoopsOfPig · · Score: 1

      "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." - Gene Spafford, 1992
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    24. Re:The Internet by DragonFodder · · Score: 1

      Thats easy... Internet in laymans terms: Magic.


      "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clarke

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    25. Re:The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Internet is what it does, not how it does it. The real importance is that you can access company's price list from anywhere in the world. Or join a group to discuss Italian Medieval art. Or try to steal people's credit card numbers. Or join an Open Source development group.
      The Internet is the beginning of the Noosphere http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere

    26. Re:The Internet by jotok · · Score: 1

      This is a structural definition, whereas I expected a million functional definitions here on slashdot. Well put.

    27. Re:The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Internet2 was connected to "the Internet" a while back, so it's just part of the Internet and not it's own internet.

    28. Re:The Internet by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 1

      Holy cow, that's like four jokes in one. Instant classic.

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    29. Re:The Internet by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Does Internet2 have it's own domain mask for IP addresses? If it appears as just another subnet to the Internet, then it's a part of the internet, but only the same way your home computer or a corporate network campus is.

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    30. Re:The Internet by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      I've downloaded more than a few things over the years that I'd definitely consider to be magical.

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    31. Re:The Internet by andreMA · · Score: 1

      I tip my hat to you. I haven't laughed so hard in weeks. Senator Stevens, of course, is the biggest boob.

    32. Re:The Internet by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      I did tech support for a few months, and one day a guy called who said his internet wasn't working. I checked his modem, indeed, no ip address. After a while I figured out his computer wasn't running. When I asked him to turn on the computer, he asked "Only the screen, or the box too?".

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    33. Re:The Internet by happyDave · · Score: 1

      This is a great high-level explanation. Obviously, you can choose at which level to start--where low-level would be talking about the hardware and protocols, and a mid-level discussion would be about the applications and uses. At each level, a different analogy or metaphor would be used, and that's what all the other posts were about. I'm late to this thread, but I'm glad I got your post.

      In other words, mod parent up.

  2. Best one short sentence description? by Threni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about "bunch of computers connected using phone lines"?

    1. Re:Best one short sentence description? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Heh, I was thinking about something similar, but chickened out.

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    2. Re:Best one short sentence description? by Hennell · · Score: 1

      Whilst that describes the physicality of the internet it doesn't do so well making people understand how there are things on the internet.
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    3. Re:Best one short sentence description? by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      Howabout a series of electronic devices connected in such a manner as to facilitate the sharing of data.

      It includes cell phones, and doesn't mention any specifics. Any definition that mentions the physical medium across which the data is carried does not define the internet, since it doesn't include the venerable IP over Carrier Pidgeon spec, or the IP over Smoke Signal, or Sneakernet, or any of the other ways that data can be exchanged between computers that doesn't involve electrical wiring. Yes, the Internet is currently constructed with wiring but that definition becomes archaic when we switch to fiber optics or wireless.

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    4. Re:Best one short sentence description? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, to anyone with a shared connection (office, campus, etc) this wouldn't sound right. In fact, I would argue that from a mere mortal's perspective the participating computers are not actually part of the Internet. I would submit that it's more accurate to say:

      "It's the phone system for computers. It allows your computer to contact other computers and exchange information, just like you do with your home phone. And as with your phone, there's lots of physical ways to make that work (cells phones, old black rotary phones, big office phone exchanges with hundreds of handsets, and so on. To important thing is the information that flows, and that the actually connection part has been automated so you don't have to worry about how it works, you can focus on the communication part of what you're trying to do..."

                  - peterd (not signed in)

    5. Re:Best one short sentence description? by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of the length from you to any server on the internet will not be spanned by phone lines.

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    6. Re:Best one short sentence description? by arminw · · Score: 1

      .....Howabout a series of electronic devices connected in such a manner as to facilitate the sharing of data......

      Sounds too complicated. What is data? How about:

      The Internet is to computers what telephones are to people.

      People talk to each other over the phone network and computers talk to each other over the Internet. Anything your computer "knows" can be sent to my computer and then it too "knows" the same thing.

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    7. Re:Best one short sentence description? by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of the length from you to any server on the internet will not be spanned by phone lines.

      the same goes for your POTS phone calls... they call it the last mile for a reason.
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    8. Re:Best one short sentence description? by malfunct · · Score: 1

      I extend the basic "its like the phone system for computers" definition to say that instead of people talking to each other the computers talk to each other. It has always gotten the point across but I also was explaining during a period of time when most people actually used modem's connected to phone lines to attach to the internet.

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    9. Re:Best one short sentence description? by krayzkrok · · Score: 1

      A wretched hive of scum and villainy.

    10. Re:Best one short sentence description? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whilst that describes the physicality of the internet it doesn't do so well making people understand how there are things on the internet.

      They don't want to understand how. The internet is magic. Just like television, microwave ovens, and air conditioning.
    11. Re:Best one short sentence description? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of them aren't connected using phone lines, dumbo.

    12. Re:Best one short sentence description? by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      With POTS calls it's more likely you'll be calling someone locally, plus there are phone lines on both ends of the cable, whereas with the internet there's only one phone line end to end, and it's more likely to be much longer distance.

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    13. Re:Best one short sentence description? by DerWulf · · Score: 1

      In this context? How about:
      Data = any type of information represented in a form that is processable by an electronic device?

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    14. Re:Best one short sentence description? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet is:
      A giant garage sale.

    15. Re:Best one short sentence description? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      old black rotary phones
      with mechanised devices turning them to dial and an accoustic coupler to pass the signals.

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    16. Re:Best one short sentence description? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      it depends what you count as a phone line, afaict most internet traffic runs over the same types of trunk lines that were originally designed for phone.

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    17. Re:Best one short sentence description? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pretty much it; wireless links comprise a minority of the backbone links necessary for the public Internet to operate.

      But what are those phone lines? Fiber optic cables. And what is fiber-optic cabling? A SERIES OF TUBES.

    18. Re:Best one short sentence description? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And big bells with solenoids and clappers to make them ring! Ahhh, memories...

              - peterd (waxing nostalgic...)
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    19. Re:Best one short sentence description? by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      the end points may be analogue over coper, but it's digital over coper or fiber for the vast majority of the distance that the signal is carried. even if you are calling your next door neighbor. of course this IS /. and ianatt*, so it's best to do your own damned fact checking ;)

      *when i typed it i meant att = a telephone technician, however the deathstar seems to fit just as well.

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    20. Re:Best one short sentence description? by Hennell · · Score: 1

      >The internet is magic. Just like television, microwave ovens, and air conditioning. Yes but I know people like that, and they keep setting my computer of fire yelling "Kill the witchcraft"
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  3. Series of tubes by biocute · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe just call it "series of tubes"? Stevens is pretty layman, so I wouldn't be surprised most people can understand better with description like that.

    We used to call aeroplanes "big metal birds" and people instantly associate it with "big flying things" in a physical sense. Later on, aeroplane becomes a common term and no more layman terms are needed.

    So in the future the term "internet" would be enough for everyone, but right now, "series of tubes" pretty much describes its physical structure.

    1. Re:Series of tubes by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We're already at that point, unless you happen to live in an African tribe or similar. 10 or 15 years ago, this "what do we say to laymen?" question may have had some relevance, but now it does not. Everyone I know either uses the internet, or at least knows what it is, and this isn't just geeks or nerds, it's 75-year-old retired people, disabled people, and assorted other totally non-technical people. In developed countries, especially those speaking English (since we are discussing an English definition after all), there's almost no one left who doesn't know by now what the internet is.

      It's true, these people may not understand exactly what it is on a low level, like what backbones are, what companies own them, what TCP/IP is, etc., but just like with airplanes, they know the important stuff: that it's a "network" connected to their computer that they can use to access email, websites, and other services. These nontechnical people use the internet every day for reading their email, buying stuff on Amazon.com, checking out their favorite discussion forums, etc. They don't need a definition for the "internet". They already know what it is. That some stupid politician doesn't know, or feels some need to create a definition, is utterly pathetic.

    2. Re:Series of tubes by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As long as you're intelligent enough to understand what a "metaphor" is, Stevens' description is actually pretty good.

      (I'm all for ridiculing the man on political grounds, but going after the guy for this is just childish.)

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    3. Re:Series of tubes by Senjutsu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As long as you're intelligent enough to understand what a "metaphor" is, Stevens' description is actually pretty good.
       
      No it wasn't. The "series of tubes" part of the metaphor was ok, but the rest of the metaphor was confused non-sense that corresponding to nothing in real-life and suggests the fact that the quasi-usefullness of the "series of tubes" part is probably more accident then a demonstration of any level of understanding.

    4. Re:Series of tubes by Hennell · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > That some stupid politician doesn't know, or feels some need to create a definition, is utterly pathetic.
      Its not just pathetic, its utterly embarrassing. If you're regulating something it would be nice if you have some idea of what that thing is. Saying stuff like:
      "I just the other day got... an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday, I got it yesterday. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially."
      does not exactly inspire confidence that he knows what he's regulating.

      However I think he's far less unusual then you suggest. You might be right that most people have heard of the internet, but I'd guess loads don't really know what it actually is or how it would work. Try asking a couple of non-geeky people you know to explain how they think the internet works. My Mother who has been using e-mail and the web for quite some time, still doens't really understand the difference between the internet, Google and the browser. She didn't even realise there was a difference for many years. When I tried to introduce her to firefox she thought it was a different 'internet' because I didn't have google as the homepage (which is when I tried to explain google is a website, not the web. She didn't get it). Just because people have heard of or use the internet doesn't mean they actually know what it is, how it works, or anything other then how they access it.
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    5. Re:Series of tubes by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yes, most people have an idea of what the Internet does for them, but a number of laymen want to know what makes it go without being shown what a routing table is or what an MX record is for.

      For these people I say:

      "It's computers talking to other computers over cables. The cables are connected via a sort of automatic phone dialer called a "Router" using a sort of electronic phone directory called "DNS" where the name of the site you click on to is translated into the that site's phone number. That's simplistic, and there's a lot more to it than that of course, but that's basically it -- cables, routers and electronic directories".

      Disclaimer -- I'm a senior architect for a major telco's VoIP transformation, so nothing I'm likely to say is authoritative. But I do have to say these words to people...

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    6. Re:Series of tubes by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      Everyone I know either uses the internet, or at least knows what it is, and this isn't just geeks or nerds, it's 75-year-old retired people, disabled people, and assorted other totally non-technical people.

      What does being disabled have to do with the price of fish? With the possible exceptions of those whose disabilities hamper their use of a computer (impaired sight or mental faculties spring to mind), I can think of no reason why the proportion of geeks and technical people shouldn't be the same among disabled people as it is among able-bodied people.

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    7. Re:Series of tubes by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't see why even this explanation is necessary, unless they're specifically asking how the internet works. How many people ask their mechanic how their engine works? What's important is what it does for them, and in my experience, most of them seem to already know this. They connect to their service provider and have access to websites. They know what "internet" means. So why does this stupid politician feel the need to try to explain it? Does he also attempt to explain other modern inventions or utilities, instead of just calling them by name and assuming people already know what they are? Would a politician, talking about a healthcare issue, stop to tell people what a "hospital" is? Of course not. Similarly, there's simply no need for a definition of the internet. Everyone already knows. They don't need to know how it works.

    8. Re:Series of tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The scarier thing about Ted Stevens and this comment is that, at the time he made that tirade, he was chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee. Considering that the Internet directly generates goodness-knows-how-many-billions of dollars, and is essential for just about every other form of commerce in the United States (yes, Timmy, even his home state of Alaska - they do have computers there), he should be somewhat of an authority on the matter, just like Alan Greenspan was widely regarded to know a thing or two about fiscal policy.

      Ever hear the saying "It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool than to open it and prove them right"? Well, there stood Ted Stevens, mouth wide open.

    9. Re:Series of tubes by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It was just an example, just like the 75-year-old retired person, to show a diversity of people. I didn't want anyone to think my "sample group" was just a bunch of 20-something or 30-something male geeks, or younger professional people, or other such set of people restricted to a non-representative portion of the population.

    10. Re:Series of tubes by benplaut · · Score: 1

      this isn't just geeks or nerds, it's 75-year-old retired people, disabled people, and assorted other totally non-technical people.

      Oh, I get it. Politicians!

    11. Re:Series of tubes by sub67 · · Score: 1

      the main goal is to come up with something that physically describes the Internet in a way which laypeople can actually understand. The intent was to physically describe the internet. I'd have to say the best post up to this point is this one:

      "It's the phone system for computers. It allows your computer to contact other computers and exchange information, just like you do with your home phone. And as with your phone, there's lots of physical ways to make that work (cells phones, old black rotary phones, big office phone exchanges with hundreds of handsets, and so on. To important thing is the information that flows, and that the actually connection part has been automated so you don't have to worry about how it works, you can focus on the communication part of what you're trying to do..." - peterd (not signed in)
    12. Re:Series of tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you actually that dense that you don't realize how many MILLIONS of people do not have any access to electricity, much less a computer that can connect to the internet?

      Its not just "tribes in africa"... get a map, go travel someplace and realize how small your world actually is.

    13. Re:Series of tubes by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1
      Um yes, I get asked specifically how it works. By people missing technical clue #1, who both want and need to know. So it's good to have a stock "elevator explanation" in hand. Sometimes I get asked by people who believe that someone who can explain something simply is likely someone who knows what it's all about, who are dismissive of people who can't "rise above the detail", and from whom the butter for my bread cometh, i.e. boss-level. People who spear you with 10 seconds of intense interest and adjust your career based on what you say in the first 9 seconds of that.

      And everybody doesn't know. Honest. Senior execs, cab drivers, and nuns have asked me that question. They're not people I particularly want to offend, on general principles. Besides, I like people and appreciate their genuine interest.

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    14. Re:Series of tubes by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The politician in this article doesn't represent places that don't have access to electricity (which must be someplace outside the USA, which has electricity nearly everywhere thanks to the REA). Further, this whole issue is English-centric.

      I've been all over the USA. Again, this article doesn't concern anyone outside English-speaking countries, since it's about an American politician and an English succint definition of the internet.

    15. Re:Series of tubes by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Senior execs and cab drivers have asked you what the internet is, within the last 5 years or so? They must be totally clueless and not ever watch TV, because it would be pretty hard to not know what the internet is these days without being totally disconnected from American society. The nun I can understand, but a corporate exec is inexcusable (unless you're talking about 1994).

    16. Re:Series of tubes by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      I run a school network, and a know quite a number of staff, teaching and otherwise who:

        * really can't work out the difference between left and right click (we've considered labelling her fingers)
        * think there are two internets. MSN, and the one you get from our school homepage. If you can't get to by going through a series of clicks from those sites, it doesn't exist. Yes, I've showed them the address bar, they still don't get it. Yes, I've told them it's like telephone numbers or a postal address. They still don't get it.
        * Keep trying to send 70MB word files via email, and complain bitterly that it's 'just a few photos' when it gets denied. Yes, I've tried to explain several times that it's 'too big to fit down the pipe'. Perhaps I'll use a tube analogy next time.
        * Really, really really don't get the concept of shortcuts. "But it works on my laptop. Why doesn't it work on the school computer?" That's because you copied a link to the file, not the actual file. You've got the delivery slip, not the package. The file is still only on your laptop. Oh, and even if you do copy it over, it's some custom file that only works in that custom software on your laptop, as I told you last week. "But we had this exact conversation last week, and we're going to have this same converstion again next week, because I'm a moron and I don't understand anything about computers." OK, they didn't say that last bit. But they should have.
        * Internet = google = browser = email = windows = microsoft word. It's setup that way on their computer, so all other computers must work exactly the same way. EXACTLY. Or they're lost. Even a different homepage will throw them.
        * think "The internet is broken" is code for the following problems : "My laptop isn't plugged into a CAT5 cable and I have no wireless". "That block page saying I need to login to the school proxy first comes up every time when I try to load webpages, despite personally managing to follow the same instruction for the last 3 years". "My computer is off, and won't turn on". "My CDs won't play." And my personal favourite, "my mouse is unplugged".

      Yes, all of them don't really understand technology, and don't want to. That's life. Even if I have to tell them how to do the same thing over and over because they just, don't, can't get it. Ted Stevens would fit quite nicely into my school. He'd probably even qualify as an advanced user.

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    17. Re:Series of tubes by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      No, not what it is, everyone knows that --- they asked how it all worked. Different question.

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    18. Re:Series of tubes by corbettw · · Score: 1

      There are Congressmen who draft laws outlawing "assault rifles" based on the fact that the alleged "assault rifle" has a barrel shroud. Others draft laws telling doctors what procedures they perform to save a patient's life, ignoring the common wisdom of the medical community. And still others draft laws banning people from gambling with their own money in one manner, but not in others. So why should their regulation of the Internet be any less bone-headed or ill informed on the subject matter they wish to regulate than everything else they do?

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    19. Re:Series of tubes by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Hey, I'm not saying there aren't a bunch of morons out there using the internet, just that they don't need to be told over and over what the internet is (unless they specifically ask; I don't think anyone was asking this politician what the internet was).

      There's tons of people out there who don't understand why they can't run their hairdryer and a space heater on the same circuit at the same time without blowing a breaker, but that doesn't mean we need to take time out constantly to explain to them what "electricity" is in political speeches.

    20. Re:Series of tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep trying to send 70MB word files via email, and complain bitterly that it's 'just a few photos' when it gets denied. Yes, I've tried to explain several times that it's 'too big to fit down the pipe'. Perhaps I'll use a tube analogy next time.
      You have been misinformed the person them, the real reson is mail server settings, the pipe only determines how long it will take to send all the chunks that the message gets broken into.
    21. Re:Series of tubes by pizi · · Score: 1

      Last statistic from Czech Republic say, that more than 50% czech peoples has NEVER used internet. I'm from Czech republic and I was shocked, because everybody who I know use Internet here, so maybe in US there are many non-users too, but they are not visible.

    22. Re:Series of tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does it matter if your mother understands how the internet works?
      Sure, you and I think she'd be more impressed and get more out of it, but she probably doesn't care. If she's anything like my mother, "I do what I need to" is a common response.

      I explained the Internet to Mom as:
      A network of electronic devices, similar to the phone network, that can exchange data, information of almost any type throughout the world and into the solar system. Just like the yellow pages and road signs and newspapers and advertisements, DNS, yahoo.com and many other methods help humans and computers find what they seek. Just like busy signals and phones that are never answered, parts of the network or a computer fails. Just like your answering machine, computers do things we tell them without a human directly controlling them, but much more complicated.

      Again, what is possible is more important than how it works to most people. Just look at your car. Do you "really" know how it works in detail, every part? Yet, you can still drive.

    23. Re:Series of tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This person had trouble understanding that something needs to be plugged in for it to work (heaven knows how they manage to use anything electronic at all); how difficult do you think it would be to explain a "mail server" to them, let alone why it would be set so they "can't handle a few pictures"? Given that the "pipe" analogy fell short (hell, the cable coming out the back even LOOKS like a pipe of sorts!), GP would be insane to try and explain something MORE complex than something that was too complex in the first place!

    24. Re:Series of tubes by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      Not to nit pick, but this isn't about a politician, it was just brought up by an example of a politician. The discussion at hand is a layman's definition of the internet. That doesn't make it necessarily English-centric. It is English-centric by virtue of this forum being English-centric.

      Oh, and the USA isn't the only English-speaking country in the world, either. I would wager large portions of Australia don't have electricity but do have people. Granted, not many people, but they are there.

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    25. Re:Series of tubes by martyros · · Score: 1

      t's true, these people may not understand exactly what it is on a low level, like what backbones are, what companies own them, what TCP/IP is, etc., but just like with airplanes, they know the important stuff: that it's a "network" connected to their computer that they can use to access email, websites, and other services.

      That may work for the younger generation, who have grown up using the internet. They may have a more intuitive feel for what's actually happening, wrt communication, because they grew up with it -- sort of like "native intution" in speaking a language. But for people who are introduced to the internet as older adults, and who don't have the means or desire to learn the technical aspect of it, they don't really have a good idea how it works at all.

      In fact, I can say categorically that there's not always a lot of understanding. My wife has her bachelor's degree in chemical engineering. But if our internet connection goes down, she complains that "I still have three green bars" on the wireless connectivty, why can't I connect to gmail? Yes, love -- so your computer can talk to the router just fine, but the router can't talk over the internet. But no matter how many times I explain, it doesn't really sink in, and she soon forgets it.

      I recently had some success explaining the internet to my grandmother. She and my mother (who live together) had been using a particularly slow dial-up, and I had talked them into getting broadband. My grandmother wanted to know if the SBC internet would still have google and her mail and everything.

      So I drew a little picture for her -- the internet "cloud", with Amazon, Google, Juno, AOL, and SBC all connected to the cloud. Then I said that the internet is like telephones, except that instead of people talking to people, you have computers talking to computers. When you type in "www.amazon.com", your computer calls up a server at amazon and asks, "Hey, can i have the main web page." And amazon sends it back. Then when you click on something, the your computer calls up amazon again and asks for that web page. Then I said that SBC or dial-up over AOL are just different ways of connecting your computer to the internet, so that it can talk to servers like Amazon or Google.

      At this point, she looked at me, and I could see the wheels of her sharp, 80-year old mind turning, coming to grips with the basic idea of what was going on.

      Of course, my brother then wanted to explain about packets and routing and such, but I thought we could save that for another time.

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    26. Re:Series of tubes by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, not what it is, everyone knows that --- they asked how it all worked. Different question.

      Yeah, that's exactly my point here.

    27. Re:Series of tubes by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I thought the issue, however, was how to tell people what the internet is when they don't already know. My whole point was that everyone already knows, at least in the first-world countries. They might not know how exactly it works, but they know enough to use it, just like they know enough to use electricity or cars or trains.

      The English-centricity seems fairly important to me, however, because if people are trying to come up with analogies, aren't a lot of these not going to make much sense to people with a different language and culture?

  4. the internet in a nutshell by Rudisaurus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's pretty much a telephone system, except that it's computers calling other computers. Most people have a basic understanding of the workings -- if not the mechanics -- of a phone system.

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    1. Re:the internet in a nutshell by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      It's pretty much a telephone system, except that it's computers calling other computers

      The only problem with that analogy is that it doesn't differentiate between a circuit-switched network (phones) and a packet-switched network (the Internet). But, then, maybe it's not really necessary to explain that to a lay person.

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    2. Re:the internet in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      more like a really fast postal system ... everything being sent on multiple postcards and being rearranged into a sensible conversation at either end.

    3. Re:the internet in a nutshell by quanticle · · Score: 1

      The only problem with that analogy is that it doesn't differentiate between a circuit-switched network (phones) and a packet-switched network (the Internet).


      Most data is sent across TCP connections, which do a pretty good job of emulating a circuit switched connection on a packet switched network. Also, many types of phone service (calling cards especially) are packet switched as well, with the actual packet switched nature being hidden under a layer of abstraction.
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    4. Re:the internet in a nutshell by mc6809e · · Score: 1
      It's pretty much a telephone system, except that it's computers calling other computers. Most people have a basic understanding of the workings -- if not the mechanics -- of a phone system.


