I'm actually mildly impressed he hasn't quit already. All the flak he's taking, it must be soul crushing. Presidenting is hard, who woulda thunk?
But I feel mildly cheated by his use of hair dye/hair piece. whatever that thing ontop of his head is. All previous presidents, we got to watch them progressively grey as the job ground them down. I miss those days.
They can still have their little website. Heck, if you are so inclined to defend them, you can host the site for them.
You know the thought actually crossed my mind. But there's no way I'm sticking my production server into the crossfire here. I'm defending FREE SPEECH, not Nazis. And I'm also not stupid. My server has tasks to perform and it can't do that if it's getting DDOS'd or booted from my hosting provider. I'm not here to provide solutions, I'm here to tell you: This is wrong. You can't have optional free speech, it doesn't work like that. You have free speech, or you don't. Decide.
I dunno. How about this insight? Maybe our collective judgement dislikes fat people because, I dunno, maybe because anyone who disregards their own health and eats themselves in obesity looks really unhealthy, and mating with that decided unhealthy human is not in the best interest of the species? Evolution happening right before your eyes.
In other news, this is not news for Nerds and it definitely doesn't matter.
Oh boy, there's a lot to unpack here. See this is the problem, you somehow think because they're bigoted assholes no one approves of somehow gives you a permit to be a bigoted asshole no one approves of. You're completely missing the point. You're just feeding the beast with all your own hatred.
You can dislike something without hating it. Hate is something we should not encourage from ANYONE. It never leads to anything good. Ever.
Like I can for example look at these groups and laugh at their idiocy that will never have anything but a very small following. All that adapt and evolution shit you vomited all over the place? That stuff takes a long time. Be patient young padawan. Eventually these people die. There's less and less of them every year.
But suppress them? Shame them openly? Make them feel like second class citizens? WOW, you just became them. Congratulations!
Please stop using that word. I don't think you know what it means.
I was tortured in Auschwitz by real Nazis - ie. German SS soldiers. Nazis aren't 18 year old white males on your college campus you disagree with. Sorry, but that's true.
And if these 18 year old white males had you in a prison camp again, they would, again. Do you really need any more evidence of what they are other than their intentions?
Businesses have no responsibility to provide services to such a group and it isn't oppression or censorship to refuse them service, in fact it would be oppression and censorship to force them to support them.
This is exactly right. However, infrastructure business have a responsibility to uphold free speech. They have shown extremely poor judgement by caving to pressure to suppress. Sorry, that is not going to work. And in fact, if history is a lesson, trying to stamp this out in this fashion is insane. These kinds of groups just become more hateful, radical, violent and provocative. If they can't speak, then they will act.
Let them have their wretched little website to spew hatred at each other. At least then we know who and where they are. Society is playing with fire here, repeating past mistakes.
Let me make a sort of messy analogy. Just pretend for a minute highways and streets were privately owned. This would be the equivalent of saying these people can't drive on your streets, period. And not only that, they're not even allowed to have an address on a street. Does that really sound like something we want to say we did to someone else? And pretend it's somehow a "good thing"? Really?
The right to speak is protected, but access to technology isn't.
Where you see a boon, I see a problem. Everyone deserves a chance to speak. As I said, this is not optional. As soon as it is, we become that much more like North Korea. NOT OPTIONAL.
The test of free speech is when it's used to say something you dislike. Your response is the test. You can walk away or you can rally for suppression. The former sounds like the USA, the latter sounds like... Germany circa 1940 CE.
It takes greed. CloudFlare is a big business, and any moralizing should be assumed disingenuous until proven otherwise.
Are you really that stupid? CloudFlare is going out on a limb here protecting free speech. They're taking flak from the likes of people like YOU. People this very moment are going 'omg cloudflare supports nazis, pull all our stuff off their services.' Sorry, that doesn't sound like greed to me, sounds like.. civility. Something the likes of you is probably unfamiliar with.
One of the cases for Universal Basic Income is that the moral argument about minimum wage vanishes: with the minimum already taken care of, $1/hour for a job you enjoy might make perfect sense.
Can you imagine a society where everyone actually enjoys the work they do? They work because they want to, not because it's necessary for survival. Can you imagine how much better customer service is going to get?
All that right there is enough for me to say UBI already!
There isn't going to be automated machines who earn money and buy your products.
See this is your flaw. Automated machines will most definitely be earning money, for their owners. They will be much more efficient at making money than their human counterparts ever were. They'll never call in sick, hell, they don't even need to go home. They can work 24/7. They don't complain, they don't form unions. How could anyone *NOT* make money with these?
