In my experiance Debs and rpms are very simmilar functionality wise , the only reason i use debian based distros is because of the maturity of apt-get and dselect , whilst yum and apt for rpm are still fairly new and don't have nearly as many respositorys.
It would be nice to see a convergence between.deb and.rpm so that they are completly interchangable , Alien works fairly well at converting rpms to.deb and i seldom need to alter things by hand.
I think the main confusion alot of folks have is confusing.deb as in the packages with apt-get and dselect .
probably should say i mean companys that charge for support subscriptions as opposed to per incident , but in the bussiness world paying per incident is possibly not the best idea as its alot more expensive.
this is exactly why i am a hugh proponent of free open source software. i still need to use alot of propritery software for work(alot less than 5 years ago , even a fair bit less than 2 years ago)though but its becoming easier to use open source software for most things.
If your bussiness model is built around the suport of the software as oposed to the sale of the software itself, the drive is to produce the best and most stable software you can to reduce support incidents.
If you live on selling the software then backporting features and bug fixes is counter productive to your business model.
Well , its an open implementation of the beOS windows manager for haiku which has steadily been moving forward for the past while. I feel the error was in focusing on the window manager alone , though for those with intrest in haiku this is big news.
It means we are one step closer to having a beOS-alike which is both free and open
Personaly i am not that big a fan of BeOS but its still intresting to see how the project is progressing. If haiku delivers all of its goals it will make a nice easy alternative desktop OS for us to consider using. Variety as they say is the spice of life
I certainly hope they get taken to court over this,as certainly they have no bussiness making an AV product(anti spyware also). This has anti-trust suit written all over it.
For one its going to kill many AV companys(and not in the way i had hoped for..as in no viruses )and Its a license to say "Oh no security risk here , its coverd by our virus detection".
The european courts have so far stuck to their guns over the previous Anti trust suit and i hope this ones goes through fast aswell . the US courts will hopefully also see this as a very big problem and move towards litegation.
Companys can not be allowed to get away with such obviously unethical behaviour. It sets a really bad example and it cites precident for other companys to do the same.
I see this got moderated a troll for some god unknown reason. Ok i better fill it out a little
Microsoft develop an operating system with bugs which allow worms and viruses and trojans to propagate. Microsoft then continue to build an anti virus system to either sell with or give away with the system. It is not a troll its a statment of fact , this is a conflict of intrests. It would be better if they give it away for free but then that is incredibly anti-competitive and a conflict of intrests still to a lesser degree though. if they sell it then they are creating a conflict of intrests because fixing bugs in their OS then becomes something which could detract from sale of the anti virus software. it is a conflict of intrests plain and simple , i do not say this to troll only to point out that this is very much an unethical practice.
I suppose your right , I guess i am rather bitter with that whole MGS2 thing hee and countless albums out there i bought weeks before a new version sprung with more tracks. I still feel my origional point holds some water , but i think i may be comming around to your way of thinking about it. I do feel though that they should offer it as a trade in to purchasers of the origional with a nominal charge (like 10 or 14USD) for an upgrade , that would restore alot of my faith in the publisher(i wasn't really meaning to get at the developers here , only the publishers)
I agree , I have owned every single nintendo console since the famicon/nes (yes i even have a Virtual boy sitting somewhere) , nintendo have a good healthy market like apple , They are not at the forefront with market dominance (since the days of the snes) anymore but they still have a very solid niche market. I can honestly say i bought the DS for pure nostaliga regions (i wanted to play a mobile version of mario 64) but i am staying for the unique gameplay (yoshi touch and go is alot of fun and the mini games in mario 64 ds are a hell of alot of fun). I think sony may take a large portion of the handheld market though as the psp is a really great system and deserves it , but nintendo are not going anywhere for the foreseeable future atleast. Sony hasn't tapped into the nostalgia thing that nintendo has and the psp/ps2 ps3 will not really atract the parents as much (well unless they play it themselves). So i agree totaly nintendo has its place. the competition for the big spot is currently between sony and MS , I am hedging my bets towards sony this time around. Unless the reveloution really does as it says on the box then nintendo will take a solid third . MS will buy 2nd and sony will earn 1st. Though looking at the recent specs for the nintendo Rev.. i think its fair to say they do have a good chance if they get the games out there. *Removes pundits hat* I just want some great new systems to waste some time on when im off work , So however delivers the best systems with the best games is the console im going for
I agree with you. In many of the former soviet block and other easter european countrys it is not illegal,yet they see fit to violate their countrys laws instead of taking a more sencible legal aproach.