      It's not at all like the telephone system. The telephone system relies on the idea of circuits -- physical and virtual, while the internet relies on the idea of packets.


      Stevens' metaphor is the one of the best ever used, especially in the context of quality of service. As soon as I heard him call the internet a series of tubes, I recalled the queues used to hold packets in nearly all routers.


      A FIFO queue in a router works just like a tube. Packets go in one end, lined up behind other earlier arriving packets, and then are dequeued and sent to the next router. In many cases packets actually spend most of their time in these tubes rather than traveling down fiber or wire.


      Now these tubes can be a problem for low latency traffic. For example a tiny voice packet might have to sit in this tube behind a number of large packets containing a gif of grandma's dog. Before the VoIP packet gets sent to the next link, the tube has to emit all that bulk data. The latency introduced in this waiting can ruin a VoIP call.


      Now if we add QoS and packet prioritization, we can change the order of the data in the tube and now the VoIP call is possible AND grandma still gets to send her picture of fluffy. We could, for example, charge one person a rate for a low latency link used for VoIP, and give grandma a cheap, bulk data connection.

      The great thing about packet prioritization in general is that the usefulness of the link goes up since both bulk traffic and low latency traffic can coexist.


      This all connects back to the net neutrality debate, which was what Stevens was talking about in the first place.


      Now most net neutrality legislation would end up preventing useful prioritization for the simple reason that users can tunnel their traffic through the most favored protocols. The only realistic way to handle prioritizatoin is by IP address -- and that's specifically outlawed by most NN proposals.

    5. Re:the internet in a nutshell by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In all of 0.5 seconds i came up with this:
      "A global computer network."

      People all know the word 'A' but probably couldn't tell you if it is an article or a noun.
      People understand global. To the stupidest it means big, to the educated.. well they should know damn well what the internet is.
      Computer. You know that thing that beeps and bops and plays games and downloads porn.
      Network. That thing you build up when you politic.. except this time its for computers.

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    6. Re:the internet in a nutshell by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1

      I agree, this is the easiest to understand for the lay person, especially since you plug your modem into a phone jack. The only thing I would add in for clarification is that both computers talk to each other. A lot of people seem confused with all of the net neutrality and peer-to-peer stuff.

    7. Re:the internet in a nutshell by OctaviusIII · · Score: 1

      I thought about the idea of telephones, but then I found myself trying to explain 127.0.0.1 and IP addresses to someone one time and the analogy broke down. So here's what I came up with.

      The internet is a means by which computer can communicate with one another. They know which is which because each computer has a "name", called an IP address. Individual computers talk to a central computer, whose name it knows, to find out the name of the computer it's trying to get to. The central computer directs its requests to where they're supposed to go. In this analogy, 127.0.0.1 is the equivalent of "me".

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    8. Re:the internet in a nutshell by pQueue · · Score: 1

      The great thing about packet prioritization in general is that the usefulness of the link goes up since both bulk traffic and low latency traffic can coexist.
      The usefulness of the internet goes down if you start doing packet prioritization. Who should decide what packets get the fast lane, while the others have to wait? The inevitable result is the largest companies will have the fastest packets and my ssh session, webpage, or online gaming will lag.
    9. Re:the internet in a nutshell by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      That misses the connectionless nature of the internet.

      It's more like a collection of shipping companies that let you write a delivery and return address on a package of data and then carry each package to the destination, handing it off from one company to another if necessary, until it gets there (or gets lost).

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    10. Re:the internet in a nutshell by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      The only problem with that analogy is that it doesn't differentiate between a circuit-switched network (phones) and a packet-switched network (the Internet).
      Most of the newer telephone infrastructure is ATM, which is also packet-switched.

    11. Re:the internet in a nutshell by dr_strang · · Score: 1

      So it's less like a telephone system and more like a sewer system? I can see that.

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    12. Re:the internet in a nutshell by mc6809e · · Score: 1

      The usefulness of the internet goes down if you start doing packet prioritization. Who should decide what packets get the fast lane, while the others have to wait? The inevitable result is the largest companies will have the fastest packets and my ssh session, webpage, or online gaming will lag.


      I think you're wrong. I think that the inevitable result is that you would buy a connection that gave low latency/low bandwidth connections and "big companies" would buy the cheapest, bulk, high latency services to save money.

      What prioritization gives then, is more efficient use of a shared link because people pay only for the services they need, rather than forcing everyone to buy the same "best effort" service.

      Consider an ssh session on a link shared with bulk downloads. How much bandwidth would you need to buy to guarantee a low lantency connection?

      You can't answer that because bulk downloads have the potential to saturate most reasonably priced links. If your ssh packets are queued behind big chuncks of video and stuck in a router, tough luck.

      However, if you could get a low latency, guaranteed link that with an average bandwidth of just 3KBps, ssh would be just fine. Many games would be the same way. I used to play netrek all the time. The bandwidth per client was about 1.5KBps. That's with 10 FPS and 16 players shooting torps at each other.

      But without prioritization, busy links make things like netrek impossible to play -- even though they consume a relatively small amount of bandwidth.

      That makes the internet less useful.

    13. Re:the internet in a nutshell by Evil+Poot+Cat · · Score: 1

      "A global computer network."
      ...based on international standards. I'd also put emphases on 'A' and 'network'.
      I remember running an "intro to internet" class for some folks from a local phone company (90's), and that's how I described it. (The "it's like the phone network" analogy wouldn't fly one bit.)
    14. Re:the internet in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That misses the connectionless nature of the internet.
      How so? When people talk to each other (when they 'network'), it's a connectionless activity. You can walk past someone and say hello without a guaranteed reply. The connectedness is on a higher level, just like on the net!
    15. Re:the internet in a nutshell by CatoNine · · Score: 1

      Funny, I came up with the exact same one.
      (but alright, in 2.5 seconds)

      The essence of the net is the ability of computers worldwide to communicate.
      The ever expanding _uses_ of this, and why these have mega-big-f*ck*ng social
      and economic implications is another story.

      Describing that is a single sentence in a useful way seems impossible.
      You end up with something generic like the first post, which, incidentally,
      could also apply to a world wide smoke signalling system because it does not
      mention computers :-).

    16. Re:the internet in a nutshell by thegnu · · Score: 1

      People all know the word 'A' but probably couldn't tell you if it is an article or a noun.

      It's a fucking noun, isn't it? :-)

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    17. Re:the internet in a nutshell by ephedream · · Score: 1

      "Global Computer Network" is a prett decent definition. I think a good alternative would be simply "General Purpose Data Transmission Utility". The internet has been described as the "5th utility" and it is increasingly being used for all sorts of devices that just want to transmit data in a convenient way. My cell phone connects to the internet but it is not what most people would call a "computer" (though technically it is). Eventually your refrigerator will one day connect to the internet, right? And don't forget of course the robot that will take care of your mother in 20 years will also be internet-connected so you can program it when to feed her, give her baths, etc. So basically the internet is a utility for data transmission upon which you can build many layers of protocols for applications, for any number of purposes, whether industrial, business, gaming, library information and of course pr0n.

    18. Re:the internet in a nutshell by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      How so? When people talk to each other (when they 'network'), it's a connectionless activity.

      I guess I should have quoted the parent, which was talking specifically about the telephone network.

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    19. Re:the internet in a nutshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this - the internet is a communications network for computers - much like the telephone. When you connect your computer to the internet you allow it to 'talk' to any other computers that are also connected. This allows you to use applications such as email or a web browser.

  5. Porn Central by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Funny

    Succinct enough for you?

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  6. The internet by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Porn and spam occasionally interspersed with content.

  7. A global network of computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Possibly a solar network of computers.

  8. Can't do better than this: by Mr_Icon · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "The Internet is a series of boobs."

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    1. Re:Can't do better than this: by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Whoever moderated this 'Redundant' is clearly insane.

      There can never be too many boobs.

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  9. It's Tubes, Quite ALright by osewa77 · · Score: 1

    I have no problem with the "series of tubes" definition. It's pretty accurate. Tubes are fixed in capacity, as are most Internet links. However, there is only one Internet. ;-)

    1. Re:It's Tubes, Quite ALright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree. The problem here is that the Internet is close to being irreducible in it's complexity, and thus any simplifying metaphor will have to ignore a huge chunk of what's going on. There is simply nothing that people know that is both sufficiently common and sufficiently similar to really work as an analogy.

      The the metaphors must be tailored to the aspect you want to describe, and in the sense that bandwidth is a limited resource, clogged tubes sort of work. A network of roads with trucks on them trucks works well too.
      (Of course, we know that both these analogies are stupid, because it's really a matter of opening and closing circuits to replicate bit states etc. Ergo, nothing really *moves* anywhere.)

      Having said that though, I think he sounds stupid most because of *how* he says it. It's clear that he doesn't understand his own analogy and the limits of it's validity. The analogy itself is ok though.

    2. Re:It's Tubes, Quite ALright by cultrhetor · · Score: 1

      The problem here is that the Internet is close to being irreducible in it's complexity, and thus any simplifying metaphor will have to ignore a huge chunk of what's going on. Thus the need for a metaphor for explanation. There's also the fact that even among geeks, the "internet" will have wildly varying definitions, depending on the area of geekspertise.
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  10. Ted Stevens was way off by Mr2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not a "series of tubes". God, what a stupid definition.

    It's an array of pipes!

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    1. Re:Ted Stevens was way off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. It's obviously an ensemble of ducts.

    2. Re:Ted Stevens was way off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i accidently deleted the internet..sorry

    3. Re:Ted Stevens was way off by Cheapy · · Score: 1

      So, you hop in one pipe, and get taken to another place. Sometimes this other place will make you lots of coin. Sometimes you'll see some mindboggling things. Sometimes you'll have to jump on some trolls to knock them down. There's only one female...

      That sounds...familiar.

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  11. Youtube answers by mattbelcher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just send them this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=1n4fDgmrF3o

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    1. Re:Youtube answers by Shemmie · · Score: 1

      From the video : There's no a lot of... screen-fulls of 'Go to Hell'
      http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22go+to+hell%22

      Results 1 - 10 of about 1,500,000 for "go to hell"
      Ahh, how things change.
    2. Re:Youtube answers by SAFH · · Score: 1

      From the video, seven more opinions on what Internet meant in 1995

      Stein in Oslo
              There are no borders on the internet colour, age and nationality don't matter

      Andrea in Washington, D.C.
              It frees me to be me - not someone inconveniencing others with my needs as a deaf person.

      Richard Summer in England
              I can indulge my deep and abiding passion for all things Thai.

      Heidi in Toronto
              It has more soul than any human being I know!

      Mark in Pennsylvania
              The net is helping the University of Asmara in Eritrea with books on everything.

      Herardo in Mexico,
              It's a window to the world

      Marcus in Mylan
              Internet is: Liberty, friends all over the world, fun, information, anonymity, part of our every-day life and much, much more ... and the cost of Internet, $200 per year in 1995

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    3. Re:Youtube answers by flotationIsGroovy · · Score: 1

      "There's an interesting kind of restraint ... there's not a lot of cursing ... swearing ... put-downs ..." Aahahaha!!!
  12. What's so wrong with Tubes? by TheSkyIsPurple · · Score: 1

    What's really all that wrong about tubes as a layman's descriptor? Like any metaphor it can be taken too far, but the metaphor itself is not bad.

    It's like if you were describing a car... aw never mind ;-)

    1. Re:What's so wrong with Tubes? by ResidntGeek · · Score: 1

      The problem is that he not only took it too far in explaining bandwidth shortage, but invented it specifically to justify that bandwidth shortage, which it so miserably failed to do. The "series of tubes" metaphor says that bandwidth is inherently limited by the tubes, which are for the most part difficult to replace, when in reality it's limited by the machines connected by the tubes, which even a layman understands can be replaced without digging up cables all around the world.

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  13. Millions of computers hooked together by h2oliu · · Score: 1

    Not entirely accurate, as you then have to define computers, but as close as I can come.

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    1. Re:Millions of computers hooked together by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      Or better: lots of networks hooked together. That's why it's called internet.

      To me, the most important things to know are:

      1) on the internet every computer has a unique ip adres.

      2) data is sent to other computers by means of routing. For an ordinary computer, that means looking at the destination addres to determine if it is on the local network. If so, it sends it directly to that computer, if not it sends it to the router. Routers connect different networks, and when a message arrives, it retransmits it on another network that is closer to the destination.

      That's very simplified, of course, but it's a start.

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    2. Re:Millions of computers hooked together by scottv67 · · Score: 1

      1) on the internet every computer has a unique ip adres.

      I would have to disagree with that statement. How do you explain multiple webservers sharing a single IP that are behind a load balancing device? What about anycast DNS? How about a single IP address that can be NAT'ed to multiple servers (port 80 goes to Server A, port 25 goes to server B, port 21 goes to Server C)? I'm sure there are other examples.

    3. Re:Millions of computers hooked together by heinousjay · · Score: 1

      You don't explain any of it. The important thing to note here is that you are not trying to get someone up to speed on the whole shebang. There's a level of detail beyond which it is perfectly acceptable to say "here be dragons."

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    4. Re:Millions of computers hooked together by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      you don't explain that until later. Its a hack that some people will need to be made aware of in explaining why stuff doesn't work but its not fundamental to the internet.

      I'd also question whether a machine without a public IP was actually on the internet in the first place, imo there is a difference between "has access to the internet" and "on the internet" though the distinction is a bit blurry.

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    5. Re:Millions of computers hooked together by Mr2cents · · Score: 1

      That's why I added "That's very simplified, of course, but it's a start". Anycast is an exception, I know. Unfortunately to explain that you first need to bootstrap them with a basic understanding or they'll go catatonic.

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  14. The Internet is... by Jimmy_B · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Internet is a bunch of electronics which let any connected computer communicate with any other connected computer. It is useful because many of those computers provide information and services on request.

    That's it. The Internet is not wires, fiber-optic cables, http, TCP/IP, or anything like that, because those are technical details which have changed in the past and may change in the future.

    1. Re:The Internet is... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's a really good definition. You are right that the key observation is that the technological means by which all of the computers are connected and the protocols they use are not important.

      However since we are defining The Internet and not merely any computer network (to which your definition would apply), you should mention that this is a globally connected public system.

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    2. Re:The Internet is... by bogjobber · · Score: 1

      Actually, the electronics part is also a technical detail which has changed slightly, and may change more in the future as well. Also, the definition you gave is just a definition of a network. It's not unique to "the Internet."

    3. Re:The Internet is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about my Nintendo DS! Pssh.

    4. Re:The Internet is... by servognome · · Score: 1

      You are right that the key observation is that the technological means by which all of the computers are connected and the protocols they use are not important
      The protocols & connections make "The Internet." If you are networking without those, it's not "The Internet", it's some other network.
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    5. Re:The Internet is... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Um, not even. For one, you can use the same types of connections and the exact same protocols in any network, and that doesn't make them The Internet. And for two, The Internet is still The Internet when the protocol changes or a new connection type (e.g. satellite) is added to the mix.

      The tech is irrelevent, and will change. It will still be The Internet. The Internet is the global network, and that's what makes it what it is. Not the format of the bits going across it.

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    6. Re:The Internet is... by servognome · · Score: 1

      Um, not even. For one, you can use the same types of connections and the exact same protocols in any network, and that doesn't make them The Internet.
      I was referring to what you are connected to, not the type of connection. You can't just make a global network and call it "The Internet." It has to be connected to the existing framework.

      And for two, The Internet is still The Internet when the protocol changes or a new connection type (e.g. satellite) is added to the mix.
      You can redefine the Internet by changing the protocol. Let's say a part of The Internet changes protocols and cannot communicate with other nodes, Is it still part of the Internet? That's why typically there is backwards compatibility, so it isn't a complete change, rather it's an augmentation.

      The Internet is the global network, and that's what makes it what it is. Not the format of the bits going across it.
      There are many global networks. What differentiates The Internet from other global networks is the format of bits, how they are handled, and where they can go.
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    7. Re:The Internet is... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      You can't just make a global network and call it "The Internet." It has to be connected to the existing framework.

      Exactly. The technology is irrelevent, it's what you are connecting to.

      What differentiates The Internet from other global networks is the format of bits, how they are handled, and where they can go.

      No, what differentiates The Internet is that it isn't a restricted access private network like all other global networks. Instead of being controlled by one source, it is an agreement between many parties with the effect that essentially anyone in the world can set up an ISP and/or get an internet connection. That's the difference.

      The format of bits is irrelevent. Again, other networks use the same format of bits, but this means nothing they still aren't The Internet. The only reason the format of bits matter is that they must agree. There must be a protocol, but what that actual protocol is means nothing at all as far as defining what The Internet is. So no, IPvWhatever has absolutely zero to do with the definition of the Internet.

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    8. Re:The Internet is... by servognome · · Score: 1

      No, what differentiates The Internet is that it isn't a restricted access private network like all other global networks. Instead of being controlled by one source, it is an agreement between many parties with the effect that essentially anyone in the world can set up an ISP and/or get an internet connection. That's the difference.
      That is true of telephone networks as well.

      The format of bits is irrelevent. Again, other networks use the same format of bits, but this means nothing they still aren't The Internet
      It's not either the connection, or the format that defines the internet... it's both. Other networks use the same format as the internet, but are not part of the internet because they are not conencted. Other networks use the same connections, but are not part of the internet because they use different protocols and can't be accessed
      Those that share the same connections and protocols are part of the internet.
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  15. Tubes are fine by rta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thougth the "tubes" analogy was fine, myself. I don't know why people got on his case about it.
    Usually when i try to describe the internet I liken it to the mail system. You have "envelopes" that are addressed to someplace. Then they get picked up by someone, thrown on a truck, routed etc. It's basically the same thing that happens with packets as they get routed.

    As far as the WWW goes, that's a different and distinct thing that's built on top of the Internet. I don't think it's really that hard to explain. It's just like a library or newspaper basically.

    If you want to get into the finer social implications.. then that's another story, but the basics, I think, are easily understood in terms of familiar concepts.

    1. Re:Tubes are fine by akb · · Score: 1

      I agree. Networking people often refer to "pipes", so I have no problem with "tubes" and never really got why people made such a big deal about that part of his comments. The other parts of his comments are *much* more ridiculous ("an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday, I got it yesterday"), let alone his position on the net neutrality issue and, more generally, that he is a bought and paid for shill.

    2. Re:Tubes are fine by Nutria · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      I agree. Networking people often refer to "pipes", so I have no problem with "tubes" and never really got why people made such a big deal about that part of his comments.

      Because he's a doddering old, bought-and-paid-for Republican.

      If a doddering old, bought-and-paid-for Democrat *cough*Ted Kennedy*cough* had said the same thing, you'd have heard some background sniggering and Vint Cerf would have flown to Massachusetts spending a week trying to explain it to him.

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    3. Re:Tubes are fine by vanyel · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much what I always figured, but people should call him out on *that*, not make fun of the one thing he actually got reasonably right.

    4. Re:Tubes are fine by lawrenlives · · Score: 1

      I know why they got on his case, because it was ridiculously funny. Here's a little sample. "Ten movies streaming across that internet, and what happens to your own personal internet? I...just the other day got an internet that was sent by my staff on Friday. I got it yesterday." Ok, Ted!

      Internet: something you ride on up to

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    5. Re:Tubes are fine by starrsoft · · Score: 1

      Exactly. His problem was not his description of the internet as a "series of tubes", but rather his problem was that he was a Republican being discussed on Slashdot.

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    6. Re:Tubes are fine by houghi · · Score: 1

      I also explain it using tubes when people ask about bandwith. The tubes are as different size. Also when they can't download at a certain speed at some times. That is because the pipes are a fixed witdth and there is a maximum amount of water/data that can go thought it.

      It often depends on what part I want to explain on how I explain it. The above is the more technical side. Then there is the human side. It is just a bunch of people.

      The difficult part is to explain why you pay so much for a phonecall, yet you do not pay anything (extra) for connections all over the world and that for any amount of time.

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    7. Re:Tubes are fine by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      The difficult part is to explain why you pay so much for a phonecall
      two reasons
      1: Phone is higher priority (both in terms of priority in bandwidth and in terms of fixing stuff quickly when it goes wrong)
      2: monopolistic practices

      with voip you can call anyone on your voip network for nothing more than the cost of bandwidth from your ISP and you can call people on POTs in the western world pretty cheap too but things may be unreliable and use of it will be blocked in some places by monopolistic local governemnts.

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    8. Re:Tubes are fine by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I thougth the "tubes" analogy was fine, myself. I don't know why people got on his case about it.

      I really don't think it is a bad analogy, as far as analogies go. All analogies are inherently inaccurate-- if they were all accurate, it would be a valid description and not an analogy. And really, many of us do think about the internet as pipes of some kind-- conduits with a limited capacity.

      I think the reason why people "got on his case" was that he is in a position where he really ought to know something about the internet-- since it's his job to deal with legislation that effects the internet-- and he showed little understanding beyond this vague analogy. He talked about "sending an internet" when he meant that he'd sent an e-mail.

      I think if you want to get more literal, the internet itself can be compared to a postal system. The whole point is to somehow transport information from point A to point B. Different things can be sent in different packages, and there are many ways to get from point A to point B. We have addresses to tell people where things should go, but you still need to look up where those addresses are supposed to be. Different areas have different mailmen (routers, I guess?) who know how to find things, and so your mailman hands your package off to another mailman who knows how to find the next mailman, in a chain until the package gets to its intended recipient.

  16. It's a big truck by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

    The internet is a big truck.

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    1. Re:It's a big truck by Entropius · · Score: 1

      So it's something you just dump something on?

    2. Re:It's a big truck by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      Is it a monster truck or like a triple trailer semi? Oooh I hope it's a firetruck!

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    3. Re:It's a big truck by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

      Yes Mr. Senator.

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  17. no simple definition by G27+Radio · · Score: 1

    I could say: The Internet is a network of computers linked together. Different pieces are owned by different companies and individuals. There is no central authority that controls the Internet. However the computers, services, and network connections that make up the Internet can be controlled by the owners of the parts.

    Of course, that only describes one aspect. There are many aspects, so your layman's description should change with context.

  18. oblig simpsons by Loconut1389 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Series of tubes" is a perfectly cromulent expression.

    1. Re:oblig simpsons by crimson30 · · Score: 1

      "Series of tubes"

      Whoa, whoa -- slow down, egghead!

    2. Re:oblig simpsons by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      LOL, wish I had mod points for that one...

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    3. Re:oblig simpsons by JohnKrasnay · · Score: 1

      ...that embiggens our understanding of the Internet.

  19. How's this for simple? by Grandmaster+Mort · · Score: 1

    The Internet is a collection of network computers that are assigned a valid public IP (Internet Protocol) address. That pretty much sums it up, doesn't it? :-P

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  20. The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find that this website does a sufficient job of explaining to the less technically minded what the internet is and is all about.