Second point: Actually, it is speculated that automation will have some job-creating effects. There will still be a need for people to maintain those bots. And buy replacement parts.
So yeah, automations will definitely be making money, and they'll definitely be employing their caretakers and buying replacement parts.
Shouldn't this be obvious? Make workers more expensive produces the expected result of companies seeking alternatives to expensive workers?
Well, I see a good thing of it.. get the race to automation into higher gear. Once that automation really starts to make a dent, we'll revisit the immense unemployment it's created.
That's all true, but freedom of speech is more than a government restriction. It's an idea. Eventually, if we keep saying that private society is right to censor we lose the benefits of that idea. A society where you are free to criticize the government or anyone else, but are censored by the gatekeepers of all forms of expression is worthless.
Sadly, you can't have it both ways. The gatekeepers are also entitled to free speech, and by that token, they are well within their right to deny anyone speech using their services. You are free to make your own soap box, however.
Don't read too much into that, I think suppression is a monumentally bad idea for everyone, but it is within their right.
I'll start by saying I'm not a fan of hate groups of any kind. That out of the way, let's talk free speech and hosting.
Roll your own sounds like a fantastic idea, cut out all the middle men and do it yourself so you can get your vomit filled garbage somewhere someone else has a chance to see it. Free speech right? Sure. It's cool to spew hatred and vomit onto the internet, if we kicked people off for that, there would be no one using the net anymore.
But there is a fly in the ointment here. The suppression of these sites is far beyond getting the boot from some CMS. They've been outright denied even domain registration (GoDaddy booted first, then Google said 'no you cant come here, go away.') That's some suppression right there. I know it's not a 'state entity' doing the suppression, but that doesn't change what is it.
This is where I get very worried and bothered. Yes, in this case, MOST OF US agree this kind of hate-speech is beyond offensive and we outright applaud it's suppression by various entities standing up for good taste. This bothers me, and it really has nothing, in my perspective, to do with what happened 'in reality,' with all the torches and people being run over by a freak in a car. That is outside the scope of my concern regarding this post. Suppression is not good folks. I don't care WHAT you're suppressing. It never works out good in the end when we cheer for suppression.
Today, we stand fairly united that this sort of vomit-filled hatred is pretty darn offensive, and we're applauding the suppression by non-governmnent entities 'taking a stand' against that garbage. Lots of warm and fuzzies to go around for everyone while we suppress an unpleasant viewpoint. Careful how you tread folks. Your speech might lose the favor of the populace and be targeted for total legit suppression. Just realize where your warm and fuzzies are coming from. You're suppressing a group. Groups tend to get stronger and more radical when they're suppressed. Just ask any terrorism victim how that suppression thing is working out.
Remember our elementary education: Two wrongs does not make a right.
the company refused to explicitly say it will continue to do business with sites like The Daily Stormer, but pointed out that the content would exist regardless of what Cloudflare does or doesn't do.
While I and probably most of us find the content disgusting and repulsive, I for one am glad Cloudflare is standing up for free speech even they disagree with. This takes real balls. And it's a good thing. Free speech isn't optional. Only listening is optional.
Ugh, what a shill that Ajit Pai is. Really? This is your solution to poor adoption of broadband wired internet connections? Push everyone onto mobile broadband with nasty data caps, throttling and overage charges?
Really? Could you at least sort of even try to appear to not be a total Verizon shill? Wow.
Well, Trump did say he'd Make America Great Again. He just didn't tell us which parts of America. All he's done in my book is Make America Groan Again. And again. And again. And again.
and that last year YouTube paid the music industry $1 billion. (Though the music industry insists that amount is still below what they're receiving from streaming music services.)
Holy... you could give these people the contents of Fort Knox and they'd complain they'd rather have greenbacks. Just wow.
I generally treat any smartphone as a very insecure device. They transmit gods knows what to god knows whom, on a regular basis. Pretty much every App is phoning home regularly. Obviously it's transmitting "Personally Identifiable Information", it kinda needs to so it can tell you from a stranger sitting next to you.
With that in mind, use it accordingly. You really can't expect privacy out of these things, should anyone really want to dig about what you do. Like Law Enforcement. Smartphones are a treasure-trove of evidence for LE.
I would even considering going as far as to treat these devices as 'foreign' on network infrastructure, walling it off from internal resources that may be less than secure because they're on an intranet, and inaccessible from the outside.
Real people often prefer ease of use and a multitude of features to perfect, unbreakable security... Who uses WhatsApp because it is end-to-end encrypted, rather than because it is an incredibly user-friendly and cheap way of staying in touch with friends and family? Companies are constantly making trade-offs between security and 'usability,' and it is here where our experts believe opportunities may lie.