I think its about a cult of personality really,they want their 5 minutes of fame and they want total controll.The truth will hit them hard if they are target and made an example of.
I am not supporting or critisizing the downloading of potential copyright infringing materials here , that is a moot point here. Its about simple commen sense , if you are doing something which could potentialy get you in trouble you should take all the messure you can to reduce the risk to yourself or your members.
I do the same thing for TV shows , Though movies are generaly easily avaliable in english in most shops , though you need to be carefull as some of them are only in german (media-markt seems to have a fair few which are in German only). the reason i download movies is exactly the same as you , i cant sit through a Dubbed movie , it totaly breaks the immersion for me. So i have to download some things (which i have always later bought on amazon either native (if multi-linugal ) or from the UK.
I download cartoons alot especialy the simpsons and family guy (of which i own every DVD released so far ) but i am not willing to wait for 1-12(in the case of the simpsons) years for them to come out here.
I do not really know anyone who would consider it really that wrong. Either they can speed up and get some form of distribution up which i will pay for (i like to support the continuation of shows/music/ films i enjoy) or they can lose my custom for a few years till they do decide to release it.
I was thinking along those lines. but then i got to thinking they would just be denying themselves a large important avenue.
They may get lost amongst the rush but they could still fix that in the period following the holiday seasons with a tripple A title or some new gadget for the Reveloution.
I do agree with the cnet artical that nintendo are going to miss a major sale period here if it is not out till 2006 but they may as of yet pull it forward.
Looks like they are taking a leaf out of the mac minis book with the form factor,Which is a very good thing as we don't need another loud large monster console. Its wonderfull they have confrimed backwards compatability which will be very important in giving them a good start with a cataloug of games though they may be missing out here if they don't include some form of DVD playback. I have argued a few times that its not the features that sell a console but the games , but all things being equal otherwise the features can make or break the sale.
I am awaiting news of the conectivity with the DS , this is pure idle speculation.Though let me put my pundit hat on , besides the normal conectivity ala the GBA and the gamecube i suspect the reveloution may have the ability to download the data from the cards and allow you to play GBA or DS games on the big screen using the DS as a wireless controler (with the touch pad screen perhaps still working as normal ) and perhaps multi player DS games can be played with Reveloution controlers for some titles which dont have a touch screen (unless nintendo take a leaf out of the dreamcasts book and include a screen on the controler , albeit with touch pad functionality. That is pure idle speculation though;) so dont cite me on it.
That is called resonible disclosure. Most developers have a policy one way or the other on it. I tend to prefer to give them some time to attempt a patch before disclosures, and 10 days is rather fair. It beats the alternatives of either instant disclosure and allowing the black hats a good head start on exploits,or waiting too long before disclosure which will have the same effect as its bound to leak one way or the other but admins wont know about it till its much too late.
Discount price will be most likely 30 or so(the other platimum series type prices) , which is still a fair bit of money for a game which you may have already bought for 60 or so.
My point was more that the practice is rahter un-toward . you still in essence have to pay for much of the same thing , even if you are fan its highly annoying. Sure you can get stuff over a live service (if you pay for that) which is fair enough.
I admit i am no fan of rehases and whilst its good they are charging a cut back rate it still annoys me that this goes on to this day. I suppose its fair enough though as people do buy these things. I just think their energys could be better served making a new game , or even the next ninja gaiden game ( i did enjoy the origional ninja gaiden games way back when).
you are aware it most likely never actualy happend and is a simple myth (many other cultures have simmilar storys) also http://www.mythome.org/environ.html there are also two versions of the story , one by his enemys (the one which i cited ) and the one by his freinds , it has nothing to do with class. So infact both are right and both are fables. There is no evidence to support either having actualy occured. So those who know the historic facts are in the know that it was a myth
What we have is a full price patch with a few extras. I got rather irritated when they did the same thing with metal gear Solid 2. It got re-released with a bunch of extra cool gameplay modes that really did make the game alot more solid , unfortnatly i had already paid for the first release so i missed out on some great new additions , though eventaly a freind bought it so i got to borrow the game later.
The same thing hapens all the time with CDs a few months later from the initial release the Record company will rerelease it with some extra tracks on it and the only way to get those tracks would be to pay full price again for the CD you already bought,This ticks off fans.