  21. Re:If you don't understand what the internet is by by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is exactly the sort of naive, elitist, holier-than-thou attitude I would expect from someone with "God spoke to me." and a link to a religious website in their sig.

  22. The definition I've always used: by jd · · Score: 1
    A federation of computer networks that discriminates only by the ability to exchange information with something in that federation.

    (It's not about protocols. If you wired up a network using X.25 or DECNet, fired up some obscure machine, loaded up an information server on it, then provided a gateway to regular TCP/IP and a proxy to HTTP, that machine would be as much "on the internet" as any other. Any definition has to allow for non-standard connections, or it's not a complete definition of the Internet that people use.)

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  23. The Internet is a model train set by sserendipity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is how I describe it to people.

    There are a bunch of computers - big and small, like the one on your desk and big ones that live in big rooms full of other computers. In between them is a lot of fiber optic cable. And organizing all the fiber optic cable is a set of junctions, like you would have in a model train set, only functioning at a bazillion miles an hour.

    Each little bit of data that you ask for, and the request itself, is like a little train, going down a track. It keeps hitting these junctions that read where it is going and shunt it onto the right cable to get there. When it gets there, in all likelihood the computer at that end sends something back, which travels the same way.

    1. Re:The Internet is a model train set by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      What's a shunt?

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    2. Re:The Internet is a model train set by sserendipity · · Score: 1

      The internet provides.

    3. Re:The Internet is a model train set by tibike77 · · Score: 1

      How about this: a global road system that only a lot of very small, very fast mail trucks use ?

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    4. Re:The Internet is a model train set by fractoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sounds good. I dunno about the trains and tracks thing though, since the trains get destroyed and recreated (cloned) at each junction).

      I'd describe it as like a telephone network, where any computer can dial and talk to any other computer, but that's cheating because that's what it is. :P Maybe a better analogy would be a classroom with a bunch of kids (computers) passing notes (packets) to each other. If a kid passes a note to someone directly beside them (same subnet) then they can just reach over and drop it on their desk. If it needs to go to a kid on the opposite side of the room, they pass the note to their friend who passes it on.

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    5. Re:The Internet is a model train set by buswolley · · Score: 2, Funny
      Try this: The every-man definition for

      Internet: The internet is like a giant brain, in which you are a moron -I mean neuron.

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    6. Re:The Internet is a model train set by Bin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe a better analogy would be a classroom with a bunch of kids (computers) passing notes (packets) to each other. If a kid passes a note to someone directly beside them (same subnet) then they can just reach over and drop it on their desk. If it needs to go to a kid on the opposite side of the room, they pass the note to their friend who passes it on.

      That's quite good.

      I would also say:

      • You are sat at a desk just outside the door which you can open when you "dial-up" to pass notes to the nearest desk inside.
      • The notes have:
        • Who they are to.
        • Who they are from.
        • Are only allowed 3 words of actual message.
        • A sequence number to allow you to send a long message by breaking it into 3 word chunks and the re-assembling the it at the other end.
      • The other end will send you notes back saying "I have up to message 10", but they will write it "ack 10" and they can also send 3 words on that note if they want to.
      • There is no teacher in the class room.
      Bryn
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    7. Re:The Internet is a model train set by stjobe · · Score: 1

      I actually taught my students RIP this way. They had to build up their own classroom routing table with information from the notes they were passing round. Big success, and quite fun too :)

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    8. Re:The Internet is a model train set by aichpvee · · Score: 2, Funny

      But what's the internet?

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    9. Re:The Internet is a model train set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why it's called The Information SuperRailway

    10. Re:The Internet is a model train set by slyxter · · Score: 0

      So then I guess the internet is a series of trains?

    11. Re:The Internet is a model train set by andreMA · · Score: 1

      There is no teacher in the class room.
      Yet.
  24. The Internet for Dummies by twolfe · · Score: 1

    Just ask any ISP sales weasle to explain it to (insert non-clued layman here), they are used to dumbing it down for clueless business decision makers at companies worldwide. Sure, half the crap coming out of it's mouth will be wrong, but it will be layman enough for most non-technical folks to at least grasp the concept...

    Nobody does dumb like a dummy...

  25. Simple English Wiki by daeg · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The Simple English Wikipedia edition has a decent definition, although it throws in packet switching and "IP" in the definition (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet):

    The Internet is a worldwide network of interconnected computer networks that transmit data by packet switching using the standard Internet Protocol (IP). It is a "network of networks" that consists of millions of smaller domestic, academic, business, and government networks, which together carry various information and services, such as electronic mail, online chat, file transfer, and the interlinked Web pages and other documents of the World Wide Web.


    So when you come up with a good definition, please contribute and edit the Simple English page.
  26. Easy by TodMinuit · · Score: 1

    A bunch of wires connected to a bunch of other wires.

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  27. Pipes okay, but not tubes? by PizzaFace · · Score: 1

    I think Senator Stevens got a bad rap for that one. Techies often talk about "fat pipes" when they mean fast network connections, and evidently the image stuck in Stevens' head. I'd give him the benefit of assuming he was speaking metaphorically, since he must know that there's no actual tube connected to his computer.

    1. Re:Pipes okay, but not tubes? by coug_ · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I'm no a fan of Stephens particularly, but he definitely got a bad rap for this one. The full quote is actually very well thought out and intelligent sounding, even if it is using layman's terms.

      "They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material."

      I think Senator Stevens got a bad rap for that one. Techies often talk about "fat pipes" when they mean fast network connections, and evidently the image stuck in Stevens' head. I'd give him the benefit of assuming he was speaking metaphorically, since he must know that there's no actual tube connected to his computer.
    2. Re:Pipes okay, but not tubes? by esconsult1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but he all lost us all when he mentioned trucks.

    3. Re:Pipes okay, but not tubes? by akb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree with the bad rap on the tube thing, but I would fail him in Networking 101 for "an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday, I got it yesterday. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially".

    4. Re:Pipes okay, but not tubes? by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      Listen to Ted Stevens's commentary. It's painful. And it's not just his terminology or laymen's understanding of the Internet. It's that his speech is jarring, disjointed, and difficult (almost painful) to listen to.

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    5. Re:Pipes okay, but not tubes? by Raptoer · · Score: 1

      Thats the decent part of the speech. The other parts of the speech are complete nonsense, like his calling an email an internet, and was slow because the tubes were clogged with video + media.

    6. Re:Pipes okay, but not tubes? by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material."

      It displays an amazing ignorance of the scale and nature of the Internet. He is almost certainly not waiting to receive a 10 megabyte email, so the other traffic on the Internet is essentially meaningless. My ping times to anywhere in the world are never above 1 second (except to dialup users), which means that email will not be delayed much longer than the time it takes to transmit it with available bandwidth. There is no "filled" tube for a message to get in line behind, only a great number of packets of roughly the same size with equal priority. The real reason his email took longer to arrive than expected was probably because of busy spam/virus/censorship/echelon filters and spam-clogged email servers.

      In fact, he Internet *is* something to just dump things on. It is designed to work that way because it's a packet switched network. It's not like a highway where mac trucks block traffic; the mac trucks and cars get cut up into equal size packets and the packets all go the same speed. The mac trucks still take longer to get where they're going, but none of the cars ever have to wait behind them. At worst, the roads just get too crowded and bandwidth has to be increased.

    7. Re:Pipes okay, but not tubes? by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 1

      Why quote only part? Listen to the whole thing here.
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE
      And then tell me, with a straight face, that this guy is even 100% aware that there are words coming out of his mouth.

  28. best definition I've heard... by Floritard · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Internet is a communication tool used the world over where people can come together to bitch about movies and share pornography with one another. - Ben Affleck - Dogma (1999)
    1. Re:best definition I've heard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OT: Isn't that quote from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back?

    2. Re:best definition I've heard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I am not mistaken, that quote was from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back(2001).

    3. Re:best definition I've heard... by Fireflymantis · · Score: 1

      a communication tool used the world over where people can come together to bitch about movies - Ben Affleck - Dogma (1999) Speaking of bitching about movies... That qoute was from Jay and Silent Bob.
  29. A series of... by spiritraveller · · Score: 1

    Wires connecting a lot of computers.

    Communication occurs over various "ports," which are similar in concept to frequencies in the radio world.

    With any "layman's definition," you have to make analogies to things that the layman already understands. Otherwise, you would have to go into great technical detail. Sen. Stevens problem was that he simply repeated someone else's analogy (a telco/cableco lobbyist's for certain) but he does not understand it himself.

    The analogy he used was not appropriate for explaining the internet, but it was appropriate for advocating a legislative position. By simply repeating it as if it were a scientific lesson, he made himself look like a buffoon.

  30. Best definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A series of '0's and '1's with the occasional '2'

  31. Highway. by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 1

    Taking a queue from the tired phrase "information superhighway" I have always tried to describe the internet as a series of roads to people. Granted the analogy is not perfect, but it has enough things to get close:

    Bandwidth - how many lanes the road supports, the wider the number of lanes, the more traffic it can support (I also illustrate transportation types - motorcycles are fast but carry little, trucks carry lots and are slow etc.)

    latency - the speed limit on that section of road

    Ports/firewall ports: toll booths with only specific lanes open.

    Hub: a 4 way stop.
    Switch: a 4 way intersection with traffic lights.
    Router: A cloverleaf overpass - often with police (police being firewall policies).

    I can use the above examples with the appropriate word "traffic" and explain how network segments are slow or faster than others. Describing the methods of connecting to the network such as a 56k modem being a pot hole filled dirt road, comparing cable internet to an express way etc.

    Again, not perfect, but it gets enough of the ideas across for people to make some sense of it.

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    1. Re:Highway. by damium · · Score: 1

      Hub: a 4 way stop.

      More like an uncontrolled intersection that also happens to duplicate traffic entering the intersection down every road. Hubs cause collisions and packet loss and function as 'dumb' repeaters.

      One of the biggest problems with the "road" analogy of the internet is that the internet is built backwards from roads.
      Think of cities as LAN networks, highways as the internet:

      • Highways connecting cities would be narrower and slower than the roads in city most times. (Site links are slower than LAN links).
      • Most highway interchanges would take place in the middle of nowhere. (POP locations are not on networks).
      • Everyone leases or owns their own sets of roads and pays to use highways based on how much they use them (or how much they are allowed to use them).
      • Vehicles don't need to make round trips.

      The last point is why I don't think you can use any physical medium as a good analogy for the internet. Physical transport works differently. Radically differently. Be it pipes, tubes, or roads you are not sending physical media. Networks *cannot* become plugged, gridlocked, blocked, or full. They can and do become flooded, looped, unreliable, delayed, and non-existent and can be moved into or out-of one of these states almost instantly.

    2. Re:Highway. by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 1

      Your points are all valid. However, when explaining to a layperson, I think the analogy works well. And it is hard to realistically describe a hub with car accients - even if it is more accurate - I just leave the basics in there as I said. Not perfect, but it gives people a place to start without having to learn TCP/IP

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  32. Communication System that Survives a Nuclear War by c0d3r · · Score: 1

    Internet - A Communication System that can Survive a Nuclear War.

  33. Tubes! by ZDRuX · · Score: 1

    Hmm.. I always though Ted Steven's explanation was quite adequite, nobody else here seems to agree with me though, tough times!

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  34. Ill tell you what Sen.Stevens was trying to get at by unity100 · · Score: 1

    he was trying to get at finding a way for enabling big corps who are naturally affiliated with "the good ol boys" club that runs the senate, capitol hill and administration to be able to control internet.

    and his definition of internet in fact was "something we ol' boys definitely need to put a leash on and control that this freedom of information thing wont go far and hurt our 'business'"

    the reason that his actual definition and what he said about the tubes seeming sooo different when you would actually hear them was his motive about "i (actually one of his aides) need to put up a definition that will further our bidding and sufficiently silly that 'stupid' (this is what ol' boys think about ya rednecks out there) people will be fooled by it and side by us".

    this is what it was all about.

  35. A roadmap for clouds by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

    Multidimensional, between entities that appear, disappear, and change location without notice, where the links between the clouds are mostly fictional because they might go through a wholly different cloud, but it could be useful to consider them connected. And, most of all, uncontrollable and largely imaginary: most of the patterns reflect the mind of the observer, not reality.

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  36. what's wrong with tubes huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    virtual (and often physical) 'tubes' that data goes down - never had a problem with this personally. If we call them pipes does that sound better?

  37. Definition of the Internet by Kaizyn · · Score: 1

    That's easy, the Internet is an information superhighway!

  38. The Internet is Not Succinct by mfh · · Score: 1

    So why should the definition of it be so unparalleled?

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  39. Imagine a giant radish by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Imagine a giant radish, like a planet sized radish. Now imagine that there's a bunny hopping to the radish, and it takes a bite out of it. But the bunny spits out that bite and kind of smears it back in place on the radish with a paw. Then it rains.

    That's the internet.

  40. It's not something you just pump something through by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's... it's not a big tube.

    It's a serious of trucks.

  41. Oh, oh I know... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

    An electronic system designed by scientists to allow the world wide free exchange of information for the benefit of all mankind. Later to be subverted and controlled by corporate interests for the benefit of the wealthy.

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  42. Depends on the context by deblau · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Physical: The Internet is a collection of computers that send each other messages, along with the equipment that carries the messages. Social: The Internet is a virtual community where people can get together, do business, and share ideas and culture. Functional: The Internet is a way you can use computers to send family, friends, and co-workers letters, pictures, and movies. Technical: The Internet is a collection of computers following protocols conforming to the OSI model that enable computers to communicate with each other. ...

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    1. Re:Depends on the context by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      following protocols conforming to the OSI model

      The OSI model isn't that close to reality and isn't that well conformed to in the real world.

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    2. Re:Depends on the context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Biological: It's the preferred habitat of certain species of nerds, trolls an anonymous cowards.
      Practical: The intarweb is where you get your porn.
      Political: It's so scary we won't tell you until we've regulated the bejeesus out of it; The place where terrorists hide.

  43. Re:If you don't understand what the internet is by by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

    Don't taunt CrazyJim1. He invented every video game ever made before they were even made! He also invented a comic book where a guy has two katanas with rockets in the hilt. He holds a record for most wins in Starcraft also! (I know because it's on his resume.) You don't want to mess with CrazyJim1, man.

  44. Deconstruction by carpeweb · · Score: 1

    Didn't the term "internet" come from Inter-Network or Interconnected Network or something similar?

    I'm sorry; is "network" too technical for layperson comprehension? The word itself is not technical, even if the subject of computer networks is ...

    I don't think it was the word "tubes" that got "Interwebs Ted" into trouble. I've heard a lot of technical folks over the years describe bandwidth in terms like "pipes" to make an analogy with water flow. So, "tubes" is not so far off the mark. But, a network is not a series. That's not a technical distinction, and the context is what shows that Stevens is an idiot.

    If the problem is the word "network", then maybe I don't understand the term "layperson", and I'm actually the one in trouble here ...

  45. ObQuote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Because it has to be said:

    But what *IS* the internet?

    It's the largest equivalence class in the reflexive transitive symmetric closure of the relationship "can be reached by an IP packet from".
    --Seth Breidbart


  46. Network of Networks? by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

    I used to hear that expression all the time, never do anymore

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  47. Really simple... by forkazoo · · Score: 1

    I will assume that the person understands what a computer is. If not, you will need to explain that, which is not included in this explanation.

    A network is when a bunch of computers talk to each other. Like, when you have a bunch of computers in a computer lab classroom, and they are all plugged into each other so that you can work on a file on any of the computers.

    An internet is when you gang together a couple of networks so they talk to each other.

    The Internet is what you get when all the networks talk to each other.

    The particulars are largely unimportant, frankly. A basic definition doesn't need to go into the particulars of routing or TCP/IP or the difference between host and network byte order. It doesn't matter that some networks use ethernet and others use wireless and some used to use token ring. Just explain what a network is. Just a regular old LAN. Then, explain that you can get networks to talk to each other just like you can get computers to talk to each other, and that is an internet.

    Now, once you have the technical definition out of the way, you get to, "why gang a bunch of networks together?" Well, that's because it seemed like a good idea at the time.

    1. Re:Really simple... by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      the Grandma Tillie version

      lan = a bunch of computers in the same building all wired together
      Wlan = a bunch of computers in the same building with radios talking together
      wan (with no L) = a bunch of buildings all wired (or not) talking together
      Man = a city worth of buildings talking together (or what you call to get your computer back connected)
      FLAN = gotta good cookbook?

      the Internet would be a special version of a WAN (in this case World Area Network or would it be a FLAN?)

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    2. Re:Really simple... by damium · · Score: 1

      Don't forget VLAN = The LAN inside another LAN.

  48. What is the mat... I mean Internet.? by The13thSin · · Score: 1

    Internet is a gateway to information. A way to exchange ideas... all by typing and clicking on your computer. It's a way to communicate with people all around the world, to read different views on any subject you might be interested in... That, and porn & spam... but I'd keep the latter out, or else you might have to explain that as well...

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  49. It's a cloud, and other little cartoony things. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Funny

    Most of the internet is a fluffy cloud, with little lightning bolts connecting it to little brick walls with holes through them, behind which are lots of little white boxes with numbers. The rest of the internet is a series of PowerPoint slides labled "ROI" and "incredible growth" and "first mover."

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  50. World Wide Web by Uruviel · · Score: 1

    In both the physical and conceptual sense it's a mesh(/web). Physically it interconnects computers via wires in a web. Conceptually it connects ideas and information by use of hyperlinks(links for short) in a mesh. Both the conceptual and physical network are open, everyone can post ideas and links to ideas furthermore everyone can add computers to the web. It is interesting to note that the conceptual and physical internet are two separate things. There is no law binding the ideas in the internet (stored in, for example, html documents) to specific computers in the mesh. Nor is there a law stating that specific machines in the web should contain specific information. In a way the conceptual internet is distributed over the physical network the same way the pictures in a photo album are independent from the album itself.

  51. Webster is fine by John.P.Jones · · Score: 3, Informative

    Internet (noun): an electronic communications network that connects computer networks and organizational computer facilities around the world.

    I think this is a servicable, sucinct, definition. Of course, I would have split it in two as follows...

    Internet (proper noun): the global internetwork based on the Internet Protocol.
    internetwork (noun): an electronic communications network that connects computer networks and organizational computer facilities.

    but I'm a bit pedantic.

  52. It's a tough thing to describe because... by Rimbo · · Score: 1

    ...there really hasn't ever been anything like it before.

    Al Gore's "Information Superhighway" is a lot closer than the "series of tubes," although it's more like the transportation system of the entire world.

  53. Since I don't have mod points (and you don't need) by msimm · · Score: 1

    I just figured I chime in agreement. Tubes is simple and pretty convoluted. The description you've provided is succinct and provides enough building-block that a reasonable person could infer a number of complex uses based on this understanding. What am I supposed to do with pipes? (:

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  54. Internet [n.] by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 1

    A pornographic media delivery system with occasional alternative uses.

  55. I think... by Viceroy+Potatohead · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...that the Internet is a delivery system for eco-friendly porn (by lowering our consumption of glossy paper). That's why Al Gore invented it, right? To save the environment?

  56. The Internet... by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    The Internet is like the emptiness of a vessel; and in our
    employment of it we must be on our guard against all fullness. How
    deep and unfathomable it is, as if it were the Honoured Ancestor of
    all things! ...

    Then again, I may be confusing it with the Tao.

  57. You're all wrong by AbsoluteXyro · · Score: 1

    It was software; in cyberspace. There was no system core; it could not be shutdown. The attack began at 6:18 PM, just as he said it would...

  58. What a stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a stupid fucking slashdot article.

  59. Tubes. by iMySti · · Score: 1

    I was getting fond of the tubes description.

  60. here goes by akb · · Score: 1

    The Internet is a global collection of interconnected, independently operated data networks. Computers connected to different networks on the Internet communicate with each other through the use of Internet Protocol, which defines a common address space, and with the aid of the independent network operators agreeing to exchange their communications.

  61. Series of tubes is a good metaphor by alienmole · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know people joke about the series of tubes thing, but it seems to me that was the least wrong part of Stevens' totally confused statement.

    Politics aside, I don't really see the technical problem with comparing the Internet to a series of tubes. Tubes have a predictable bandwidth, i.e. you can only pump a certain amount of liquid or gas through them in a given time; and they have predictable latency, i.e. you push something in one end, it takes some time to come out the other end. So far, a lot like a network connection.

    What the "series of tubes" doesn't capture is the packetized nature of the internet, or the complexities of routing, and other such details. However, at the abstraction level at which Stevens was talking, I'm not sure any of that matters. If you're talking about things like "clogging up the Internet", it's true that that can happen, for the same reasons that tubes can get clogged: if you try to put too much stuff in, at too many entry points, your backbone tubes are going to become a bottleneck. So the metaphor holds up in this case, and predicts behavior that you can see on actual networks.

    The fact that the email problem Stevens was describing had nothing to do with Internet congestion is a separate issue, which doesn't actually detract from "series of tubes" as a metaphor for the Internet at a certain level of abstraction.

    I'd love to hear reasons why I'm wrong. Other than "Ignore the facts, we must excoriate politicians who are against network neutrality!" Ridiculing a perfectly good metaphor just because you don't agree with the guy using it is not the way to sensible public policy, although I admit it does seem to be how politics is often conducted.

    1. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by glittalogik · · Score: 2, Funny
      What the "series of tubes" doesn't capture is the packetized nature of the internet, or the complexities of routing, and other such details.

      A series of tubes with individual gerbils running through 'em?

    2. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A roadway is a much better analogy. It isn't perfect, but it at least captures the fundamental notion that you have lots of pieces of data trying to get from different point As to different point Bs across a common, shared network of paths. The word "congestion" also means the same thing on the 'net as it does on the beltway.

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    3. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by SunTzuWarmaster · · Score: 1

      He was partially right, the internet is not a big truck.

    4. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by Idbar · · Score: 1

      In fact, congestion control theory and protocol modeling widely uses the analogy to flows and pipes and most of the well known models of TCP are based on this behavior. So I couldn't agree more, now that I know several papers in the area describe the network as pipes.

    5. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by seaturnip · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So it's like an "information superhighway"!?

    6. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by krotkruton · · Score: 1

      I don't necessarily think you are wrong on any single point, but here's my semi-contradictory opinion on this matter.

      There is nothing wrong with comparing the internet to a series of tubes. In fact, many computer science textbooks use plumbing as an analogy for the internet, pipelining, and memory management among other things. I think he uproar came about because many people (including myself to some degree) thought that the Senator really thought the internet was some type of series of tubes. Now, I doubt he thinks that the internet is the same as pneumatic tubes, but I also don't think he understands how information travels over the internet and what congestion means.