This statement is so full of darkness it makes me sick. Inferring that certain people on this planet, whom biologically are definitely people, but they're not people. This is a total error and very disturbing to classify -any- group of people as 'not real.' Or less than people. Regardless of justifications, this is just disturbing.
As much as I dislike invoking Godwin's law, but this just smacks of something you'd hear a NAZI say. Disgusting.
Encryption isn't even a word I saw or gave any thought to. The classification of any group as 'not real people' just turns my stomach and flies in the face of rationality and civility. This person classifying a group of people as 'not real people' based on their preference for security is just appalling.
Sickening. This kind of thinking has no place in our world. Or it shouldn't. That it does, and doesn't spark a chorus of outrage is disturbing in itself.
Stop trying to fool the plebs that this is anything but a speed bump. Or perhaps you don't realize this yourself.
Not so sure that is true. Look at the examples of breeches in security we read about from time to time, including breeches in darknet security, and other illicit sites.
All of these breeches were achieved by social engineering, or someone making an oops, and LE swoops in. In some cases, we're seeing LE operate the illicit sites themselves to harvest data.
This is the important clue. They seem to need to get on the inside somehow, to get any data. This tells me, they're either incapable of breaching security through brute force, or they're not showing that they can.
Considering how underhanded LE will get, they will get very close to the line in many cases, I highly doubt if they could break encryption as easily as you and others seem to think they can, they would, regularly, and overtly to catch bad guys. They've already shown they will go to extraordinary lengths without breaking encryption.
While the paranoia might be warranted, I'm not entirely sure the situation is completely useless. There's safety in deployments, as I said before, more adoption of secure connections, unless this is just totally trivial to break, then more is better, even where it's not needed. If it's trivial for them to break, we may as well go back to plain text, is that your message here?
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"You get impeach me, I quit."
I'm actually mildly impressed he hasn't quit already. All the flak he's taking, it must be soul crushing. Presidenting is hard, who woulda thunk?
But I feel mildly cheated by his use of hair dye/hair piece. whatever that thing ontop of his head is. All previous presidents, we got to watch them progressively grey as the job ground them down. I miss those days.
They can still have their little website. Heck, if you are so inclined to defend them, you can host the site for them.
You know the thought actually crossed my mind. But there's no way I'm sticking my production server into the crossfire here. I'm defending FREE SPEECH, not Nazis. And I'm also not stupid. My server has tasks to perform and it can't do that if it's getting DDOS'd or booted from my hosting provider. I'm not here to provide solutions, I'm here to tell you: This is wrong. You can't have optional free speech, it doesn't work like that. You have free speech, or you don't. Decide.
I dunno. How about this insight? Maybe our collective judgement dislikes fat people because, I dunno, maybe because anyone who disregards their own health and eats themselves in obesity looks really unhealthy, and mating with that decided unhealthy human is not in the best interest of the species? Evolution happening right before your eyes.
In other news, this is not news for Nerds and it definitely doesn't matter.
Oh boy, there's a lot to unpack here. See this is the problem, you somehow think because they're bigoted assholes no one approves of somehow gives you a permit to be a bigoted asshole no one approves of. You're completely missing the point. You're just feeding the beast with all your own hatred.
You can dislike something without hating it. Hate is something we should not encourage from ANYONE. It never leads to anything good. Ever.
Like I can for example look at these groups and laugh at their idiocy that will never have anything but a very small following. All that adapt and evolution shit you vomited all over the place? That stuff takes a long time. Be patient young padawan. Eventually these people die. There's less and less of them every year.
But suppress them? Shame them openly? Make them feel like second class citizens? WOW, you just became them. Congratulations!
Please stop using that word. I don't think you know what it means.
I was tortured in Auschwitz by real Nazis - ie. German SS soldiers. Nazis aren't 18 year old white males on your college campus you disagree with. Sorry, but that's true.
And if these 18 year old white males had you in a prison camp again, they would, again. Do you really need any more evidence of what they are other than their intentions?
Businesses have no responsibility to provide services to such a group and it isn't oppression or censorship to refuse them service, in fact it would be oppression and censorship to force them to support them.
This is exactly right. However, infrastructure business have a responsibility to uphold free speech. They have shown extremely poor judgement by caving to pressure to suppress. Sorry, that is not going to work. And in fact, if history is a lesson, trying to stamp this out in this fashion is insane. These kinds of groups just become more hateful, radical, violent and provocative. If they can't speak, then they will act.
