No, that is exactly my point. People can't cry about what the RIAA is because it means tearing down all those other union type organizations. The ability to form groups and elect leaders to represent the groups interests is kinda central to the whole system here in the US. You can't bitch about the RIAA, they are doing what they think they have to do to protect their members rights. Now, I think everyone here agrees they are a bunch of dirty, greedy, litigious morons that should be kicked to the curb for being such fucking morons when it comes to business sense, but hey, that isn't the point now is it. The is the artists have signed over their lives to give fuel to this crap. Fuck the artists, fuck supporting them, fuck paying them directly through merch and concerts. Those fuckers were the ones that ultimately caused this with their own get rich quick desires. And yet now they will stand by and watch and do NOTHING to help the people being fucked. Do you think there is going to be any artist that comes out and ponies up $222,000 in cash to help this woman? Yet people here go on about how those poor artists are so abused, and how we should help them. You are right, we should help them right up onto their damned crosses so we can give them a proper send off as the little glory whore martyrs they are.
I will be impressed when some artists actually do leave...until then...fuck them.
Hence the suite was "Capitol vs" not "RIAA vs". What is scaring the people is getting slapped with $220,000 fines. This complaint is like saying Unions can't represent workers because the Union doesn't have the individual workers rights assigned to them. And uhm...the musicians are nothing more than cattle producing milk for the farmer, they have no rights and need no representation. They signed over their rights to the recording studio, and the studios got together and formed the RIAA to collectively defend their "rights". You wanna fix the problem, don't go after the RIAA, don't go after the labels, don't even go tell people to stop buying. Tell the greed driven artists to quit signing away their rights to these scumbag organizations.
This help the artist crap that keeps coming up blows my mind. They armed the studios, the studios attacked the people, and now the people want to defend the artists that armed the organization that is attacking them? Fuck the artists, if they want support they need to walk away.
Very good point, very well said. I wish I had mod points for you today. I love how some stupid slashdot pundit can comment how a room full of PhDs and such "don't understand" a disease but they do. Arrogance of an unfathomable level. I would pay so much to see any of the clowns in this thread stand in that room and tell these guys "they don't get it".
I also commend you on your determination to overcome it. However, I can't comment on your intelligence too much as you joined the wrong branch. By the way "Hooah" is HUA and it belongs to us.:P
So...when they strip all of what they claim as personally identifiable information out and sell it to insurance companies then what? The insurance company goes through their database of customer claims, match it up to the records, and in one quick motion have your entire medical history. Woo lookin forward to that day.
Well..I'm just gunna go out on a limb here and guess that the consequences of the hole getting bigger are many orders of magnitude worse than the consequences of the hole getting smaller. But hey, that's just my guess.
Someone seriously needs to kill you for those. And I don't mean kill you in a quick and pleasant way. I mean a horrible painful death that lasts as long as possible.
You also ignored the obvious problem that it needs a Captain and not a Kernel.
I don't see why this is such a discovery. Dinosaur in Utah...pft... I mean we already have a live one in captivity here. I mean who cares about stupid bones...we even know what awful noises it is capable of making.
The funny thing is when I explain half of these things to people they just proudly assert "I can do that with Windows" explaining that they just have to do illegal things. I for one am thrilled that WGA and the draconian crap is getting tighter. People will start to see the noose around their neck.
My only encounter with WGA was watching illegal copies not get flagged or otherwise harassed while my wife's legitimate copy on her Dell flagged and MS explained that we would have to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch to fix it. Thankfully people with a clue actually had nice instructions on what files and registry keys the monstrosity mucked with and I was able to rip it back out.
The most obvious is that they wouldn't have to intercept anything because your vote is tied to a personally identifiable SIM card. This would be the same as having to scan your ID to vote.
Why are atheists so concerned with disproving God if they don't believe God exists and why is it always so focused on the Christian version of God? In my experience the only two groups to ever really get up in arms about exists/not exists are fundies and atheists. Both are typically equally offensive in explaining why you are so stupid to believe/not believe their story. Additionally, both seem to have a very hard time picking up humor when they feel challenged. I think it is disturbing that you relate procreation to programming concepts and further disturbed by your detailed defense of what was supposed to be a humorous remark by including the fork() concept as it relates to programming.
My point was that God is not a scientific concept nor is it at odds in any fashion with science and falls completely outside the scope of scientific proof, theory, whatnot.
Most of which are graduates from law school. Coincidence? The farther away from the law field a politician is the more likely they seem to not be asshats. Ron Paul is a doctor.