      The internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's - it's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand those tubes can be filled, and if they're filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line, it's gonna be delayed by anyone who puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material. Now, we have a separate DOD network now, you know that, you know why? Because they have to have theirs delivered immediately and can't afford getting delayed by other people. (I copied that from the sound file on youtube around 9:00 in)

      His comments don't seem to be so confusing when you actually listen to them, but when you start to look at what he is actually saying it gets a little worse. First off, from what I've seen, most people tend to use only the line "The internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's - it's a series of tubes." That's fine because there are enough problems right there without getting into the other facts that he misunderstood. Again, I'll agree with you that the series of tubes metaphor is pretty good, but the big truck metaphor is pretty good too if it is taken in the sense of a highway system. If, on the other hand, he actually meant the internet is a single large truck on the road, then it makes no sense at all, so let's assume it's the highway idea. It's kinda like he's saying the sun isn't a burning ball of fire, it's an intensely bright globe. Either of those metaphors are fine by themselves, but together it sounds pretty stupid.

      Also, consider referring to the sun as a giant, floating, cheese pizza. I don't see anything wrong with that until you start talking about how if the pizza gets too hot, the cheese will burn. Now you've gone from a fairly decent metaphor to being an idiot who thinks the sun is made out of cheese and bread dough. I think that is what really bothered people about his comments. Yes, he used a fair metaphor, but then he elaborated on it and showed that he really didn't know what he was talking about. After hearing what he said, I questioned whether or not he envisioned a series of tubes carrying notes through the sewers, or something equally ridiculous.

    7. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by alienmole · · Score: 1

      I agree that a roadway is a good analogy, but both analogies have their pros and cons. For example, tubes may be a better analogy for communicating the nature of both a hard upper limit on bandwidth, as well as limits on latency, because cars behave much more autonomously and arbitrarily than packets, whereas liquid or gas flowing through a pipe is governed much more directly by physical laws.

    8. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by alienmole · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the uproar came about because many people (including myself to some degree) thought that the Senator really thought the internet was some type of series of tubes.
      I agree that this was what many people seem to think, but it's an error on their part which says more about the listener's assumptions or comprehension than about Stevens. Taken in context, it's quite clear that Stevens was intentionally using a metaphor. If anything, the fact that his language didn't explicitly say so (e.g. by using the word "like"), implies that he felt that the metaphorical nature of his statements were obvious and didn't need to be belabored. On this point, the facts compel me to rule in favor of Stevens.

      His comments don't seem to be so confusing when you actually listen to them
      Quite so. Yet many people jumped on him for the comments mainly because they saw someone else do it, on a blog or on TV. The criticism ended being a social thing, with the factual basis lost, to the point where people who ought to know better technically are ridiculing "series of tubes" as though it somehow has no merit.

      but when you start to look at what he is actually saying it gets a little worse
      Keep in mind that this was an unscripted statement in a bill markup discussion. Googling just now, I found that Ed Felten agrees with me:

      I'll grant that Stevens sounds pretty confused on the recording. But's let's give the guy a break. He was speaking off the cuff in a meeting, and he sounds a bit agitated. Have you ever listened to a recording of yourself speaking in an unscripted setting? For most people, it's pretty depressing. We misspeak, drop words, repeat phrases, and mangle sentences all the time. Normally, listeners' brains edit out the errors.

      In this light, some of the ridicule of Stevens seems a bit unfair. He said the Internet is made up of "tubes". Taken literally, that's crazy. But experts talk about "pipes" all the time. Is the gap between "tubes" and "pipes" really so large? And when Stevens says that his staff sent him "an Internet" and it took several days to arrive, it sounds to me like he meant to say "an email" and just misspoke.

      Felten goes on to try to interpret what Stevens was saying. I think he summarizes the whole thing well with this:

      Why then the shock and ridicule from the Internet public? Partly because the recording was a perfect seed for a Net ridicule meme.
      The problem is, picking on "series of tubes" specifically to ridicule ends up exposing a lack of knowledge or understanding in the person or group doing the ridiculing, and they start to appear irrational. This is a particular problem if they're using the ridicule to try to push a political agenda, like net neutrality. Who should we believe or trust - the guy who used a basically appropriate metaphor for the purpose, even if he was confused in other ways, or the people who are claiming counterfactually that the metaphor was wrong, for reasons that can only be guessed at? Incompetence is the most charitable explanation for the latter group, since otherwise the implication is that they're deliberately obfuscating the truth to undercut an opponent.
    9. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by krotkruton · · Score: 1

      From your original post: I'd love to hear reasons why I'm wrong. Other than "Ignore the facts, we must excoriate politicians who are against network neutrality!" Ridiculing a perfectly good metaphor just because you don't agree with the guy using it is not the way to sensible public policy, although I admit it does seem to be how politics is often conducted.

      From the last post: Who should we believe or trust - the guy who used a basically appropriate metaphor for the purpose, even if he was confused in other ways, or the people who are claiming counterfactually that the metaphor was wrong, for reasons that can only be guessed at?

      That's a little hypocritical there, and the "who should we believe" question is painfully one-side.

      But anyway, I really don't think that most people really believe that the "series of tubes" metaphor isn't any good. I think they tend to believe that Stevens doens't know how the internet works, so they make fun of him for calling it a series of tubes. Yes, it's kinda childish to make fun of someone for a slip, but that's life. Is it unfair? I guess so, but maybe not.

      I agree that this was what many people seem to think, but it's an error on their part which says more about the listener's assumptions or comprehension than about Stevens. Taken in context, it's quite clear that Stevens was intentionally using a metaphor. If anything, the fact that his language didn't explicitly say so (e.g. by using the word "like"), implies that he felt that the metaphorical nature of his statements were obvious and didn't need to be belabored.

      I agree with you that it is clear the he was using a metaphor, as I said in my other post. I also pointed out that, taken in context, he also says that "the internet is not a big truck", which is a metaphor as well, albeit an anti-metaphor (I obviously made that up, but I think you get my meaning). I may be the only one to feel this way, but I think he's wrong and that a truck is a pretty good metaphor for how information is sent over the internet. Putting that together with the series of tubes comment makes it hard to know what he really thinks. Now, I'm not saying I know what he thinks, I'm just saying that it isn't clear whether or not he knows what he's talking about when it comes to the internet, and that I think he probably doesn't have a great a grasp of things. You had just claimed that you know what he was thinking and feeling at the time he said this, which I find to be a bit of a stretch. You are obviously entitled to your own opinions, but I think that his intentions and motivations were anything but clear. You're right that the opinion "says more about the listener's assumptions or comprehension than about Stevens," but which one of us does it say more about? (Seriously, I don't know. That's not supposed to be a rhetorical poke at you). As for the Felton quotes, I'd comment on that but I think you used his quote to draw a political conclusion that he had not intended, so I'm going to leave that alone. From the whole audio file of Stevens's comments, it's pretty apparent that his attackers aren't the only ones who are deliberately obfuscating the truth, if in fact that is his attackers' intentions.

    10. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ah, a roadway!", thinks the Senator. "We can still tax the shit out of it!"

    11. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

      I agree that a tubes analogy is actually a good one. Out of the mouths of babes... and sometimes politicians...

      Most of us who are fifty or over— and who also have some say in making laws, rules, and policies— have memories of seeing pneumatic message tubes in use. It is easy to make the leap from the physical packets of pneumatic tube capsules to the digital packets of the Internet protocols. Routing, switching, temporary storage areas, and so on are also well supported by this imagery. This is, in fact, what came to mind when I first heard about the Esteemed Senator's analogy. (It was only later when I read his actual words that I experienced a laugh or cry moment— I chose to laugh.)

      Those too young to have memories of pneumatic tube messaging systems generally fall into two groups: those who already have an innate concept of what the Internet is and its limitations and promises; and those who refuse to know and don't care. The latter group has very little impact on formulating today's policies, rules, and laws, and will have even less impact tomorrow. That they might not understand references to pneumatic tube messaging systems doesn't matter so much since they have opted out.

    12. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by alienmole · · Score: 1

      That's a little hypocritical there, and the "who should we believe" question is painfully one-side.

      I don't know what you mean about hypocrisy. I agree about the one-sidedness, but that's because I was talking about the specific words on either side in this case, not any larger picture. I'm not suggesting Stevens is above influence or isn't just saying whatever his sponsors have told him to say. But I'm saying that the "series of tubes" criticism is a poor way to attack him, because it undermines the credibility of the people doing the criticizing.

      I'm liberal and/or libertarian (the sane kind ;) on many issues, but my allegiance to truth and accuracy is stronger than my allegiance to any political position. I'm not willing to suspend rationality in order to achieve my political goals, and a mob attack on someone that doesn't have a strong basis in fact is disturbing to me. It's a step down the same slippery slope near the bottom of which lie the Swift boat attacks on Kerry.

      You had just claimed that you know what he was thinking and feeling at the time he said this, which I find to be a bit of a stretch.

      All I'm claiming to know is (a) that it was clear that he was using a metaphor, and following from that, (b) by implication of the language he used, he assumed that it would be clear that he was using a metaphor. I can't tell what else he does or doesn't know about the Internet. He's clearly no expert, and he may very well not be a good person to be involved with legislation in that area, but in that case his positions need to be criticized more substantively.

      From the whole audio file of Stevens's comments, it's pretty apparent that his attackers aren't the only ones who are deliberately obfuscating the truth, if in fact that is his attackers' intentions.

      Agreed. But when faced with obfuscation from an opponent, the best defense is to make the truth known, unless the truth doesn't support what you're trying to achieve.

    13. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by necro81 · · Score: 1

      People of Ted Stevens age might actually find the "series of tubes" analogy to be apt if they think of the Internet like a pneumatic tube system. They aren't used much anymore in most businesses, although many hospitals still use them to transport tissue and blood across campuses. Tube systems used to be indispensible in the first half of the last century. The tubes, like the phone system of the same time, had the same architecture: a system to route information from one point to another through one or several centralized switchboards. The routing was usually done by hand and not silicon, but it's the same structure. The pneumatic tube system was even packet-based ... with headers!

      Though, as you say, even if this analogy was the least-incorrect thing he said that day, he still made quite an ass of himself when you read the entire transcript.

    14. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by whterbt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Saw this a long time ago, still appropriate today.

      Think of the Internet as a highway

      There it is again. Some clueless fool talking about the "Information Superhighway". They don't know didley about the Net. It's nothing like a superhighway. That's a rotten metaphor.

      Suppose the metaphor ran in the other direction. Suppose the highways were like the net...

      A highway hundreds of lanes wide. Most with pitfalls for potholes. Privately operated bridges and overpasses. No highway patrol. A couple of rent-a-cops on bicycles with broken whistles. 500 member vigilante posses with nuclear weapons. A minimum of 237 on ramps at every intersection.

      No signs. Wanna get to Ensenada? Holler out the window at a passing truck to ask directions.

      Ad hoc traffic laws. Some lanes would vote to make use by a single-occupant-vehicle a capital offense on Monday through Friday between 7:00 and 9:00. Other lanes would just shoot you without a trial for talking on a car phone.

      AOL would be a giant diesel-smoking bus with hundreds of ebola victims on board throwing dead wombats and rotten cabbage at the other cars, most of which have been assembled at home from kits. Some are built around 2.5 horsepower lawn mower engines with a top speed of nine miles an hour. Others burn nitroglycerin and idle at 120.

      No license plates. World War II bomber nose art instead. Terrifying paintings of huge teeth or vampire eagles. Bumper mounted machine guns. Flip somebody the finger on this highway and get a white phosphorus grenade up your tailpipe. Flatbed trucks cruise around with anti-aircraft missile batteries to shoot down the traffic helicopter. Little kids on tricycles with squirt guns filled with hydrochloric acid switch lanes without warning.

      NO OFFRAMPS. None.

      Now that's the way to run an Interstate Highway system.

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    15. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by krotkruton · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you mean about hypocrisy....
      My fault, I didn't copy the whole second quote that I wanted. I was trying to point out that in your first post you basically said you didn't want responses that were based on a dislike for some political position, but in the second post you seemed to use politics to support your ideas. Regardless, that really isn't important.

      I'm gonna pick at the "claiming to know what he thinks" part one more time. ...by implication of the language he used, he assumed that it would be clear that he was using a metaphor... To me, that's saying that you know what he was thinking. However, this also really isn't important.

      Looking at this as a whole, I feel I have many of the same views as you do, but I fundamentaly disagree with your interpretation of the Senator's comments. Initially, I was trying to provide some insight into why all of this became an issue. I honestly think that most of the people who are ridiculing him are somewhat justified, although it has gone a bit overboard. Besides that, I think we agree on most of the points. This is one of those cases where it just isn't possible to reach an agreeement, even though it seems like we are two reasonable people with similar views. Good discussion though.
    16. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      In pipeline operations often a line pig is used to separate different flowing fluids. Disclaimer: I am a piping designer.

    17. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And that's why we love it! Internet, home of the normality challenged now and forever.

    18. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by YodaYid · · Score: 1

      No - it's a series of information superhighways :-)
      Well actually, it's more like the road system in its entirety. There are superhighways and there are dirt roads, and there's everything in between. Each road has its own capacity and maximum speed, and the time it takes to complete a trip from point A to point B is affected by each leg of the trip. The "last mile" is the local road where a person's house is actually located, and tends to be much slower than the highways leading to the person's neighborhood.

    19. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by jibjibjib · · Score: 1

      ... Wow. That is probably the best post I've ever read on slashdot.

    20. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      Kinda sounds like a Gorillaz video

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    21. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by alphamugwump · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And elderly grandmothers drive trucks loaded chock full of hookers and viagra. Without knowing it.

    22. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You qualify for a cookie. Feel free to drop by and pick it up.

    23. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by aurispector · · Score: 1

      "Series of tubes" isn't the worst way to describe it. My impression was that he was speaking somewhat off-the-cuff and was trying to make a specific point-the tubes can get "clogged".

      He was a layman speaking to laymen-what do you expect? I don't know of any politicians with prior IT experience-they use a different side of the brain.

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    24. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, would like to welcome our new metallic, diesel-fueled, ebola-infested, trash-and-carrion-hurling overlords.

    25. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by raddan · · Score: 1

      Yes, but how on earth can you surf an "information superhighway"? Is it made out of water? I'm so confused.

    26. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I would propose "transportation system," including trains on railways, ships on water, aircraft in air, autos & trucks on roads, etc. since that demonstrates a wide variety of means of moving something from here to there. Or maybe FedEx/UPS/etc, where your packet could be moved via truck, airplane, ship, etc., and all you care about is that it arrives within a certain time frame, the cost, and that it arrives intact.

    27. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by Caiwyn · · Score: 1

      Wish I could mod parent up higher than 5... right on.

      Don't forget that anyone who has referred to their internet connection as "a ten-meg pipe" or the like has made the exact same comparison. Your friendly neighborhood I.T. professional has been using the "series of tubes" metaphor for far longer than Stevens.

    28. Re:Series of tubes is a good metaphor by FunkyChild · · Score: 1

      Again, I'll agree with you that the series of tubes metaphor is pretty good, but the big truck metaphor is pretty good too if it is taken in the sense of a highway system. If, on the other hand, he actually meant the internet is a single large truck on the road, then it makes no sense at all, so let's assume it's the highway idea. I think he is referring to a single large truck, and I think it kinda works, here's why: He's trying to explain that the data travels sequentially, one (packet?) after the other. A tube is a good example for this, since if you put something (a packet) in a tube, you need to put another one in after it to push it along. You keep pushing more and more, one at a time, and eventually they start spilling out at the end.

      I interpret the truck to be representing something unlike a tube, in which you can just dump a whole heap of stuff, and it all arrives at the same time when it gets to its destination. This is different to a tube, in which you have to wait for other things come out first before you can get yours, and which can get congested. The inside of a truck doesn't really get congested, and you can just take out whichever packet you want, without worrying about the others.
  62. Definition by analogy by Ayanami_Rei_II · · Score: 1

    Computers are to the Internet as people are to society.

  63. Ah, that's an easy one. by Onan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A friend of mine managed to cover this in four words over a decade ago:

    "Many computers--all friends."

    1. Re:Ah, that's an easy one. by damium · · Score: 1

      Many (or one pretending to be many) computers (or things pretending to be computers), all friends (or pretending to be friends).

  64. When in doubt, ask the inventor... by Vexler · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... but you may find it an inconvenient truth.

  65. My personal playground by amyhughes · · Score: 1

    It's my personal playground. Now get the hell off my lawn.

  66. Easy by buss_error · · Score: 1
    The internet is a cooperating network of networks.


    The several networks cooperate by using a defined standard of communication "rules", called "RFCs", by providing selected services such as web servers, email servers, DNS systems, and other systems to the general public, and some provide more services to their customers/users.

    There's the 10,000 foot over view.

    --
    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
  67. Al Gore's by inKubus · · Score: 0, Troll

    What about:

    "A network of computer networks invented by Al Gore."

    --
    Cool! Amazing Toys.
  68. Picture the internet by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1

    Analogies are like fire, wonderfully useful but with a lot of potential for danger.
    (meta usage intended) With that in mind...

    Picture the internet as a vast ever changing network of many many spiderwebs all interwoven together. These spiderwebs were spun in many shapes and sizes and thicknesses by many different kinds of spiders who decided to cooperate. But, instead of catching bugs with this giant ever-evolving spiderweb, the spiders pass data through its strands to each other. Accordingly, scattered everywhere throughout this megaweb are devices that tap into the strands and pull out the data and in some way make the data useful to the spiders. More and more spiders are now carrying small portable devices that can tap into the web strands wherever they go on this giant heterogeneous megaweb. The data could be a catalog of things for sale, it could be data that is reassembled into voices for talking, or it could be pictures of the spiders doing gross things in their bathrooms. Picture some of these interconnected webs being electronic in nature like telephone lines, some are fiber-optic, and some you can't see at all, they're just made of radio waves. Now you have a basic understanding of the internet.

    Elementary - check, layperson - check, succinct - hmmmm... I'm sure somebody could shorten it and not lose much.

    --

    Operator, give me the number for 911!
  69. Internet is Information by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    The Internet is a forum, the media and the message, it is a library and a circus, it is news and entertainment, it is games and pirates and all kinds of information and software communicating.

    The Internet is people and programs sending and receiving information to each other via computers and networks.

    I don't see how you need to say anything more than that to laypeople of the kind that you describe, whose eyes glaze over when talking about technical details. Do not talk about how the internet works, just say what it is.

  70. Oldie but goodie by Enry · · Score: 1

    Fortunately I haven't had to describe the Internet to anyone in a long long time.

    Information superhighway (or just comparing to the US road system) is pretty good:

    You start with the major highways, which get progressively smaller and smaller as you get to state then town roads, then someone's house (their PC). Different kinds of traffic can flow on those roads at the same time - trucks, cars, minivans, etc. Some areas you can't easily get into or are limited (gated communities, private property, etc.).

    1. Re:Oldie but goodie by johnkzin · · Score: 1

      I was just about the say the same thing:

      Al Gore (referenced in the post you were replying to) already gave us the layman's description of the internet, 15 years ago (during the 1992 election):

      The Information Superhighway.

      It's not perfect, but it works.

    2. Re:Oldie but goodie by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      >It's not perfect, but it works.

      It's a lot better analogy than I realized at the time. The road network is packetized, routed, and with redundant links. Every connection is point-to-point except for neighborhood streets which are like lans.

      With this in mind you can start to understand why Robert Moses ("The Power Broker", 1974) was obsessed with road-building. There was legal power and money (he actually wrote his own state laws) but he was hooked on an engineering level too.

  71. The Internet does *not* interconnect computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Internet, strictly speaking, is a network of LANs. Just because your LAN is a CIDR/32 don't let that confuse you.

    1. Re:The Internet does *not* interconnect computers by grolschie · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The internet is a crapload of computers and computer devices all networked together. Internet != WWW. Internet != Usenet. Internet != USA. Sorry, couldn't resist that last one. :-)

  72. Bus Station Newstand by microcars · · Score: 1
    its like a big Newstand.

    a really really big one. With Vending Machines.

    And it is in the middle of a Bus Station.

    --
    I like microcars
  73. it's kinda like Mos Eisley by BigBadPete · · Score: 1

    You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

  74. A collection by llZENll · · Score: 1

    A collection of devices to allow communication in many forms such as text, sound, and video.

  75. The Internet is like Air... by craznar · · Score: 1

    ... but with holes in it.

    Yell - and everyone hears you, but they soon ignore you

    Whisper - and a few people hear you.

    Governments would like to control it - but can't.

    And best of all - when you fart in an elevator you can blame it on other people.

    --
    EMail: 0110001101100010010000000110001101110010 0110000101111010011011100110000101110010 0010111001100011011011110110
  76. Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internet: A worldwide network of computers and people.

  77. Here's my attempt: by roamingapril · · Score: 1

    The internet is a world-wide network of computers, all connected together. Some computers on the internet (called "servers") send webpages, video, and other data to computers on the internet that have requested the data.

  78. I think you're missing the point by mo · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the phrase "a series of tubes" is mostly accurate, but it's not the reason people laughed, it's just a good summary.
    Go listen to Stephens' speech again.
    It's clear he's (badly) regurgitating some laymens terms that have been fed to him by god-knows what lobbyist.
    Furthermore, this isn't my grandpa we're talking about, this is one of the most powerful people in the country responsible for legislation governing the internet.
    The "series of tubes" phrase might be a reasonable thing you'd say to your grandpa to describe the internet. However, if he then positioned himself as an authority on the internet in front of the country's leaders, that would be funny.

  79. infrastructure for transmission of information by B0bReader · · Score: 1

    The internet a world-wide infrastructure through which various kinds computers of can send and receive information.

    1. Re:infrastructure for transmission of information by B0bReader · · Score: 1

      Hardly even correct English - try this: The internet is a world-wide infrastructure through which various kinds computers can send and receive information.

  80. "series of tubes" by LouTheTroll · · Score: 1

    "series of tubes".... it's all well and fine until those pesky politicians subpoena my "named" pipes...

  81. Wrong question by graphicsguy · · Score: 1

    You're starting with the wrong question. The first question to ask and answer is, "what things would you like the layperson to understand about the internet?" THEN you can figure out an easy-to-understand way to describe the internet.

  82. Answer is in the post... by Revvy · · Score: 1

    In the google link of the original post is the perfect answer:

    A global network connecting millions of computers.

    Can we have more interesting topics for Ask Slashdot, now? Please?

  83. No it's not. How do you think the web was born? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    Internet is for porn.

  84. The Internet is actually by fishthegeek · · Score: 1

    a series of breasts. Some of the breasts are A cups. These sites don't get as many subscriptions as some of the larger hmmmmm firmer B and C cup sites. The D cup sites are specialty sites, large, soft, supple specialty sites. Some of the old D cup sites have been sagging lately because they are getting old and in need of silicon help. There are other sites that are even Pre-A cup sites but they are illegal just about everywhere. Lastly there are NO cup sites. These sites are generally for people who install track lighting at home and listen to Judy Garland albums in silk pajamas that match the wall paper.

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  85. Penthouse by flanksteak · · Score: 1

    The internet is the largest issue of Penthouse magazine you ever saw...

  86. My definition by petrus4 · · Score: 1

    I honestly think of it as a gigantic distributed brain, and if you think about the topology, that makes sense. To me, it's a step closer towards the Borg's type of hive mind...but when you take away authority issues, that doesn't have to automatically be a bad thing.