Let them have their wretched little website to spew hatred at each other. At least then we know who and where they are. Society is playing with fire here, repeating past mistakes.
Let me make a sort of messy analogy. Just pretend for a minute highways and streets were privately owned. This would be the equivalent of saying these people can't drive on your streets, period. And not only that, they're not even allowed to have an address on a street. Does that really sound like something we want to say we did to someone else? And pretend it's somehow a "good thing"? Really?
The right to speak is protected, but access to technology isn't.
Where you see a boon, I see a problem. Everyone deserves a chance to speak. As I said, this is not optional. As soon as it is, we become that much more like North Korea. NOT OPTIONAL.
The test of free speech is when it's used to say something you dislike. Your response is the test. You can walk away or you can rally for suppression. The former sounds like the USA, the latter sounds like... Germany circa 1940 CE.
It takes greed. CloudFlare is a big business, and any moralizing should be assumed disingenuous until proven otherwise.
Are you really that stupid? CloudFlare is going out on a limb here protecting free speech. They're taking flak from the likes of people like YOU. People this very moment are going 'omg cloudflare supports nazis, pull all our stuff off their services.' Sorry, that doesn't sound like greed to me, sounds like.. civility. Something the likes of you is probably unfamiliar with.
One of the cases for Universal Basic Income is that the moral argument about minimum wage vanishes: with the minimum already taken care of, $1/hour for a job you enjoy might make perfect sense.
Can you imagine a society where everyone actually enjoys the work they do? They work because they want to, not because it's necessary for survival. Can you imagine how much better customer service is going to get?
All that right there is enough for me to say UBI already!
There isn't going to be automated machines who earn money and buy your products.
See this is your flaw. Automated machines will most definitely be earning money, for their owners. They will be much more efficient at making money than their human counterparts ever were. They'll never call in sick, hell, they don't even need to go home. They can work 24/7. They don't complain, they don't form unions. How could anyone *NOT* make money with these?
Second point: Actually, it is speculated that automation will have some job-creating effects. There will still be a need for people to maintain those bots. And buy replacement parts.
So yeah, automations will definitely be making money, and they'll definitely be employing their caretakers and buying replacement parts.
Shouldn't this be obvious? Make workers more expensive produces the expected result of companies seeking alternatives to expensive workers?
Well, I see a good thing of it.. get the race to automation into higher gear. Once that automation really starts to make a dent, we'll revisit the immense unemployment it's created.
That's all true, but freedom of speech is more than a government restriction. It's an idea. Eventually, if we keep saying that private society is right to censor we lose the benefits of that idea. A society where you are free to criticize the government or anyone else, but are censored by the gatekeepers of all forms of expression is worthless.
Sadly, you can't have it both ways. The gatekeepers are also entitled to free speech, and by that token, they are well within their right to deny anyone speech using their services. You are free to make your own soap box, however.
Don't read too much into that, I think suppression is a monumentally bad idea for everyone, but it is within their right.
I'll start by saying I'm not a fan of hate groups of any kind. That out of the way, let's talk free speech and hosting.
Roll your own sounds like a fantastic idea, cut out all the middle men and do it yourself so you can get your vomit filled garbage somewhere someone else has a chance to see it. Free speech right? Sure. It's cool to spew hatred and vomit onto the internet, if we kicked people off for that, there would be no one using the net anymore.
But there is a fly in the ointment here. The suppression of these sites is far beyond getting the boot from some CMS. They've been outright denied even domain registration (GoDaddy booted first, then Google said 'no you cant come here, go away.') That's some suppression right there. I know it's not a 'state entity' doing the suppression, but that doesn't change what is it.
This is where I get very worried and bothered. Yes, in this case, MOST OF US agree this kind of hate-speech is beyond offensive and we outright applaud it's suppression by various entities standing up for good taste. This bothers me, and it really has nothing, in my perspective, to do with what happened 'in reality,' with all the torches and people being run over by a freak in a car. That is outside the scope of my concern regarding this post. Suppression is not good folks. I don't care WHAT you're suppressing. It never works out good in the end when we cheer for suppression.
Today, we stand fairly united that this sort of vomit-filled hatred is pretty darn offensive, and we're applauding the suppression by non-governmnent entities 'taking a stand' against that garbage. Lots of warm and fuzzies to go around for everyone while we suppress an unpleasant viewpoint. Careful how you tread folks. Your speech might lose the favor of the populace and be targeted for total legit suppression. Just realize where your warm and fuzzies are coming from. You're suppressing a group. Groups tend to get stronger and more radical when they're suppressed. Just ask any terrorism victim how that suppression thing is working out.