Ok...so no RIAA music...indie only on vinyl. But ok to shop at Amazon? What the hell am I supposed to buy if I can't buy RIAA music and I can only buy indie on vinyl?!
I imagine the guys who manufacture medical equipment get better deals than going to Frys. I would imagine that the company building the lab equipment would be able to get the same price on components as the company building CDroms. If your business model is "instead of buying components we will go to a retail outlet and strip things for parts" you are going to fail miserably. I am talking about two companies here, not a company that makes CDroms and a guy that builds lab equipment in his garage.
Your point is entirely valid so long as you aren't talking about two companies. Make one side an individual and you are right. Again, I don't think any hospital in their right mind would ever buy lab equipment out of someones garage, they are going to go to a large vendor.
Are we still supposed to loathe Amazon for their patent nonsense with crap like the 1-click issue? I mean...I thought we weren't supposed to buy from them and support evil patent trolls. But now, we are supposed to buy from them to show support for non DRM music stores. But we aren't supposed to buy from Apple anyways because of their iPhone shenanagins. But we are supposed to love Apple because its trendy. I am so confused. Will someone please deconflict the groupthink so I know if I'm allowed to buy non-DRM (good) music from Amazon (bad) instead of DRM music (bad) from Apple (both) or if I am supposed to loathe all of the RIAA music and not buy DRM or non-DRM music from any source if it is RIAA owned. What about indie music with DRM? Where does that fit in? God, someone please help... All I know for sure is the MS music store is 100% evil and the Zune will eat your soul.
Yeah...you buy your lab equipment for your hospital where people make life and death decisions from the guy that built the stuff by harvesting parts in his garage:P Honestly I imagine buying those drives for parts is probably more expensive than paying for the components they actually need out of those drives fresh and not having to convert things. If you are going to rebuild an engine do you buy a new car to get the gaskets you need?
That said I am sure your reasons are no small factor, but if every home was going to purchase one of these things they would not cost as much as they do. Supply and demand are what affects price, not cost of manufacturing. Cost of manufacturing affects the supply. Microeconomics stuff.
All lawyers bill for many many other things outside the courtroom. To include drawing up the papers based on the agreement in the courtroom and then billing your ass when you have to send it back 5 times for corrections. The only tilt involved is towards the person with the least funds settling out of court, the other end is the person with the most funds dragging it out until the person with the least funds cannot afford a lawyer and must show up in court alone or settle with bad terms.
I would rather have my first case drawn out rather than having two golfing buddy lawyers draw up crap full of stupid exceptions and vague wordings that is just going to keep the parties fighting.
When you have spent thousands of dollars trying to settle something and it goes to court and the lawyers are chatting about going golfing you tell me how comfortable you are with having your interests represented.
The answer is simple. Demand. Lets assume the size of the mfg plants, number of employees, and so on are the same for 2 companies, one making the lab equipment one making generic CD drives. I think it is safe to assume that the lab machine is going to be more expensive on materials alone, but not by the amount in the price difference between a generic CD drive and it.
How many generic CD drives do you think the company can expect to sell vs lab machines. You can find at least 1 if not multiple generic CD drives in a given home, office, etc. You are likely to only find the lab machines in hospitals, and probably only a few if more than 1. If the generic CD drive company expected to sell as many drives as the lab company sells machines the price would be astronomical too.
Ever wonder why lawyers write the laws? And no this isn't about some vast conspiracy by the megacorps to make people hate lawyers. A lawyer acting in your best interests involves you not being in court anymore and protected in the future, which is entirely counter to their best interests of being in court and continuing to bill someone. The common man can do nothing until the laws are written by common men, common men cannot write the laws so long as people attempt to exploit them. The folk clever in manipulating the law for exploiting are lawyers, so you must hire another lawyer to defend yourself against that, and the cycle continues forevermore. The underlying desire of men to exploit eachother lead to the creation and continuation of lawyers. The best you can do is get a lawyer from out of town so that the opposition's lawyer isn't his golfing buddy and he might actually do a decent job of representing you.
No, security professionals do the stuff at home. White hats is just another silly term to justify other colored hat hackers and try to legitimize silly buzzwords. But that is a terminology issue not so much the real issue at hand
A great number of devices run from PCs and are connected to the net. That is how the MRI, CT scanner, ultrasound, x-ray machines, etc, etc, send images and information from one place to another be it on site or off site specialists. Disrupting the monitor would kill someone when the monitor doesn't set off the alarms that their heart stopped and the nurse on station thinks the patient is still sleeping. I only chose that because I really don't know enough on the medical end of things to describe how the other devices could harm or kill you. Though it does bother me when they take X-rays (dental in particular) they point the damned thing at your head, say its safe, put a lead sheild on you, and then leave the room to trigger the device. Now as far as Windows, some of the systems do run windows, some run varients of other OSs, but to pretend Windows is the only OS with vulnerabilities is a bit obsurd. While the using Windows is manslaughter is humorous to me as well, the reality is due to their monopoly most things run are Windows driven.