So the people who got it early or recently purchased the game will feel rather annoyed that they just paid 40-50 or 60 for the game and find out now that an improved version of the same game is going to be released soon.
I wonder if they would consider a free upgrade program or for a nominal charge for people who already bought it... I very much doubt it.
Few years back , the common consensus was that the next step in human eveloution would most likely be a second thumb on each hand for better manipulation of object. We had a long debate about what may follow , a few people suspected increased brain capacity as highly likely and a continuation in the trend for people to be slightly taller and have less hair. We decided not to count in any form of gene manipulation though , though it is highly likely that within the next hundred or so years it will likely become commenplace for people to be geneticaly enhanced from birth. So that could heavily alter our natural eveloution , guess we will just have to wait and see and hope we dont suffer a mass extinction along the way.Otherwise the apes will be studying us and charlston heaston will have to take ages to realise he landed on earth in the distant future again
Did canute not at first belive because he was king he was all powerfull till after the story abotu King canute and the tide where he learnt humility or am i confusing two difrent story? Which is possible as i havnt read it for about 12 years
I apoligise , i ment to direct that at the grandparent , i was agreeing with you . Again i appoligise if it sounded like i was directing that at you(not that i was really attacking the grandparent more just disagreeing in a normaly way ).
Intrestingly also with this action on these sites of which i am sure some will close down soon perhaps. They will most likely shoot up in memberships,with storys like this as people will flock to see what the fuss is about and the advertisers will be happpy. The site owners if they are in the USA will abandon the site money in hand after remove the offending torrents. Outside the USA they will laugh and thank the MPAA for the directed bussiness. Its a war they cant win unless they change tactics drasticly
I have only ever had a problem with one zonk posted story and and i did question it and from what i can tell he is very open to suggestions. I personly find this story intresting , don't know if its a dupe nor do i care(the only people who care about it being a dupe are the ones who have already read it , the others get an opertunity to discuss something they missed, and they ahve been rather good in avoiding dupes this past week or so).
On the issue "The MPAA claims that since it began action against torrent sites, the amount of time required to download a pirated file has increased "exponentially." " *cough*sckollob*cough* , All the MPAA chasing after random sites has done is move people to new pastures , they kill one torrent site and another three pop up in various locations , it has exponentialy increased anon trackers and sites which link to external torrents. I am no supporting or attacking people who choose to download Films. I am quite in support of TV downloads but that is another issue( i download alot of stuff from the UK and the USA which i dont get here in germany or its dubbed horribly , ala the simpsons and i do own every simpsons DVDs i just dont fancy waiting 5-14 years till it comes out on DVD to see it).
The MPAA and RIAA are begining to sound more and more like king Canute , You cant stop the tide . You either learn to work with it or you drown
No matter what your console extras have , And i predict the PS 3 will offer many of the same features as the Xbox 360 , The overridding succes factor is still based on two things , how cool your console is (draw in the casual crowd) and the quality of your games. The Xbox 360 has not even come close to wining on either front , Most of the buzz i hear from my freinds is not about the multi media capabilties its about having a rocking new version of Grand theft auto or other "Cool" titles. People buy consoles to play games , they may enjoy the extra stuff like DVD playing and music play-back but the over-riding fansination is still to have some great games you can play alone or have a few freinds over for a game and some beers.
the buzz i do hear recently has mostly been about the PSP or the DS , mainly arguments over "nostaliga about the old game & whatch " vs a Playstation you can carry around.
People do not buy a console based on what ever else it can do , they buy it for the games.No ammount of media hype will change that , The average man dosn't need or want a multi media soloution they want something to waste a few hours on when they get a chance to play some "wicked cool" game that they can later thrash their freinds at.
If chewbacca was on E star wars would have been rather difrent
Chewbacca : urgh rgh wuhh wuhh::: I love you vader man your my father too Vader: Bring me skywalker Chewbacca : urgh urgh wah wah urgh:: No man seriously i love you your like my brother and luke is like our son dude i love you lets dance Vader : i grow impatiant with you wookie Chewbacca : urgh urghhhhh: no dude seriously lets hug and let the love flow man Vader:*chops off chewbaccas head* Chewbacca: *last dealth gulp : ugrpp urpch wurf::: dude Harsh man
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In my experiance Debs and rpms are very simmilar functionality wise , the only reason i use debian based distros is because of the maturity of apt-get and dselect , whilst yum and apt for rpm are still fairly new and don't have nearly as many respositorys.