Remember our elementary education: Two wrongs does not make a right.
the company refused to explicitly say it will continue to do business with sites like The Daily Stormer, but pointed out that the content would exist regardless of what Cloudflare does or doesn't do.
While I and probably most of us find the content disgusting and repulsive, I for one am glad Cloudflare is standing up for free speech even they disagree with. This takes real balls. And it's a good thing. Free speech isn't optional. Only listening is optional.
..that you can't fix stupid.
Ugh, what a shill that Ajit Pai is. Really? This is your solution to poor adoption of broadband wired internet connections? Push everyone onto mobile broadband with nasty data caps, throttling and overage charges?
Really? Could you at least sort of even try to appear to not be a total Verizon shill? Wow.
Well, Trump did say he'd Make America Great Again. He just didn't tell us which parts of America. All he's done in my book is Make America Groan Again. And again. And again. And again.
Let applications decide what needs security, as it always was.
The principal of a tool doing one job the best it can is still a good paradigm.
Internet transit providers should only worry about about providing transit.
and that last year YouTube paid the music industry $1 billion. (Though the music industry insists that amount is still below what they're receiving from streaming music services.)
Holy... you could give these people the contents of Fort Knox and they'd complain they'd rather have greenbacks. Just wow.
I generally treat any smartphone as a very insecure device. They transmit gods knows what to god knows whom, on a regular basis. Pretty much every App is phoning home regularly. Obviously it's transmitting "Personally Identifiable Information", it kinda needs to so it can tell you from a stranger sitting next to you.
With that in mind, use it accordingly. You really can't expect privacy out of these things, should anyone really want to dig about what you do. Like Law Enforcement. Smartphones are a treasure-trove of evidence for LE.
I would even considering going as far as to treat these devices as 'foreign' on network infrastructure, walling it off from internal resources that may be less than secure because they're on an intranet, and inaccessible from the outside.
...For everything wrong with MMO's these days. This guy is it. Good job, you and your kind have ruined most MMO's for everyone to make a buck.
The really sad part is they are destroying the very thing they're making money off.
No one likes to play an MMO that obviously been hacked numerous times and that game's internal economy has been completely wrecked by this behavior.
Real people often prefer ease of use and a multitude of features to perfect, unbreakable security ... Who uses WhatsApp because it is end-to-end encrypted, rather than because it is an incredibly user-friendly and cheap way of staying in touch with friends and family? Companies are constantly making trade-offs between security and 'usability,' and it is here where our experts believe opportunities may lie.
This statement is so full of darkness it makes me sick. Inferring that certain people on this planet, whom biologically are definitely people, but they're not people. This is a total error and very disturbing to classify -any- group of people as 'not real.' Or less than people. Regardless of justifications, this is just disturbing.
As much as I dislike invoking Godwin's law, but this just smacks of something you'd hear a NAZI say. Disgusting.
Encryption isn't even a word I saw or gave any thought to. The classification of any group as 'not real people' just turns my stomach and flies in the face of rationality and civility. This person classifying a group of people as 'not real people' based on their preference for security is just appalling.
Sickening. This kind of thinking has no place in our world. Or it shouldn't. That it does, and doesn't spark a chorus of outrage is disturbing in itself.
upon which one cannot rely
Really? It says they weren't able to get into the encrypted phones. Only the unencrypted ones with a simple lock screen.
So what happens when you're fired, quit, retire, or otherwise leave this company's employment? Surgery to remove the implant? Who pays for that?
What am I supposed to use for screenshots on base installs?
Your phone, of course.
Stop trying to fool the plebs that this is anything but a speed bump. Or perhaps you don't realize this yourself.
Not so sure that is true. Look at the examples of breeches in security we read about from time to time, including breeches in darknet security, and other illicit sites.
All of these breeches were achieved by social engineering, or someone making an oops, and LE swoops in. In some cases, we're seeing LE operate the illicit sites themselves to harvest data.
This is the important clue. They seem to need to get on the inside somehow, to get any data. This tells me, they're either incapable of breaching security through brute force, or they're not showing that they can.
Considering how underhanded LE will get, they will get very close to the line in many cases, I highly doubt if they could break encryption as easily as you and others seem to think they can, they would, regularly, and overtly to catch bad guys. They've already shown they will go to extraordinary lengths without breaking encryption.
While the paranoia might be warranted, I'm not entirely sure the situation is completely useless. There's safety in deployments, as I said before, more adoption of secure connections, unless this is just totally trivial to break, then more is better, even where it's not needed. If it's trivial for them to break, we may as well go back to plain text, is that your message here?