I think the whole white/black hat concept is dumb. Criminal, not criminal. The whole hat nonsense tries to sugar coat the fact that they are criminals. Look if I own the systems I can code and exploit till the cows come home and there is nothing illegal or unethical about it. Even worm/virus for vigilante reasons should land your ass in a dark cell somewhere. Congratulations your vigilante worm has attempted to patch a computer monitoring a group of heart monitors in the hospital...too bad the exploit didn't execute cleanly...or maybe that patch hasn't been tested with that software...the system fails...patients code...no one knows because the monitors aren't working right...people die. As far as I'm concerned not only should you be charged with the various computer crimes, you should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
People just don't seem to get that computers aren't just for typing on. They run important systems, and then try to justify their bullshit with "its the companies fault the computers weren't secure" Yeah and its the victims fault they weren't wearing a bullet proof vest when they got shot by some dumbass kid right? The systems aren't yours, stay the fuck off them if you don't want to wind up in a dark cell with bubba probing your holes. You want to build a bunch of systems to exploit in your basement, your lab, whatever, knock yourself out, nothing wrong with it.
You don't need to know how to commit a robbery to protect yourself from being robbed. The same goes in computers. The people who tell you otherwise are either trying to sell you something or think they are leet haxors themselves. Marcus Ranum has some really good papers on the subject.
Oh no...you misunderstand. By all means...ask him how to better defend yourself from whatever crime while he sits behind bars. You just don't reward him for the behavior that got him there by giving him a high paying job doing that. There is a distinct difference. So long as you want to use the serial killer bit, Hannibal Lector (albeit a fictional character) was rewarded, escaped, and continued to commit crimes.
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No, that is exactly my point. People can't cry about what the RIAA is because it means tearing down all those other union type organizations. The ability to form groups and elect leaders to represent the groups interests is kinda central to the whole system here in the US. You can't bitch about the RIAA, they are doing what they think they have to do to protect their members rights. Now, I think everyone here agrees they are a bunch of dirty, greedy, litigious morons that should be kicked to the curb for being such fucking morons when it comes to business sense, but hey, that isn't the point now is it. The is the artists have signed over their lives to give fuel to this crap. Fuck the artists, fuck supporting them, fuck paying them directly through merch and concerts. Those fuckers were the ones that ultimately caused this with their own get rich quick desires. And yet now they will stand by and watch and do NOTHING to help the people being fucked. Do you think there is going to be any artist that comes out and ponies up $222,000 in cash to help this woman? Yet people here go on about how those poor artists are so abused, and how we should help them. You are right, we should help them right up onto their damned crosses so we can give them a proper send off as the little glory whore martyrs they are.
I will be impressed when some artists actually do leave...until then...fuck them.
Hence the suite was "Capitol vs" not "RIAA vs". What is scaring the people is getting slapped with $220,000 fines. This complaint is like saying Unions can't represent workers because the Union doesn't have the individual workers rights assigned to them. And uhm...the musicians are nothing more than cattle producing milk for the farmer, they have no rights and need no representation. They signed over their rights to the recording studio, and the studios got together and formed the RIAA to collectively defend their "rights". You wanna fix the problem, don't go after the RIAA, don't go after the labels, don't even go tell people to stop buying. Tell the greed driven artists to quit signing away their rights to these scumbag organizations.
This help the artist crap that keeps coming up blows my mind. They armed the studios, the studios attacked the people, and now the people want to defend the artists that armed the organization that is attacking them? Fuck the artists, if they want support they need to walk away.
Very good point, very well said. I wish I had mod points for you today. I love how some stupid slashdot pundit can comment how a room full of PhDs and such "don't understand" a disease but they do. Arrogance of an unfathomable level. I would pay so much to see any of the clowns in this thread stand in that room and tell these guys "they don't get it".
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I also commend you on your determination to overcome it. However, I can't comment on your intelligence too much as you joined the wrong branch. By the way "Hooah" is HUA and it belongs to us.
Additionally, just because a politician shuts his hole doesn't mean things are getting any better.