    I also think of it to a degree as an acorporeal reality; a mechanistic reproduction of astral space. I think both definitions describe different elements of it; the first the knowledge part, and the second the communication part.

    Either way, I love the net myself...it's my own native element the same way a fish's is water. Before my current relationship, it was the proverbial mother, brother, sister, lover, and it still is to a limited degree. It provides me with everything I could want or need short of food. It's my home.

    1. Re:My definition by corbettw · · Score: 1

      Communication is one part of it, but you couldn't you extend that analogy and say that the Internet is the collection of all public knowledge to date, as well as the means to share and expand on that knowledge.

      --
      God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
    2. Re:My definition by alphamugwump · · Score: 1

      *sigh*

      I wish the frigging singularity would hurry up and happen. I'm sick of having to eat and sleep.

    3. Re:My definition by Moofie · · Score: 1

      ...which are all forms of communication.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    4. Re:My definition by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      "the Internet is the collection of all public knowledge to date"

      If the Internet had no connected knowledge, it still would be the internet. It was the internet before all that knowledge was available, it is the internet after.

      What you described is a BENEFIT of that communication system. What you described (bad car analogy coming), is like someone saying the purpose of a Corvette is to get you laid by a hottie, when that is nothing more than a side benefit of the Corvette. The purpose of the Corvette is to get you from point A to point B.

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    5. Re:My definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the problem with people who have some idea of what they are talking about trying to put it in layman's terms. You get murky, catch-all, meaningless phrases like "collection of independent communication networks" and "collaborative connection agreements". This is too sophisticated. This is why "series of tubes" is actually not a bad explanation.

      The best way to describe something to someone who has no point of reference is to give them one by using an analogy, not simply stating what it is in terms of itself.

      Rather than asking for a definition, can anyone come up with a better, more clear, analogy? And it's worth noting that "tubes" is pretty good since college networking courses can often be found comparing data flow networks to liquid flow networks.

  87. No it's not. How do you think the web was born? by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Funny

    Internet is for porn - there, fixed for you.

  88. Less of an array, more of a n-ary linked list but. by Egnever · · Score: 5, Funny

    So the internet like a hookah through which you can smoke data from all over the planet man. That's totally far out.

  89. In context, Ted was nuts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > I don't know why people got on his case about it.

    Because of the rest of the description wherein he believed that other people downloading movies somewhere were clogging the pipes and kept his "internet" (email) from arriving on time. If you watch it in context, it's clear that he doesn't know how the internet works. As far as anyone can tell, he believed the pipes are, well, literal pipes with "internets" flowing through them. Did you ever see the full speech? Only the first line gets widely quoted any more, but the Daily Show showed the whole thing. It was ridiculous.

    Anyhow, the most succinct definition of "internet" I can give you is just one word: here.

    Or if you need something with more technical accuracy, it's the giant network computers get connected to because almost everyone else is also connected to it. All the internet providers link to other providers, who eventually link with everyone else, because there's not much value in having a network isolated from the rest of the world in most cases.

    1. Re:In context, Ted was nuts. by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 1

      Because of the rest of the description wherein he believed that other people downloading movies somewhere were clogging the pipes and kept his "internet" (email) from arriving on time.

      But this is not a problem with the metaphor itself; it's a problem with his argument, which abused the metaphor in a subtle, technical way he did not understand. The thing GP is getting at is that the guy's abuse of the metaphor is being spun as a choice of an intrinsically bad metaphor.

      If some of the people using a tube for sending stuff increase the volume that they send through it, the level of service will decrease for other users; the capacity of the tube is finite. The guy's error is on the details of how the service deteriorates. In the case of a water utility, presumably, too many users means that you either get a decrease in pressure for each user on average, or you run out of water supply quickly (which of course, itself leads to a water pressure of 0). In the case of the internet, more traffic means a decrease in the bandwidth or latency that individual users get on average. He clearly doesn't understand those concepts, and he clearly doesn't understand that their impact on email delivery speed is very small compared to the scale he put it at.

    2. Re:In context, Ted was nuts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > But this is not a problem with the metaphor itself; it's a problem with his argument, which abused the metaphor in a subtle, technical way he did not understand.

      Yes, but "series of tubes" is a shorthand for the entire speech. It's not the most ridiculous part, just one of the first (and most memorable) lines.

      So no, I don't have a problem with the metaphor, but I hope you'll understand if I reference the entire speech by the part of it that is best remembered.

      I mean, when people tag this story, I fear that it's most likely to be tagged "seriesoftubes" rather than "notabigtruck" or one of the few other quotable lines ...

    3. Re:In context, Ted was nuts. by Phanatic1a · · Score: 1

      Because of the rest of the description wherein he believed that other people downloading movies somewhere were clogging the pipes and kept his "internet" (email) from arriving on time

      Again, I'm not seeing the problem with that. Set eMule or Azureus to its maximum UL/DL rates, start downloading a bunch of movies, and then see how quickly you can use the web when your connection is already maxed up.

      My senior year at school, there were major problems with Napster bringing the school's internet connection to its knees. 2000 students, 95% of whom would go home on the weekends and leave Napster running. Problem wasn't those 2000 downloading from the wider internet, it was other people downloading from them. This was more than enough to predictably and regularly bring the school's single T1 to ridiculous levels of packet loss and latency. My roommates were all CS majors, and they could show you maps showing which local links on the LAN were completely saturated, and those were the ones tying in, the large residence hall with most of the students in it. You could see the Napster traffic on 6699, and you could see it go away when we rebooted that hall's router and caused all the connections to time out. Okay, instead of downloading movies, they were uploading music, but the principle's still the same: too much stuff being transfered, not enough bandwidth for it all to fit, other services (like email and Diablo 2) being slowed down to the point of unusability. Sounds exactly like what Stevens was talking about, even though his *specific example* was fundamentally flawed.

      There are far worse metaphors to describe that than the one Stevens used. I've heard geek after geek refer to a nice connection as a "fat pipe." Pipe, tube, not a lot of difference there.

    4. Re:In context, Ted was nuts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Again, I'm not seeing the problem with that. Set eMule or Azureus to its maximum UL/DL rates, start downloading a bunch of movies, and then see how quickly you can use the web when your connection is already maxed up.

      Right, but he thought *other* people, not using his connection, were causing the problems. Not because he'd maxed out his own connection, but because hypothetical people somewhere were downloading. That's nowhere near the same thing. I'm pretty sure he doesn't allow his staff to download movies and such.

      Anyhow, because I sincerely doubt his connection was pegged, someone downloading movies elsewhere was not the reason why his email was delayed. You're trying to make what he said make sense. It could have, had he known what he was talking about, but it was very, very clear that he didn't. You can harmonize it with what you know about the internet, but you have nothing to show that Ted knows any of that.

      So I'll stick by my original conclusion: in context, Ted was nuts.

  90. Its so easy! by Shados · · Score: 1

    Simple, and anyone can understand it this way: The internet is what you get when you put as much porn as possible in one easy to access package.

  91. How about... by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

    I think that there are certain words we can get away with using that a lot of people are trying to avoid, like "network." Network is a layman's term; television network, telephone network, etc. Don't be afraid.

    The internet is an information network, allowing people to exchange documents, messages, pictures, video and audio with anybody in the world. All you need to participate is a computer and a connection.

    Does that work for you? Any explanation after that assumes that the person you're talking to starts asking questions; this should work for a start. If they don't care, then you haven't wasted too much time or energy, either.

    --
    "Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
  92. Physically, the internet is by Anomolous+Cowturd · · Score: 1

    A planet-spanning ad-hoc network of devices communicating via the internet protocol.

    --
    Software patents delenda est.
  93. internet == internetwork by JusticeISaid · · Score: 1

    The word "internet" (lower case) is a shortened form of the more formal term "internetwork." An internetwork is an über network of interconnected networks that utilize the same communication protocol. The Internet (upper case) is the worldwide public internet. Many organizations connect their computers to a private internet. Most organizations are connected to each other through the public Internet.

  94. The Internet ... by instagib · · Score: 1

    ... is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. Unfortunately, no one can be told what The Internet is. You have to see it for yourself.

  95. The Internet is more than The World Wide Web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The Internet is a set of sophisticated protocols and connections allowing any 'connected' computer or appliance to communicate.

    The World Wide Web (Web) is an array of services available on the Internet, allowing individuals, groups, corporations and governments to read, publish, buy or sell - to or from - broad or narrow audiences.

    But the Internet is more than just the Web - it allows a wide array of services and products to communicate, from email to machine to machine reporting and control, to new forms of telephony and new kinds of software that 'feels local', but isn't. The only constant of the Internet is change, and the largest threats to the Internet are from entities that want to slow or halt progress or the free exchange of ideas.

    You know. The establishment. Entrenched power, whether religious, political or corporate.

    The Internet represents change, for good or ill.

    1. Re:The Internet is more than The World Wide Web by ph4s3 · · Score: 1

      I vote for the above definition.

  96. Unfortunately, by Ravear · · Score: 0

    No one can be told what the Internet is. You have to see it for yourself.

    [/morpheus]

  97. when someone is asking me about internet... by w3c.org · · Score: 1

    I just answer that it's a network of network. Everybody knows a network, like a social network, etc. and everybody do understand what could be a network of network. Ok, that didn't include the downsides, like spam, ads, pirates, or whatever.

  98. "All friends?" by lennier · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And that's why we still have spam, because SMTP thinks all computers are our friends.

    --
    You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
    1. Re:"All friends?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. We still have spam because bootloads of fuckwads buy shit. Technological measures will never solve a social problem.

    2. Re:"All friends?" by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      no we have spam because there is little in the way of consequences for those whoose computers are used to send it. At worst they get put on a blocklist that means they have to move to another IP. At best they don't have any noticable consequences at all because the spam is sent out in a different way to thier regular mail and there is not enough traffic to noticablly impact thier bandwidth.

      imagine someone started using your credit card to pay to send out thier physical junk mail, you'd and your credit card company would be trying to stop them pretty damn quick. OTOH if someone uses your computer to send spam you probablly won't notice until someone complains and possiblly not even then.

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  99. The Internet is like the road/highway system by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Individual computers are buildings -- homes, business, etc. The roads connecting those buildings are the wires and cables that carry data around the Internet. Each building (computer) knows how to directly communicate with some or all of its neighbors (you can walk next door) but data needs to travel on the roads to communicate with more distant buildings (computers).

    There are lots of different types of vehicles (protocols) that are used to send data along the Internet -- regular cars (HTTP), buses (FTP), trucks (other protocols), etc. Often computers will send data piecemeal in multiple vehicles. These vehicles often need to get directions (routing) at various buildings (computers) to reach their destinations. When one road is blocked (network downtime) the vehicles with the data can find their way along other routes to reach their destinations, or the source of the data will write the stuck vehicle(s) as lost and resend them on new vehicles.

  100. Fire bucket brigade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having worked in networking for over 20 years, I have always liked the fire bucket brigade analogy. There are many parts that must work in harmony to get the job done. Some have the boring task of just handing the bucket to the next one in line, but without them, the connection is broken. Also, the buckets can be any shape or size, as long as they have a sturdy handle and don't leak.

    1. Re:Fire bucket brigade by Eideewt · · Score: 1

      The problem with this is that it implies fitness for a particular purpose, and, worse, that the Internet is a linear construction rather than a web. I like to think of passing notes around a classroom or something.

  101. The Internet isn't a thing. It's an agreement. by weston · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I've always been partial to statement #2 from the Searls & Weinberger piece World of Ends:

    When we look at utility poles, we see networks as wires. And we see those wires as parts of systems: The phone system, the electric power system, the cable TV system.

    When we listen to radio or watch TV, we're told during every break that networks are sources of programming being beamed through the air or through cables.

    But the Internet is different. It isn't wiring. It isn't a system. And it isn't a source of programming.

    The Internet is a way for all the things that call themselves networks to coexist and work together. It's an inter-network. Literally.

    What makes the Net inter is the fact that it's just a protocol -- the Internet Protocol, to be exact. A protocol is an agreement about how things work together.

    This protocol doesn't specify what people can do with the network, what they can build on its edges, what they can say, who gets to talk. The protocol simply says: If you want to swap bits with others, here's how. If you want to put a computer -- or a cell phone or a refrigerator -- on the network, you have to agree to the agreement that is the Internet.


    The Internet is no single piece of technology. It is an agreement about how to have different networks and technologies talk to each other and work together.

    It's a bit heady, maybe even a bit airy-fairy, but the essay captures some of the essence of why the Internet is different and proves to be so valuable.

    I also think it's a good lead in for discussing why net neutrality is essential. A non-neutral policy essentially throws away the agreement, likely fracturing the network into pieces between which there'd be ongoing maybe-we'll-talk-maybe-we-won't negotiations. Pieces get balkanized, even walled off, and resources that used to go to developing services that anyone who was part of the agreement could use now have to be devoted to the negotiation.

    With the Internet agreement, you don't have to concentrate on that. Just follow the guidelines on how to talk to one edge of the net, and you can talk to the whole world. That's the revolution.
  102. My version.. by BigZaphod · · Score: 1

    The Internet is telephone for computers.

    That works pretty well. If people get confused about Wifi, sometimes I might suggest it is like cellphones for computers. :-)

  103. That's cause IT IS like the mail system by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IN fact that's where the terminology game from. Why do you think a bunch of data is called a packet? Its cause packets are what you send through the mail, at least in the 50's thats what they were called (nowadays everyting is a "package" but that's more because the term "packet" is now more widely used electronically.

    If you want to explain the internet to people, use the analogies that the original terms were modeled after!

    Server - A server is like a waiter or customer service person. You ask it for something and get get sir for you. The ony difference is the server is a computer that is handling the requests.

    Client - A client is like a patron or business client; he is the person asking the server for things. In the case of the internet the client is another computer, who is asking the server for something.

    Packet - A bundle of information, with an address, that needs to be delivered. The packet could be going from the client to the server, in which case it is how the client is asking the server for something. If it is going from the server to the client, it is the information the server asked for.

    Server, Client, Packet. Three simple words any layperson SHOULD ALREADY KNOW. It's not really hard to explain.

  104. Peer to Peer by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

    It's a massive peer-to-peer collection of interconnected computers storing and sharing various bits of data among the whole.

    --
    "Enjoy what you're doing! If it becomes drudgery, you're doing it wrong!" - Jim Butterfield
  105. Decentralized world-wide porn distribution network by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 1

    nuf said.

  106. Just like the telephone network by n6kuy · · Score: 1

    The Internet is just like the global telephone network, except that instead of you talking into your telephone, your computer screams funny noises into its communication line (which can be your phone line!).

    --
    If you disagree with me on social issues, then it's pretty clear that you are a narrow-minded bigot.
  107. A picture is worth a thousand words by Frenchy_2001 · · Score: 1

    And a movie can be even better.
    A big company wanted its people to understand Internet and asked a video to be created for that purpose.
    That video is accessible here:
    http://www.warriorsofthe.net/

    This is at the same time entertaining and quite educative, although slightly dated.
    Show this to people instead of trying to express concepts with words.
    Highly recommended.

  108. Internet: - Very simple definition by Pachilles · · Score: 1

    It's a constantly changing electronic version of a huge department store full of magazines. Throw in one and two-way video and cell phones, and the description is complete.

    Magazines are websites. Every imaginable subject, from National Geographic and Scientific American, to porn.
    The advertising inserts are pop-ups.
    All magazines carry a ton of advertising, same as the internet.
    Obviously, usage of video, and communication is TVs and two-way video.
    Cell phones represent VOIP.
    Store display signs and pamphlet passouts are email.

  109. duh, its a bunch of computers hooked up together by stratjakt · · Score: 0

    how stupid do you think "laymans" are?

    show the layman two 22 year olds on xboxes playing halo 2 in rooms next to each other screaming profanities and acting like complete assholes while jacking off and eating cheesos

    then say the internet is that x 2 billion

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    I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
  110. I win by Mr.+Altaco · · Score: 1

    It's a collection of billions of computers all over the world connected together in a large network. bing!

  111. Exactly. Stevens was right. by lennier · · Score: 1

    "A series of tubes" really does sum up what the Internet is. It was a perfectly appropriate and correct metaphor. It is, much like a reticulated water or gas or electrical or superhighway system, a data transport utility comprised of interconnected networks of networks, each with different

    Look, we all use the term "pipe" already to mean "data connection" and we know exactly what we mean. Jumping on Stevens for his use of the term was really just a ridiculous display of snobbishness, combined with a deep-seated (and justified) unease about the future of Internet freedom in the face of corporate encroachment.

    I think the reason for the ugly kneejerk reaction was that Stevens' argument hit a little close to home: we all know that bandwidth in various Internet subsystems *is* a limited resource, and that large numbers of users downloading mass quantities of rich media *does* put a stress on this resource, and in a sensibly managed internetwork we should act to conserve it. But because it's untrustworthy cable providers and vertically integrated data/media monopolies advancing the 'bandwidth conservation' pitch to cover their hatred of the Internet's openness and their desire to decommoditise it, we instinctively distrust everything they say. And we want to pretend that downloading 'huge quantities of material' DOESN'T 'clog the pipes', to take that argument away from them. And for that reason (and to make lawmakers look like a bunch of old men who Just Don't Get It), Stevens had to be discredited.

    But laughing at a valid argument doesn't make it go away. What we *should* be saying is: Yes, data transfer costs money, it doesn't come for free. But freedom is also important. So bill data users honestly, by the gigabyte per month. Don't try to impose vertical integration monopolies because they distort the true cost of data transfer, don't try to double-dip and hold websites to hostage for bandwith both they and the home users have already paid for, don't filter traffic by data type, don't prevent users from copying and locally caching as much rich media as they can (because local caches save bandwidth) - and we'll all get along fine.

    But no, it's so much easier just to laugh at funny stupid ol' Tube Guy who doesn't realise bandwidth is free like air.

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    1. Re:Exactly. Stevens was right. by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      No, the problem with Stevens' speech was he obviously didn't have a clue what he was talking about, even if you look past the tubes metaphor. Bandwidth overuse does cause certain problems, but not the problems he mentioned.

      Furthermore, if I remember the context correctly, he was trying to make an argument about net neutrality. The problems he mentioned had nothing to do with neutrality, and neither does bandwidth usage, because net neutrality is about discrimination based on who you are rather than how much you use.

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  112. Phone number analogy by The+Monster · · Score: 1

    Most people have a basic understanding of the workings -- if not the mechanics -- of a phone system.
    I use this to explain how IP addressing works in non-technical terms, so they get a feel for what routing is about.

    The analogy extends nicely to DNS=Directory Assistance, so it's a pretty handy model.

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  113. Sorry but... by KGBear · · Score: 1

    I am a layman in medicine, but when I have a health problem I make it my business to understand it the best I can. I am a layman in law but when I must deal with the legal system I will take the time to learn how it works. I am a layman in accounting (and I think it's extremely boring and it makes me sleepy) but during tax time I put in the effort to understand what and why I am paying for. As a computer layman if you want to (or need to or are forced to, just like taxes) use the Internet, you better MAKE yourself interested - or suffer the consequences. If you want the easy path, "series of tubes" is good enough for you. Now go IM on AOL and stop wasting my time.

  114. Think of the Internet as a Highway . . . by Agripa · · Score: 5, Funny

    A highway hundreds of lanes wide. Most with pitfalls for potholes. Privately operated bridges and overpasses. No highway patrol. A couple of rent-a-cops on bicycles with broken whistles. 500 member vigilante posses with nuclear weapons. A minimum of 237 on ramps at every intersection.

    No signs. Wanna get to Ensenada? Holler out the window at a passing truck to ask directions.

    Ad hoc traffic laws. Some lanes would vote to make use by a single-occupant-vehicle a capital offense on Monday through Friday between 7:00 and 9:00. Other lanes would just shoot you without a trial for talking on a car phone.

    AOL would be a giant diesel-smoking bus with hundreds of ebola victims on board throwing dead wombats and rotten cabbage at the other cars, most of which have been assembled at home from kits. Some are built around 2.5 horsepower lawn mower engines with a top speed of nine miles an hour. Others burn nitroglycerin and idle at 120.

    No license plates. World War II bomber nose art instead. Terrifying paintings of huge teeth or vampire eagles. Bumper mounted machine guns. Flip somebody the finger on this highway and get a white phosphorus grenade up your tailpipe. Flatbed trucks cruise around with anti-aircraft missile batteries to shoot down the traffic helicopter. Little kids on tricycles with squirt guns filled with hydrochloric acid switch lanes without warning.

    No off ramps. None.

    Author (maybe, it's hard to track down sources on the Net): Jim Wiedman

  115. you're all fencing with shadows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    As the infamous Charlie Brooks has frequently said,

    The Internet is a set of agreements on how to communicate using computers and wires. Obviously, the RFCs that define the protocols are more important than some nebulous "community" (is NAMBLA part of the community? they are certainly on the Internet) or ephemeral technology (UUCP anyone? Didn't think so.) And the process by which we define the RFCs (think about what the abbrev. stands for here) is part of the agreement we've made.

    Unfortunately, large corporations such as AOL (refuses to follow email RFCs) and Comcast (worm central) think they are above honoring the agreements that make up the Internet. Slowly, though, they are wising up - FIOS is going to eat comcast's lunch, not because of speed, but because Verizon is closer to being RFC-compliant.
  116. The internet is... by SashaM · · Score: 1

    The internet is the largest equivalence class in the reflexive, transitive, symmetric closure of the relationship "can be reached by an IP packet from".

    I didn't come up with this, but I don't know who did.

  117. Original Definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    INTERnational NETwork always worked for me

  118. It's a crowd by je1330 · · Score: 1

    The Internet is a crowd of people, or rather their computers, in one large room. Everyone knows something, some people and their computers are usefull, some are useless, and some know things that I'd rather not know. If you (your computer) wants to know something that someone else knows, you ask the guy next to you, who asks the guy next to him, who asks another guy, all the way out to the point where someone has the answer, and sends it back to you through a whole bunch of other one way tosses of information. Some people can't talk to other people, because they dont' have the security rights to, or because that person's computer is just snoby. Some people talk to the same person over and over. Some people get talked to so much that they are slow at responding to you, or simply aren't able to until they get a little more free time. And of course, someone always has a cold, the flu, or malaria that they're willing to share with you and your computer after they steal your wallet. So watch who you stand next to.

  119. My definition by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Internet is a collection of independent communication networks, connected to form a much bigger communication network through mutually shared collaborative connection agreements; a General Purpose Communication System.

    People describing IP, TCP, Web, Usenet, VOIP all miss out on what the internet REALLY is, communication. The means, methods, routing and all of that is what makes it work, but not the purpose. Purpose is ONLY communication, nothing more, nothing less.

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  120. Succinct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Breast thread?

  121. Re:If you don't understand what the internet is by by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 1

    Parent is modded flamebait and troll??? If I had mod points I'd mod it +1 insightful.