.deb and .rpm so that they are completly interchangable , Alien works fairly well at converting rpms to .deb and i seldom need to alter things by hand.
.deb as in the packages with apt-get and dselect .
It would be nice to see a convergence between
I think the main confusion alot of folks have is confusing
probably should say i mean companys that charge for support subscriptions as opposed to per incident , but in the bussiness world paying per incident is possibly not the best idea as its alot more expensive.
this is exactly why i am a hugh proponent of free open source software.
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i still need to use alot of propritery software for work(alot less than 5 years ago , even a fair bit less than 2 years ago)though but its becoming easier to use open source software for most things.
If your bussiness model is built around the suport of the software as oposed to the sale of the software itself, the drive is to produce the best and most stable software you can to reduce support incidents
If you live on selling the software then backporting features and bug fixes is counter productive to your business model.
Well , its an open implementation of the beOS windows manager for haiku which has steadily been moving forward for the past while.
I feel the error was in focusing on the window manager alone , though for those with intrest in haiku this is big news.
It means we are one step closer to having a beOS-alike which is both free and open
Personaly i am not that big a fan of BeOS but its still intresting to see how the project is progressing. If haiku delivers all of its goals it will make a nice easy alternative desktop OS for us to consider using.
Variety as they say is the spice of life
I certainly hope they get taken to court over this ,as certainly they have no bussiness making an AV product(anti spyware also). This has anti-trust suit written all over it .
..as in no viruses )and Its a license to say "Oh no security risk here , its coverd by our virus detection" .
For one its going to kill many AV companys(and not in the way i had hoped for
The european courts have so far stuck to their guns over the previous Anti trust suit and i hope this ones goes through fast aswell . the US courts will hopefully also see this as a very big problem and move towards litegation.
Companys can not be allowed to get away with such obviously unethical behaviour.
It sets a really bad example and it cites precident for other companys to do the same.
I see this got moderated a troll for some god unknown reason.
. . .
Ok i better fill it out a little
Microsoft develop an operating system with bugs which allow worms and viruses and trojans to propagate
Microsoft then continue to build an anti virus system to either sell with or give away with the system.
It is not a troll its a statment of fact , this is a conflict of intrests
It would be better if they give it away for free but then that is incredibly anti-competitive and a conflict of intrests still to a lesser degree though.
if they sell it then they are creating a conflict of intrests because fixing bugs in their OS then becomes something which could detract from sale of the anti virus software.
it is a conflict of intrests plain and simple , i do not say this to troll only to point out that this is very much an unethical practice
Conflict of intrests
I think "Requires IE 5.5 or better" is the strongest case we have against inteligent design on the internet
I suppose your right , I guess i am rather bitter with that whole MGS2 thing hee and countless albums out there i bought weeks before a new version sprung with more tracks.
I still feel my origional point holds some water , but i think i may be comming around to your way of thinking about it.
I do feel though that they should offer it as a trade in to purchasers of the origional with a nominal charge (like 10 or 14USD) for an upgrade , that would restore alot of my faith in the publisher(i wasn't really meaning to get at the developers here , only the publishers)
I agree , I have owned every single nintendo console since the famicon/nes (yes i even have a Virtual boy sitting somewhere) , nintendo have a good healthy market like apple , They are not at the forefront with market dominance (since the days of the snes) anymore but they still have a very solid niche market. . . . .
I can honestly say i bought the DS for pure nostaliga regions (i wanted to play a mobile version of mario 64) but i am staying for the unique gameplay (yoshi touch and go is alot of fun and the mini games in mario 64 ds are a hell of alot of fun). I think sony may take a large portion of the handheld market though as the psp is a really great system and deserves it , but nintendo are not going anywhere for the foreseeable future atleast.
Sony hasn't tapped into the nostalgia thing that nintendo has and the psp/ps2 ps3 will not really atract the parents as much (well unless they play it themselves)
So i agree totaly nintendo has its place
the competition for the big spot is currently between sony and MS , I am hedging my bets towards sony this time around.
Unless the reveloution really does as it says on the box then nintendo will take a solid third . MS will buy 2nd and sony will earn 1st
Though looking at the recent specs for the nintendo Rev.. i think its fair to say they do have a good chance if they get the games out there
*Removes pundits hat*
I just want some great new systems to waste some time on when im off work , So however delivers the best systems with the best games is the console im going for
I agree with you . ,yet they see fit to violate their countrys laws instead of taking a more sencible legal aproach .