So...when they strip all of what they claim as personally identifiable information out and sell it to insurance companies then what? The insurance company goes through their database of customer claims, match it up to the records, and in one quick motion have your entire medical history. Woo lookin forward to that day.
Well..I'm just gunna go out on a limb here and guess that the consequences of the hole getting bigger are many orders of magnitude worse than the consequences of the hole getting smaller. But hey, that's just my guess.
Someone seriously needs to kill you for those. And I don't mean kill you in a quick and pleasant way. I mean a horrible painful death that lasts as long as possible.
You also ignored the obvious problem that it needs a Captain and not a Kernel.
I don't see why this is such a discovery. Dinosaur in Utah...pft... I mean we already have a live one in captivity here. I mean who cares about stupid bones...we even know what awful noises it is capable of making.
The funny thing is when I explain half of these things to people they just proudly assert "I can do that with Windows" explaining that they just have to do illegal things. I for one am thrilled that WGA and the draconian crap is getting tighter. People will start to see the noose around their neck.
My only encounter with WGA was watching illegal copies not get flagged or otherwise harassed while my wife's legitimate copy on her Dell flagged and MS explained that we would have to wipe the drive and reinstall from scratch to fix it. Thankfully people with a clue actually had nice instructions on what files and registry keys the monstrosity mucked with and I was able to rip it back out.
So just show that it was THEIR behavior that damaged their reputation that you were talking about and you are off the hook?
The most obvious is that they wouldn't have to intercept anything because your vote is tied to a personally identifiable SIM card. This would be the same as having to scan your ID to vote.
Hillary is an "East Coast Liberal" You have a looooong uphill battle if you want to clear your names.
Why are atheists so concerned with disproving God if they don't believe God exists and why is it always so focused on the Christian version of God? In my experience the only two groups to ever really get up in arms about exists/not exists are fundies and atheists. Both are typically equally offensive in explaining why you are so stupid to believe/not believe their story. Additionally, both seem to have a very hard time picking up humor when they feel challenged. I think it is disturbing that you relate procreation to programming concepts and further disturbed by your detailed defense of what was supposed to be a humorous remark by including the fork() concept as it relates to programming.
My point was that God is not a scientific concept nor is it at odds in any fashion with science and falls completely outside the scope of scientific proof, theory, whatnot.
Most of which are graduates from law school. Coincidence? The farther away from the law field a politician is the more likely they seem to not be asshats. Ron Paul is a doctor.
Ok...so no RIAA music...indie only on vinyl. But ok to shop at Amazon? What the hell am I supposed to buy if I can't buy RIAA music and I can only buy indie on vinyl?!
I imagine the guys who manufacture medical equipment get better deals than going to Frys. I would imagine that the company building the lab equipment would be able to get the same price on components as the company building CDroms. If your business model is "instead of buying components we will go to a retail outlet and strip things for parts" you are going to fail miserably. I am talking about two companies here, not a company that makes CDroms and a guy that builds lab equipment in his garage.
Your point is entirely valid so long as you aren't talking about two companies. Make one side an individual and you are right. Again, I don't think any hospital in their right mind would ever buy lab equipment out of someones garage, they are going to go to a large vendor.
Are we still supposed to loathe Amazon for their patent nonsense with crap like the 1-click issue? I mean...I thought we weren't supposed to buy from them and support evil patent trolls. But now, we are supposed to buy from them to show support for non DRM music stores. But we aren't supposed to buy from Apple anyways because of their iPhone shenanagins. But we are supposed to love Apple because its trendy. I am so confused. Will someone please deconflict the groupthink so I know if I'm allowed to buy non-DRM (good) music from Amazon (bad) instead of DRM music (bad) from Apple (both) or if I am supposed to loathe all of the RIAA music and not buy DRM or non-DRM music from any source if it is RIAA owned. What about indie music with DRM? Where does that fit in? God, someone please help... All I know for sure is the MS music store is 100% evil and the Zune will eat your soul.
Yeah...you buy your lab equipment for your hospital where people make life and death decisions from the guy that built the stuff by harvesting parts in his garage :P Honestly I imagine buying those drives for parts is probably more expensive than paying for the components they actually need out of those drives fresh and not having to convert things. If you are going to rebuild an engine do you buy a new car to get the gaskets you need?
That said I am sure your reasons are no small factor, but if every home was going to purchase one of these things they would not cost as much as they do. Supply and demand are what affects price, not cost of manufacturing. Cost of manufacturing affects the supply. Microeconomics stuff.