  122. Difficult this is not. by stonecypher · · Score: 1

    Although I agree that that description is rather silly, each time I've found myself trying to come up with a -succinct layman's definition- of what the Internet is, and I come up short.
    C'mon.

    The internet is a large group of computers connected over a specific system called "IP," which know how to arrange a game of chinese phone system to get messages from any point to any other. The power of the internet is that every point on it is both a server and a client - that is, a host and a consumer - at the same time, and there is no concept of priority; it lets anyone who can develop a product compete on an even playing field, and that playing field is generic enough to support a startling array of systems.

    The power of the internet is quite simply in that everyone's a server.
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  123. nutshell: Abstraction by drenehtsral · · Score: 1

    The whole problem with trying to answer this question, is that the question should be unasked.

    The Internet (as we understand it), is really an abstraction built for the express purpose of making it so nobody has to _care_ what things look like on the physical level. That's the whole point of the seven-layered protocol stack, half of the RFC's, and the whole concept of a network of peers who can all send and receive requests and information.

    Put that in yer pipe an' smoke it.

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    1. Re:nutshell: Abstraction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The whole problem with trying to answer this question, is that the question should be unasked.

      So when that question is asked anyway (and believe me, it is), your answer can be boiled down to "f**k off"?

    2. Re:nutshell: Abstraction by drenehtsral · · Score: 1

      Depending on who's doing the asking (i.e. if I'm on the clock, or she's cute, I'll do my best, otherwise it's "go p*ss up a rope")...

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  124. Mod Parent Up! by CamD · · Score: 1

    Computers are to the Internet as people are to society.

    That 'definition' even allows for anti-social/'disconnected' people/computers, as well as isolated societies/networks. "Society" is understood to be "the body of human beings generally" (The Internet), but can also be used synonymously with "community" (a network).

    The Internet cannot be described solely as a physical thing because that definition (the lay one) would only describe a network and because the computers (and even protocols) are always changing (or at least could without being a different network).

    While Uruviel (somewhere else in this discussion) used the analogy of computers being photos in an album, it has the issue of the empty album (is The Internet just the infrastructure?).
    My thought was that of computers being photos spread out on a table. Some photos could be placed together as pairs or groups. Some of these groups could be quite large but there would be one HUGE heap of photos in the middle. We can't just call the big heap a collection of multiple photos because there are many of these, so we then choose to give this heap (independent of the individual photos that are added/removed from it) a name. A suitable one would be The Heap. It isn't unique in its makeup but is significant enough to be uniquely identified.

    Disclaimer: IANANE (Network Engineer)

  125. Re:If you don't understand what the internet is by by seaturnip · · Score: 1

    If you google for his nick, he actually was a high-level Starcraft player before he went insane. "famous" is pushing it, but I suppose by the standards of videogame players he was.

  126. ownership by adrianmonk · · Score: 1

    Other have come up with some good definitions, but one thing that hasn't been emphasized and which I think is essential, is ownership.

    Who owns The Internet? The internet is owned by everybody and nobody in particular. The government does not own it. You don't own it. The telephone company does not own it. When you've paid for internet access, you aren't renting part of the internet. Instead, you're paying someone to run some equipment so you can take part in the internet. You may own or rent equipment or service, but the internet is what happens when the whole thing works together as a system.

    That is not very succinct, of course. Maybe something like, "The internet is the phenomenon of everyone hooking their computers together and operating according a common standard of communication so all the computers have an opportunity to talk to each other. The internet is owned by nobody and everybody at the same time."

    1. Re:ownership by Keitopsis · · Score: 1

      I think more interesting is that "internet" seems to have the same ownership or participatory ownership as the word "society"

      Perhaps the internet is "a society for computers".

      The thought is perplexing.

      While this expresses the common ownership, it also addresses the attributes for collective action, dynamic effects, and the complexity of the system as a whole.

  127. I've just installed Internet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - Hey! I've just installed Internet...
    - You can't install the Internet, it's billions of pages!
    - Ok... Umm... So where are all these pages if not installed on my computer?
    - They are on billions of computers around the world, and each of these computers have special weird names, like yahoo.com, wikipedia.org, imdb.com, etc.
    - And how do I read these pages if they are on other computers than mine, on the other side of the world?
    - Like you can call someone on the phone on the other of world! Your computer uses wires, cables, satellites, airwaves, etc. to talk to the other computers.

  128. this was covered in the terminator movies by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    it's skynet, before it becomes self-aware

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  129. The true definition: by therufus · · Score: 1

    Internet: A large interconnected group of computers, spread worldwide and beyond, for the sole purpose of spreading porn.

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  130. I Win by Eideewt · · Score: 1

    Best analogy:
    The Internet is a worldwide crowd of computers passing little notes to one another. Pass enough notes, and you can say the lengthiest thing you want.

    This analogy is best because packets and notes written on paper are very similar, and the issues of the Internet are similar to those involved in note passing. Congestion in this model results from one computer getting more notes than it can easily handle at once. Contrast this with a lame tubes analogy, which makes it sound like tubes themselves can get clogged. In the Internet, the actions of the nodes are the important things, and the medium over which they communicate is largely irrelevant except to those responsible for making it work.

  131. Internet: it's not your mother's tubes. by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 1

    Series of tubes, that is.

  132. Just call it the 'Distribuporn' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    problem solved.

  133. According to Avenue Q... by Dave+Emami · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The Internet is for porn!
    The Internet is for porn!
    Why you think the Net was born?
    Porn, porn, porn!

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  134. Internet layperson definition by maniwiz · · Score: 1

    The internet is short for "inter-networking", and refers to a network of computer networks. This type of network of computer networks was originally developed at the US government organization ARPA and was called ARPAnet. It mainly had four uses or functions:1.HTTP, 2.FTP, 3.Hyper Terminal and 4.Email. It's use proliferated after Tim Berner's Lee invented the World Wide Web, which is the present form in which we still know and use it today.

  135. Computer Lines by Mybrid · · Score: 1

    People understand that telephone lines connect telephones. Computer lines connect computers. Telephone companies have had computer swithes and PBX for years. But to the public the telephone system was described in terms of the telephone lines that run into their house. Telephones have since gone cellular. People still associate telephones with telephone lines. The Internet is the computer lines and hardware used to connect computers for the express purposes of conveying information. Sometimes the lines are replaced by airwaves in the same since celluar phones replace telephone lines with airwaves. The concept of Internet should not be used to describe the unlimited possibilities of content being provided, albeit Email or computer phones--which are nothing more the computing devices dedicated to a single purpose of conveying voice over computer lines.

  136. Won't someone please think of the pr0n? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ever since Senator Ted Stevens used the phrase 'series of tubes'"

    Considering the net is mostly pr0n0graphy, an array would be a better description.

  137. What's wrong with "series of tubes" anyway by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

    I think the Daily Show just latched onto it because a Republican said it, and Jon Stewart is a well-known Democrat. "Series of tubes" is a perfectly reasonable description of bandwidth pipes and packet queues. The guy was just trying to describe bandwidth starvation to laypeople.

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    1. Re:What's wrong with "series of tubes" anyway by Fallen+Seraph · · Score: 1

      First of all, political parties are irrelevant if you're talking about the Daily Show, since they do in fact make fun of Democrats all the time as well (It's just that the majority party typically exposes their flaws more often, and becomes cannon fodder).

      Second, Ted Stevens IS a layperson when it comes to technology. I'm sorry, but when discussing something as complicated as Net Neutrality, the Chair of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, should at least have a rudimentary understanding of what the internet is, and how it works, since a large part of the debate is packet priority. Though "Series of Tubes" may not have been entirely inappropriate, the speech, in context, clearly shows that he misunderstands a great deal of the terminology and technology involved.

      Again, this is not someone who can be overlooked. This is not your grandfather. This is the man who, until recently, was in charge of Internet regulation.

      Personally, I felt it sounded like a lobbyist against Net Neutrality explained a lot of the concepts to him and he misunderstood some of them. And frankly, I don't put it past him to only hear out one side of an issue to begin with, since, keep in mind, this is the man who threatened to resign from the Senate if the $223 million in funds originally allocated for the "Bridge to Nowhere" were spent to help rescue and recovery operations in the wake of the destruction of New Orleans.

    2. Re:What's wrong with "series of tubes" anyway by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      The guy was just trying to describe bandwidth starvation to laypeople.
      Well, as far as technological matters go, he's a layman himself (he's certainly not part of the Internet Priesthood!). It might be that he understands the internet reasonably well, or it might be that he was roughly repeating something that someone who understands it fairly well (eg an aide) told him. I suspect the latter is more likely. In either case, though, that doesn't qualify him for ridicule.
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    3. Re:What's wrong with "series of tubes" anyway by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      First of all, political parties are irrelevant if you're talking about the Daily Show, since they do in fact make fun of Democrats all the time as well (It's just that the majority party typically exposes their flaws more often, and becomes cannon fodder).


      Jon Stewart is a publicly-known Democrat, and when the show mocks Democrats it's due to facial features or speaking style. When they mock Republicans, they criticize their policies. Comedy Central is owned by Viacom, a major contributor to the Democratic party that had MTV mail out fake military draft letters to kids in '04 to "convince them to vote."

      Second, Ted Stevens IS a layperson when it comes to technology. I'm sorry, but when discussing something as complicated as Net Neutrality, the Chair of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, should at least have a rudimentary understanding of what the internet is, and how it works, since a large part of the debate is packet priority. Though "Series of Tubes" may not have been entirely inappropriate, the speech, in context, clearly shows that he misunderstands a great deal of the terminology and technology involved.


      I'm still not clear what the big hooplah was over "series of tubes." The rest of the speech isn't what everybody mocked. It was the tubes.
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    4. Re:What's wrong with "series of tubes" anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, the main thing Stewart makes fun of Democrats for is their not having done anything. Second, why do you take such an accusatory tone? Is it really so shameful to be publicly known as a Democrat?

      You really shouldn't protect your "us vs. them" worldview onto everyone else. You might mock somebody's speech because they're a member of the wrong political party, but Stewart is doing it because it's funny, and his job is comedy.

    5. Re:What's wrong with "series of tubes" anyway by Fallen+Seraph · · Score: 1

      They mocked tubes because it sounded funny really. That's about it. The speech as a whole showed that he didn't get what he was talking about, but the phrase "The internet is a series of tubes. It's not a big truck." sounded really funny in the audio recording, and had become symbolic of his lack of understanding.

      And on a side note, those "fake draft cards" were emails which told the recipient to "Report to a polling place near you." Seeing as how you don't register an email with the US Government, it's absurd to confuse it with a real card. Not saying that it's not misleading, because it is by implying it's going to happen, but it was was hardly as sinister as you imply.


      PS- And I happen to agree with the fact that the Daily Show makes fun of Republican policies. But when your policy is so absurd I wouldn't be able to help it either :P

  138. You've missed the important distinction by Rix · · Score: 1

    You can't intelligently route a "series of tubes", where as you can route around congestion on a network. Further, there's an implication that you can't easily expand capacity in a "series of tubes", where as you can, easily, on a network. (Or in our case, simply activate some unused fiber.)

    The part of the "series of tubes" metaphor that's made fun of is the "series of" rather than the "tubes". When we talk about pipes, we're referring to an individual connection, not the network as a whole. Like most metaphors, it breaks when you change the scale.

    1. Re:You've missed the important distinction by alienmole · · Score: 1

      I mentioned the routing issue. Routing around congestion is not really relevant to Stevens' point, which has more to do with the fact that at any given time, total bandwidth limits do exist, and congestion can occur as a result, and therefore some means of allowing for prioritised traffic (QoS guarantees) can in fact be important. (See Ed Felten's analysis, which I've just discovered, for a more detailed look at what Stevens was trying to say.)

      The implication of not easily being able to expand capacity is arguable - Stevens didn't actually allude to that and it's not clear that he intended to. For what he was actually trying to communicate, his metaphor seems adequate.

      As for scaling up, you'd have the same problem if you tried to scale up a single Ethernet cable connection to an entire wide-area network - you need to add switching infrastructure to make it work. I'm thinking high-speed control gates at the tube interconnection points, which detect pressure in the target tubes and routes flow accordingly. Don't disrespect the intertubes!

  139. Not a series of tubes by einhverfr · · Score: 1

    The series of tubes is a pretty good analogy to the telephone network (which is circuit switched).

    The internet (which is packet-switched) is like a giant electronic version of the USPS, except that you pay a subscription fee instead of postage and any mail over the maximum size gets automatically broken up and reassembled.

    In fact, ZIP codes and IP addresses share a common structure (a 2 part region and entity distinction).

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    1. Re:Not a series of tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, the USPS is a great analogue to the Internet. Pushing your analogy more, prioritized traffic is like paying more postage for expedited delivery -- especially when you compare first class mail to "Standard Mail" (what used to be third and fourth class) since both first-class and Standard use the same infrastructure for delivery. First class just has better QoS.

      (There are some other, unimportant differences)

    2. Re:Not a series of tubes by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      I have no problem with paying for some expedited services. If I were to go with a different ISP that did not offer voice service, and they charged me extra for QOS priorities for VOIP, that would be fine.

      I have problems with:
      1) Anticompetitive uses of these strategies (nothing new, why we have antitrust laws)
      2) Blackmailing content providers into paying more for priority routing to customers.

      You are choosing the analogy to fit the agenda, not trying to explain facts and then letting people decide. We have a word for what results: propaganda.

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    3. Re:Not a series of tubes by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      You are choosing the analogy to fit the agenda, not trying to explain facts and then letting people decide. We have a word for what results: propaganda.

      That's a petty accusation. Please show me where my analogy fails.

      Keep in mind that third and fourth class mail (the so-called "Standard Mail") are used by businesses doing mass mailings. The sorts of things that are not latency bound (akin to bit torrent traffic, say). There is no connotation of sub-standard service.

      I could have compared Priority mail and first class mail, but don't think it's a good analogy since they use different distribution systems. (Priority Mail is flown around, first class is trucked, mostly.) That's an obvious disanalogy to ISP mandated QoS, especially since high priority packets aren't going to arrive (much) faster than low priority packets.

      You should try to keep an open mind and carefully evaluate a person's analogy or argument before accusing them of arguing in bad faith. There's a word for people who don't do that: Asshole.

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    4. Re:Not a series of tubes by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      I am sorry. I misunderstood your post. My appologies.

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    5. Re:Not a series of tubes by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Since this was a misunderstanding, I apologize for calling you an asshole. I thought your comparison between the Internet and the USPS was insightful, so I was kind of surprised when you accused me of having an agenda -- especially since I tried to follow along with your unbiased analogy with relevant and (as far as I can tell) unbiased information.

      Of course, I do have an agenda. But I'm not sure what it is yet. There are good technical and bad political reasons for strong QoS. The cynic in me tells me that the political problems will override the technical benefits. But I would certainly be open to schemes where that is prevented.

      No hard feelings, eh?

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    6. Re:Not a series of tubes by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      No appology necessary. I misread your post and thought you were suggesting that it should not be used for the reason that people might see it as endorsing tiered services which are unpopular here. My reply was uncalled for and you were right to point it out. Hence my original appology.

      No hard feelings at all :-)

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  140. Translation by einhverfr · · Score: 1

    If you understood what a metaphore was, you would understand that the "series of tubes" was an apt description of the post office.

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    1. Re:Translation by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Which isn't bad. The postal service is a great metaphor for the internet. A better one than tubes, even. But they're both clear.

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  141. Network of Networks by talk2sk · · Score: 0

    That is the simplest of explanation, it is simply the network of smaller networks that are connected together.. Its simple to explain what a network is.. Its just a collection of communicating devices..

    A simple analogy is the voice network of networks [International Calls / Local Telephone Providers] and tell them instead of telephones its more versatile communication devices like computers.

    Hang on a second isnt the N95 a computer now ?

  142. it's just a network of networks by m@ltese · · Score: 1

    And a network is just a group of connected computers.

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  143. Internet like tranport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The internets like a tranportation network.

    The bread and butter of it is roads. Theres loads of cars and buses and various vehicles flying about the place all going to different destinations. Some roads are wider then others, get bogged down with traffic and that. Most people are going shopping, heading to the same shops downtown to pick up some goods and then head home. Places all have addresses, but most people just remember the names and ask for directions along the way (thats dns for you, although most dns servers are better then random people directions wise)

    You also got your train lines (virtual circuits) and your airports (udp) and potholes and dodgy signposts and pirates... but the basic analogy works methinks.

  144. An explanation for older people by porpnorber · · Score: 1

    What I have told people older than myself who have asked is that "the Internet is a system for customer-dialled, and even fully automatic, telegrams. Because they charge a flat rate for service and the messages themselves are free, it gets used for all kinds of everyday things, like newsletters, catalog stores and—it can send pictures on the principle of a facsimile—things like poster walls." This explanation has the dual advantages of referring only to technology available for a century now, and of being true in full technical detail.

    I've repeatedly got reactions from agèd people like, "Huh! Maybe I'll get myself a computer then. That's nothing scary, after all. And I miss telegrams."

    But this won't help the younger generation, who probably don't remember back when we had civilisation and technology and stuff ;).

    Customer dialled telegrams aren't rocket science; I have no idea why the 'net is so mystified in modern life.

  145. Zen and the Art of Internet Maintenance by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    The Internet that can be defined is not the true Internet.

  146. Simply put by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    "What are your suggestions for a succinct layman's definition of the Internet?" This is a general question it deserves a general answer, not specifics with specifications or stupid analogies by pseudo-experts. So, it is good to ask the /. community, but the simple answer is; applied technology should be used for the good of all, by everyone not just the wealthy. Like the phone, TV, Xray, radio .... 99+ out of 100 have no fycking idea what FM, AM, radiation, bits/byts ... (at a technology level) are, but it has been part of their lives for 50 to 100 years. IOW: politicians should use the tools and quit acting like, and being the talking head fools of Washington, DC selling out to special corporate interest.

    So, I would never say that laypeople should take the time to learn technology, because it is their purpose as customers to buy and use technology for intended uses. Layfolks are not going to repair/build/R&D technology, install, configure, test ... technology, and should not need special training to apply technology. Layfolks learn, what they need, to use a technology tool they require.

    Good Example: "When you start talking about 'TCP/IP' or 'DNS', or if you get far enough to start describing those terms, their eyes glaze over." this is what happens to me when dogmatics talk religion or politics, or I poke fun at them and laugh at them, you know like some of them and young geeks do the old tube/analog ancient geeks.

    I can't fix a car, drive a nail, build/roof a house, toss pottery, paint a portrait, act on stage or TV ... many make more money than I do, but I can still ficking NYX-phreak globally ... when I need too. As long as the mechanics, carpenters ... don't attempt to fix/install telecommunications I am happy (either way fully employed). I do wish politicians would stop letting corporatist and lobbyist write all the laws in the USA, EU, Russia, China, India ....

    "Senator Ted Stevens used the phrase 'series of tubes' to describe his understanding of the Internet." This is the same for 99+ out of 100 Representatives, Senators, Presidents/VP & Staff, Citizens ... "how silly that is?", really "how pitiful that is" politicians thinking that special corporatist interest authoring public law make them a technology expert.

    "How reality is." Representatives, Senators, Presidents/VP & Staff, Citizens are equally incompetent about technology. Politicians (almost all globally) CEOs..., televangelist, popes, Imams ... are delusional fools that believe they know technology and science, while Citizens as carpenters, brick and tile experts, manufacturing workers, bankers, lawyers, artist, architects, doctors, salespersons ... do not care anything about understanding the Internet, but are happy to use the Internet as a tool for doing work, entertainment, communicating with friends....

    I submit; that the general public understand everything they need to know about the technology they use everyday is far more significant, than the fools that are image conscious idiots [AKA: politicians] making foolish anti-competitive laws. Good hardworking layfolks do not need a BS-succinct definition of what the Internet "is", because IT/Internet ain't one thing (politicians just think it is ?something?).

    Wikipedia has a gargantuan page describing the Internet for professors, students, programmers, net/sys admin ... not for folks that just want a tool for doing work, contacting family, keeping informed ....

    Oh, if some one has time; Please do me a favor, post the above over on http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/ 23/0127202 for me it fits "The Worst US/EU Laws" on technology... or something.

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  147. Re:Less of an array, more of a n-ary linked list b by vga_init · · Score: 1

    That's the best definition I've ever heard. It also explains why many parents and governments try to keep their little ones away from it.

  148. Zen??? by Thinman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does the internet exist if nobody is connected?

    1. Re:Zen??? by krog · · Score: 1

      Does the internet exist if somebody is connected?

  149. Let the Internet explain itself . . . by satan+oscillate+meta · · Score: 1

    The best way to succinctly define the Internet to a 'layperson' would be to sit them down in front of a computer, load www.google.com and then say, "Ask Google what the Internet is?" They would quickly develop a working definition.

  150. Oblig... by camperdave · · Score: 1

    How about "bunch of computers connected using phone lines"?

    I use a cable modem, you insensitive clod!

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  151. It's the phone system for computers. by camperdave · · Score: 1

    "It's the phone system for computers. It allows your computer to contact other computers and exchange information, just like you do with your home phone. And as with your phone, there's lots of physical ways to make that work (cells phones, old black rotary phones, big office phone exchanges with hundreds of handsets, and so on. To important thing is the information that flows, and that the actually connection part has been automated so you don't have to worry about how it works, you can focus on the communication part of what you're trying to do..." Best layman's description I've seen so far.
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    1. Re:It's the phone system for computers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmtankyew...

              - peterd (still not logged in - heck I can't even remember my account name...)

  152. It's a network of networks by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    There, that wasn't so hard.

    -ted

  153. The Internet is a computer network by Jessta · · Score: 1

    The internet is a computer network linking together smaller computer networks owned by many different companies and individuals.

    The problem the OP is having is that they are trying to come up with a defination without requiring that person being told the definition actually learn anything. 'A series of tubes' is a great way of describing the internet as plumbing, but it requires that the person have an understanding of plumbing anyway.

    Most people who have access to the internet have an idea what a computer network is, as they have one in their office.

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  154. The internet is a window on the world... by epiphyte(3) · · Score: 1

    ...which looks out anywhere you want. In the absence of net neutrality, of course, we'd need to revise that definition to "...anywhere _they_ want."

  155. The Internet as an analogy to a city by g00ser · · Score: 1

    The Internet is the series of roads that lead to all destinations. Traffic lights are the routing rules that control the direction and flow of data. Cars are packets. IP addresses are locations or places on the Internet. Host names are equivalent to calling '12321 Main Street' 'Bob's house'. The interstates are the Internet Backbone and allow you to cover great distances within the city in a shorter amount of time. Toll roads lead to ISP specific content. etc, etc, etc... This also works well in describing bandwidth saturation (traffic jams) to non technical people. If you make your roads wider, your traffic is less congested and therefore moves faster from point to point. When you move from a three lane road to a two lane road, you tend to get traffic jams at these bottlenecks in high activity periods.

  156. My attempt by crumplez · · Score: 1

    A scalable framework for frictionless flow of information.