,they want their 5 minutes of fame and they want total controll .The truth will hit them hard if they are target and made an example of.
In many of the former soviet block and other easter european countrys it is not illegal
I think its about a cult of personality really
I am not supporting or critisizing the downloading of potential copyright infringing materials here , that is a moot point here.
Its about simple commen sense , if you are doing something which could potentialy get you in trouble you should take all the messure you can to reduce the risk to yourself or your members.
I do the same thing for TV shows , Though movies are generaly easily avaliable in english in most shops , though you need to be carefull as some of them are only in german (media-markt seems to have a fair few which are in German only).
.
/music/ films i enjoy) or they can lose my custom for a few years till they do decide to release it.
the reason i download movies is exactly the same as you , i cant sit through a Dubbed movie , it totaly breaks the immersion for me.
So i have to download some things (which i have always later bought on amazon either native (if multi-linugal ) or from the UK.
I download cartoons alot especialy the simpsons and family guy (of which i own every DVD released so far ) but i am not willing to wait for 1-12(in the case of the simpsons) years for them to come out here
I do not really know anyone who would consider it really that wrong.
Either they can speed up and get some form of distribution up which i will pay for (i like to support the continuation of shows
I was thinking along those lines. but then i got to thinking they would just be denying themselves a large important avenue .
They may get lost amongst the rush but they could still fix that in the period following the holiday seasons with a tripple A title or some new gadget for the Reveloution.
I do agree with the cnet artical that nintendo are going to miss a major sale period here if it is not out till 2006 but they may as of yet pull it forward .
,Which is a very good thing as we don't need another loud large monster console.
.Though let me put my pundit hat on , besides the normal conectivity ala the GBA and the gamecube i suspect the reveloution may have the ability to download the data from the cards and allow you to play GBA or DS games on the big screen using the DS as a wireless controler (with the touch pad screen perhaps still working as normal ) and perhaps multi player DS games can be played with Reveloution controlers for some titles which dont have a touch screen (unless nintendo take a leaf out of the dreamcasts book and include a screen on the controler , albeit with touch pad functionality. ;) so dont cite me on it.
Looks like they are taking a leaf out of the mac minis book with the form factor
Its wonderfull they have confrimed backwards compatability which will be very important in giving them a good start with a cataloug of games though they may be missing out here if they don't include some form of DVD playback.
I have argued a few times that its not the features that sell a console but the games , but all things being equal otherwise the features can make or break the sale.
I am awaiting news of the conectivity with the DS , this is pure idle speculation
That is pure idle speculation though
That is called resonible disclosure. ,or waiting too long before disclosure which will have the same effect as its bound to leak one way or the other but admins wont know about it till its much too late .
Most developers have a policy one way or the other on it.
I tend to prefer to give them some time to attempt a patch before disclosures, and 10 days is rather fair.
It beats the alternatives of either instant disclosure and allowing the black hats
a good head start on exploits
Discount price will be most likely 30 or so(the other platimum series type prices) , which is still a fair bit of money for a game which you may have already bought for 60 or so.
.
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My point was more that the practice is rahter un-toward . you still in essence have to pay for much of the same thing , even if you are fan its highly annoying.
Sure you can get stuff over a live service (if you pay for that) which is fair enough
I admit i am no fan of rehases and whilst its good they are charging a cut back rate it still annoys me that this goes on to this day
I suppose its fair enough though as people do buy these things
I just think their energys could be better served making a new game , or even the next ninja gaiden game ( i did enjoy the origional ninja gaiden games way back when).
you are aware it most likely never actualy happend and is a simple myth (many other cultures have simmilar storys) . .
also http://www.mythome.org/environ.html
there are also two versions of the story , one by his enemys (the one which i cited ) and the one by his freinds , it has nothing to do with class.
So infact both are right and both are fables
There is no evidence to support either having actualy occured
So those who know the historic facts are in the know that it was a myth
What we have is a full price patch with a few extras .
,This ticks off fans .
.
I got rather irritated when they did the same thing with metal gear Solid 2.
It got re-released with a bunch of extra cool gameplay modes that really did make the game alot more solid , unfortnatly i had already paid for the first release so i missed out on some great new additions , though eventaly a freind bought it so i got to borrow the game later.