All lawyers bill for many many other things outside the courtroom. To include drawing up the papers based on the agreement in the courtroom and then billing your ass when you have to send it back 5 times for corrections. The only tilt involved is towards the person with the least funds settling out of court, the other end is the person with the most funds dragging it out until the person with the least funds cannot afford a lawyer and must show up in court alone or settle with bad terms.
I would rather have my first case drawn out rather than having two golfing buddy lawyers draw up crap full of stupid exceptions and vague wordings that is just going to keep the parties fighting.
When you have spent thousands of dollars trying to settle something and it goes to court and the lawyers are chatting about going golfing you tell me how comfortable you are with having your interests represented.
The answer is simple. Demand. Lets assume the size of the mfg plants, number of employees, and so on are the same for 2 companies, one making the lab equipment one making generic CD drives. I think it is safe to assume that the lab machine is going to be more expensive on materials alone, but not by the amount in the price difference between a generic CD drive and it.
How many generic CD drives do you think the company can expect to sell vs lab machines. You can find at least 1 if not multiple generic CD drives in a given home, office, etc. You are likely to only find the lab machines in hospitals, and probably only a few if more than 1. If the generic CD drive company expected to sell as many drives as the lab company sells machines the price would be astronomical too.
Ever wonder why lawyers write the laws? And no this isn't about some vast conspiracy by the megacorps to make people hate lawyers. A lawyer acting in your best interests involves you not being in court anymore and protected in the future, which is entirely counter to their best interests of being in court and continuing to bill someone. The common man can do nothing until the laws are written by common men, common men cannot write the laws so long as people attempt to exploit them. The folk clever in manipulating the law for exploiting are lawyers, so you must hire another lawyer to defend yourself against that, and the cycle continues forevermore. The underlying desire of men to exploit eachother lead to the creation and continuation of lawyers. The best you can do is get a lawyer from out of town so that the opposition's lawyer isn't his golfing buddy and he might actually do a decent job of representing you.
What PR? Who is going to be left to complain?
No, security professionals do the stuff at home. White hats is just another silly term to justify other colored hat hackers and try to legitimize silly buzzwords. But that is a terminology issue not so much the real issue at hand
A great number of devices run from PCs and are connected to the net. That is how the MRI, CT scanner, ultrasound, x-ray machines, etc, etc, send images and information from one place to another be it on site or off site specialists. Disrupting the monitor would kill someone when the monitor doesn't set off the alarms that their heart stopped and the nurse on station thinks the patient is still sleeping. I only chose that because I really don't know enough on the medical end of things to describe how the other devices could harm or kill you. Though it does bother me when they take X-rays (dental in particular) they point the damned thing at your head, say its safe, put a lead sheild on you, and then leave the room to trigger the device. Now as far as Windows, some of the systems do run windows, some run varients of other OSs, but to pretend Windows is the only OS with vulnerabilities is a bit obsurd. While the using Windows is manslaughter is humorous to me as well, the reality is due to their monopoly most things run are Windows driven.
I think the whole white/black hat concept is dumb. Criminal, not criminal. The whole hat nonsense tries to sugar coat the fact that they are criminals. Look if I own the systems I can code and exploit till the cows come home and there is nothing illegal or unethical about it. Even worm/virus for vigilante reasons should land your ass in a dark cell somewhere. Congratulations your vigilante worm has attempted to patch a computer monitoring a group of heart monitors in the hospital...too bad the exploit didn't execute cleanly...or maybe that patch hasn't been tested with that software...the system fails...patients code...no one knows because the monitors aren't working right...people die. As far as I'm concerned not only should you be charged with the various computer crimes, you should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
People just don't seem to get that computers aren't just for typing on. They run important systems, and then try to justify their bullshit with "its the companies fault the computers weren't secure" Yeah and its the victims fault they weren't wearing a bullet proof vest when they got shot by some dumbass kid right? The systems aren't yours, stay the fuck off them if you don't want to wind up in a dark cell with bubba probing your holes. You want to build a bunch of systems to exploit in your basement, your lab, whatever, knock yourself out, nothing wrong with it.
You don't need to know how to commit a robbery to protect yourself from being robbed. The same goes in computers. The people who tell you otherwise are either trying to sell you something or think they are leet haxors themselves. Marcus Ranum has some really good papers on the subject.
Oh no...you misunderstand. By all means...ask him how to better defend yourself from whatever crime while he sits behind bars. You just don't reward him for the behavior that got him there by giving him a high paying job doing that. There is a distinct difference. So long as you want to use the serial killer bit, Hannibal Lector (albeit a fictional character) was rewarded, escaped, and continued to commit crimes.