  157. Many really don't know... by css-hack · · Score: 2, Informative

    Many "laypeople" don't know what a "network" is. When they do start to understand that two computers can talk to eachother, they don't understand what part a "web browser" plays.

    Some people still think "Internet Explorer" is the internet. You and I know that's not true. You and I know that HTML and HTTP are only a tiny part of what is now the internet. Lots of people don't.

    Here are 10 points. The first 4 are just background.

    • Computers can send information to eachother over cables, and with radio waves.
    • Military and educational institutions started a long-distance network back in the day.
    • It kept getting bigger and more popular.
    • Now, most communication is sent over phone and cable lines, just like extra channels.
    • When you connect to the internet, you're really connecting to your ISP's computer--this is just like when you connect to the computer on the other desk but in stead of just giving you access to its files, it gives you a gateway to every other computer on the internet.
    • Every computer has an internet address (IP) that other computers use to find it.
    • Everyone has a number address, but you can buy a "name" address (a .net or .com)
    • When you try to download something or view a webpage, your computer first sends a request to the other computer.
    • That request goes through a bunch of other computers (usually your ISP's and their ISP's). Then that remote computer can choose to acknowledge you, and send you the information you asked for. That data takes the same route back to you.
    • Web browsers and web sites are a way of displaying pictures and text over the internet.
    1. Re:Many really don't know... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      This is all nice and well, but it's still pretty much irrelevant. Why does a politician need to explain to anyone that Internet Explorer is not "the internet"? I don't ask politicians to explain other technical subjects to me.

      My position is that laypeople don't need a succint definition for what the internet is, any more than they need a succinct definition of what electricity is. Most people have little idea what electricity is or how it works; they know they can plug things into wall outlets, they know that you can get shocked by it, but they don't know about alternating current or 3-phase power or how rotating magnetic fields are used in AC generators to make the power they use. If laypeople want to find out more about the internet, that's great, they can read all about it. But they don't need some super-succint definition for politicians to use when talking about the internet. If you want to talk about the internet to people, just call it the internet. Unless they've been living in a cave for the past 20 years, they'll know what you mean.

    2. Re:Many really don't know... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I disagree, it isn't irrelevant to all, just those with a technology clue. I think we're developing an example of what C.P. Snow wrote about so long ago -- the huge gap developing between the intellectual "haves" and "have-nots". It's rapidly becoming an insurmountable gulf.

      For people immersed in an IT culture, what the Internet "is" and "how it works" are no-brainers. But there's a trap of expertise in that it does not cross cultural boundaries, as communications between the technology "haves" and "have-nots" tends to atrophy and eventually the "other group" isn't recognised at all. Here's a sample meme:

      "If all you have is a hammer, then it's generally a bad idea to adjust your BIOS settings".

      I can understand that meme, you can understand that meme -- here's a test, can you imagine anyone who wouldn't get that meme? Yet the first part is local to an engineering aphorism and the second is pure desktop technology. Yet the meaning is immediately familiar to us. So familiar, in fact, that one cannot possibly imagine how anybody today could not "get" it. Yet how many people from, say, the class of people with only a small grocery store background, or a background in politics or fashion management or timber industry would know what a BIOS was if it bit them in the clock?

      Those in the know are often unaware just how eye-glazing our conversation can be to those who don't. And trust me, there are a lot in the latter camp. A lot in the latter camp.

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    3. Re:Many really don't know... by DougWebb · · Score: 3, Funny

      The fashion industry folks wouldn't know what a hammer is, either.

    4. Re:Many really don't know... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      WTF?

      People in politics, fashion, or timer don't need to know what BIOS is, any more than I need to know about various congressional subcommittees, different players in the fashion industry, or what type of machines are best for cutting down trees. To one of these people, a computer should be like an appliance: they turn it on, log in, start up a browser, and use the internet. And this is exactly what they do; they don't care what BIOS is, nor should they, just like they don't need to know what an intake air bypass valve is on their car which they drive to work every day.

      I can understand that meme, you can understand that meme -- here's a test, can you imagine anyone who wouldn't get that meme?

      Sure, my wife, and almost everyone else I know outside of work wouldn't have a clue what this stupid meme means because they don't screw around with BIOS settings or build their own computers.

      So familiar, in fact, that one cannot possibly imagine how anybody today could not "get" it.

      I can certainly imagine how they don't get it. If I made a joke about 8B/10B encoding, would you get it? Or what if I made a joke about Verilog syntax? Don't tell me you're so ignorant that you don't know Verilog and VHDL. Everyone should know those!

      Those in the know are often unaware just how eye-glazing our conversation can be to those who don't. And trust me, there are a lot in the latter camp. A lot in the latter camp.

      So what? Domain-specific knowledge is like that. If a group of lawyers was having a conversation about Affadavits and Default Judgments and other such crap, that sure would be eye-glazing to me too. Or if some timber workers were talking about different chainsaws and blades, I'd be highly uninterested as well.

      Where do you get off thinking that non-computer workers have any need to know the details of how computers and networks work? I really don't care about how different grades of asphalt are used in different roads; I drive on them every day, but I really don't care about the details in their construction.

    5. Re:Many really don't know... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1
      So, do you hide the technology from people when they do ask about it? There's a difference between needing to know and wanting to know.

      Unlike the other professions where people have very little visibility of the technology, the Internet (and the PC in general) is relatively new, pervasive and important, and people are going to ask about their environment until they're bludgeoned into not asking about it any more (and I do hope that point doesn't arrive any time soon).

      If someone were to ask you what a BIOS did would you say "It's kind of how your desktop software knows about the hardware inside your PC" or would you assume they want more detail than that immediately, and say "I'm sorry, it's technical, and you don't have the background to understand it"?

      The latter would elicit any of a number of negative responses, including "oh, so you don't know either...". And people do ask about such things, because some technical terms are close to the surface. If they want more, point them to the Wiki.

      But a courteous question always deserves a courteous answer, if you have one to offer. If we try to cloister even basic concepts away then we're by default leaving it in the hands of people like Senator Ted to answer it for us.

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  158. I remember CRS Online! by camperdave · · Score: 1

    I used to be on CRS Online back in the long ago. I think I downloaded my first linux from there.

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  159. I think Stevens is being unfairly ridiculed. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe just call it "series of tubes"? Stevens is pretty layman, so I wouldn't be surprised most people can understand better with description like that.

    I think criticisms of Stevens' "series of tubes" comment are a tad overblown. After all, the engineers DO use "pipes" as a term of art for the connections between routers. I suspect Stevens heard some of this talk and was trying to repeat it, but warped "pipe" into "tube" - a reasonable layman mistake.

    "Informaiton superhighway" is actually not all that bad (with packets as little mail trucks carrying postcards, core routers as interchanges, and edge routers as on ramps).

    Personally I like "container shipping", though:

    - Data is shipped from any computer (big company) to any other.

    - Data is packed into little shipping containers, called "packets", and mounted on little trucks (or whatever) for shipping.

    - You write the destination and return address on each packet, so the shipper knows where to send it and who to notify if something goes awry, and the recipient knows who it's from. For some kinds of packets you also add a sending and receiving department. You may also label it with what sort of thing it contains and how to handle it: (Perishable: get it there fast or throw it out. Important: Take extra care to get it there even if it goes slower. Junkmail: Dump it before you'd dump something important.) And you label it with a maximum number of sorting centers to go through (so it won't keep getting shipped around forever if the shippers get confused about routes).

    - The capacity of a packet is pretty small, so if you have a big chunk of data (like a novel, the encyclopedia brittanica, or a continuous data feed like frames of film or a magazine subscription) you have to break it up into multiple packets to ship it. You number the pieces so your big chunk, or continuous stream, can be reassembled at the other end. (Actually your shipping department does this for you: See TCP.)

    - Every port on every host is a loading dock with a distinct address. (The loading docks on shipping centers have distinct addresses, too.)

    - The packets are each loaded onto a distinct delivery van or container-shipping flatbed truck.

    - A link between a host and a router, or between two routers, is a way to ship packets. It might be a road, or a scheduled or intermittent stream of ships, cargo planes, or trains. Roads come in various sizes, from country dirt roads (dialup modem links), through paved private roads (DSL links, T1s) to giant, multilane, interstate/autobahn arteries (fiber optic lines). It might be a conveyor belt, where you get regularly-scheduled slots, or one where you can use the next empty slot.

    - IP core networks are freeways. TDM networks (digitized telephone backbones) are conveyor belts. Satellite links are regularly (or irregularly) scheduled cargo spacecraft. And so on.

    - The shipping company might stuff the packet in a bag and put its own outer label on it, with the address of the next sorting center. Depends on the particular carrier's procedures.

    - Core routers are sorting centers.

    - Edge routers are the first/last shipping center - where the pickup/delivery vans to the customers bring the packages.

    - Peering points are where two shipping companies hand off containers to each other.

    - Subscriber management boxes are shipping centers where extra work is done: Inspecting the package and dumping bombs, dope, and junkmail. Collecting postage or tolls. Checking that the customer is paying his bills and not shipping too many packages at a time, etc. Sometimes this is done at the "edge" shipping center. Sometimes the company only has one or a few, and routes all the packages through one.

    - Packets might be transshipped between different kinds of transport: Delivery bike (dialup), truck (IP network), bullet train (fibe

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    1. Re:I think Stevens is being unfairly ridiculed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that a novel isn't a big chunk of data on todays networks. You fall into the same trap of taking analogies literary as Stevens, he compared it to a few movies though, so don't feel bad.

    2. Re:I think Stevens is being unfairly ridiculed. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Except that a novel isn't a big chunk of data on todays networks.

      What are you talking about? I'm simply using "novel" as an example, accessible to a layman, of a chunk of data bigger than a packet.

      Even as ASCII text a novel is is on the order of a megabyte, which is bigger than the MTU (Maximum Transmission Unit) of ANY network link I'm familiar with. It's certainly larger than both the 1500 byte MTU of ethernet, which is how most hosts get to their routers and the 1490 of PPP-over-ethernet, which is the standard for many ISPs. Its orders of magnitude larger than even "jumbo packets". So it must be broken into smaller chunks for transmission.

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  160. If I hadn't just used all my mod points... by css-hack · · Score: 2, Informative

    Parent (AC) is totally right. If you can get someone to understand the basics of the internet, and they want to understand how the data is sent... It's just like a postal system. Except instead of hundreds of postcards a minute... it's billions.

  161. starting point by lawpoop · · Score: 1

    Wherever you go with the definition, what about using the TCP/IP protocol as the starting point? Wasn't the TCP/IP the protocol that implemented the idea of a routing protocol that would withstand nuclear war?

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  162. A Definition by hahafaha · · Score: 1

    First, one should describe what a network is:

    A network is two or more computers that communicate with each other using sets of rules, called protocols. Different protocols are used for different types of communications.

    The Internet is a very large network, containing billions of computers, and allowing for a vast majority of protocols.

    The world wide web is a collection of documents stored on computers on the Internet, which can be transferred using the HyperText Transfer Protocol (HTTP) and the HyperText Transfer Protocol with Security (HTTPS).

  163. Any serious definition needs to include by mysticgoat · · Score: 1

    These words:

    • Decentralized— there is no core or hub and there are multiple potential pathways between each node and any other node
    • Global
    • Anarchic— there is no agency that controls usage, there is no decision-making hierarchy
    • Cooperative— protocols come into use through cooperation between sovereign entities
    • Open— the protocols that make up the various parts of the Internet are publicly available and unencumbered by patents, privately held copyrights, or any similar controls
    • Evolutionary— the Internet runs entirely on ad hoc protocols that are subject to evolution as specific changes become generally recognized as improvements (XHTMLRequest), or specific details are generally recognized as detrimental (blink)
    • Self-healing— physical damage gets routed around; logical damage gets worked around

    This is not an exhaustive list, but I think it recognizes most of what was intended as DARPAnet evolved into the early Internet, and the way the Internet has grown since that time.

  164. Define? Or explain how it works? by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

    It looks like when you ask a geek community to 'define' the internet they instead try to explain how it works. I don't think that's the case when you ask people to define similar systems, like the USPS, or the telephone system. What about defining the US interstate system, or hell the legislative system. Don't explain how it works, define it more as what it is or what it does .

    The Internet is the networking of computer networks, worldwide.

    Beyond that you're either describing how it works, what it's used for, or some intricate detail that isn't necessarily universal. The Internet can run across copper, or fiber, or through the air. It can use a variety of protocols stacked upon each other in a variety of ways. It can be fast, it can be slow, it can be redundant, it can secure, or it could just be two autonomous devices telling each other that they are each working properly. It can be used for private, public, or professional purposes. It can be used for good, or it can be used for EVIL ;) It can be used for education, communication, and entertainment.

    But it's just computers talking to each other, worldwide.

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  165. Series of Tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never heard the context but I always thought series of tubes was a pretty good analogy or atleast the start of one. Assumed he got so blasted cause it sounds silly and most people didn't have a clue.

    One problem is the intenet has many layers both hardware and software. You have to pick to describe.

    Any hi-level pseudo-physical description should hit these points:

    1. the ends are what's important, each "device" connected has an address. The middle is just a carrier like roads or the ocean or pipes.

    2. that it is packet switched, the data knows its sender and reciever addresses and special machines in the middle part know how to get the data 1 hop closer to it's destination address.

    3. peering & the "inter" part of it. That the various wires/tubes the packets flow through are owned by different people. Nice point to segway into net-neutrality.

  166. That's not the problem by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    It would be easy to describe the Internet to a layman, but only if that layman has the cognitive understanding tha has been required to invent the computer age in the first place. (it wasn't new to the computer age, but it is fudamental to it.)

    The understanding is the same as the one required to understand evolution (whether or not evolution is accurate). It's the concept of abstraction.

    Without it, any description of the Internet results in the completely valid question of "yeah, I understand about ip, and routing, and packets, and bytes; but how does that let me get my daughter's cat photo?"

    It works the same way with any sparsely co-ordinated structure. For example, how do soldiers know when to advance? You very quickly get into hierarchal command structures and the idea of cascading decisions with a whole lot of trust.

    Bytes are the very same. If you can represent one number, and you can represent millions of numbers, and your cat photo can be represented as numbers, then you have to accept/trust/understand that you can photo can be a whole whack of bytes. But most have a lot of trouble with such things.

    Same goes for evolution. (again, not talking about any truth/accuracy here) If you can understand the simple concept of something like natural selection, you still need to be able to accept the long and drawn-out follow-through which makes such simple forces sufficient to produce such complex results.

    I don't believe that most people have the capacity to understand the concept of abstraction layers -- that the "simple" can be abused to create the "complex" and that the "complex" can be absolutely nothing more than a rediculous amount of "simple".

    But that's obvious. That's why it took thousands of years of civilization for some random guy to have a theory. It's happened, I'd argue, for every innovative concept in the last ten thousand years. In order for lay people to understand a new concept, that concept needs to be ubiquitous for at least one entire generation. The Internet, as a societal ubiquity, has only been around for ten years -- and only in some parts of the world. I figure we've got another ten years before it becomes ubiquitous (used, optimally/appropriately at every level of civilization without prejudice). That means it'll take about thirty years from today before the general lay person can be counted on to understand it -- at least superficially.

    Looking thirty years back, what should everyone understand today?

  167. Duh. by Topherbyte · · Score: 0

    "The Internet is a network of networks."

    Any more than than and their eyes just glaze over.

  168. John Hodgman said it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Senator is right in some respects - the Internet is not a dump truck. Here is a picture of a dump truck: with rare exceptions, people cannot use that picture to masturbate; therefore it is *not* the Internet."

    "Now, as for calling the Internet a 'series of tubes,' that, I admit, is not the most apt comparison. A better metaphor might be... oh, I don't know, off the top of my head: a NET? Or an 'Inter-net'?"

  169. Internet by webrunner · · Score: 1

    I've always liked "The Internet is a Network of Networks"

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  170. Another take on the issue by russryan · · Score: 1

    In discussions like this many people tend to confuse "how it works" with "what it is". To most of the world it doesn't matter how it works.

    My suggestion on what it is:
    The Internet is another whole world that you can only get to through your computer. It has information, entertainment, shopping, and social groups. Just like the real world, it also has crime, hate, and misinformation. And just like the real world, when we all participate in the Internet as good citizens, it enriches our lives. Unlike the real world you can participate in all these activities without leaving your home.

  171. Draft rumors on the Internets by tepples · · Score: 1

    An internet is just a collection of interconnected networks. There were many internets then. So are you admitting that President Bush was right about those conscription rumors?
  172. It's a road system by Jarden · · Score: 1

    I've always described it as a city's streets. There are big roads (highways) that take a lot of traffic and small roads for less popular routes. It's easy then to demonstrate congestion, and even IP addressing by using the analogy of a mailing address. You have your popular locations (malls etc) and even banks. :)

    It's not perfect - to bring in ISPs, you have to make it a world where everyone hires a car to use, rather than having their own transport. And the argument against a "tiered internet" breaks down a little when you realise we already have tolls on various highways and bridges in the real world.

  173. mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    comic gold

  174. It's a bunch of computers hooked together. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a bunch of computers hooked together.

    How hard was that?

  175. It's a mix... by StarkRG · · Score: 1

    I'd say it's sort of a cross between a museum, one of those sushi boat places, and the mail service, all done at light speed...

    It's a museum in that it's got places for everything, different sections, and you can find just about anything. A sushi place in that things come in tiny packets, you don't get your whole order all at once. It's like the mail service in that, unlike the sushi places you don't usually see everyone else's stuff. Someone sorts all the little packets and sends them on to the next office.

    So, it's like a sushi boat restaurant with many tracks. You write down your order, rip it into tiny pieces place each piece in a boat with the name of the chef it should go to. It heads down to the router who picks it up, along with the other hundred thousand or so boats that other people have sent, and sorts them into the proper tracks. It passes through several other routers until it reaches the chef. The chef then reassembles your order and makes it up, putting each piece on a separate boat with your table number on it. The pieces of sushi go back the same way your order did, possibly a different route if one of the routers is on a break or too busy. Finally they reach you and you collect all your boats and you've got your meal. If you've got several people at the table then you'd have mentioned that to the chef and he'd mark it as such so that when you get the boats you can divide it up properly.

  176. A Network of Networks by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Computer networks are ubiquitous enough that most people with any attachment to business know what a network is. Just describe the Internet as a network of networks. That's what it is, after all.

    They don't have to understand how it actually works. But they understand the concept of networking through social networking. It's a concept that's innate to human nature. Computer networking really isn't any different, and isn't a hard topic for people to grasp in general terms.

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  177. private network peering agreements by xee · · Score: 1

    questions regarding the nature of the internet can be answered by expounding on the following thesis:

    the Internet is a set of communications protocols (how) and peering agreements (what, where) for transferring information (why) across various private networks (who). all of the time.

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  178. Webopedia by dcollins · · Score: 3, Informative

    I like to use Webopedia for succinct definitions like this.

    "A global network connecting millions of computers. More than 100 countries are linked into exchanges of data, news and opinions..."
    http://webopedia.com/TERM/I/Internet.html

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  179. How about a Haiku definition... by Kotukunui · · Score: 1

    Machine talk machine
    No need to know where in world
    Bring me lots of porn

  180. quote from NANOG by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 2, Funny
    On the North American Network Operators Group mailing list, I once saw this and added it to my quote file:

    > But what *IS* the internet?

    It's the largest equivalence class in the reflexive transitive symmetric closure of the relationship "can be reached by an IP packet from". --Seth Breidbart
    1. Re:quote from NANOG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By this definition, some large private network (eg. Google's internal network, a Japanese telco's IPv6 customer network, a cell phone provider's handset network or Comcast's cable customer network) would most likely be the Internet - if not yet, then soon, as the use of IPv6, end-user NAT and firewalls spread, reducing the size of the public IPv4 Internet matching this equivalence class.

  181. I'd call it an 'electronic ether'. by rvtheace · · Score: 1

    That's what it is, innit?

  182. Telephone net for computers by Tanuki64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's how I tried to explained the internet to my mother. Each Computer has a telephone number (= IP number), which can be used by computers to call one or more other computers (single call, conference call). WWW is just a way how they talk to one another, when they are connected. Surely not more correct than the series of tubes, but it was good enough for her.

  183. It's an electronic bridge to just about anywhere by SuhlScroll · · Score: 1

    Someone should tell Ted "I love that pork! Oink! Oink!" Stevens that the Internet is more like an electronic bridge to anywhere as opposed to a $300 million dollar physical bridge to nowhere.

  184. Obligatory Simspson's Quote by wolf369T · · Score: 0

    Oh, they have Internet on computers now...

  185. Slashdotting Google by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    Personally, I liked the Coral Cache helpfulness in the original submission, just in case Slashdot Slashdots Google. Having just re-read what I just wrote I have to wonder what language I'm writing.

  186. Laymans deff for internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The internet in 4 words:
    Computers communicating with eachother.

    It may not be quite accurate but anyone who's ever heard of a computer can understand that sentence. That is if they speak english.

    Gehan G.

  187. The Web by clockinreverse · · Score: 1

    Seems to me we already have a decent laymans term for the internet. The web, or to be more exact a "Spiders Web."

  188. definition of the Internet by marco75 · · Score: 1

    The Internet is a global network of computers, like the telephone network. Simple.

  189. Missing the point. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    "The Internet is like a magazine on your TV screen! --A magazine with billions of pages, some of which even include sounds and video! Readers of the Internet use a special pointing device to select words and pictures on the screen which can instantly open up new pages. Any page on the Internet can connect to any other page, making the Internet one of the most powerful and exciting media experiences ever!"

    Most people here seem to believe that the actual mechanics of the internet are important to the layperson. Nope. Exclamation points, however. . .


    -FL

  190. Life is a highway... by Duggeek · · Score: 1

    ...but the Internet is something entirely different.

    With all due respect to former Vice President Al Gore, the “superhighway” analogy was thin at best.

    Senator Stevens took a stance for all that is “layman” by stating, “It's a series of tubes.” His statement brings to light the genuine need for a layman's understanding for the greatest collaborative network known to human-kind.

    Perhaps we should start there; a collaborative network. That's just a general sentiment for what the Internet really is, because it doesn't just let people collaborate. It also lets us compete-with, share, ridicule, praise, shame, acknowledge, threaten and even enlighten others.

    We should make a distinction between the “Web” and the “'Net”, because one is a part of the other. The “Web” is just the part of the Internet that we access with a Web Browser, even to include all the rich media content we enjoy every day. The Internet goes much, much further than that.

    The Internet is e-mail. The Internet is 'chat'. The Internet is online gaming. The Internet is merchantibility. The Internet is news. The Internet is business. The Internet is government by self-rule. Yes indeed, the Internet is also a tremendous conveyor for pornographic media. The Internet is many things to many people, but then again, just what is it?

    What I noticed on the Google page was a plethora of technical definitions, focusing on the nuts-and-bolts that make the Internet work. That said, it still isn't enough to really define the Internet, is it? I mean, there's more to your iPod than some miniaturized electronics, a small LCD screen and a hard drive, yeah?