The same thing hapens all the time with CDs a few months later from the initial release the Record company will rerelease it with some extra tracks on it and the only way to get those tracks would be to pay full price again for the CD you already bought
So the people who got it early or recently purchased the game will feel rather annoyed that they just paid 40-50 or 60 for the game and find out now that an improved version of the same game is going to be released soon.
I wonder if they would consider a free upgrade program or for a nominal charge for people who already bought it... I very much doubt it
Few years back , the common consensus was that the next step in human eveloution would most likely be a second thumb on each hand for better manipulation of object. We had a long debate about what may follow , a few people suspected increased brain capacity as highly likely and a continuation in the trend for people to be slightly taller and have less hair. .Otherwise the apes will be studying us and charlston heaston will have to take ages to realise he landed on earth in the distant future again
We decided not to count in any form of gene manipulation though , though it is highly likely that within the next hundred or so years it will likely become commenplace for people to be geneticaly enhanced from birth.
So that could heavily alter our natural eveloution , guess we will just have to wait and see and hope we dont suffer a mass extinction along the way
Did canute not at first belive because he was king he was all powerfull till after the story abotu King canute and the tide where he learnt humility or am i confusing two difrent story? Which is possible as i havnt read it for about 12 years
I apoligise , i ment to direct that at the grandparent , i was agreeing with you . Again i appoligise if it sounded like i was directing that at you(not that i was really attacking the grandparent more just disagreeing in a normaly way ).
. ,with storys like this as people will flock to see what the fuss is about and the advertisers will be happpy. The site owners if they are in the USA will abandon the site money in hand after remove the offending torrents .
Intrestingly also with this action on these sites of which i am sure some will close down soon perhaps
They will most likely shoot up in memberships
Outside the USA they will laugh and thank the MPAA for the directed bussiness.
Its a war they cant win unless they change tactics drasticly
I have only ever had a problem with one zonk posted story and and i did question it and from what i can tell he is very open to suggestions .
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I personly find this story intresting , don't know if its a dupe nor do i care(the only people who care about it being a dupe are the ones who have already read it , the others get an opertunity to discuss something they missed, and they ahve been rather good in avoiding dupes this past week or so).
On the issue
"The MPAA claims that since it began action against torrent sites, the amount of time required to download a pirated file has increased "exponentially."
"
*cough*sckollob*cough* , All the MPAA chasing after random sites has done is move people to new pastures , they kill one torrent site and another three pop up in various locations , it has exponentialy increased anon trackers and sites which link to external torrents.
I am no supporting or attacking people who choose to download Films
I am quite in support of TV downloads but that is another issue( i download alot of stuff from the UK and the USA which i dont get here in germany or its dubbed horribly , ala the simpsons and i do own every simpsons DVDs i just dont fancy waiting 5-14 years till it comes out on DVD to see it).
The MPAA and RIAA are begining to sound more and more like king Canute , You cant stop the tide . You either learn to work with it or you drown
No matter what your console extras have , And i predict the PS 3 will offer many of the same features as the Xbox 360 , The overridding succes factor is still based on two things , how cool your console is (draw in the casual crowd) and the quality of your games .
.No ammount of media hype will change that , The average man dosn't need or want a multi media soloution they want something to waste a few hours on
The Xbox 360 has not even come close to wining on either front , Most of the buzz i hear from my freinds is not about the multi media capabilties its about having a rocking new version of Grand theft auto or other "Cool" titles.
People buy consoles to play games , they may enjoy the extra stuff like DVD playing and music play-back but the over-riding fansination is still to have some great games you can play alone or have a few freinds over for a game and some beers.
the buzz i do hear recently has mostly been about the PSP or the DS , mainly arguments over "nostaliga about the old game & whatch " vs a Playstation you can carry around.
People do not buy a console based on what ever else it can do , they buy it for the games
when they get a chance to play some "wicked cool" game that they can later thrash their freinds at.
If chewbacca was on E star wars would have been rather difrent
::: I love you vader man your my father too :: No man seriously i love you your like my brother and luke is like our son dude i love you lets dance :*chops off chewbaccas head* ::: dude Harsh man
Chewbacca : urgh rgh wuhh wuhh
Vader: Bring me skywalker
Chewbacca : urgh urgh wah wah urgh
Vader : i grow impatiant with you wookie
Chewbacca : urgh urghhhhh: no dude seriously lets hug and let the love flow man
Vader
Chewbacca: *last dealth gulp : ugrpp urpch wurf
hehe i didn't libve in the DDR but my inlaws did ,So i know the term .