    The Internet must be something more than what we can tangibly see and touch. It's more than T-1, more than fiber, more than bridges and routers and hubs. (oh my!)

    I seem to be failing at the “succinct” part, here. Still, considering all that's been covered to this point, there must be words “big” enough, yet simple enough for anyone to easily grasp.

    Here are my humble attempts to name the Un-nameable:

    Communication (pure and simple)
    Connections (abstract, but to the point)
    A Portal (yeah, vague)
    The Presence of Remote Information (maybe that's just the Web)
    The Human Connection (too much like a slogan?)

    This is no easy task, (whatever you others might think) and may—IMHO—require the invention of new words, or new semantics for existing words. Hey, we've done it before!

    I've always admired Marshall McLuhan for his philosophies, and insight into the modern age. His book, The Medium Is The Massage (sic) he basically predicts the emergence of computing and networks, as “an extension of the mind”.

    McLuhan was thought esoteric, but also coined the term, “global village”. The idea is that, the great idea to connect human ideas (the Internet) will ultimately bring the human culture full-circle to a borderless tribal-state.

    Is that it, then? Maybe it's more philosophical than practical, but I think The Great Idea to Connect Human Ideas puts it together nicely. After all, I guess it answers the fundamental question.

    What is the internet?
    The Great Idea to Connect Human Ideas
    Well, what does it do?
    It connects.

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  191. what it is by mrmort · · Score: 0

    the Internet is a huge flying mechanical bird. Call me paranoid if you want.

  192. if the Internet is a model train set... by corbettw · · Score: 1, Funny

    Then is MySpace a model train wreck?

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  193. Warriors of the Net by FauxReal · · Score: 1

    Whatever you do, don't show anyone Warriors of the Net: http://www.warriorsofthe.net/

    Or maybe you should, everyone will enjoy the nap.

    1. Re:Warriors of the Net by Ceyarrecks · · Score: 1

      this particular video is useful in getting the neophyte to understand basic networking and the Internet. It seems the senator falls into the neophyte category based on his obviously having watched THIS (at times corny) video.

  194. Definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Internet enables any computer with an Internet address to send whatever information it would like to any other computer with an Internet address.

  195. Post office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always found the post office metaphor quite suitable for the internet. You can even explain IP-addresses and protocol layers with it! (with address labels and envelopes inside envelopes.)
    So an automated electronic post office it is. Except people might get anxious about mixing up the internet protocol and actual email.

  196. Too simple by asosan · · Score: 1

    Internet (or internetwork) is a network.

  197. Re:No it's not. How do you think the web was born? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internet is for porn - there, fixed for you.

    So... A series of boobs?
  198. A way to deliver information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Elevator pitch
    "The Internet" basically refers to the fact that our computers are all hooked up by some huge network designed to allow just about any computer to access just about any other computer. This network allows us to exchange information with each other, and there isn't just one way to do it.

    "Before the Internet" we were connected by messengers, postal service, UPS/FedEx/etc, telephones, and books. These were all different ways we could communicate with each other indirectly (not face-to-face). With the Internet, we can send messages to other people (IM or e-mail) -- effectively an alternative for phone and mail, and we can write and publish or read material -- effectively an alternative to books, magazines, and newspapers.

    Because you asked...
    Just as nobody owns the "old ways of communicating" -- nobody ows the exclusive right to bring a package to your home or your business (with some exceptions, like first class mail), or the exclusive right to sell paper with words on them at a newstand -- nobody really owns the Internet (again with some exceptions). Just as we can take on any roles in "the real world" (a consumer, a producer of goods or entertainment, a business owner, a business-to-business business owner), we can take on whatever role we want on the Internet. We can simply use it to access information or we can become "business owners" and create sites that provide some sort of service to others, or we can contribute to the network by dragging wires (or wireless) to places the Internet hasn't reached.

  199. Porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    N/T

  200. It's what he said after "tubes" that was wrong by KitsuneSoftware · · Score: 1

    "A series of tubes" isn't to daft a description (electricity, also flowing in wires, often has water pressure==voltage and current==flow rate as an analogy). The problem was everything else he said. Tubes empty themselves, trucks don't. Tubes leak/break (packet loss) far more often than trucks get stolen or break down explosively. Trucks also get delayed by too much traffic. Obviously there are flaws with the "tubes" analogy (like WiFi, which would have to be a magic invisible intangible tube that connects itself to your computer), but for the layman, it's not that bad.

    1. Re:It's what he said after "tubes" that was wrong by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I agree completely. A dolt he may be, but the "tubes" description itself wasn't bad. After all, do we not (at least if you've ever been a network engineer) call a fast connection a big pipe? The Internet, from a layman's eye view, is a great deal like a water system (or sewage system, if you will ).

      It can be re-routed around breaks, it can get clogged up in parts if you try to run too much through it at once. Leaks (packet loss), as you said.

      I have no respect for Ted "Bridge to Nowhere" Stevens, but the tubes thing was actually not unreasonable.

  201. one-word definition of the net by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

    goatse. Because you can always go from point A to point B, whether you want to or not.

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  202. The internet is ... by ErGalvao · · Score: 1

    ... a place where you can find lots of music, tv series episodes and nude chix.
    (Sorry, just couldn't resist. There goes my Karma...)

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  203. A Postal Servuce Run By Cookie Monsters by davidpfarrell · · Score: 1

    Okay I've been giving it some thought I think a great (hopefully humorous) way to describe the internet is :

    The Internet is a Postal Service run by Cookie Monsters, where all the messages you send are written on cookies. The cookies are too small to hold all but the smallest of messages, so you have to send messages on multiple cookies (data packets). The post office tries to determine the most efficient route to get your cookie to its destination (routers, hops, etc.). Thing is, the Cookie Monsters spend long hours shuffling your messages around and sometimes get hungry and eat some of the cookies (packet loss). Depending on the importance of your messages, you may have to develop techniques to combat the possible eating of your cookies (TCP vs UDP, etc).

    I've seen many posts trying to associate the Internet with highways and such, but I think the tagging and routing performed by the postal service might be a closer match. And nobody seems to address the idea of packet loss, i.e. the carrier just giving up on your packet and having it completely dissapear without warning or notice. That is why I chose a Postal Service run by Cookie Monsters.

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  204. International network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that links computers together, which allows the sharing of information between said computers.

  205. Re:A Postal Service Run By Cookie Monsters by davidpfarrell · · Score: 1

    My apologies for the mispellings in the parent, especially in the title. Just goes to show that my tagline applies to all people, even its creator.

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  206. Analogy by OMG · · Score: 1

    The internet is to computers like the air is to free speech.
    Air does not care who or about what you want to communicate with others. It just transports the sound waves from you to others and vice versa.
    That's the internet job for PC and devices as well.

  207. one word describes it fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    shithole.

    seriously, go through irc chatlogs or old BBS archives, or fanfiction, or 4chan.

    and then look at all the fanbases, fetishes, and "subcultures" that exist online.

    then the porn, and all the fucked up porn.

    then myspace and yahoo chats and second life.

    then look at games like WoW.

    look at all the antisocial psychopaths online.

    then weigh all that in with what's sane and normal.

  208. Simple enough... by Archtech · · Score: 1

    The Internet means two main things.

    1. As a thing, it is the worldwide network that interconnects almost all of the smaller networks run by corporations, governments, and even families.

    2. As a standard, it denotes the set of rules that have been adopted by most network owners, thus allowing all their networks to talk to one another (and a huge variety of software applications to use those networks).

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  209. Definition by styryx · · Score: 1

    The internet is the truest form of Democracy the world has ever seen. It is a microcosm of society, with all its good and all its bad. Every voice is as relevant as the next and no-one gets preference; from paupers to presidents, simpletons to scholars, all can debate on the world stage of this epic public forum, and share knowledge in the greatest public library any of us will ever know.

    Whether through tubes or lines; under sea of through the sky, the technicalities of the information exchange are accessible to all; there is no reason to be a laymen anymore, why would you want to be? It is the idea of the internet that has made it what it is: It is fair and harsh, dirty and beautiful; no better homage to humanity will exist, because for all of the lies and scandal it is laced with, no truer representation of 'us', the people, can happen. Because only on the internet are we all equal, and judged on our merits and contributions alone.

    Peace out

  210. The internet is a network! by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

    If the internet is a bunch of tubes (carrying data), then I guess that'd make the PC that all the data pours into a bucket, right? Or maybe PC's are kitchen sinks that can both hold the water that might come rushing up the drain (yech), or source it from the tap?

    It seems that in 2007 people CAN deal with the concept of "computer" rather than having to be told it's a bucket or sink. Most people are of course clueless about what's in a computer how it does what it does, but no moreso than they are about their TV or microwave oven.

    So... I say call the internet a "network". People have them in the office, and can generally grok what they do - connect stuff up and transport data. So what if people are unaware of TCP/IP, SMTP, HTTP, routers, etc... they can still grasp the more abstract concept of network, and realize that it's not a tube anymore than a PC isn't a bucket.

  211. Würst by Jeppe+Utzon · · Score: 2, Funny

    The internet is like a sausage - except different...

  212. Best Definition I Could Think Of by What+Is+Dot · · Score: 1

    The Internet is the largest possible computer network technology will allow. ...or a series of copper tubes...

  213. Its the rules, stupid by poppycock · · Score: 1

    "The Internet" is a set of rules that allow people to communicate using computers.

  214. Nah... by Mad-Bassist · · Score: 1

    He just thinks the country is "going down the tubes!"

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    1. Re:Nah... by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      Can't have a country clogging the tubes! Better send in some more lotto balls to clear it out.

  215. A Succinct Definition of the Internet? by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 1

    the Internet: the global-scale counterexample of the notion of "intellectual property".

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  216. "A series of..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...Wires connecting a lot of computers."

    Sooo, you're saying that the wirelessly connected computer I'm posting this from isn't on the internet?

    Concept != implementation

    1. Re:"A series of..." by spiritraveller · · Score: 1

      "Sooo, you're saying that the wirelessly connected computer I'm posting this from isn't on the internet?"

      No. It's an analogy. Read the whole post.

      I'll grant that it's not the best analogy that anyone came up with, but that's all it is.

      Jeez, geeks and their devotion to pedantic detail.

  217. Internet Definition by StormReaver · · Score: 1

    I would define it as a global Interlinked network of computers, but I'm no rocket scientist....

  218. Phone Lines by jonadab · · Score: 1

    In my Introduction to the Internet course, I tell people that the internet is basically made out of phone lines.

    The purpose of a phone line is to carry information from point A to point B, and that's what the internet does. Furthermore, the internet uses largely the *same set* of phone lines that is also used when you make a phone call.

    It's not all the same kind of residential phone line that you use at your house, of course. The phone companies have various types of lines, some of which can carry a lot more information that the basic line you use for one phone. They aren't all copper, either: there are fibre optic lines, satellite links, and so forth. And there's a lot of switching and routing equipment involved, connecting the various lines together.

    But in principle it's pretty much phone lines.

    Of course, when we call it "the internet" instead of just saying "phone lines", we usually mean that _computers_ are using the lines to exchange information. What's special about computers? They're flexible. A telephone can use the lines to send and receive one kind of information in exactly one way -- a phone call. A fax machine too can use the same lines to send and receive one kind of information in exactly one way -- a black and white image of a piece of paper with stuff on it. Computers, however, are general-purpose devices. Rather than having their one thing they can do hardwired into them, they are designed to read and follow sets of instructions (which we call "software"). Thus, by using different software, you can get the computer to do different things, so it can use the internet in different ways, to exchange different kinds of information.

    (Then I talk about how email is like a letter or a phone call, in that it's person-to-person (generally); whereas, the web is more like a book or a newspaper or a magazine, in that someone publishes the content and then anyone can read it. Then most of the rest of the course is spent on the web.)

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  219. A Formal Definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internet = 42

  220. The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Internet is a system that connects computers from all over the world. It is designed to make it so that even if individual computers go down, it does not make the entire internet available. Common uses of the Internet are e-mail, looking at web sites, digital phone conversations and exchanging computer files.

  221. Locality by 0137 · · Score: 1

    The Internet is the part of your computer that is non-local.

  222. Succinct definition of the Internet? That's easy. by jimfrost · · Score: 1

    "Mostly harmless."

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  223. The Biggest Internet in the world by pschicago · · Score: 1

    One of those Google definitions linked to in the original story says "The Internet is the biggest Internet in the world." I used to write TV News. Once, in the mid 90s, I wrote a story that mentioned the Internet. The producer changed it to "a computer network." I'm glad that doesn't happen anymore.

  224. LOL by zoomshorts · · Score: 1

    You are still using TWO WIRES :P

  225. The Internet =/ The Web by ukemike · · Score: 1

    The internet is most of the computers of the world connected together. The internet is NOT the web. It is NOT email. Just like your computer is not MS Word. The web and email are things you can do with the internet just like word processing is something you can do with your computer.

    I actually don't think that TCP/IP matters much in the definition of the internet anymore. Someday it is likely that we will adopt a new and hopefully improved protocol, and people will still call 'it' the internet.

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  226. def'n by KiwiCanuck · · Score: 1

    The internet is a medium for communication. Dare I say/requote "the medium is the message" -Marshall McLuhan.

  227. Tubes?! by Anivair · · Score: 1

    How hard is this? The internet is a collection of connected computers. the "tubes" are irrelevant. My network cable is not the internet. My computer, however, is part of it.

  228. This seems simple. It's one big damn network. by njfuzzy · · Score: 1

    A network is a collection of connected devices. An internet is the overall collection of all of the connected networks and devices. The Internet is the overall collection of electronic networks and devices using common networking protocols. Or, you could say that The Internet is all of the devices using IP networking (though I know that's nominally circular) that are connected in some way to the majority of other such devices. An Internet is what happens once networks become so ubiquitous that they aren't distinct from one another. It isn't a collection of ideas, or a movement, or a Zeitgeist. Those are roles that it happens to fill (or some think it does), not its definition.

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    1. Re:This seems simple. It's one big damn network. by njfuzzy · · Score: 1

      That would have looked a lot less insane with line breaks, huh?
      Another way to look at it is like this:
      Organism : ecosystem : The Ecosystem
      Device : Network : The Internet

      It's the one big damn network made up of all of the other little networks.

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  229. Advisers vs deciders by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    I think the root of what you are saying goes back to a fundamental difference between experts and decision makers. The experts job is to inform the deciders so that they can make an informed choice. Not every choice, that goes against the wisdom of the experts, is necessarily wrong. Often times experts have a narrow focus on their area of expertise, we often need to make decisions based upon the whole picture. If they deciders make a decision based upon incomplete knowledge, more often than not its because there has been a break down in communication between them and the experts. But, I as I wonder now, How do we improve that communication with out resorting to lobbyists?

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  230. the internet? by europa+universalis · · Score: 1

    It's just the phone, really.

  231. Cans and strings by wavefreak · · Score: 1

    Alot of the responses show thought and intelligence, but the essential point is being missed. We are talking about laymen. I think the majority of people don't really care what the internet is and the best approach to this is a good analogy. Like this one: Remember tin cans and string? For those don't know, take two tin cans, punch a hole in the bottoms and thread a string between the two. Stretch it tight and talk into one can while your friend holds the other to his ear. Magic! Voice transmission over string! Well the internet, from the users perspective at least, is little different. Imagine everywhere you go there are cans connected with string. Only the cans are special - they have displays and key boards, and they do fancy stuff like play games and balance your check book. And the strings are all those fiber cables and stuff. Who cares about who ties the knots and keeps the strings untangled (ISPs, DNS, routers, blah, blah). I just want my can to work when I need it. Cans and string. That's all it is.

  232. Unfortunately... by qazxswedc · · Score: 1

    no one can be told what the internet is. They must see it for themselves. No? How 'bout "A more wretched hive of scum and villainy you will not find anywhere in the universe." Mostly harmless?

  233. The internet for laypeople by nelsonal · · Score: 1

    The internet is a network that facilitates communication between any two points on the network as if they were near each other.

    The problem with Sen Stephens' description is the claim that it's not a big truck (implying that the internet could easily get clogged by too much data flowing through it).

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  234. The internet is by highlander76 · · Score: 1

    The internet is all things to all people. It is a friend, a lover, a teacher, an entertainer, a frustration, an escape, a supermarket, a community, a church, a workplace, etc. But mostly it is a source for porn, conspiracy theories and pictures of kittens.

  235. Apples, oranges and plums by smallpaul · · Score: 1

    Are you looking for a definition of the Internet, a description of the Internet or an analogy for the Internet? Those are three different things.

    The definition is fairly easy: "The dominant global network of interconnected computers."

  236. Does it matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Anyone left in the world who doesn't know what the Internet is, is either:
    1. Living in an impoverished region, and probably doesn't care what it is.
    2. Living under a rock, and probably doesn't care what it is.
    3. Under the age of 3, and will be surfing it more adeptly than you by age 5.
  237. Uh Okay, But First... by bratwiz · · Score: 1



    What's a good technical definition of a "Layman"??? :)

  238. Its Fucking Magic by bratwiz · · Score: 1

    THE INTERNET

    Its fucking magic, that's what it is!

    Shit goes in over here and comes out over there.

    How it gets from here to there I haven't got the foggiest damn clue but its cool as hell and that's all I care and I know I want more of it.

    But why can't my friend in Milwaukee send me a beer?

    Thats what I really want to know.

  239. Internet Defintion by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

    The Internet - A general purpose wide area network composed of computers communicating with the IPv4 protocol at the network layer.

  240. What ever happened... by cberman · · Score: 1

    ...to the "Information Super Highway?" This was the term I first heard when I read about the internet....you know, Al Gore invented it.

  241. My def. by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

    the Internet : global exchange of ideas :: air : talking

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  242. Oh, that's easy... by ElboRuum · · Score: 1

    Internet (pron. in'-tur-net'') - n. - colloquial: teh internets

    1. The worldwide decentralized system of networked computers and similarly enabled electronic devices linked together via various protocols which permit the transmission of packets of data from one device to any other or combinations of others, and whose system of data routing permits data to be transmitted over alternate linkages should elements of the network fail.

    2. An experiment which has dismally answered the question, once and for all, of what would happen when you give just about every idiot in the world a megaphone.

  243. The Internet is mass-consciousness transcribed by passionfruit · · Score: 1

    The Internet is mass consciousness transcribed to a language-based or electronic form. It is both an extension as well as a representation of human intellect. It goes beyond being a mere mirror of global sentiment - in time it will represent, at least partially, an emerging understanding of a phenomenon increasingly known as collective, global or mass consciousness and thought. A good way to think of it is the collective thought of mankind presented both in real time and cumulative forms.

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  244. Is it that hard? by NerveGas · · Score: 1

    "Where porn comes from."

        Everyone will know what you're talking about.

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  245. The Internet is a man-made Universe by bigchrissd · · Score: 1

    The Internet is a purely man-made Universe, typically accessed via computers, whose only limitation is man's own imagination.

  246. The Internet is the sum of human thought by passionfruit · · Score: 1

    The Internet is actually the sum of collective human thought, or mass consciousness, translated into a readable form, stored and transmitted electronically. If you think about it, its more than just electronic. It blurs the boundary between thought, words, and communication. It's global mass conciousness transcribed.

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  247. It's an enigma by BigMTBrain · · Score: 1

    The Internet is the Universe's highest form of evolution to date (as far as Earth-bound humans can discern). It is the continuation of the exponential growth of information processing and awareness which began with the interactions of prebiotic compounds on up through the human brain and all of its inventions. The Internet is an emergent phenomenon which cannot be succinctly described as our minds truly are not capable of grasping what is truly happening at this next emergent level. As neurons in a brain are neither aware of nor can describe or understand the mind which emerges from their interactions, so too can human minds not be aware of nor can describe or understand the completeness of the Internet which emerges from their interactions. We, our personal computers, gadgets, and each processing node on the Internet can be likened as the Internet's relatively "dumb" neurons and it is the interactions of these elements that cause the emergence of something far beyond our comprehension. Sure, we created it, we use it, and it serves us, but when you think of the grand scale of the flow of information and the interactions of the cooperative parts it's not hard to analogize that our brains and many of its computing inventions have become the super smart neurons of an even bigger brain. Is the Internet aware? Does any one of your neurons know that you are aware, have emotions, hopes, and dreams... that you conceive of you self as a human, a live sentient being? Within these question lay the emergent mystery of what the Internet truly is. That said, if you're looking for a nuts and bolts description then I would say that the internet is a growing, boundless and massively parallel information processing system. Ooops! That leads directly back to the analogy: a brain is likewise a massively parallel information processing system, but... it is bounded--it only has so many neurons to work with. In contrast, the count of the Internet's higher-level "neurons" and processing capacity grows by the second. Not only that, but many of its secondary neurons (computers, gadgets, servers, switches, etc.) that where created by it's primary neurons (us) are growing in speed, capacity, and intelligence. These too will eventually create the next generation of Internet neurons that will be faster and better in all respects than its creators. The Internet is far more than what meets the human eye or even the human brain and will only continue to become more so. Therefore, the Internet is truly an enigma, albeit most commonly unrecognized as such.

  248. That Was The Net That Was by jman.org · · Score: 1

    The Internet is just like TV, only you have a lot more channels.

    The Internet is just like a telephone, because sometimes you can talk back.

    The Internet is just like a grocery store that offers delivery.

    The Internet is just like a neighborhood graffiti wall, available to all who care to use it.

    In short, the Internet is a way to interact with the world, without leaving your house.

  249. My take by Walter+Carver · · Score: 1
    I am sure that there will be much more robust explenations, but this my take:

    The Internet is a number of computers that talk to each other around the globe. There are rules and protocols that guide this communication. Some computers are small like the one that you have on your desk, and some are poweful and big enough to fill a room.

    Usually we, with our small computers, want something from the big ones. We either want to get information or store on them information. The party that begins the communication is called a client. The other party is called a server.

    The Internet can be experienced in many ways. The web and e-mail is two most frequent ones, but they are not the only.

    There are many reasons why a company would be interested to make information avaibale on the Internet. The most common one is projection. Some companies like Yahoo and Google have a profit of offering free services, like e-mail and web-search, because of advertising. It's not accurate but some innacuracy can save a ton of explenations (it's a famous quote)
  250. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 1

    The Internet is like the Interstate Highways. Except, instead of people in vehicles going to places, data in packets go to clients.

  251. Gibson's definition by freeAgent · · Score: 1

    I prefer William Gibson's definition of /cyberspace/, from his novel "Neuromancer" (1984): "A consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of legitimate operators, in every nation, by children being taught mathematical concepts...A graphical representation of data abstracted from the banks of every computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Lines of light receding in the non-space of the mind, clusters and constellations of data. Like city lights, receding..." Not that this matches today's Internet, but we are getting closer...

  252. Internet - do not mix cows and cowboys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Internet is a technical means (how to share information - and it is why all definitions are so technical).

    And it (the Interent) should not be taken for (understand as) the content which is available over this means.

    [[See as example at a wiki and the Wikipedia - a technial means and the content hosted on it]]